Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

Shohei Ohtani The World Baseball Classic concludes with Japan defeating the United States for the championship (MVP Shohei Ohtani pictured). Swiss bank UBS announces its intention to acquire its competitor Credit Suisse in a government-brokered deal. The International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Russian president Vladimir Putin and Russian official Maria Lvova-Belova for the abduction of children from Ukraine. At the Academy Awards, Everything Everywhere All at Once wins seven awards, including Best Picture. Ongoing: Russian invasion of Ukraine Recent deaths: Laura Valenzuela Lance Reddick Gloria Dea Robert Lindsay, 29th Earl of Crawford Pat Schroeder Jacqueline Gold view — page history — related changes — edit

How to nominate an item In order to suggest a candidate: Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated. Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process. Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so. Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense. Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting. Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page. There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN. Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template. Headers Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active. Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header. Voicing an opinion on an item Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated. Please do... Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. Maybe the previous reviewer has missed a problem, or an identified problem has now been fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes may also help administrators identify items that are ready for promotion to the ITN template on MainPage. Point out problematic areas in the nominated article and, if appropriate, suggest how to fix them. If you know exactly what to do, by all means, go ahead and fix it as you see fit. Please do not... Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached. Oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s). Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page. Use the discussion section of an item as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome of a nomination and are potentially disruptive. Suggesting updates A posted ITNC item that needs correcting can be addressed in two ways: For simple updates, such as updated death tolls in a disaster, linking issues, spelling or grammar corrections, or otherwise anything that does not change the intent of the blurb should be discussed at WP:ERRORS in the ITN section. For more complex updates that involve a major change in the blurb's intent, that should be discussed as part of the current ITNC nomination.

March 23

Portal:Current events/2023 March 23

March 23, 2023 (2023-03-23) (Thursday) Disasters and accidents Five people are killed when migrant boats sink off the coast of Sfax, Tunisia. (Reuters) Law and crime Former Indian National Congress president Rahul Gandhi is sentenced to two years in prison for defaming Prime Minister Narendra Modi during a campaign rally in April 2019. (BBC) A 28-year-old male is charged by West Midlands Police with attempted murder for immolating two elderly Muslim men outside of mosques in London and Birmingham between February 27 and March 20. (Al Jazeera) 2023 French pension reform strikes Riots broke out across France a day after a speech by Emmanuel Macron on pension reform. The entrance to the city hall of Bordeaux was set on fire. (Le Monde)

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Terran 1 launch

Article: Terran 1 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A rocket made by extensive 3D printing – Terran 1 – makes its first launch but fails to reach orbit. (Post)
News source(s): NYT; BBC;
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Chlod (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: WP:ITN/R includes "The first and last launches of any type of rocket". Andrew🐉(talk) 09:47, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• I'll reiterate my frequent refrain that space exploration is poorly suited to ITN/R, as we will inevitably find ourselves parsing whether what the thing did matches the wording of the guideline. That said, I cannot even tell what the thing did at this stage, so Wait for article to be fleshed out. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:23, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• I am open to an article like this for ITN, and this could be the humble start of quite cheaply produced rocketry! But it's not a particularly big-impact mission as it stands, nor is it particularly promising just yet. If the article were a solid B-class with a lot of detail, I would be happy to see it featured, but right now it doesn't feel ready for the front page. Waiting until a rocket by this team reaches orbit might be more helpful for our project, but I can already see that being mass-opposed when the time comes... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Definitely a first for a printjob, maybe the last of the Terrans, update reasonably complete. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:44, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support Sure...article does need expansion, but this is ITN/R. I don't know, honestly. Cheers. WimePocy 13:16, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support for ITN/R reasons. MarioJump83 (talk) 14:49, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Comment While this is a very interesting news, I don't think it is ITN-worthy at this time. I would prefer to wait until they have a successful launch. Otherwise, this could be perceived as promoting indirectly someone's business.--Maxxies (talk) 15:59, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

The current ITN/R guidelines state that the first launch of any rocket, whether successful or unsuccessful, automatically satisfies the notability requirement for an item. If you would like to propose a change in those guidelines, you are invited to do so at WT:ITN.--⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks. Maxxies (talk) 18:44, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

We have (very rarely) IAR'd to not post something ITNR in the past, including one instance a few months ago. Curbon7 (talk) 18:51, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• Reluctant Support. Article is fine. No way notable enough in general, but ITN/R wins again. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

I've occasionally wondered if an engineering student firing a sounding rocket made of polydiketoenamine past the Karman Line would count as an ITN/R launch. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:27, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

To be honest, if this thought can to mind, perhaps we should consider going to try for a discussion at WT:ITN? TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 17:48, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

I would strongly encourage it, I'd open it myself except I'm not confident in my argumentative ability. The Kip (talk) 18:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Don't worry, I opened it up. WT:ITN. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 18:16, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Weak support - the fact that its 3D printed makes it somewhat notable in that regard IMO. Crusader1096 (message) 18:32, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• IAR Oppose – Yes, it's ITN/R, but it feels like only by a technicality, and doesn't have the significance to actually be on ITN. DecafPotato (talk) 19:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Not notable enough. Noah^Talk 20:03, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment IAR opposes really need to be an overwhelming consensus (somewhere in the range of 95%) in order to be considered sufficient to bar an ITN/R item from posting. In other words, it has to be something that contravenes the spirit of the ITN/R criterion if not the letter. In addition, straight-up vote-votes like "not notable" are about as helpful to a posting admin as no rationale at all. Really, the best place to make a case is on WT:ITN, where this is already being discussed. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

  A support !vote specifically saying that they disagree that it should be posted but reluctantly support because of its ITN/R status are a very strong case for how this shouldn't be posted. And like I said, I feel as though this is only ITN/R by a technicality without any established significance, which, in my opinion, contravenes the spirit of the ITN/R criterion if not the letter. DecafPotato (talk) 20:49, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Strongly support the story, but wait until orbit - ITN/R, my guys. And as for the legitimacy of this being ITN/R, I think it's

a. Good to have positive, diverse stories to post

b. This is the first flight of a new orbital rocket by a new company, which alone is quite notable, especially considering the massively growing significance of the space industry on our every day lives

c. 3D printing technology pushed to a new extreme, which only adds to the notability.

Unfortunately, I don't think it should be posted until a successful orbital launch, which will probably be soon. I feel like ITN/R should be updated to say that only successful orbital launches be notable (though one near-future exception to this could be the maiden launch of SpaceX Starship, if it ends in failure). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:23, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support since this is in ITNR. Also, I watched it from my university's parking garage last night, and witnessed the 2nd stage fail to ignite, so that was interesting. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 21:20, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

March 22

Portal:Current events/2023 March 22

March 22, 2023 (2023-03-22) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Zaporizhzhia residential building airstrikes A Russian missile strike on an apartment building in the city of Zaporizhzhia kills a civilian and injures 25 others. (AP) A Russian drone strike in Rzhyshchiv kills at nine civilians and injures 29 others. (Yahoo) Yemeni Civil War Ten Yemeni soldiers are killed by Houthi Islamists in Harib District, Marib Governorate, despite a truce reached between the government and the rebels on Monday. (AFP via France 24) Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso Fifteen people are killed after an attack in Centre-Nord Region, Burkina Faso. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents One person is killed after a four storey building collapses in Doha, Qatar. (AP) Politics and elections 2023 vote of no confidence in the government of Pedro Sánchez Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez’s government survives a second vote of no confidence presented by far-right party Vox with independent Ramón Tamames as its candidate. (El Periódico) Science and technology Argentine mathematician Luis Caffarelli wins this year’s Abel Prize "for his seminal contributions to regularity theory for nonlinear partial differential equations including free-boundary problems and the Monge–Ampère equation". He becomes the first Latin American to win this prize. (The Guardian)

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RD: Kéné Ndoye

Article: Kéné Ndoye (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Rushtheeditor (talk) 20:42, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

2022 Turing Award

Article: Robert Metcalfe (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Robert Metcalfe (pictured) wins the Turing Award for the invention of the Ethernet. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Joofjoof (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Just announced, so articles are still being updated. Joofjoof (talk) 10:47, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment That should be just Ethernet not "the Ethernet" as it's a family of protocols, not a particular network. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:03, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Metcalfe's article needs a lot of sourcing work. --Masem (t) 12:33, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Striking out the second 'the' in the blurb per Andrew's comment. Cheers. WimePocy 11:36, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• Metcalfe's article still needs a good amount of work, but the Ethernet article looks good so I'm excited to see this featured once BLP guidelines are met. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:46, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

2023 Abel prize

Article: Luis Caffarelli (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Luis Caffarelli was awarded the Abel Prize for contributions to regularity theory for nonlinear partial differential equations (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/mar/22/the-messi-of-maths-argentinian-luis-caffarelli-wins-abel-prize
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Fdfexoex (talk) 01:29, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• Needs work The red link for his main work is embarrassing. I'll try to get a stub started but lack the time and expertise to expand it. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:59, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• Needs a lot of work. regularity theory is just a definition and partial differential equation is largely uncited. Might have been acceptable if Caffarelli's article was particularly good, but it's not up-to-snuff yet either. I hope people will be able to bring these articles to a higher level. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:49, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

March 21

Portal:Current events/2023 March 21

March 21, 2023 (2023-03-21) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War, Russia–United Kingdom relations The United Kingdom confirms that it will provide Ukraine with depleted uranium armour-piercing shells, alongside its Challenger 2 main battle tanks, saying that there is a "low risk" of radiation contamination. Russian president Vladimir Putin says Russia would be "forced to react" to the British move. (BBC News) (BBC News) Somali Civil War The Somali National Army and pro-government militants kill 30 al-Shabaab jihadists and injure many others while defending a military base in the south of the country. (Xinhua) 2018–2023 Haitian crisis The United Nations reports that 187 people have been killed in a wave of violence in Haiti in the past eleven days during clashes between gangs. Since the beginning of the year, 531 people have been murdered in the country. (AP) (France24) Disasters and accidents 2023 Badakhshan earthquake An earthquake strikes Afghanistan's Badakhshan Province, killing at least 30 people and injuring over 300. 20 deaths are in neighboring Pakistan. (BBC News) Health and environment Tanzania reports that five people have died from an outbreak of Marburg virus. The Health Ministry added that three others are being treated and that 161 people are being tracked by authorities, although the ministry stated that this is not of serious concern for the country. (AFP via Al Arabiya) Law and crime LGBT rights in Uganda The parliament of Uganda approves a bill with harsher provisions against homosexual relationships. The bill includes the charges of "aggravated homosexuality" and "attempted homosexuality" with sentences of up to 10 years in prison. (AP)

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2023 Badakhshan earthquake

Article: 2023 Badakhshan earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A 6.5 Mw earthquake in Afghanistan and Pakistan kills at least 30 people and injures 383. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Reuters, Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Quake1234 (talk · give credit) and Filipinohere (talk · give credit)

 Ainty Painty (talk) 10:39, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good! Fahads1982^Talk 11:07, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support definitely notable, and changed blurb into present tense. - azpineapple | ^T/_C 13:37, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support Article feels a little sparse, but probably good enough for ITNR. The Kip (talk) 14:22, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support Agree with The Kip on this one, but it meets the minimum requirement for ITNR (though there is now one {cn} tag, pertaining to the quake's impacts in Tajikistan). Also transferred this nom and the now-posted WBC 2023 nom to 21 March, as both happened on that date (and not 22 March). Vida0007 (talk) 18:35, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
• Reminder This is not an ITNR nomination, judge on significance and article quality. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Support - article is decent, I've seen shorter article be posted to ITN. Crusader1096 (message) 18:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) World Baseball Classic

Article: 2023 World Baseball Classic championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In baseball, Japan defeats the United States to win the World Baseball Classic (MVP Shohei Ohtani pictured). (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
• Updated by José A. VEN (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 02:44, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Oppose until it's updated. Noah^Talk 02:47, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Hurricane Noah, it's updated. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:15, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support updated, article in good shape, notable, good image, no issues with blurb! Tails Wx 03:18, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support I don't think we need "In baseball" because that's obvious from "World Baseball Classic." Jehochman ^Talk 03:50, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good! Layah50♪ ( 話して～! ) 03:53, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support looks good. Amazing game --Torsodog^Talk 06:05, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Absolutely. This year's edition of WBC may have been a bigger baseball tournament than World Series ever was. MarioJump83 (talk) 07:27, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Tweaked because of "defeats" vs "defeat" MOS:ENGVAR debate. Also, the general WBC page should be included.—Bagumba (talk) 09:06, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  I don't understand why this blurb with a quite thin article (limited text) was posted that fast after just a few hours, while other blurbs with many more supports are posted days later. I have serious questions on this process. Things need to be fair and consistent, otherwise the credibility is lost. Maxxies (talk) 22:15, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  I don't post stubs or poorly sourced pages. It had a game summary of multiple paragraphs. The other subjective criteria, I leave to the participants (or I otherwise !vote), and there was unanimous support among a handful of participants after many hours. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 02:53, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

  I respectfully disagree strongly. This does not address the weaknesses of the article pointed out after it was posted and how the process is fair and consistent. While I certainly support the idea of having blurbs posted for current events as soon as possible, very few people had the opportunity to provide their comments, especially those who live in the Americas, in Europe and Africa. The blurb was proposed late in the evening/night and posted in the middle of the night/early morning. Does it mean that we should stay awake all night? My goal is here is to foster an inclusive environment and facilitate engagement of most for quality blurbs and articles. Otherwise, some people may feel that their commitment to ITN may not be worth their time and effort. Maxxies (talk) 05:10, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

  I posted based on the !votes at the time. No problem if consensus happens to change afterwards. There is no minimum wait time, and this is not close, timewise, to other posts that have been faster. We are all volunteers here, so nobody should expect anyone to "stay awake all night". However, we have historically posted once there is consensus among a sufficient number of participants. If the community wishes tighter guidelines than what has been done in the past, they are free form a consensus to amend WP:ITN/A, which reads: Editors at ITN/C declare their support or opposition and, after a few hours, it's usually fairly clear if enough people express reasonable arguments in favour of posting. If the consensus is not entirely clear, consider letting the nomination run for more time, especially if the nomination is less than 24 hours old. —Bagumba (talk) 05:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

  Considering a handful of supports before posting can only increase the risk of bias. At this time, I am not confident that the process is fair and consistent. I rest my case. Maxxies (talk) 07:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The article is still quite lacking in background and explanation. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:05, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Where?--⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:18, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

See the previous nomination for details. Generally, the article is quite sketchy. For a more developed example, see 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup which has about 5 times the prose and hasn't even started yet. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Bit of an unequal comparison, considering one is solely the championship article and one is for an entire tournament. The Kip (talk) 14:26, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I hadn't understood that the article is just about a single game in this event. That seems odd as our articles usually cover all of a tournament. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:19, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Tournament blurbs usually have a target article of the championship game/final rather than the tournament as a whole. The Kip (talk) 19:23, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

If the tournament is held over a couple of weeks as a concentrated event, as this was, then we'd usually report the entire tournament. For example, 2023 Men's FIH Hockey World Cup or 2023 Australian Open. Andrew🐉(talk) 00:27, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

For the record, the posted blurb links to both the general tournament and the individual final, though the final itself is the only thing bolded. DecafPotato (talk) 01:04, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment While I'm obviously not voting to pull; I hate to agree with Andrew, but it's a worthwhile point that the article seems thin on prose. Not bad enough to pull, however. The Kip (talk) 14:24, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  I concur. Curbon7 (talk) 14:36, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  I agree as well. Hell, the road to the final section is pretty just a table and not a prose detailing how they got there. Also no aftermath section. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:02, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  That prose is in the subarticles, and the table is sourced. What aftermath is missing? The players returned to spring training. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• Ah, the irony. Any sporting event that had as little prose as this one, but was one from outside the USAsphere, would immediately have been opposed by multiple people for exactly that reason. The article is crap; a five-line summary of the final and nothing else. Well done, everyone. Might be useful as a future "well this was posted, so ..." example, though. Black Kite (talk) 19:14, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  It wasn't even on free TV or basic cable in the US (in Japan 97.3% of TVs that were on were tuned in by the time of the stunning last ball (17 inches of perfectly aimed swing in the air at 87 mph after 102 mph) but Japan has few English speakers (Japanese to or from English is hard to learn (Less related than English and Bengali, badly correlated English soundoletters vs stylized pictograms, different sounds, l and r no longer the same phoneme, sentences are almost completely backwards. Phoneme splitting is hard! In some languages dark l vs light l can change meaning and English-only people like me don't even notice. But ace and ass we notice right away but Japanese only has 1 kind of A and only 5 vowels instead of 12+ in English))) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:32, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

  Look at ITNR sports articles that are posted. How many of them are longer than 2023 World Baseball Classic, 2023 World Baseball Classic Pool A, 2023 World Baseball Classic Pool B, 2023 World Baseball Classic Pool C, 2023 World Baseball Classic Pool D, 2023 World Baseball Classic knockout stage, and 2023 World Baseball Classic championship? Maybe that many of them are one article is confusing? Even if you consider the blurb only has the final game and the main tournament article, this is on par or better than most of what gets posted here. And for TV, ratings are up in the US and I bet a lot of people watched around the world, I'd love to see those numbers. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:07, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

  Yeah I didn't see the problem. And American interest in the WBC seems to be growing as you said which is pretty cool, baseball gets to have something kind of like the soccer World Cup. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 06:07, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

  Looking at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/December 2022 § (Posted) Argentina wins World Cup, the initial wait's and oppose's were because there was literally zero prose of the actual match at the time. It eventually got posted within 2 hours of the nomination with 5 support's and some unredacted wait's (presumably their concerns were resolved). —Bagumba (talk) 03:55, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• Coverage To understand the event better, I just looked through the coverage in the NYT. I had to search for it because nothing is listed on its online front page, not even in the section at the bottom which summarises the sports section, The Athletic. That has six other stories such as "Can Princeton Crack the Elite Eight?" and "Fans Are Furious About the N.H.L.’s New Uniform Deal." But when you search, there are several articles about this event and, after reading them, two main points emerged. Firstly, that the MVP, Shohei Ohtani, is something special because he excels at both pitching and hitting and such all-round play is not usual in baseball at professional level. And, secondly, that the US has trouble fielding a team for this event because, somehow, it interferes with pre-season training for the regular season. The problem seems to be that the players don't actually get to play which I still don't fully understand. Anyway, our article doesn't seem to convey or explain these key points.

The general impression is what I gleaned from an earlier perusal – that the event is not well-established and supported like the World Series, say, but is still quite anomalous and shaky. And the issue for us here is that the nominated article does a poor job of explaining all this to the general reader. We are regularly told that ITN is not just for running headlines but is expected to highlight detailed, quality encyclopedic articles. Myself, I don't mind if articles aren't perfect because Wikipedia's focus is speed not perfection. But I do expect a level playing field in which all types of topic are held to the same standard.

Andrew🐉(talk) 08:52, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

To be fair none of the Ivy League basketballers have reached the top 8 in 44 years even though at least 1 of 8 schools is in the tournament each year and they only need to win 3 games in a row. It'll be interesting to see if brains can still beat jocks in post-1970s college basketball (a series of rule changes and, ironically, nerdier statistics have made it much harder) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

The US team has these problems for a number of reasons: players in the world's 2nd strongest club league (Japan) seem much more likely to find the change of schedule and small risk of injury worth it (most years don't have a preseason tournament, players usually train then play exhibition training games this time of year), the regular season+postseason already fill about all space that's available at the current level of global heating. The record low is 23F/-5C and if they played spring training at home instead of Florida or Arizona then more games would get snowed on. Snow games are accepted in American football but undesirable in baseball. If they made spring training start before the current mid-February the players bodies wouldn't be able to heal as much as they could. Pitchers' throwing side ulnar collateral ligament especially, they tear at least a little every x years or so and only post-1974 surgeons knew how to let them play again by sowing on a replacement tendon (after a long potentially never complete heal, even Ohtani did this). It is very hard on the elbow to throw 102.0 mph like him with an anti-runup rule (pivot foot naked eye not touching ground rectangle at any time between standing still and release is a foul, the rectangle is only 6 inches front-to-back 24 left-to-right)) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:57, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting support - While not as well-developed as other world championships in other sports, the WBC is clearly the premier international baseball tournament. The 'World' Series is a strictly North American event between regional teams; obviously we should post it, but it's on a par with the FA Cup, not the FIFA World Cup. The WBC, while it doesn't have the same high profile as the World Cup, is at least in the same tier as it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:44, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Ryugu asteroid samples

Article: 162173 Ryugu (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scientists find the presence of uracil, one of the components of RNA, and vitamin B3 in the samples from asteroid 162173 Ryugu. (Post)
News source(s): Nature, CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Per CNN, while "scientists have previously found nucleobases and vitamins in certain carbon-rich meteorites, [...] there was always the question of contamination by exposure to the Earth’s environment" and "since the Hayabusa2 spacecraft collected two samples directly from asteroid Ryugu and delivered them to Earth in sealed capsules, contamination can be ruled out". The findings are published in peer-reviewed Nature Communications. Brandmeister^talk 08:42, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. As interesting as this story is, it's hardly new information, just a corroboration of previous theory. For example, the article notes "Unlike in previous instances when nucleobases and vitamins were also found in certain carbon-rich meteorites, the contamination by exposure to the Earth’s environment was ruled out as the samples were collected directly from asteroid and delivered to Earth in sealed capsules." So it's probable that we've found such a meteorite before and simply were unable to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt there was no contamination. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:03, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

• Weak support: This is definitely interesting news, but it is buried pretty deep into the article. The article is of good quality though, so this is a support from me.--WMrapids (talk) 22:50, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Support per @WMrapids. Crusader1096 (message) 03:26, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Support. This finding suggests that the RNA-World of which the relics exist in many important biomolecules, see .e.g. here that gave rise to modern life, may be a universal feature of life throughout the universe, rather than only here on Earth. Count Iblis (talk) 07:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Weak Support - Very interesting news, and I'd like to see it posted, but I'm not sure if it's really notable. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose I don't like opposing but the story seems lacking. The molecules in question are fairly simple organic compounds and so it's not surprising to confirm their presence. The sampling mission was posted at ITN in 2018 and this item is just part of the long tail of results. Checking for space news, there seem to be bigger stories. I've just nominated Terran 1 while Hakuto-R has just achieved lunar orbit, prior to a landing for the Emirates Lunar Mission. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:59, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on the simple basis that the update to our article isn't significant enough. If, inspired by this news, someone wrote a whole major section or article about the molecular analysis of Ryugu, then that might have been a meaningful article to feature. Here we'd basically be featuring the same text as we did a few years ago. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

RD: Willis Reed

Article: Willis Reed (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 19:06, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support An NBA legend and the article is in decent shape. Aure entuluva (talk) 23:14, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

• Not yet ready Orange-tagged for citations; several inline CN tags present. Curbon7 (talk) 11:39, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for reasons outlined by Curbon. Orange-tagged article, for CN. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 20:02, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Kazakh legislative election

Article: 2023 Kazakh legislative election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kazakhstan holds its first legislative election since the January 2022 unrest (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Kazakhstan's ruling party Amanat wins the legislative election
News source(s): Reuters, Euronews, DW, RFE/RL
Credits:

• Nominated by ShadZ01 (talk · give credit)
• Created by PLATEL (talk · give credit)
• Updated by PLATEL (talk · give credit), ShadZ01 (talk · give credit), Malik Nursultan B (talk · give credit) and Syaz351 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: This election is part of Kazakhstan's attempt at democratization and saw more parties win seats for the first time in nearly 20 years. ShadZ01 (talk) 04:13, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Notable for the reasons Shad gave. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:25, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment - It's ITN/R and therefore notable enough, and the article seems to be in good shape, but it lacks information about how many seats each party won. Once that is added, consider this a support vote. Son Of The Desert (Talk) 15:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

  I'm in the same boat. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 15:42, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

• Wait per Son of the Desert. Will switch to support when election results are fully detailed. The Kip (talk) 16:10, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support upon expansion as stated per above, article lacks clear information regarding the results. Crusader1096 (message) 16:39, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support when expanded, as stated above by everyone else. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 18:05, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Support - Could use a little expansion on the results, but seems ready enough for ITN. Estar8806 (talk) 00:07, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Looks perfectly fine, it just needs a bit more info about how many seats each party won. TomMasterReal^TALK 00:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support per all above. Article looks good!! Cheers. WimePocy 12:28, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

March 20

Portal:Current events/2023 March 20

March 20, 2023 (2023-03-20) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War The European Union approves a €2 billion plan to supply 1 million artillery shells to Ukraine. (The Washington Post) (Kyiv Post) Southern Ukraine campaign Ukraine's Ministry of Defence says that a Russian shipment of Kalibr cruise missiles was blown up as it was being transported by rail in Dzhankoi, Crimea. At least one person is reportedly injured. (Reuters) Arts and culture Scientists discover ruins of a pearling town near Umm Al Quwain, United Arab Emirates. The town is considered to be the oldest ever found in the country, dating back to the 6th century. (Khaleej Times) International relations China–Russia relations 2023 visit by Xi Jinping to Russia Chinese president Xi Jinping visits Russia in his first international trip since being re-elected, meeting with Russian president Vladimir Putin in Moscow. (Reuters) North Korea and weapons of mass destruction North Korea conducts drills simulating a nuclear counterattack in response to joint amphibious landing exercises by the United States and South Korea. (Reuters) Law and crime War crimes in Afghanistan Brereton Report A 41-year-old Australian former soldier is arrested and charged with the murder of an Afghan man while he was deployed in Afghanistan, becoming the first Australian military member to be charged following the release of the report. (CNN) XXXTentacion murder trial Michael Boatwright, Trayvon Newsome, and Dedrick Williams are found guilty of first-degree murder for the 2018 shooting of rapper XXXTentacion. (The New York Times) More than 100 Sikh separatists are arrested during a three-day hunt by police in Punjab, India. The group's leader Amritpal Singh is still wanted. (Al Jazeera) South Africa prepares for a "nationwide shutdown" as the military is deployed ahead of protests by the Economic Freedom Fighters. (The Independent) Censorship in the United Kingdom The British government bans far-right Danish activist Rasmus Paludan from entering the United Kingdom over a threat to burn a Quran in Wakefield, West Yorkshire. (BBC News) Explosive devices disguised as USB flash drives are sent to least five news organizations in Ecuador; one journalist at Ecuavisa in Guayaquil suffers minor injuries. (The Guardian)

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RD: Virginia Zeani

Article: Virginia Zeani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Cielquiparle (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 4meter4 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Romanian-born opera singer Cielquiparle (talk) 09:58, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

RD: Paul Grant

Article: Paul Grant (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News
Credits:

• Nominated by Tails Wx (talk · give credit)
• Created by Autarch (talk · give credit)
• Updated by EclecticEnnui (talk · give credit) and Eric Carpenter (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British actor, declared brain dead on March 16, died March 20. Tails Wx 23:55, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

• Needs work The article completely fails to explain the subject's key feature – that he was remarkably short (4' 4") and styled himself "king of the dwarfs". Andrew🐉(talk) 09:21, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• Strong oppose Article goes as follows - short lead section, directly followed by the death section, with a singular note that repeats what is already said in the death section. Nothing on the subject, merely a stub. This needs fixing ASAP. Cheers. WimePocy 12:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

RD: Terry Norris

Article: Terry Norris (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-21/terry-norris-cop-shop-actor-dies-92/102122882
Credits:

• Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Australian actor and politician. HiLo48 (talk) 04:07, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

IPCC Sixth Assessment report

Article: IPCC Sixth Assessment Report (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change completes its Sixth Assessment Report with a final warning. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change completes its Sixth Assessment Report, summarizing actions humans must take now for a 50% chance to avoid irreversible climate change by 2030.
News source(s): Guardian; The Times; NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Chidgk1 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: As suggested below. There's work to do on the update... Andrew🐉(talk) 13:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - as mentioned, not really updated. Additionally, the blurb above leaves out too much information for the reader. The IPCC's 6th assessment on what? What was the warning about? Finally, I question the long term applicability of this story given how prior UN predictions about climate change have aged wildly unwell and its pretty obvious that when it comes to climate change, everyone is naturally incentivized to exaggerate the severity to generate clicks and attention. Crusader1096 (message) 14:51, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Strong Support - Yes, yes, WP:RGW, but this is massive, massive news - a wake-up call to the world, in case all the previous evidence wasn't convincing enough. And it's made headlines across multiple reliable sources. I find Knightoftheswords's oppose rationale unconvincing; any perceived lack of accuracy regarding any prior assessments by the United Nations does not and will not diminish the significance of their office nor of this story. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Very significant even if the report would not get countries like mine to change their practices. MarioJump83 (talk) 16:18, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. I would be less opposed to this nom if the major components of this report had not already been published. As the article acknowledges, this report is composed of three main parts, the most recent having been published nearly a year ago. While the headlines are about the finished report at the moment, if any country is only now having a "wake-up call", they must have been asleep over the past two years. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Weak Support - @Knightoftheswords281 makes some good points, and the blurb isn't fit for posting, but at the end of the day I do think this is an event that should be ITN/R. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:40, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Per all of the above, User:Editor 5426387 (talk), 13:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose per DarkSide. I can certainly see its notability, but the most recent part of the report having been published a year ago raises questions as to whether this is even eligible for ITNR or not. The Kip (talk) 17:41, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

  The AR6 Synthesis Report, the final part of AR6, was published today. Masem (t) 20:23, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose today's publication of the report doesn't really change anything or tell us anything we didn't already know before (either from previous reports/news or from parts of this report that were already in the public domain). I don't think the publication itself is ITN-worthy 2A02:C7F:2CE3:4700:60F7:5482:A96:B5CC (talk) 19:48, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose per DarkSide. There's not much in here we didn't already know. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:15, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support The article looks good. --Maxxies (talk) 00:05, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Weak oppose on noteworthiness. Article seems sufficient quality, but it's not clear to me that the mere publication of a report saying what was already well-known is itself significant. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 00:14, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per other opposers There isn't much in this sixth and final report that we don't already know. Unfortunate, but stale. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 02:07, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support These reports are a very big deal. The previous one was published almost ten years ago and we posted it, so I don't see anything that could objectively prevent this from being posted (of course, if the article is sufficiently expanded).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support We have not featured this before, and AFAIK the last nom was shut down due to a want of the full report. This is the highest level assesment we can have for climate change and only the sixth in line since the first in the 1990s. Gotitbro (talk) 10:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above. Good quality, and I would throw in support of the blurb! Tails Wx 12:12, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
• Strong support. We can't control how IPCC reports are published in parts. Is it the headline story of reputable news organizations globally? Yes. I think that demonstrates it's worthy to be on ITN. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 14:33, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - There's nothing in the report that we didn't know already. Son Of The Desert (Talk) 15:04, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Comment - Altblurb may be a little sensational. Not to understate the effects of climate change, but it sounds like we're directly commanding governments to change their policy in regards to the climate, by saying "actions humanity must take NOW to avoid global warming". Maybe I'm wrong though, what do you all think? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:59, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

It also looks like it has a tense error; surely "outline" is meant to be "outlining". — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 16:09, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Nope, I think you're right. Perhaps "The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change completes its Sixth Assessment Report, outlining what can be done to prevent climate change by 2030."? Not too sure if this is the best we have, but it's not as sensational as the first altblurb and giving a little more information. Then again, I didn't read too much, so I can't say if the information I'm giving in this blurb is accurate. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 18:13, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

WP:NPOV does not mean creating undue weight for opposing viewpoints. Since this is the consensus of climatology scientists across the world, it's not an overstatement to phrase it in terms of requiring imminent action. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:29, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

The report is written as a strong warning that all governments need to take action "now", not "wait a few years and take action", if 1.5 in 2030 is to be avoided. It is a strongly worded warning, so Walt is correct that this blurb represents the direness of the situation from the IPCC's view. Masem (t) 12:35, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I understand. Should've read up on the assessment beforehand, then before commenting. Thanks! TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 17:53, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support This is a specific news event and a significant report. -TenorTwelve (talk) 21:59, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Per Knightoftheswords, this seems to be just more sensationalism. Its for sure notable and I agree with the sentiment of the report, but the UN has been warning about irreversible climate change for as long as Wikipedia has been around. Should we post every time the UN makes a report on the climate?

Rabawar (talk) 13:54, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

• Strong support (with changes to blurb: ... a stark warning on the effects of 1.5 °C warming of the climate). Not mentioned elsewhere so far as I can see, but significant is the fact that this completes the IPCC's sixth assessment cycle, i.e., it will serve as the definitive piece of climate change reporting until the 2030s. MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 11:35, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose This was all pretty much explained in the last five. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:55, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

March 19

Portal:Current events/2023 March 19

March 19, 2023 (2023-03-19) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Central African Republic Civil War Nine Chinese nationals are killed and two others are injured when suspected rebels storm the Chinese-run Chimbolo gold mine in Ouaka, Central African Republic. (AP) Business and economy Acquisition of Credit Suisse by UBS UBS Group AG, supported by the Swiss government, reaches a deal to merge with Credit Suisse as the latter faces imminent insolvency. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents At least 19 people are killed and 25 others are injured when their bus falls into a ditch in Madaripur District, Dhaka Division, Bangladesh. (WION) Politics and elections Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian president Vladimir Putin visits Mariupol, Donetsk Oblast, in Russian-occupied Ukraine, for the first time since the invasion began. (AP) 2023 Montenegrin presidential election Incumbent president Milo Đukanović wins the first round and will face Jakov Milatović in the runoff on 2 April. (Reuters) 2023 Kazakh legislative election Ruling party Amanat wins the election to the Mäjilis. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Earl of Crawford

Article: Robert Lindsay, 29th Earl of Crawford (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph
Credits:

• Nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Chrislindesay (talk · give credit) and The C of E (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British peer, former Minister of Defence and last living MP elected in 1955  The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 21:58, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• Ancestry needs a cite. Probably should have one for the arms too. Honours is missing two cites. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:03, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
  • @Ad Orientem: All are cited now. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Looks good now. --Vacant0 (talk) 11:50, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Marking as ready. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Agree. Jusdafax (talk) 15:35, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support, Article is ok . Alex-h (talk) 15:40, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Support. Looks good to me; this looks ready to post. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Posted. Sandstein 23:02, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Acquisition of Credit Suisse by UBS

Article: Acquisition of Credit Suisse by UBS (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After Silicon Valley Bank and Signature Bank, Credit Suisse is the third major bank to fail within a few days, and is acquired by UBS. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After a series of bank failures in the United States, Swiss bank Credit Suisse is acquired by UBS.
Alternative blurb II: ​ After a series of bank failures in the United States, Swiss bank UBS acquires Credit Suisse, its competitor, to prevent its failure.
Alternative blurb III: ​ After a series of bank failures in the United States, Swiss bank Credit Suisse is acquired by UBS.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Swiss bank UBS announces its intention to acquire its competitor Credit Suisse.
Alternative blurb V: ​ Swiss bank UBS announces its intention to acquire its competitor Credit Suisse in a government-brokered deal.
News source(s): BBC, Washington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Sandstein (talk · give credit)
• Created by Red-tailed hawk (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This blurb should replace the existing bank collapse blurb. Major development in a developing global banking crisis. This is a breaking story, the Swiss government press conference announcing the acquisition is ongoing as I type this.  Sandstein 19:05, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support on notability. I'm still working on getting the article in shape (and I can't speak Swiss German, so I'm relying heavily on U.S./U.K. financial media to expand this); it may be several hours before the quality is there. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:06, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  @Red-tailed hawk, thanks for your work. Swiss media are published in Standard German and French, not Swiss German, which should help. Here are a few Swiss media live blogs which should be accessible with Google Translate if necessary: Swiss TV, Swiss Radio. There is also Swissinfo in English. Sandstein 19:14, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  Support alternative blurb 2 as an independent entry (i.e. at the top of ITN). I think it is the most precise; there is good sourcing for it, and the global significance is obvious. The page appears to be good to post at this point, though development will be needed to make the article more comprehensive. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

  I also support alternative blurb 4. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 04:43, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support on notability. This is a major development in the history of Switzerland, of its financial sector, and it is of great importance to the rest of the world.

XA1dUXvugi (talk) 19:46, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support something If there was an article covering the ongoing crisis in the banking sector, I think I'd support putting that in ongoing. But clearly this is a very significant move. On Friday people were openly warning that Credit Suisse was teetering on the brink and its collapse could set off a financial panic. Not sure how to frame this as a blurb that keeps everything in the context of a crisis in the global banking system. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:55, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  If more banks fail, perhaps we should consider an ongoing nomination for this item? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support, propose altblurb Significance is obvious, wrote altblurb for conciseness/clarity. The Kip (talk) 19:58, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support, propose altblurb, can be linked to the article on Bank collapses. Technically this is the fourth and not the third bank to collapse in March. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 20:03, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment This is not a bank failure; UBS stepped to acquire the bank to ward off a future collapse. Only two banks so far have been tank over by a government as a result of a failure. --Masem (t) 20:14, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  @Masem, that is true, but my understanding is that the two US banks were also not actually insolvent yet, either, when they were taken over. Maybe a better alt blurb would be "After a series of bank failures in the United States, UBS acquires Credit Suisse to prevent its failure". The proposed altblurb makes it sound like a standard corporate merger, whereas this was more like a shotgun wedding pushed through by global financial regulators to prevent the collapse of a globally systemically relevant bank and thereby a major financial crisis. Sandstein 20:25, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  This is complicated because UBS had been looking to acquire Credit Suisse's stable operations for a long time. The controversy at the bank is more related to its investment banking subsidiary First Boston, which is primarily based in the US, so UBS wanted to acquire the Credit Suisse assets minus the First Boston stuff. The current situation is giving UBS a chance to acquire Credit Suisse at a steep discount and also get numerous guarantees from the government over the investment banking subsidiary. Septemberisnottheseptmonth (talk) 00:18, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support in principle, but the article needs to be expanded before it gets posted.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:00, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  @Kiril Simeonovski, I've expanded the article, although there is still much room for expansion; the global financial press will certainly provide ample coverage in the coming days. Sandstein 22:05, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks for the great work. Looks good to go now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:43, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support with a new burb and an expanded article. The altburb implies that there is a direct link to the US bank collapses and this event, even though the root causes of these two events are different. Technically, Credit Suisse did not fail as the blurb said. This acquisition prevents its failure and possibly a major financial crisis. The term "fail" in the blurb does not seem to be exact.--Maxxies (talk) 21:37, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• Altblurb 2 proposed. Sandstein 22:15, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - Credit Suisse did not fail. A major reason for the acquisition was to prevent volatility in the global markets, and it is also important to note that UBS has been looking to acquire Credit Suisse for a long time. Septemberisnottheseptmonth (talk) 23:35, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  Even if this happened in a calm environment, two of the largest banks in the world merging would be major financial news. Juxlos (talk) 04:56, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support alternate blurb Something like
• After a series of bank failures in the United States, the Swiss government arranges for the takeover of embattled bank Credit Suisse by its competitor UBS, to prevent further financial contagion. This wasn’t a normal M&A deal, but a government-backed private-sector bailout, and in my opinion should be noted as such. Credit Suisse’s AT1 bond holders are getting wiped out; shareholders are getting a 60-70% haircut; and the Swiss National Bank has stood behind all this guaranteeing $100 billion+ in backstops & extra liquidity. 2601:642:4C02:5D7E:5952:3E9E:551C:3E8A (talk) 00:36, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Credit Suisse did not fail, and acquisition's not nearly as noteworthy. Furthermore, it is irresponsible to conflate the US failures with this event. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support altblurb IV CS is a globally systemically important bank, and the acquisition is basically described as a "shotgun wedding" forced upon UBS. Just the merger by itself would have been ITN-worthy, the circumstances make it more so. However, conflating it witb SVB et al. would be somewhat of an OR violation. Juxlos (talk) 01:54, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support altburb II per above. DecafPotato (talk) 02:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Changing my vote to supporting altburb IV per Chrisclear. DecafPotato (talk) 04:23, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The proposed blurb, oppose altblurb 1, oppose altblurb 2, oppose altblurb 3. This has no direct relation to Silicon Valley Bank, Signature Bank, or US bank failures generally. I added altblurb 4, which I support, and I would support a similar blurb that does not try to draw a dubious line between this and American banks. I also support altblurb 5. Chrisclear (talk) 10:25, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose any of the blurbs connecting this to the US banks, CS has had its own issues for months now. Dont think the acquisition is all that front-page worthy by itself either, but if there is any blurb worth posting it is only altblurb 4. nableezy - 04:15, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Added Alt V as basically every RS noted that the Swiss government was heavily involved in the deal. Juxlos (talk) 05:35, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

  Alt V also works for me. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 05:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support altburb V: Don't support burbs I to III. Readers must reach their own conclusions after reading the article, whether or not, or to what extent was the event related to US bank bailouts, and not CS's own making. — hako9 (talk) 08:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Support altblurb V - Per all of the insightful comments above. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Alt V Lets not tie this to whatever happened in the USA at SVB / Signature bank, they are seperate events. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  12:26, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

  I agree that they should not be tied, but we should be aware that the collapse of SVB did trigger a general panic around banking globally as a result. Panics are hard to document and , per RECENTISM, we should not rush to make a connection (the timing aspects can be discussed on the CS page) but we should be aware that most economic experts point to SVB as the first domino here. Masem (t) 12:39, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Per all of the above, User:Editor 5426387 (talk), 13:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support and any of these blurbs work for me. I find #3 to be brief and factual. Jusdafax (talk) 15:41, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Resigned support - I suppose given that we already posted the story about the Silicon Valley Bank's collapse, we sort of have to continue the story here on ITN, since this now has international impact. But for God's sake let's trim down the number of alt-blurbs. I support using either IV or V, none of the others, certainly not the ones referring to the U.S. bank collapses.--⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support altblurb IV or V This is a big deal, an economic disaster averted or stalled for now. MarioJump83 (talk) 16:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support altblurb V A major deal and the target articles look ready to be posted for ITN. Vida0007 (talk) 18:17, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

support Altblurb V seems like the best hook for this. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:05, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Posted. Used Altblurb V. -- tariqabjotu 21:07, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks Tariq PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:25, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Post-posting question. Has UBS "announced its intention to acquire" or actually "acquired"? If the former, then this violates the CRYSTALBALL principle and we should only post until after the acquisition is done, whatever that may mean. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 17:10, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

The Swiss government has changed the laws of the Swiss Confederation to enforce the merger between the two companies. This merger is not subject to a shareholder vote, and there is not a way for either party to pull out. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:37, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, wasn't sure at first, so it's final now. So how come the blurb reads "announces its intention to acquire" and not "acquires"? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 20:47, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

WP:CRYSTAL says: It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced. —Bagumba (talk) 04:01, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

The acquisition has happened now, so why does our blurb read "announces its intent to acquire" and not "acquires"? We should change our blurb, since I now understand that the acquistion has actually happened now.QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 15:15, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Sargassum bloom

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Article: Sargassum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Millions of tons of Sargassum (pictured) start to inundate coastlines around the Caribbean. (Post)
News source(s): Scientific American; National Geographic; CNN; Guardian; NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: It seems that these annual blooms have become a big deal since 2011 but I noticed it now because it's in the news. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:15, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose While I've seen this all over the news, it doesn't seem like a major disaster or the like, more another sign of climate change. --Masem (t) 14:37, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• Climate change is quite major. This particular aspect is affecting numerous countries and thousands of people. Compare Gualaca bus crash, which we posted last month. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:17, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Per Above --User:Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:52, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose This may well be on its way to become a big thing in around U.S. Gulf states and Caribbean, but I'm afraid that this blooming is still far away from this becoming actually disruptive and dangerous to the oceans. MarioJump83 (talk) 15:03, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Mario and Masem. Lacks current significance. The Kip (talk) 17:37, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I hope the Gulf Stream weakening doesn't let this into New York in the future. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:51, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose good faith nom per above. Might make a good DYK though. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:54, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• It's not a new article and so doesn't qualify for DYK. And DYK has no need of nominations – it has so many that it's currently having to schedule two batches of 8 every day. ITN, on the other hand, is moribund . So far today, there's just this nomination. Yesterday, no nominations at all. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:54, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  WP:SLOWCYCLE, just because there hasn't been much these last few days doesn't mean this should be posted. The Kip (talk) 19:55, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  This is not even close to a slow cycle for ITN. I remember when Christopher Lee's death got posted. I am pretty sure his body had turned to dust by time he finally rolled off the main page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:05, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  Is there a page with records like oldest image, oldest bottom blurb and oldest top blurb? Would be interesting. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:29, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  I remember a few months ago there was a two week gap between new blurbs, but there was possibly a longer break. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:25, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support It's not supposed to be a disruptive or deadly disaster, it's ocean life and it's precious after all. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:42, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

  That treaty is not in force yet. We're still waiting for member states to ratify it locally. Masem (t) 02:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

  I'm not proposing it and don't need it to tell me life is precious. I just linked it to show that technically more powerful and definitely more influential people than I agree. If I hadn't, there's a 76% chance someone would have thrown WP:ILIKEIT in my face. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:08, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

  And yes, I'm aware that about 24% of future opposers will think it more important to showcase Putin for a bit longer, because he's an adult male human life form and it's cool to hate. But in my humble opinion, this uncivilized mass of shifty asexual perennial blob is the lesser abyss to stare into. Call me a pervert. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:39, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Even though this is not on the news, decomponsimg sargassum has major impacts on marine ecosystem, fishing, health and tourism in affected areas. For these regions, this is a major ecological disaster that impacts the lives of millions of people. The article could be misleading as it does not highlight the significant damages caused by decomposing sargassum.--Maxxies (talk) 06:24, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• The article does detail the issue of decomposition. For example, in section Biological impacts, "The decomposition of large quantities of Sargassum along coastlines consumes oxygen, creating large oxygen-depleted zones resulting in fish kills. Decomposing sargassum additionally creates hydrogen sulfide gas, which causes a range of health impacts in humans. During the sargassum inundation event in 2018, 11,000 Acute Sargassum Toxicity cases were reported in an 8-month span on just the Caribbean islands of Guadalupe and Martinique."

Also, the topic is quite clearly in the news as many major media are carrying the story.

Andrew🐉(talk) 09:25, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Just because the news covers it doesn't mean it is an encyclopedic worthy story. Eg: we would have posted when the DOE talked about the lab-leak theory as every source was rushing to post about that. The fact our article states "The size of annual blooms in the Atlantic increased by over a hundred-fold, starting in 2011, as a result of factors including increased fertilizer runoff in major rivers such as the Amazon and Congo." makes this story far far less compelling because this particular bloom is largest so far. Masem (t) 12:26, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

While the article describes briefly some of the biological impacts of the decomposition of sargassum, there are no details on the health problems encountered by the population in the affected areas. It does not detail the disastrous impacts on the fishing sector, tourism or even the marine life. These inundations are recurrent and have been occurring for many years and had a very limited coverage, even less on their impacts. Thanks for nominating this important story. Maxxies (talk) 13:38, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

The entire point of ITN is to report topics which are in the news. And this topic is clearly encyclopedic too because we already had an article about it and the phenomenon is the subject of scientific study such as this. It's far more worthy of consideration than showbiz, sport, shootings and such. They are ephemeral topics while this is a developing long-term phenomenon with international significance. Science! Andrew🐉(talk) 13:52, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment if there is interest in a climate change story, IPCC just released a new report today (March 20) that, once an article has been made for it would be a good ITNC candidate. --Masem (t) 13:49, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. I have made a start above. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose lacks of general significance. Being "in the news" does not mean that "could/should be In The News". _-_Alsor (talk) 17:30, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Clearing Sargassum from a beach on the Yucatán Peninsula

• Comment – the proposed image is from 2018. DecafPotato (talk) 22:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• 2018 was a record year for this phenomenon but ITN didn't report it then. Measurements taken in January indicate that this year will be even bigger. That's in the news now and so it's a good time to let our readers know what's going on. The picture is worth a thousand words. There are perhaps other pictures which we might use (example right) so we have a choice... Andrew🐉(talk) 09:41, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

  What I mean is that readers would expect the image to depict the event (unless it's like a picture of a person), so it's misleading to make the image one that doesn't actually represent the specific blurbed event. And the other image is also from last year. Additionally, the blurbed article doesn't have any information about this specific event, unless I'm missing something. DecafPotato (talk) 20:05, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

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March 18

Portal:Current events/2023 March 18

March 18, 2023 (2023-03-18) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks on civilians in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian forces shell Kramatorsk, Donetsk Oblast, with cluster munitions, killing at least two civilians and injuring five others. (Ukrinform) Disasters and accidents 2023 Guayas earthquake A 6.8 earthquake strikes the Ecuadorian province of Guayas, damaging buildings, killing at least 18 people, including two in neighboring Peru, and injuring over 400. (The Guardian) Law and crime Shah Cheragh attack A court in Iran sentences two men to death over the October 2022 mass shooting at the Shah Cheragh mosque in Shiraz, which killed 15 people. (Al Arabiya)

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Leandro Requena scores the longest goal in soccer history

Article: Leandro Requena (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Leandro Requena scores the longest goal in soccer history (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 Count Iblis (talk) 06:43, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• Strong oppose Complete trivia. Not to be overly insulting, but as per usual Count nominations. The Kip (talk) 17:44, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Oppose and WP:SNOW close - good faith nom, but trivial as @The Kip stated. Crusader1096 (message) 18:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gloria Dea

Article: Gloria Dea (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3] [4]
Credits:

• Nominated by Vladimir.copic (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Koavf (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Vladimir.copic (talk) 22:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Short but adequate and referencing is in good shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:02, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 00:00, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

March 17

Portal:Current events/2023 March 17

March 17, 2023 (2023-03-17) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War Slovakia announces that it will donate its MiG-29 fighter jets, and supply part of its Kub air-defense system to Ukraine. (Reuters) Islamic State–Taliban conflict The Taliban kill several Islamic State – Khorasan Province insurgents and seize weapons and ammunitions during raids at hideouts in Mazar-i-Sharif, Balkh Province. (Xinhua) Disasters and accidents 2023 Turkish floods The death toll from the floods in Şanlıurfa and Adıyaman, Turkey, increases to 18. (A News) Fourteen people are killed and at least 12 others are injured by a roof collapse at a cold storage warehouse in Sambhal, Uttar Pradesh, India. (Metro) Ten people are killed and three others are injured by a house fire in Kohistan District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (AP) International relations Enlargement of NATO Finland–Turkey relations Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan announces that Turkey will begin the process of ratifying Finland's membership of NATO without Sweden, which Turkey accuses of supporting the PKK. (Yle) Finland–Hungary relations Hungary announces that a vote on Finland's membership application will take place on March 27. Fidesz parlimentary group leader Máté Kocsis says that Sweden's application will be considered at a later date. (AFP via Barron's) Law and crime Russian invasion of Ukraine ICC arrest warrants for Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova The International Criminal Court issues an arrest warrant for Russian president Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova, presidential commissioner for children's rights, for alleged war crimes involving the abduction and forced adoption of children from Ukraine. (AP) Science and technology Censorship of TikTok, Internet censorship in New Zealand New Zealand bans the use of Chinese-owned video sharing app TikTok on all government devices. (The Guardian)

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(Posted) RD: Lance Reddick

Article: Lance Reddick (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Uproxx Deadline Hollywood AP
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Better sources on the way. The Kip (talk) 19:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

All sources I see right now point back to TMZ, so this should be still dubious. Masem (t) 19:25, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Now we have a non TMZ source (Deadline Hollywood) --Masem (t) 19:32, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

AP now confirming as well. The Kip (talk) 20:53, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment The body is well sourced, but the filmographies etc need sourcing. --Masem (t) 00:54, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Incredible career, very sad news. Support this nomination.--SitcomyFan (talk) 08:04, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support,Article is fine. Alex-h (talk) 15:36, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  Full citations are still needed on all filmography tables. They are partially done at this point. Masem (t) 17:50, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Films now fully sourced, some additional citations needed for TV and video game roles however. The Kip (talk) 15:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Looks good enough Ollieisanerd (talk) 16:42, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Filmography fully sourced. Should be good to go. The Kip (talk) 18:55, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support – thank you everyone for the referencing work! ~~lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 21:11, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 21:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) ICC arrest warrant for Putin

Article: Vladimir Putin (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The International Criminal Court issues an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin on war crimes charges. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Russian President Vladimir Putin and Commissioner for Children's Rights Maria Lvova-Belova for suspected involvement in the abduction of children from Ukraine.
News source(s): The Guardian BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Red-tailed hawk (talk · give credit) and The Account 2 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Not updated yet but surely will soon be. Appreciate we have the ongoing link but this seems a major development - Dumelow (talk) 15:30, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support on the merits but I wonder if the "on war crimes charges" should be removed, given that it's only a charge. 331dot (talk) 15:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Furthermore, absent a revolution in Russia it is doubtful Putin (and the other person charged, the Children's rights official) will ever see the inside of an ICC courtroom or even be arrested. 331dot (talk) 15:36, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support in principle, but not ready. Wow, that was unexpected. There's no chance of Putin being arrested any time soon, but this is still a big deal in international relations. We don't normally post mere arrest warrants, but for Putin I think we should make an WP:IAR exception. The problem is getting a suitable update somewhere - I don't think a couple of sentences in Putin's long biography article is particularly helpful to readers. Is there one of the Ukraine war articles that could be updated? Or a new article started? Modest Genius ^talk 15:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Update: the altblurb is good and the new target article has a small but sufficient update. Seems postable now. Modest Genius ^talk 16:59, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Comment: would War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine be a possible link here? Masem (t) 15:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Child abductions in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine is another possibility once it's updated. I've suggested an altblurb also naming the second suspect - Dumelow (talk) 15:52, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes that would be a good option - it gives context on the specific crime, rather than a general biography (I think most readers will already know who Putin is). Modest Genius ^talk 15:58, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Wasn't aware that one existed but agreed that is more appropriate to the specific charge in place. Masem (t) 16:01, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Conditional & Reluctant Support Normally I would oppose a report of war crimes charges as I think they should be covered by ongoing and singling out an individual in a blurb based on a charge only, could raise BLP issues. However, this is Putin himself and that puts things on an entirely different level. The main problem at the moment is that this needs to be substantially expanded. Ideally it should be the subject of its own article. As of right now, this cannot be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Vladimir Putin arrest warrant is now an article. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:28, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Weak support - unprecedented act indeed, but let's be honest, the ICC knows that the chance of this warrant being carried out is extremely low, and will almost certainly come with major escalation. This is at least in part a virtue signal. Crusader1096 (message) 15:54, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support based on the importance, international coverage and quality of the articles. This is simply unprecedented. --NoonIcarus (talk) 15:54, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• dont really know whats unprecedented about the ICC issuing an unenforceable warrant, but plenty of heads of state have been charged previously. This has next to no chance of doing anything, as the Russians would likely react similar to what the US would do. It is in the news though, but all the same, covered by ongoing and of little impact. nableezy - 16:09, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Can somebody please tell me what is unprecedented about this? I guess a warrant against the head of state of a UNSC permanent member, but again several heads of state were indicted while they were heads of state for actions in an ongoing armed conflict. Off the top of my head Omar Bashir for crimes against humanity in Darfur. Gaddafi for the Libyan Civil War. Russia isnt a signatory to the Rome Statute, this is effectively a press release. nableezy - 16:57, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  I'd say that a warrant against the head of state of a UNSC permanent member is both entirely unprecedented and significant. I think that's where the minds of most people in support of posting this are. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:08, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  I tend to think ICC issues unenforceable warrant against target that will never be brought to trial unless there is a regime change being a non-event and not at all unprecedented, but thats just me I guess. nableezy - 17:33, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Given the precedent cited below on Bashir and Gaddafi being posted when indicted then my objections are lessened, though this still is indeed covered by ongoing. nableezy - 20:25, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support significant development in the Ukraine war, and the ICC is the global body for prosecuting war crimes. While it may seem that the odds of carrying out the warrant are low right now, many former heads of state have been arrested and prosecuted years afterwards. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose. Almost certain to amount to nothing seeing as there's basically no chance Putin ever shows up to face these charges. If Putin does eventually come before such a court and is found guilty however? Now that's ITN material. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  The ICC issuing arrest warrants in general is uncommon, never mind against the leader of a major world power engaged in warfare against another country, for conduct in said war. 331dot (talk) 16:33, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support alternative blurb. This is unprecedented in the history of the ICC, and it is extremely significant in that the head of state of a P5 country is being charged. I like the focus on the article relating to the abductions, though both that article and Putin's biography are now updated to include this information, which was absent at the time of the nom. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 16:18, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support alt blurb - there are two items which lack references, but this is not serious enough to prevent it being posted. Mjroots (talk) 16:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  I think I've fixed the reference issues; please let me know if there is anything else that needs fixing. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 16:50, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  @Red-tailed hawk: - last paragraph of "Reactions" needs a ref. Mjroots (talk) 17:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Support blurb - Unprecedented in ICC history, major development in the war.

The head of state of a nuclear power having an arrest warrant from the largest criminal court in the world is big news. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Support alt blurb Major news, think its good to include Maria Lvova-Belova in the blurb and important to note that the charges relate to the alleged abduction of children. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  16:51, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Support blurb Major international event Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:52, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Support – Unprecented and major enough to be posted regardless of the 'ongoing' (like we did for the annexations last year). DecafPotato (talk) 17:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Posted altblurb in a slightly more concise form. Image can be added once it is protected on Commons. Sandstein 17:34, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  @Sandstein: Just as a quick WP:BLPCRIME note, I think we should probably use the less concise version; something like "alleged involvement in" or "suspected involvement in" seems more compliant with that policy than the thing that got posted. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:54, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  In my view, "arrest warrant" implies that they are accused, not yet convicted of crimes. If other admins disagree, feel free to adjust, but "involvement in" is euphemistic; they are accused of ordering these crimes. Sandstein 18:16, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Would "allegedly ordering" work better? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:52, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Actually, one would need to look at the arrest warrants to determine what specifically their respective relation to the abductions is alleged to be. That would complicate the blurb and make it overlong. Sandstein 19:14, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  @Sandstein: Could you link Vladimir Putin arrest warrant? Seems to be the root article for this topic. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:09, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Still a very new article that needs community examination before posting it to the front page. Sandstein 19:13, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  That article is absolutely unnecessary, making too much fine grain on the level of detail we should cover. Put it with Child abductions in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine instead. Masem (t) 19:11, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting oppose per Nableezy. A nuclear power answers to no courthouse. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  I don't see how that's relevant, and nuclear powers UK and France are members of the ICC 331dot (talk) 18:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting oppose. Not really relevant given that Russia (and even the US) don't recognise this court. Also no chance anything will come of it, and we already have a line item in Ongoing for everything related to the Ukraine war.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:33, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Post-posting oppose. This is not really ITN worthy as it has no real world significance. It is very unlikely this will result in any real world action in the next month. On the off chance something comes of it, it will come months or years down the line and we should post that if it ever happens. Aure entuluva (talk) 18:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC) (Striking in line with extended-confirmed restriction of WP:GS/RUSUKR.) — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:55, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose (edit conflict)

1. "First catch your bear"
2. Today there were lots of high profile news stories that "China's Xi to meet Putin in Moscow next week". Why are we not reporting that too as it seems more likely to actually happen?
3. And there were lots of news stories about Russia downing a US drone.
4. But we already have Russian invasion of Ukraine in Ongoing to cover the numerous and various news stories arising from this conflict. How is this different?
5. WP:PERP says "A living person accused of a crime is presumed not guilty unless and until the contrary is decided by a court of law."

Andrew🐉(talk) 18:38, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Presidents meeting each other is a routine activity. International courts issuing warrants for permanent members of the UN Security Council who are engaged in open warfare is not routine. 331dot (talk) 19:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Cyclones, floods and other disasters are routine. Elections of national leaders are routine. Sporting events are routine. And yet we post all these. What's supposed to matter is significance and Xi's meeting with Putin seems more significant than the ICC because China is a superpower and the ICC isn't. Neither China nor Russia nor the USA is a signatory to the ICC. Even the Ukraine hasn't ratified it. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:38, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome to nominate Xi's visit and check out opinions. As for ICC's arrest warrants, regardless of enforceability and bureaucratic obstacles, this is a major public degradation of Putin's international standing that would enter history textbooks as a symbol of everyone's equality before the law, regardless of ranks, and determination to seek justice at the highest possible level. That alone is sufficient for a blurb. Brandmeister^talk 22:37, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Here's a report which ties the two together: How a warrant for Putin puts new spin on Xi visit to Russia. There's lots of posturing and speculation so it's still a long way from the history books and still seems best at Ongoing. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:28, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting support - it doesn't really matter whether or not something will come of it. What does matter is that it's making news around the world and is unprecedented to boot. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 18:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Per above, still, WTF happened? - User:Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting support. Obviously there will be little to no immediate practical effect barring a dramatic Russian collapse, but an ICC warrant is significant and news in and of itself. ITN has blurbed both previous ICC warrants of sitting world leaders: Omar al-Bashir [5] and Muammar Gaddaffi. [6] al-Bashir's trial still has not occured, though after the 2019 coup, he might be handed over to the ICC. Gaddaffi of course, was killed in the war, so never stood trial. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting support ICC warrants for heads of state are highly uncommon, let alone the leader of a UNSC permanent member. The Kip (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting support It doesn't matter that nothing will probably come of it. The ICC is widely recognised worldwide, even by those who don't recognise its jurisdiction over their own country. It's an arrest warrant for a major current world leader. It's clearly notable news. -- KTC (talk) 19:55, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Really??? As far as I can tell there are exactly two sentences in the bolded article about this, plus one in the lead. That is completely inadequate coverage for an ITN blurb and to the best of my recollection has never been considered acceptable in the past. We need to slow down and actually look at what we are linking. ITN is not a news ticker and we should not be lowering, or simply ignoring our standards just because something is grabbing headlines. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:59, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  ...or we can be responsive to what happens in the world and remain relevant. I would urge you to review the stated purpose of ITN for which this IMHO checks at least three of the boxes. Quality can always be improved, but perfect should not be the enemy of good. 331dot (talk) 20:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  In other words, we should become a news ticker? -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:30, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  No, we should

  -help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news.

  -showcase quality Wikipedia content on current events.

  -point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them.

  -emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource.

  If you disagree with these things, I believe you know where the discussion page is. 331dot (talk) 20:33, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting support A significant action by a respected organization with great moral weight against Putin’s crimes.-TenorTwelve (talk) 23:08, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Untested allegations against two living people, tiny update and covered by Ongoing. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:20, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Post-posting support - The ICC has never made an arrest warrant against a (sitting) head of state. As others have said, it doesn't matter if a trial occurs (which it almost certainly will not), it's still important nonetheless. Estar8806 (talk) 23:26, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Untrue. Multiple times untrue. nableezy - 23:28, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Every criminal suspect deserves a fair trial. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:48, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

This is the most annoying part of the BLP correction from every unsourced tidbit should be retained cus it may in fact be verifiable of yesteryear to today's unambiguous facts should be suppressed because other future things may not be true. It is unambiguously true that an arrest warrant was issued for Putin by the ICC on these charges, and no future trial, conviction, acquittal or anything else would change that from being true. nableezy - 23:51, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

It's the for the abduction of children from Ukraine part I find prejudicial. That's the charge. The two never-to-be defendants weren't neccesssarily served the warrant for actually abducting children. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:13, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting support. I am not really surprised but still disgusted by the number of Putin's defenders who came out of the woodwork here. Shameful. Nsk92 (talk) 00:36, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

  If you're referring to me, you've got it wrong, I did the same for Lvova-Belova and I'd do the same for you. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:44, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose since when did we start posting arrests instead of convictions? Banedon (talk) 01:00, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

  Since when did we consider an Event article that only has Background and Reactions "ready"? Since now, bud. This is yet another stupid fucking precedent to have to remember we threw on the pile, like the Mandela/Thatcher Standard, Lebrongate or WP:MINIMUMDEATHS. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:40, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

  I'm sure I'll get killed for this but I actually think the LeBron record will go down as more significant. This is DYK material here. The fact that the arrests are likely getting merged into the abductions article substantiates the fact that in-actionable warrants such as these are footnotes in a much larger story. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:16, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

  If anyone wants to kill you, they'll have to get through me next! LeBron setting an all-time NBA scoring record is still a bigger deal than yet another Putin hater trying to hurt him with words. As are the facts that Nelson Mandela and Margaret Thatcher are dead (I don't think anyone here really still cares that 197 died in this suicide bombing or 306 in that flood, though). InedibleHulk (talk) 05:41, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

  Correction: The current event article was never even the target for this In The News fiasco. Just Putin and missing children. Two things that have already happened. At least it got his picture on the front page. That'll show him. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:50, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. It's an entirely symbolic move, as acknowledged by all parties, and there's virtually no chance that an arrest will follow it. Not the sort of thing we should post at ITN – we shouldn't just consider whether an event is unprecedented, but whether it has real consequences or the potential to. — Goszei (talk) 03:09, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting oppose per @Goszei, @Banedon, @InedibleHulk Evan224 (talk) 03:55, 18 March 2023 (UTC) (Striking in line with extended-confirmed restriction of WP:GS/RUSUKR.) — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:03, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Pull Firstly Ongoing exists for a reason. We should also not be throwing out BLP in any case, these are still just charges not a conviction (Bashir and Gaddafi might have been posted but those were a decade ago; regardless mistakes should not be repeated). Gotitbro (talk) 05:32, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

  There's no BLP involved here. Saying X has an arrest warrant for crime Y does not say X committed crime Y. And while this is just charges, this is for one of the top world leaders. Masem (t) 14:18, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

  While formal indictments might be included in articles without BLP violations, it is something else to feature these on the main page through ITN. All the recent indictment noms for politicians et al have been shot down at ITN, with an ask for formal convictions. I don't see why we need to move away from precedent, opening a Pandora's box whenever some high profile person gets charged. Gotitbro (talk) 19:22, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

  Clearly this case with Putin falls into the IAR-type territory due to the ongoing war and Putin's and Russia's position. We also know any trial is unlikely to happen, so waiting until the results of that highly unlikely trial would be pointless. So this is an IAR-type area.

  We are going to have to think about this as next week, it is expected that NY State will arrest Trump on various charges. There may be other reasons to post (Trump is calling for his supporters to revolt, so we may have significant protests that would be appropriate), but there is something to be said about the arrest of a former President. Masem (t) 19:51, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

  Actual arrests and mere arrest warrants require different assessments (though I would not support either). Gotitbro (talk) 10:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting support Posting the arrest warrants for Gaddafi & al-Bashir set a precedent for posting this & the arrest warrant for Putin is even more notable since he’s the leader of a UNSC permanent member state. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:27, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting support - Historic decision. Clearly appropriate for ITN, even if there is not a huge amount of update about it.BabbaQ (talk) 10:51, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting support - For a head of state to be wanted for war crimes is clearly a signficant development in international relations. I know it's not unique, but that's not a barrier here. And I support the detailed blurb used; there's no BLP violation in specifying the nature of the charges for which the accused are wanted. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:12, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• I brought this up on ERRORS, but the current blurb is absolutely a BLP violation. The arrest warrant is not for "abducting" children, it is, according to the ICC news release, for the unlawful deportation and transfer of Ukrainian children from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation. The current blurb is both inaccurate and a BLP violation and needs to be corrected. nableezy - 15:50, 18 March 2023 (UTC)]

Unlawful deportation is abduction. This is 'you don't need to cite that the sky is blue. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:35, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

No it is not. The crime here is the unlawful transfer of civilians in to or out of occupied territory. Abduction in the Rome Statute is about forced disappearances, not transferring civilians in to or out of occupied territory. And yes, this is definitely something that needs to be cited, and BLP applies to Vladimir Putin as well as every other living person. I dare say that our BLP policy's main purpose is to protect the people we dislike the most from our biases. nableezy - 19:24, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Also, you may not participate in this discussion due to the extended confirmed restriction applied to the topic area. nableezy - 19:25, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for multiple reasons. Firstly, the ICC isn't a global judicial authority as the ICJ, which is a UN organ, and this view has recently gained support with the numerous controversies surrounding its work. Note that Russia and the United States withdrew from the Rome Statute, whereas China, India, Indonesia and Turkey have never signed it. These countries make up almost a half of world's total population and include three of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council. Secondly, it's been a long-standing practice that we post convictions, not arrest warrants or arrests, so this posting practically violates both WP:BLP and WP:PERP. Thirdly, the updates in both articles on the people involved are too short and don't indicate that they've committed the alleged crimes. A reader of Maria Lvova-Belova would guess that she rescued a 15-year-old boy given that she's a mother of 5 biological and 18 adopted children. There's absolutely nothing about why that adoption is considered abduction. How the boy's parents and relatives reacted? Did the they file a lawsuit? These are highly relevant questions that should be addressed in the article. Fourthly, this is covered by the ongoing item.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:51, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• And this is the problem with using "abduction" when the charge is not that. It makes one think kidnapping. The charge is the unlawful transfer of civilians from occupied territory. nableezy - 16:02, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support—The ICC issuing an arrest warrant for a current, former, and in one case future head of government and/or state is not unprecedented. In the past, they've indicted Omar al-Bashir (Sudan), Muammar Gaddafi (Libya), Laurent Gbagbo (Ivory Coast), and Uhuru Kenyatta (Kenya). Out of the four, the only one who ever spent any time behind bars in the Hague is Gbagbo, and he was ultimately acquitted of all charges in 2018. Gaddafi was killed before he could stand trial, the charges against Kenyatta were dropped due to alleged witness tampering in Kenya, and Bashir is supposed to be transferred into ICC custody from Sudan, but the status of his impending extradition is in limbo. So, suffice it to say, the ICC has had a... less-than-stellar record when it comes to prosecuting and convicting heads of state. Nevertheless, the symbolic significance of issuing an arrest warrant for the leader of Russia—either the second or third most powerful country in the world, depending on how you rank China—should not be understated. Kurtis ^(talk) 20:03, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose— More or less a symbolic move, the war is already featured in the ongoing section and int'l news outlets seem to have already moved on to other incidents of this war, mostly. DogeChungus (talk) 09:18, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment - Has anyone looked at the featured article lately? After a quick look there are multiple broken references, and some interesting sentences (the construct "sometimes maybe" looks especially strange in an article discussing war crimes). Since it's protected, there isn't much I can do about them. 51.154.145.205 (talk) 12:24, 19 March 2023 (UTC) (Striking in line with extended-confirmed restriction of WP:GS/RUSUKR.)

• In my movie script, Putin is arrested and taken to the Hague to be put on trial, where he reveals that Donald Trump granted him American citizenship. Whereupon American commandos launch a daring raid to rescue him. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:05, 19 March 2023 (UTC) This is WP:NOTAFORUM DecafPotato (talk) 22:49, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting oppose 1.-Already in ongoing. 2.-Unfortunately, it's an order that cannot be fulfilled 3.-If we have hardly posted arrests or indictments, it makes no sense to post arrest warrant issues now. Only Putin's conviction for crimes against humanity would be ITN-worthy. . _-_Alsor (talk) 22:21, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment. File:Встреча с Уполномоченным по правам ребёнка Марией Львовой-Беловой 03.jpg shows both Putin and Lvova-Belova. Might it be better to use this picture than one merely of Putin? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 22:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

(Removed) Ongoing Removal: Cyclone Freddy

Article: Cyclone Freddy (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: The article is in past tense. Seems to be over. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:01, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support I think that's really all we need, so sure, I think we should remove it.

Palmtreegames, Looking for a better signature. (talk) 15:18, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: As stated in the nom below, we were waiting for the death toll to stop increasing so rapidly before removing it. 111 more bodies were recovered just yesterday between Malawi and Mozambique. The storm is considered dissipated as soon as the low-level center can't be tracked or the agencies simply decide to stop tracking it and the article transitions to past tense. This is regardless of whether or not the remnants still exist and are still causing flooding. In this case, heavy rainfall is still occurring over the flooded areas and floods haven't begun to recede as of the latest reports. Noah^Talk 15:34, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Pull While heavy rain is still falling and floods are still killing people, the cyclone itself has "dissipated". This is part of the reason why ongoing is honestly inappropriate for tropical cyclones. They are "finished" as soon as they degrade enough that agencies don't bother tracking them anymore. We can't keep this here forever while the hunt for survivors and remains is conducted. As far as Meteo France and the Joint Typhoon Warning Center are concerned, the disaster ended on March 14–15 when they ceased tracking it. Noah^Talk 16:26, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support. No longer ongoing. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 16:34, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Per above - User:Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  @Curbon7: keep your $5. :P MarioJump83 (talk) 23:53, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  C’mon, when will they give a good reason to their vote? Tails Wx 23:54, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Removed Stephen 22:09, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing: World Baseball Classic

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2023 World Baseball Classic (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by 2600:1700:31BA:9410:9CE6:94D8:E140:7B1E (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 2600:1700:31BA:9410:9CE6:94D8:E140:7B1E (talk) 04:56, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

The tournament is ITN/R but doesn't need to be ongoing. We'll have the article ready to post after the final game concludes on Tuesday. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:59, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Needs work A typical sports article with lots of flags and scores and tables and not much else. And there are other issues such as the use of future tense. And it doesn't seem suitable for Ongoing as it's nearly over. And there's an issue with some of the teams which are rather phony. For example, though baseball originated in Britain, the game has died out there and is only played by a tiny number of amateurs. And just about none of these are on the roster for the so-called GB team which seems to have been packed with ringers. These claim to be British in the same way that Boris Johnson was American – a technicality of birth or parentage. But they are really Americans who play in the US, right? The article doesn't explain this. The sport has generally struggled to establish itself as an international sport, having been removed from the Olympics, and so this shaky background needs explaining. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

While the odd team composition is all interesting to bring up, I don't see any of that as being necessary to establish the prose of the article unless it's something specific to WBC 2023. Most of what you are describing seems to be an issue with the competition in general rather than its yearly iterations. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:08, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Too soon. The tournament is only at the quarter-final stage and doesn't conclude until Tuesday (which is a weird day to hold the final, why wouldn't it get a prime weekend slot?). I suggest you withdraw this nomination and come back once they tournament is actually completed. The article will need referenced prose - not just tables - describing what happened at the tournament, during the final etc. Modest Genius ^talk 12:03, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

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(Needs attention) Ongoing: 2023 French pension reform strikes

Article: 2023 French pension reform strikes (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)

 ~ Rushtheeditor (talk) 00:02, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Not enough substantial editing activity to be ongoing Noah^Talk 00:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Speedy SNOW close Article is on the verge of being a stub, and also has 11 edits in the past week on it. This is not Ongoing worthy. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 00:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  How does this meet the criteria for WP:SPEEDY and WP:SNOW? Just because an article is a stub doesn't mean that it can't be posted, and whose to say that there won't be an uptick in edit activity? Additionally, you can't invoke the snowball clause for only two opposes. Crusader1096 (message) 02:03, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  We dont post things to ongoing on the chance that there will be an uptick in editing activity. That is getting into WP:CRYSTAL territory there. A blurb would be more appropriate as Masem has said below once the article is updated enough. Noah^Talk 02:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  It isn't WP:Crystal to wait until an article is expanded. WP:SNOW is becoming stupidly overused at this point. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Anybody who calls for WP:SNOW and is wrong/prematurely early should have any of their future calls for WP:SNOW struck through, in my opinion. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

  Agreed. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:11, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Probably this should be first improved but brought as a blurb - the decision by Macron to push through the retirement age bill today is causing a newfound round of protests, which have been covered by the news (they ahve been a million strong at times). --Masem (t) 01:17, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Wait per @Masem. Crusader1096 (message) 02:03, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Blurb when ready - Generating a lot of media coverage and the scale of the protests is blurb-worthy, but the article needs improvement. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  07:43, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Support - expanded and regularly updated. Should be posted immediately. Crusader1096 (message) 18:41, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• Note that the article has an orange maintenance tag. Schwede66 09:30, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support: Article's expanding; I've dealt with the maintenance tag. RAN1 (talk) 12:01, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Not ready: this might be significant enough to post, but the article is pure WP:PROSELINE. It doesn't even explain why the protests are happening - just one sentence saying it's related to pension age - or why the government is attempting to bring in these reforms. What's there is well-referenced, but it needs to explain the causes of the protests. Modest Genius ^talk 12:08, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support when updated per above. The Kip (talk) 19:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support as its definitely ongoing and the article looks very good and ready to post. Flyingfishee (talk) 03:13, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Definitely not ongoing, maybe blurb - This is In The News, and is getting bigger and bigger (especially as it's about an issue that will only become more relevant as demographics in the western world age), so I could hear arguments for its notability, but we post a blurb first, and if by the time the blurb has rolled off the event is still ongoing, then we can post it to ongoing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:50, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support: the page quality is acceptable and it's receiving updates. The incident has been ongoing for at least two month and It had to be on the main page sooner than this. The incident is statewide, serious and ongoing. Still making news and further protests are announced [7]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhhossein (talk • contribs) 06:31, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support, The strike is ongoing and the article is OK. Alex-h (talk) 15:32, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
• Article is tagged for update and expansion Stephen 02:14, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Support - Ongoing strikes are getting significant enough coverage for ITN for some time now, makes sense for ongoing. Estar8806 (talk) 02:28, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support It's a pretty major thing occurring over in France, and don't see it stopping anytime soon. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 17:52, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Laura Valenzuela

Article: Laura Valenzuela (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Vanguardia, El País, Hola
Credits:

• Nominated by Alexcalamaro (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Very popular Spanish actress and presenter. Alexcalamaro (talk) 20:29, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Fully sourced and ready.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:52, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• Strong Support per above. Rushtheeditor (talk) 23:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:10, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

March 16

Portal:Current events/2023 March 16

March 16, 2023 (2023-03-16) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War Poland announces that it will deliver four MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine, becoming the first NATO member state to send warplanes to Ukraine. (Sky News) Israeli–Palestinian conflict Two militants including Islamic Jihad and Hamas commanders and two civilians are killed and five others are injured during a raid by Israeli security forces in the Jenin refugee camp, in the West Bank. (The Jerusalem Post) (Al Jazeera) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Eight militants and two civilian children are killed during a military operation by the Pakistan Army in Zinghara, South Waziristan. (Xinhua) Libyan Crisis The Libyan National Army says that it has found about two and a half tonnes of uranium ore contained in ten drums, near the border with Chad, that was reported missing by the International Atomic Energy Agency. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2022–23 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season Cyclone Freddy The death toll from Cyclone Freddy increases to over 300, with most of the deaths occurring in Malawi. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Two police officers are killed by a 16-year-old gunman while responding to a domestic dispute call at an apartment complex in Inglewood, Edmonton, Canada. The perpetrator kills himself after seriously wounding his mother. (CBC News) Over 220 Brazilian National Guardsmen are deployed to the northeastern states of Rio Grande do Norte and Paraíba after riots caused by imprisoned gang members result in three deaths and class cancellations in both states. (AP) Politics and elections 2023 French pension reform strikes French President Emmanuel Macron invokes a Constitutional amendment allowing him to circumvent the National Assembly in order to pass a controversial reform bill raising the retirement age in the country from 62 to 64, without the bill going to a vote. (The New York Times) The Moldovan parliament approves a law that formally declares the country's official language as Romanian. (Reuters) Science and technology Censorship of TikTok, Internet censorship in the United Kingdom The British government bans the use of Chinese-owned video-sharing app TikTok on all government devices, citing security concerns. (Sky News)

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(Posted) RD: Jacqueline Gold

Article: Jacqueline Gold (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 18:13, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Weak Support That's Jacqueline Summers Gold, by the way, once hailed as the 16th richest woman in Britain and former chair of three apparently leadworthy companies (two notable). The article needs more pronouns, or at least to refer to her by her cool and only slightly longer surname. I'd do it, but I don't want to. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:15, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• support - Sourced and ready. Looks ok.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:01, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support - go for it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:13, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Meets the criteria for posting. Jusdafax (talk) 21:29, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 07:07, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

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