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proportion (P1107)[edit]

What to add as qualifier instead of proportion (P1107) so it could be possible to describe percent of work with has characteristic (P1552)? has characteristic (P1552): 90% Eurohunter (talk) 10:44, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

proportion (P1107) does not want any unit, so for 90% I think you should use 0.9 — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:05, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you are trying to record, but the following seems to work:

⟨ subject ⟩ has characteristic (P1552) View with SQID ⟨ finished (Q83489981)  View with Reasonator View with SQID ⟩
proportion (P1107) View with SQID ⟨ 0.9 ⟩

— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:08, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MSGJ: I want to use percent (Q11229) unit. I want to add that software synthesizer (Q1897589) is 90% of instrument (P1303) so has characteristic (P1552) has circa (Q5727902). Eurohunter (talk) 14:37, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

equal-value constraint?[edit]

This request is forwarded from a Discord groupchat:

I want to put a constraint on Threads username (P11892) such that its value is identical to Instagram username (P2003).
(Justification and tutorial on how a threads account is bound to the instagram account are omitted)

I dived into the list of available constraints and concluded that such constraint does not exist yet. I have managed to come up with the following SPARQL query: 

SELECT ?item WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P2003 ?ig;
        wdt:P11892 ?threads.
  FILTER(?ig != ?threads).
}
Try it!

This query finds items that have both properties but don't have the same value. However, it disregards qualifiers.

How can I write a refined query so that I can use in a custom constraint, or is it possible to implement such constraint in the software? MilkyDefer 07:11, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata:Request_a_query are very helpful if you need queries written. Vicarage (talk) 08:16, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
if they are always identical why do we even have two properties? BrokenSegue (talk) 12:39, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The OP's justification is as follows:
  1. They are conceptually two different services.
  2. Having an Instagram account does not automatically grants a Threads account.
  3. I need to navigate directly to Threads by clicking on the username.
He concludes that a distinct property is needed. If multiple values are provided, the list of Threads username (P11892) should be a subset of Instagram username (P2003). MilkyDefer 12:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
but why couldn't someone have a threads account with one username (and an associated instagram account they never use) and a differently named instagram account BrokenSegue (talk) 12:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot contact the OP now, this is my own opinion: Having an associated instagram account they never use does not change the fact that they have the instagram account. Adding it to the list of instagram accounts then immediately tagging it to deprecated rank makes the item more complete. MilkyDefer 14:40, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You probably want to learn what the deprecated rank means in wikidata, Milky. Deprecation is for statements that are not and were never true. If the person or organisation does have an IG account so named, but does not use it, then deprecation is incorrect. The used account should be preferred rank. The unused but nevertheless true account should be normal rank. See also Help:Ranking#Deprecated_rank "used for statements that are known to include errors (i.e. data produced by flawed measurement processes, inaccurate statements) or that represent outdated knowledge (i.e. information that was never correct, but was at some point thought to be).". --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then set the one in active use to preferred rank and other placeholder accounts normal rank, that sounds sensible. MilkyDefer 13:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Check of consensus for use of amateur drawings on items about living people[edit]

There is currently a discussion on Commons Village Pump about 5 amateur drawings that are currently in use at Wikidata (and then transcluded through infoboxes to multiple Wikipedias). The concern is whether they should be retained or deleted at Commons. However, a key part of any Commons deletion discussion is whether the files are in use on another project. They are used here on the following items;

  1. File:Portrait Victoria Pedretti.jpg on Victoria Pedretti (Q57659823)
  2. File:Liv Little.jpg on Liv Little (Q27980705)
  3. File:Portrait dessiné de Laurie Peret.jpg on Laurie Peret (Q78215532)
  4. File:Portrait de Sevidzem Ernestine Leikeki.jpg on Sevidzem Ernestine Leikeki (Q109971390)
  5. File:Portrait Aissa Edon.jpg on Aissa Edon (Q28971399)

Is there consensus either to retain or remove any of these images from Wikidata? This will have a big impact on which way any deletion discussion goes on Commons.
@Hibrideacus, MHM55, Quick1984, Jmabel: as uploader and other editors involved in the discussion at Commons. From Hill To Shore (talk) 12:13, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge[edit]

Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge (Q67002255) and Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge (Q67002373) are both instance of (P31) Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge (Q22078132), but the latter's history shows that it has gone between instance of (P31) and subclass of (P279) themed area (Q30224326) a few times. I assume subclass of (P279) is correct because of the other two items? Is it possible (and a good idea) to lock that somehow? @Mateusz_Konieczny, U+1F360, Elisfkc: dseomn (talk) 18:01, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I deprecated the instance of claim with the qualifier and added the subclass of claim back. Hopefully that's right and will prevent it going back and forth again. dseomn (talk) 21:21, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I did the same thing for Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run (Q64159729), for the same reasons. @Agabi10: dseomn (talk) 21:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Having it as subclass of (P279) creates constraint errors for the properties set in environment (P8411), IMDb ID (P345) and YouTube video ID (P1651) in the case of Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run (Q64159729), and for the property set in environment (P8411) in the case of Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge (Q22078132). I assume that's the reason I moved it from subclass of (P279) to instance of (P31) three years ago. What should be the expected fix for this constraint errors in this case? Adding the entities as exceptions for the constraints? Changing the constraints somehow? -- Agabi10 (talk) 13:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
set in environment (P8411) has the same constraint violation either way I think, because neither themed area (Q30224326) nor amusement ride (Q1144661) is a subclass of work (Q386724) or group of works (Q17489659). Probably good to fix that somehow, but I don't think it's related to this change.
IMDb ID (P345) and YouTube video ID (P1651) both use instance or subclass of (Q30208840) in their relevant constraints, so I don't think that's related either? dseomn (talk) 00:06, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What instance or subclass of (Q30208840) means is that the entity should have a property with instance of (P31) and that value in instance of (P31) should be equals to whatever the constraint says or has what the constraint says in the subclass of (P279) tree, not that the entity with the IMDb ID (P345) should be of whatever class the constraint says it is. -- Agabi10 (talk) 09:34, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Big Brother (Q549337)[edit]

Hi, At Big Brother (Q549337) it's missing 2 presenters - AJ Odudu and Will Best - both started hosting it on 8 October 2023,

Could someone be so kind as to add these for me please as I'll be honest I'm far too incompetent for WikiData!, Many thanks, Warm Regards, Davey2010 (talk) 17:20, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Ymblanter (talk) 19:52, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ymblanter you are amazing thank you so much, Many thanks, Warm Regards, Davey2010 (talk) 00:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Default link URL depending on number[edit]

Property:P8645 has a URL formatter that points to a European database that seldom seems to contain French electrical plants (perhaps only the largest?). So I tried to install a formatter that deals with numbers starting with 17 (France, RTE), to no avail. Can somebody look into this? David.Monniaux (talk) 06:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly Summary #620[edit]

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. This is the Wikidata summary of the week before 2024-03-18.
  • Discussions
    • Open request for adminship: KonstantinaG07 3 (RfP scheduled to end after 20 March 2024 17:37 UTC)
    • Closed request for adminship: Zafer Adminship granted, welcome Zafer!
    • New requests for permissions/Bot:
      • PagesBot - Task: Adds no. of pages statements based on page(s) on items of type: scholarly article. Then adds a reference with based on heuristic equal to inferred from page(s).
      • Wicci'o'Bot - Task: Import identifiers of new properties created for TheTVDB (Q15616250), nientepopcorn (Q123434360) (and more properties I plan to request to be added shortly) inherent in the film and TV industry, using IMDb ID (P345) as source.
    • Closed request for comments: Duplicate Refs, Data Model and UI - (RfC closed 15 March 2024 18:57 UTC). The Community showed support for the proposal to change data model and UI for duplicated references. A Phabricator ticket has been opened: T360224
  • Events
    • Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call March 19, 2024: Please join us on March 19 for a community discussion about how GLAM professionals can incorporate Wikidata/linked data into their work week. Bring your success stories about institutional buy-in and how you’ve communicated the value of linked data to managers and colleagues. We hope to share some strategies that you can take back and use in your own workplace. This will be a followup of sorts to our call last May, and you can review some of what we talked about then, plus slides from our survey here: Notes from May 30, 2023 Meeting on Advocacy for Wikidata & Linked Data in Libraries.Agenda
    • Wiki Workshop 2024 - Announcing a new track and a Call for Proposals - Submit your contributions by April 29, 2024 (23:59 AoE)
    • WikiCon Aotearoa - Auckland 2024 - The New Zealand WikiCon has a couple of events introducing and workshopping Wikidata:
      • Saturday 23 March 2024, 11:15 NZT - Intro to Wikidata / 13:00 NZT - Beginner's OpenRefine Workshop
      • Sunday 24 March 2024, 11:00 NZT - Presentation: Breathing life into the Women's Archive through Wikidata

You can comment on all open property proposals!

Referencing information confirmed via email[edit]

I am working on updating the Wikidata items for Indigenous performing artists, part of which is asking them to confirm that information about their Indigenous identity listed in publicly-available bios is accurate and is something they want to have attached to their Wikidata item. Sometimes, when contacted, artists will share details that are relevant and useful inclusions, but are not present in the biographical pages I've found.

In citing this information with Reference, I've been using Type of Reference - Correspondence, along with a quotation from the email. I also make an entry on the talk page for the item I'm creating, noting that I am using information received directly from the artist. I would like to direct people to the talk-page comment directly from the reference using Reference URL, but doing so gets flagged because the field doesn't accept Wikidata links. For an example of what I've been doing, you can look at the place of birth or affiliation on Julian Taylor's page.

Is there a different property I should be using to link contextualizing information on the talk page? Should I be formatting references to information from private correspondence in a different way entirely? Any guidance would be great. MichifDorian (talk) 13:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MichifDorian,
When using external references, anyone (or at least some other people) can access such a reference and verify that a Wikidata item or Wikipedia article provides accurate information.
When you want to refer to information that is obtained via email and is available nowhere else, no one else is able to verify its accuracy. That is why, referring to the personal correspondence is unacceptable. Michgrig (talk) 21:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikimedia Commons has a system in place called VRT, where emails from creators are stored that give permissions for Commons housing their images. Perhaps we need something similar for storing emails containing biographical data. --RAN (talk) 18:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Fake" in american football, duplicate item ?[edit]

Can someone who knows football (and maybe also German) can tell if fake (Q1393653) and play-action pass (Q1734020) are the same concept ? They seem related but I wonder if the one described in dewiki is a bit more generic ? author  TomT0m / talk page 15:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Q859[edit]

On Plato (Q859) RISM ID (P5504) there is a depreciated and normal. On the AC bar in the articles, it shows as an error, but it shouldn't be. I purged both the item and the article and still got the same result. I tried removing, replacing, swapping, etc., and the error persisted. Can someone please tell me what is going on with it and how to fix it? Thanks! Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 01:34, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just guessing that AC = authority control and "article" means the article on Simple Wikipedia. If I have guessed correctly what you mean, then please note it is the valid value people/30108312 which is being marked as invalid. So perhaps something is wrong with the template on simple wiki. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:05, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed on Simple — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:10, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MSGJ Thank you for that. I do not see where you made the change so I can learn. Can you point it out please? Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 11:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
[1] — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome sauce! That’s something I can learn to due very easily. Thanks again! Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 12:06, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Public domain date[edit]

See: Norwegians in New York, 1825-1925 (Q61139623) where as Public_domain_date is not allowed as a qualifier. Should it be allowed to display the information as done here? RAN (talk) 06:13, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reason it's not currently allowed as a qualifier is that the statement requires an "applies to jurisdiction" qualifier, and you can't have qualifiers on qualifiers. If the restrictions are loosened if will no longer be possible to alert people that they should add jurisdiction information. IMO the usefulness of this check speaks for keeping it as it currently is. Infrastruktur (talk) 16:45, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sir you deleted my wikidata item .[edit]

Dear @Lymantria

My wikidata id ( Q124839975 ) You deleted it for more accounts, but I think it deserves to stay. Can we somehow make it undeleted again? please response thank you Sherbazbichu (talk) 23:10, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata is not a place that exists to advertise yourself. In general, making requests without giving any arguments for why a deletion decision was wrong is a sign that the deletion decision was right. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 23:57, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relevant items: Q118372218 (146.199.184.134), Q118930238 (Maljakla), Q124839975 (Sherbazbichu).
Both Q118372218 and Q124839975 linked to an article on the Twi Wikipedia, now deleted as spam. The subject has no obvious connection to Ghana.
References: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]
Identifiers: Crunchbase, Instagram, LinkedIn Bovlb (talk) 01:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Sir @Bovlb@ChristianKl,
After wiki data is deleted, is there any way to undelete it?.Or what else to do if you want to do undulation?
Sir this happened due to some mistake on my part. . Now is there any way to undelete this item. Sherbazbichu (talk) 02:07, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did you get a chance to read Wikidata:Guide to requests for undeletion? Bovlb (talk) 04:15, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The references above do not convince me of notability, mostly advertorial like. Apart from that the creating user and item subject seem to be the same person, combined with the deleted twiwiki-links I judge the items as promotional. --Lymantria (talk) 07:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
dear Sir @Bovlb@ChristianKl@Lymantria
If you want you can check these references and know his relationship by visiting his personal website
https://drsherbaz.life/. Sherbazbichu (talk) 00:20, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
dear sir @Bovlb
You can check them if you want I can provide more references
https://theorg.com/org/aster-dm-healthcare-limited/org-chart/sherbaz-bichu
https://www.asterhospitals.ae/about-us/our-doctors/doctor-detail/dr-sherbaz-bichu
https://healthcare-digital.com/interviews/dr-sherbaz-bichu-leadership-and-technology-healthcare
thank you Sherbazbichu (talk) 13:08, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
dear sir @Lymantria
He is a famous group CEO and also a famous doctor so his wikidata can't be undeleted
thank you Sherbazbichu (talk) 13:10, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that a website lists him as a doctor working at a hospital is not evidence for him being famous. If he's famous, where are the independent sources that speak about him? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 02:42, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are a few medical articles with author name = "S Bichu"; if these can be matched up with the proposed Sherbaz Bichu, that would be sufficient for Wikidata notability. Dogfennydd (talk) 12:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I already looked at those. Two mention Bombay Hospital, Mumbai, and are probably Shrirang Bichu; the COVID one seems to have no information beyond the name but United Arab Emirates is not one of the countries mentioned. Peter James (talk) 18:52, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also checked PubMed for articles not yet in Wikidata and found nothing there. Peter James (talk) 19:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Updates on designing a new Community Wishlist Survey[edit]

Hello everyone, there is new information concerning the redesign of the Community Wishlist Survey.

Firstly, in case you missed them earlier, the updates we have provided so far are:

Update 1: Early decisions on the future of the Wishlist.

Update 2: Introducing Jack Wheeler the new Community Tech Manager, also responsible for redesigning the Wishlist.

Update 3: How we can define a "wish".

Currently, we have two newer updates:

Update 4: Since we are planning on keeping the Wishlist open all year and also looking at how the community have participated in vetting/refining wishes, should wishes be editable?

Update 5: We have shared a preview of the new Wishlist.

Please have a look at any of the updates that interest you, particularly Update 4 and 5.

To keep the conversation in one place, please leave your feedback on the central talk page for all the updates (preferably). However, you can leave comments under this post too.

On behalf of Community Tech, STei (WMF) (talk) 10:44, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Position[edit]

For position (Q4164871) when I look for it to use in instance_of, it no longer appears as an option as I type in the name, what changed to have it so far down the list of options? RAN (talk) 16:28, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge[edit]

Could someone please merge Category:Members of the 9th Assembly of the Republic (Portugal) (Q125110727) and Category:Members of the 9th Assembly of the Republic (Portugal) (Q21292120)? I have tried and failed :) Obi2canibe (talk) 20:23, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And Category:Members of the 7th Assembly of the Republic (Portugal) (Q125110724) and Category:Members of the 7th Assembly of the Republic (Portugal) (Q21292123) as well please.--Obi2canibe (talk) 20:26, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have converted the item IDs to links for easier editing. You can do the same by using {{Q|125110724}}. From Hill To Shore (talk) 21:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. The merge gadget worked without any problems. You probably need to activate the gadget in your preferences if you encountered problems. See Help:Merge. From Hill To Shore (talk) 21:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

World Heritage: Bamberg[edit]

City article Bamberg (Q3936) contains world heritage site references (heritage designation, world heritage criteria, world heritage site id) when in fact the world heritage designation only applies to Bamberg's old town, not the entire city. The old town has a dedicated entity Town of Bamberg (Q114559132), named like official Unesco web page. Property P757 has a uniqueness constraint, so duplication is not wanted. I think the more specific article should get the reference and I've added missing data there. However, I'm not allowed to edit Bamberg to remove world heritage information because it is protected. Can someone help?--178.201.237.227 21:10, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why is only 1 wikipedia reference from an item possible[edit]

I'm trying to register Surinam plantations and some are now a village. The village has been described as a former plantation, howeven I can't link the wikipedia article as the village item already links to the article. Why only a 1:1 relationship? Nico5038 (talk) 07:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata:Sitelinks to redirects is how we solve the issue at Wikidata. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 13:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, learning new things every day ! Nico5038 (talk) 13:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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