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I see that you haven't done a lot of editing over the years, so a warm welcome seems appropriate at last. It's very gratifying to see you working on the Bangladesh upazila articles, which could use all the help they can get! I look forward to seeing you around. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 16:03, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

SM Sultan

It was done automatically by the software, rather than being a change that I intentionally applied. Looking over what happened, though, I believe the problem was that you were using the <ref name=german><!-- Gloss by itself --></ref> format in the article body. That doesn't work as intended, unfortunately — a gloss can't be split off from the reference content in that manner so that it's standing alone as the only content nested inside a particular invocation of the ref tags, but rather has to be directly next to the actual content of the reference it's glossing.

So in this particular case, if the gloss is necessary for one particular invocation of the reference but not applicable to others, it might be necessary to create a separate ref=german2 citation for the content that needs to be specifically glossed as "supports solo", citing the specific page number in the source that "supports solo" instead of the entire page range of ref=german, so that the gloss can be left in the references list alongside the content of that particular citation.

Hope that helps a bit. Bearcat (talk) 15:30, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

SICPA submission

Hi Worldbruce. First let me thank you for taking the time to read and comment on my SICPA article. I am very aware of the conflict of interest issues and extremely keen not to fall foul of the rules. I'd just like to ask two favours from you.

The first is just a bit of clarification. You say that links to organisations that SICPA has a relationship with are not so good but I thought that close connections with organisations like the World Bank and Interpol - given the industry that SICPA is in - would be relevant. The problem is finding independnet references that aren't directly from those organisation's websites. Is it still best to simply remove this?

Secondly, would you be happy to review my next draft? And, if so, what is the best process to go about this?

Again, many thanks for your help. IainIainplunkett (talk) 09:31, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

@Iainplunkett: Wikipedia doesn't prohibit the use of non-independent sources like the press releases from the World Bank and Interpol, but the bulk of any article has to come from independent sources. To get the draft into article space it must clear the hurdles of notability and neutrality. Press releases don't help because they can't prove notability and don't present an unbiased view. In practice, they can hurt; one reference a reviewer doesn't like can sour their view and result in a declined submission. I would keep such sources only if they support unique information vital to an understanding of the range of the company's operations.

The best references are books or journal articles written by academics and published by academic presses, for example [1]. Next best are journalistic sources from reputable newspapers or magazines, such as [2]. The latter is not an in-depth source, but contains some choice nuggets, like "The ink for more than 80 percent of the world's currency, including the dollar, comes from Sicpa S.A."

Take your time improving the draft. When it's as good as you can make it, resubmit it using the blue button in the big pink box on the draft. Odds are another volunteer will review it. They may give you different feedback, which can be frustrating, but they may have different strengths than I do. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:59, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Dead link on the VidAmerica page

Hi. This link on VidAmerica is dead for some reason. Can you re-upload it please? 110.34.81.71 (talk) 17:32, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

I can't re-upload it, because I no longer have access to newspaperarchive.com. It may, as the error message says, be a temporary condition. If not, you could get an account with them so that you could clip the article yourself. Or you could do nothing. It's only a convenience link to a resource that is also available on paper. It doesn't matter if the link is dead, there's no requirement that the source be available online. --Worldbruce (talk) 01:43, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

So, can you re-upload it on Scribd.com pr something? 1.227.241.243 (talk) 21:51, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

No. As I said, I don't have access to newspaperarchive.com. Even if I did, uploading material copied from it would be a violation of copyright and of their terms of service. If you want access to newspaperarchive.com, get your own access. --Worldbruce (talk) 01:03, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Dhaka

Hello, again. Thought I'd continue this on your page. After further research, I was able to find some maps showing the defined municipal limits of the north and south Dhaka city corporations:

Map 1

Map 2

These probably don't include the recent incorporation of more land and suburbs into the city corporations, but they at least show the thanas and upazilas. I guess my final question is how the Dhaka Statistical Metropolitan Area (seen in the second map) is defined? Are the building blocks for this upazilas/thanas or something else? If it's upazilas/thans, exactly which ones outside the city corporation are included in this statistical metropolitan area? It seems that the Greater Dhaka page includes this Dhaka Metropolitan Area and then many, many other upazilas/thanas and municipal corporations. I know see that the term "Dhaka City" actually refers to the "Dhaka Statistical Metropolitan Area" as opposed to the incorporated city, which is how we'd define "city" here in the United States. I'd like us to nail down the area and most recent census population numbers for: Dhaka City Corporation (north and south) and Dhaka Statistical Metropolitan Area, and then on the city's page to be clear throughout the article what we're talking about when we mention "Dhaka" or "city." I might even look into "Greater Dhaka," but that doesn't seem to be an officially defined area, and we'd have to figure out which upazilas (and which parts when the it's only part of them) are included. For that, we'd have to delve down into a level even below upazilas, which I guess are union parishads.

Thanks! --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:54, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

A noble quest, Criticalthinker. I have more than a gigabyte of 2011 census data from the Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics. Give me a few days to poke through their reports and see what answers I can come up with. --Worldbruce (talk) 05:58, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for this. I have one additional question that I thought you might have the answer to. In the city and municipal corporations, are wards a subdivision of the upazilas/thanas whithin those corporations, or of the city corporations, themselves? I guess what I'm wondering is if, as optional divisions, if wards cross upazila/thana borders in cities, or if they are fully contained within their upazilas/thanas? This is just a personal curiosity, not much relating to my interest in redoing the civic administration on Dhaka's page, as I imagine it'd be hard enough to find a total list of thana/upazilas in Dhaka, let alone exactly how many wards it has. --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Wards follow city/municipal corporation boundaries, but don't always align with thana boundaries. I'm not aware of any that cross three thana borders, but plenty include portions of two thanas. In contrast, union parishads, the administrative unit below upazilas, are always wholly contained within their upazila. Dhaka's councillors are elected by ward, so when there are municipal elections someone knows exactly how many wards there are, what their boundaries are, what their populations are, who ran for election, and who won. They don't necessarily share the details though, or keep any information that is publicly accessible up to date. --Worldbruce (talk) 16:10, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. This is what I figured and wanted to be sure of, and it's pretty similar to most other countries. Wards are an electoral division of cities/municipalities as opposed to being in the system of administrative divisions. Since I got that out of the way, this gives me another question: When cities or municipalities want to expand into surrounding areas and they don't annex entire upazilas/thanas, are they required to annex entire union parishads/municipalities/cities (administrative divisions) or can they simply annex specific wards (electoral divisons) of those union parishads/municipalities/cities. To put it more simply, do you know of any cities/municipalities which have jurisdiction over only parts of territory adjacent union parishads or other cities/municipalities? --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

@Criticalthinker: I've never before had occasion to dig into these questions in depth. What I found upends some of my assumptions. Read on. --Worldbruce (talk) 22:02, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

2011 Census

The key source for Dhaka census data is: "Population & Housing Census 2011: National Report Volume-3: Urban Area Report" (PDF). Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics. It gives the following historical background:

The Dhaka Municipality was established in 1864 ... The municipal committee was reconstituted as paurashava in 1972 ... In 1983 it was replaced as Dhaka Municipal Corporation and finally in 1991 it got the status of a city corporation.

When the report refers to the city (usually as Dhaka City, but also Dhaka Metropotitan [sic] City or Dhaka Metropolitan Area) it means an area larger than that covered by Dhaka City Corporation (DCC). A third entity, Dhaka Mega City, larger than Dhaka City, is mentioned briefly.

Dhaka City

The report describes the city as follows:

[The city] consists of 42 thanas including Dhaka City Corporation with 92 wards, 2 restricted areas, and 837 mahallas and its adjoining 17 unions as other urban area. The thanas are Adabar, Badda, Bangshal, Bimanbandar, Cantonment, Chakbazar, Darusalam, Demra, Dakshin Khan, Dhanmondi, Gendaria, Ghulshan, Hazaribagh, Jatrabari, Kadamtali, Kafrul, Kalabagan, Kamrangir Char, Khilgaon, Khilkhet, Kotwali, Lalbagh, Mirpur, Mohammadpur, Motijheel, Newmarket, Palton, Pallabi, Ramna, Rampura, Sabujbagh, Shah Ali, Shahbagh, Sher-e-Bangla Nagar, Shyampur, Sutrapur, Tejgaon, Tejgaon Industrial area, Tongi, Uttara, Uttar Khan and Wari.

Their phrasing is difficult to parse without studying their tables, and I hope you can come up with a clearer explanation. Breaking it down, Dhaka City consists of the 42 listed thanas. Another way to put it is that Dhaka City consists of DCC plus 2 restricted areas and 17 union parishads. Those 17 unions are parts of 12 of the thanas, specifically the portions of those thanas that extend outside DCC. (Four of those unions are split among thanas, something I didn't know could happen).

		Union
		Badda	Beraid	Bhatara	Dakshingaon	Dakshinkhan	Demra	Dhania	Dumni	Harirampur	Manda	Matuail	Nasirabad	Saralia	Satarkul	Shyampur	Sultanganj	Uttar Khan
Thana	Badda	•	•	•											•
	Biman Bandar					part
	Dakshinkhan					part
	Demra						•					part		•
	Jatrabari							part				part
	Kadamtali							part				part				•
	Kamrangirchar																•
	Khilgaon				part								•
	Khilkhet					part			•
	Sabujbag				part						•
	Turag									•
	Uttarkhan																	•

The city is divided into 92 wards, but one doesn't need to know that to understand the census area and population. The number of mahallas is also a red herring.

According to the 2011 Bangladesh census, Dhaka City had an area of 315.98 sq km, and a population of 8,906,039. According to the 2001 census, it had an area of 1371 sq km, and a population of 9,672,763. There is a discussion, that I will leave to you to read, of how the census bureau abandoned the concept of Statistical Metropolitan Areas (SMAs) after the 2001 census and how that makes comparisons between the censuses difficult.

DCC

Historical population

Year	Pop. (000)	±%
1981	2,476	—
1991	3,613	+45.9%
2001	5,327	+47.4%
2011	6,970	+30.8%
2011 population excludes the restricted areas of Biman Bandar and Cantonment Source: Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics

According to the 2011 Bangladesh census, DCC had an area of 126.34 sq km, and a population of 6,970,105. The 2011 census excluded from DCC the two restricted areas, Biman Bandar and Cantonment, which previously had been included in the DCC line item. I believe this accounts for the decrease in the area of DCC from 153.84 sq km in 2001. The exclusion of the restricted areas also decreased population somewhat, but that was more than offset by population growth.

Dhaka Mega City

The report doesn't say much about Dhaka Mega City, but it is evident that they define it as Dhaka City plus five paruashavas (municipal corporations), and six upazilas. The paruashavas are: Gazipur, Tongi, Savar, Narayanganj, and Kadam Rasul. The upazilas are: Keraniganj, Bandar, Narayanganj Sadar, Gazipur Sadar, and Savar Upazila. According to the 2011 Bangladesh census, Dhaka Mega City had a population of 14,171,567.

Subsequent events

After the 2011 census, DCC was split into DNCC and DSCC.

In May 2016, DNCC was expanded from 82.63 sq km to 114.58 square kilometres (44.24 sq mi), and DSCC was expanded from 45 sq km to 64.17 square kilometres (24.78 sq mi).

Basic arithmetic is not original research, so we should be able to compute the population, as of 2011, of the area now within the bounds of DNCC and DSCC. This post is getting long, so I'll leave that for another day. --Worldbruce (talk) 22:02, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

References

Thanks. This is a lot to take in but it answer basically all of my questions. To sum everything up:

- Like in most places I've studied, municipal and administrative divisions are two different layers. As an example, we've learned that city/municipal/union councils can exist in multiple thanas/upazilas. These municipalities are overlaid atop the administrative divisions.

- Apparently, when Dhaka's two city corporations annex land from surrounding municipalities, they annex entire council areas and not just parts of the council areas.

- Dhaka City Corporation (now split between DNCC and DSCC) is what we'd call a "city proper" and this is what the page should be centered around as it relates to the population and area listed in the infobox and throughout. So, at the most recent census (2011) we had a city proper with a population of 6,970,105 at 127.63 sq km in size. While we won't have an official population until the next census (though, there are certainly estimates), what we do know is that the city proper with the addition of 16 union councils has now added an additional 178.75 sq km to the existing 127.63 square miles for a total area of 306.38 sq km.

- Dhaka "City" is a statistical area/definition that adds in close-by suburbs. To better differentiate it from the city proper, I'd most likely almost always refer to it by it's official name to avoid confusion: Dhaka Statistical Metropolitan Area. What I'm far less clear of is the whole 42 thanas thing, so it'd need to be specified which of these thanas are totally within the two city corporations, which whole thanas exist outside of the two city corporations, and then finally which parts (union councils) of the remaining thanas are included. I'm not sure if the 42 number is just the thanas in the city corporations or if the 42 number is whole thanas and parts of others.

Anyway, thanks, again. If you ever need me for any advice if you ever try to clarify the page, always feel free to ask. --Criticalthinker (talk) 12:37, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Actually, the more I think about this the more I want a list so we know which complete thanas/upazilas and which parts of others (the unions) make up the two municipal corporations. I want to be able to clearly define this. Also, do you happen to know the translation of the texts on this map in the map's key? Because that might help with this. --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:10, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry to bug you Worldbruce, but were you ever able to compile a list of all of the thanas completely under the jurisdiction of the two Dhaka city corporations, and then those union councils under the city coporations in the adjacent thanas/upazilas?

Hello? --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:22, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Criticalthinker. Your question is not forgotten. I was on the road, and consequently not editing, for a couple months earlier this year, and have never caught up from that. As near as I recall, all the necessary information is in the above references, it's just a matter of digging it out. Anyone can do that, you don't have to wait for me. I don't think the map on the Dhaka District page contains enough detail to be useful for your purpose. The legend reads, from top to bottom: District borders, Thana, Union, Thana headquarters, and District headquarters. What it calls thanas have, since 1984, been called upazilas, it doesn't show any subdivisions within the city, and it doesn't show all the unions. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:12, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

I only ask you, because I have tried researching this myself. You've layed out many of the problems I find: the maps don't show the thana/upazilas, or the ones that do don't show the unions. It becomes even more difficult given that I don't speak or read the language. Curiously, there seems to be many maps showing the wards, but those aren't administrative divisions of the state. We've nailed down that the two municipal corporations includes both thanas in their entirety (though, we still don't have a comprehensive list of even these), but also that they include only parts of thanas (unions), too, but nailing down which of those unions belong to the two city corporations has proven very difficult. --Criticalthinker (talk) 06:44, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

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Fareast International University

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Fareast International University

Hi Worldbruce, I'm from the information & publication wing of Fareast International University, Banani, Dhaka, Bangladesh. Thanks for your appreciation. Our Hon'ble Chairman, BoT, Mr. Sheikh Kabir Hossain do not want to display this information "It was founded by Sheikh Kabir Hossain, relative of Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina." It was inserted in Wiki by someone else not from FIU. So that's why it has been removed. Thanks again for your understanding. Mshm24 (talk) 09:37, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

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Please

Please update national Parliament of Bangladesh articles, election 2018

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Omission of reserved seats on Bangladesh general election articles

Hi Worldbruce,

A few days ago I amended the infobox and results table of 2018 Bangladeshi general election to include reserved seats for women. It appears that the reserved seats for women have been omitted on every Bangladeshi general election article. It would be very helpful if you used your expertise to assist in correcting this. I think it would be appropriate to have an election box similar to this one on the 2018 Pakistani elections which includes a space for reserved seats. There may also be merit in inquiring with the author of election map attached on the infobox of that page as it includes reserved seats which would better display the results of the Bangladeshi election.

Kind regards,–AMomen88 (talk) 00:47, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Request to review the article

I am expanding Mujib: The Making of a Nation article. But I can't understand if I should put 'this' to that section or not. Also maybe if can have a better idea about the expansion or clean up the article. So I will request you to check the article. Mehedi Abedin 16:06, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Official language of Bangladesh

Hello! Regarding the latest revision of Bangladesh (till I write this message), I am quite unsure whether to revert or to rearrange the language section of the infobox. English is also an official language along with Bengali in Bangladesh. Can you please have a look? Reagards — Meghmollar2017 (UTC) — 06:33, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@Meghmollar2017: The infobox should not include the phrase "and national language". Sminthopsis84 gave a good explanation of why at Talk:Bangladesh/Archive 6#"de facto national language".

The cited source (updated url: http://bdlaws.minlaw.gov.bd/act-367/section-24550.html) supports only one official language, Bengali. English is used to varying degrees within education, media, government and the judiciary in Bangladesh, and so has some of the characteristics of an official language. Here's how other encyclopedias deal with it:

• Banglapedia: "In 1972, Bangla became the official language of Bangladesh ... English is mainly a language of communication with the outside world ... The standard of English nationally in Bangladesh is not high, and English is still an urban, elite language."
• The Columbia Encyclopedia: "Bengali is the nation's official language, and English is used in urban centers."
• Countries of the World and Their Leaders Yearbook: "Bengali is the official language of Bangladesh, English is widely spoken and used in official and business circles."
• Encyclopedia Britannica: In summary: "Official Language: Bengali". In body: "Bengali is the mother tongue of almost the entire population of Bangladesh. However, the indigenous minority groups have their own languages ... English ... is spoken in urban centres and among educated groups."
• Political Handbook of the World: "Official Language: Bengali"
• World Press Encyclopedia: "The people are ethnically homogeneous, 98 percent of them speaking Bengali, which is the national language, mandatory in all government offices; English is understood by the elite and serves also as an official language."

Wikipedia shouldn't call English an official language because sources generally don't. The body of Bangladesh should say something like "English is a common second language among urban elites". Languages of Bangladesh can go into greater depth about the fields and contexts in which English is used, and how that has evolved over time. --Worldbruce (talk) 17:13, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

I see the edit is already reverted. Thanks a lot. :D — Meghmollar2017 (UTC) — 04:57, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Jaya Ahsan

On Jaya Ahsan, you reverted an edit of mine, in doing so adding an unsourced birth year. Based on your comments on the talkpage (which i interpreted as you saying that there is no sourced birth year), I'm guessing this was a simple mistake on your part (misread diff?), so I reverted, but figured it would be best to let you know anyway. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:07, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Advice

Hello Worldbruce, I have been approached by Md. Mashiur Rahman on my talk page to remove the plagiarism claim from the article. Given BLP consideration, I think it would be better to remove the claim. I am seeking your opinion on removing/keeping the claim. Any thoughts?Vinegarymass911 (talk) 18:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Vinegarymass911: Thanks for the question. I removed the contentious claim based on my reading of WP:EXCEPTIONAL and the note to WP:BLPPRIMARY. Biographies of living persons must be written conservatively. The article in The Daily Star is a reliable source, but if a contentious claim is verifiable and noteworthy, it will appear in *multiple* reliable sources, not just one. I couldn't find another source in English or Bengali that touches on the claim. Worldbruce (talk) 23:16, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Detective

Per a Google search, numerous directories label it as a 2019 film (e.g. [3], [4]). But also, the article doesn't feature nearly enough sourcing to establish the permanent notability of a film that's still unreleased seven years after its article was first created -- it takes a lot more than just four or five footnotes to bump a film from "film that has to clear WP:NFO by being released and reviewed by professional film critics" to "film that just has to clear WP:NFF on pre-release production coverage" -- so if the directories that label it as a 2019 film are wrong, and the film actually still hasn't been released as of 2022, then the article really should be listed for WP:AFD as not clearing our inclusion standards at all. Bearcat (talk) 13:20, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Review

Hi, i noticed a user created many small articles. I have doubts about their notability (as stand-alone article). Anyway, let's say they are notable. Even in that case, instead of creating 3 articles (Sangsadia Nirbachan 1991, Sangsadia Nirbachan 1996, Sangsadia Nirbachan 2001, there should be one article (e.g. Sangsadia Nirbachan Padak). Same with others also and IMO, most of them should be merge into Orders, decorations, and medals of Bangladesh. If you have time, please take a look. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 18:12, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Please give your opinion

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Stop the veiled bigotry

I distinctly explained my reasons for the reverts in Dhaka. Edits by multiple, longstanding editors are being removed en masse by a notoriously disruptive editor. You are doing nothing about it. Oh wait, you are not even an administrator. Yet you pretend to be one. Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 06:56, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Suggestion

I got the ping from your ani post. I just want to suggest that you strike "administrator" in your comment; I'm not an admin. Schazjmd (talk) 14:37, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Regarding vandalism on Helal Uddin Ahmed

Any explanation for me why are you constantly putting the "Controversy" section back? Are you working for any opposition party? Sartaj267 12:45, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Four years!

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Improving the page of SSMC

Hello! First of all, I want to thank you for developing Bangladesh related pages in Wikipedia.

Sir Salimullah Medical College is a prestigious medical school in Bangladesh. But unfortunately, the quality of the wiki page of this college is very poor. So I think the wiki page needs to be improved, and I couldn’t find anyone better than you for this task. I hope that you’ll find some time and reshape the page of SSMC, and make it a top-quality wikipedia page.

Thank you! Litton123 (talk) 18:14, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

@Litton123: The biggest challenge with making an article top-quality is finding enough good, independent, reliable sources. As a start, I've added a few to Talk:Sir Salimullah Medical College. What do you know about the college? Do you have a close connection to it that makes you want to see the article improved?

Several of the article's problems are tagged, so I will eventually clean it up. Not make it top notch, but at least make it follow Wikipedia's guidelines. Of the 18,000 or so articles in the scope of WikiProject Bangladesh, however, over 4,500 are tagged for cleanup, so I may not get to this particular topic anytime soon. --Worldbruce (talk) 20:54, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind response!

I don't know that much, I'm reading about the higher education institutions of Bangladesh, and found that this page is poorer in quality compared to others. (Like less history, less information etc.)

It's okay if you clean it up later, at least try to make it better than the present condition. Litton123 (talk) 05:19, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Regarding your contribution to theRfC in Talk: Bengalis

Could you please add your comment outside the RfC? I was looking at the case and I don't want to confuse the parties involved with who is actually doing the RfC Chefs-kiss (talk) 09:00, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

@Chefs-kiss: Sorry, I didn't realize third opinion was a form of WP:RFC, and didn't know what rules of formatting or etiquette apply. I certainly don't want anyone confused. Please feel free to refactor my talk page comment in any way that you feel improves clarity. And thanks for stepping in to provide a fresh perspective from a cool head. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:35, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

No worries. I actually had your same critiques but I wanted to get everyone's opinion! Chefs-kiss (talk) 15:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

I have to ammend my comment. It is not an RfC, but it is part of the consensus process of WP. Its mostly that WP: 3O has people take cases and then processing it themselves. I do appreciate your opinion though! Chefs-kiss (talk) 18:25, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Auld Lang Syne

Hey. I seem to be editing again, though I am a pale sliver of my former gryphon self. I hope again that you can forgive me for bailing out after trying to play rainmaker a couple of years ago. The gray weight on my soul at that time was disturbing my real life. Sorry. § Lingzhi (talk) 08:36, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Issue on the Bangladesh Army equipment list article

Sorry to bother you, but I think the Bangladesh army really does use the Pindad SS2 assault rifles. Take a look at this photo:[5], you can see a Bangladeshi soldier carrying a SS2 assault rifle (I used a translation tool, there is a possibility of translation errors). From the picture, it can be concluded that the Bangladesh army used the SS2 assault rifles. Abhiseka Nareswara (talk) 11:23, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@Abhiseka Nareswara: Photographs are primary sources. There are numerous difficulties with primary sources. Eric H. Larson, the editor of Camopedia, notes some of the problems:

In conducting research one must always apply careful principles of discrimination to verify that the particular caption or identifying text is accurate ... even military news agencies have been known to make mistakes, and one should always examine the details of a photograph to ensure they do not contradict the identification provided for it. In cases where the national or unit affiliation of combatants in a photograph cannot be verified, the photograph should not be relied upon as a piece of documentation simply based on inexpert hearsay.

... photographs taken of a unit on parade ... indicate only that this unit wore a particular style of camouflage on that specific day; they give no indication whether usage continued before or afterwards with any degree of consistency.[6]

SIPRI, which also uses primary sources, notes that, "Sources often provide only partial information, and substantial disagreement between them is common ... Exercising judgement and making informed cautious estimates are therefore important elements in compiling the SIPRI Arms Transfers Database. "

Wikipedians may use primary sources to make straightforward statements that don't require specialist knowledge, but are not allowed to do the sort of analysis, evaluation, interpretation, and synthesis that secondary sources like SIPRI do, because that would be original research, which is not allowed on Wikipedia.

Facebook is not a reliable publisher. The unverified Facebook account Defense Technology of Bangladesh is not a reliable author. You may be confident that their image depicts a Bangladesh Army soldier, carrying a Pindad SS2 assault rifle, on a recent day, but that's all interpretation of the photograph, and such original research is forbidden here. A better source – one that is reliable and secondary – must exist. If not, the information doesn't belong on Wikipedia.

• The BTR-70 is a good example of why photographs are often terrible sources. Below are two photos by the same photographer, purportedly of two models of APC taken about six weeks apart. It's really hard to tell them apart, isn't it? Even the crews look identical! Is the one on the left proof that BA currently has 55 BTR-70s in inventory? That's what the article claimed at one time, but no reliable source mentions the BTR-70 in connection with Bangladesh.

• 

  BTR-70 of Bangladesh Army

• 

  BTR-80 of Bangladesh Army

Does the Bangladesh Army use the Pindad SS2 assault rifle? Perhaps they do. I couldn't care less one way or another. My only concern is that the content of Wikipedia be verifiable. Given the absence of reliable secondary sources on the issue, one has to question whether it should matter to the encyclopedia what makes of rifles they use, any more than what brand of soap they use. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:33, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for taking a little time to reply my message. I still haven't found a reliable enough source. Abhiseka Nareswara (talk) 23:32, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Old draft Draft:Theoretical behaviorism

Pretty old but I just wanted to note that the editor is the person who devised the framework (not outing, he says he is and there were recent discussions about it. Doug Weller talk 16:26, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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@Worldbruce: Thanks a million! I won't upload to Commons, of course, but I'll keep the request open and contact a volunteer as you indicated. Thanks again! 〜 Festucalex • talk 17:19, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

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Vandalism in Dhaka article

Deserve this edit definitely strong punishment. Indian editor here [7] 2A0A:A546:C369:0:60:7315:79E5:AB61 (talk) 09:34, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Bangladesh genocide

Hello, Worldbruce,

I see you moved this article, could you move all of the archived Talk page to the correct page title? Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:41, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

There is also Gonohotta Memorial Day if you think it should be moved back, too. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:43, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

@Liz: Thanks for the heads up! From the message boxes the swap script displayed during the move, I thought all the subpages had been moved, but obviously not. I fixed the archived Talk pages manually. Vinegarymass911 moved the national day back to Bangladesh Genocide Remembrance Day.

It sets my antennae aquiver when a four day old account makes 160 edits on 100 pages (including redirects, creating disambiguation pages, page moves, templates, and initiating move requests). We'll see what develops. --Worldbruce (talk) 06:44, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

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@Worldbruce First of all I apologize for posting a message on your talk page. Because I have no choice without your help. I am currently in global lock due to creating multiple accounts.When I was new to Wikipedia I created multiple accounts without realizing it and unique. Later I was contributing to Bangla Wikipedia as per all policies. But my English Wikipedia account is blocked was I admitted all my early mistakes and asked them to give me a chance on my talk page. But I'm locked globally. Please give me a chance you hope no more mistakes I promise to work according to all principles

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Removing folk festivals from Bengali Muslims.

why would you remove those edits? Bengali Muslims undoubtedly does follow those festivals. what were you thinking? 2400:2412:44C1:7D00:1877:668F:A031:7060 (talk) 13:50, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Your editing is WP:DISRUPTIVE. Any edit you make without logging in so as to evading your block will be reverted. You can return to your original account and appeal your block, but the more you try to evade it the less likely it will ever be lifted. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:02, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Shumon 169 sock

Hi, it is regarding these edits by the IP sock of User:Shumon 169 here [8]. He keeps on bloating the sections. What should we do? Banrevert again? Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: I haven't studied their behaviour in depth. Even if I had, I probably wouldn't have the perfect answer. Doubtless it will be some combination of reverts, reporting the sock puppetry at WP:SPI, and requesting temporary increases in page protection at WP:RFPP. If you want more eyes on the problem, you could raise it at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics and/or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bangladesh. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:21, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

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Military doctrine of Bangladesh Armed Forces

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Wikipedia pages of armed forces of other countries have separate sections describing the military doctrine of those forces. But Bangladesh Armed Forces or Bangladesh Army's wikipedia page have no information about their military doctrine.

Military doctrine is an important part to understand a country’s military policy. So I would request you if you can, please create a section on military doctrine on Bangladesh Armed Forces' page. Or if you're busy, please request a Wikipedian who's an expert on military matters.

Thank you. Litton123 (talk) 05:22, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

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Have a look

Hi, it is regarding this addition. The Sierra-Leone thing crept up again. Have a look. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:02, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Any time that happens I just undo it with a link to the prior talk page discussions. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Have a look at these additions and changes. While unsourced, are these correct? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

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