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March 19

How to specify multiple locations using sfnp?

I noticed that Padre Pio had multiple error messages in the references, saying "sfnp error: multiple targets (2×): CITEREFCastelli2011". These arose from code such as the following: {{sfnp|Castelli|2011|pp=20, 100ff, 139ff}}. The author is trying to refer to multiple locations in that source, but when I look at the documentation for {{sfnp}}, it does not seem to cater for this situation. I have tried a couple of ideas, including "|loc=pp.20, 100ff, 139ff" without luck, and unfortunately the error message does not show up in Preview so I only see it when I publish. I don't want to continue with trial and error on the published page - is there a way to refer to those multiple locations? Gronk Oz (talk) 02:04, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

It's not about the pages, it's about the number of possible Castelli 2011s that the citation could point toward. I'd recommend removing the full citation to Castelli (#5 currently) and leaving the §Sources entry as the only possible target. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:08, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, @Firefangledfeathers: I figured that while you were typing and it is fixed now! Sorry for wasting your time. --Gronk Oz (talk) 02:23, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

There's always the option of not referring to page numbers in the reference and using {{rp}} immediately whenever it's cited to show which pages are being sourced. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:35, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: LOL. Thanks, but last time I did that it got reverted (twice) because the other editor was adamant that it was ugly beyond anything that could be tolerated. In any case, I agree that would have been a good option this time except that the problem turned out to be something else.--Gronk Oz (talk) 12:54, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Help me

I am editing post East Asian cultural sphere, I just want to say that Vietnam is not really part of Sinosphere. I can't really find a proper source to substantiate this. But I dare say this because the classification of Vietnam in Sinosphere is controversial. The Vietnamese were divided into 3 camps, one pro-Vietnam faction classified as Sinosphere, one pro-Vietnam faction classified as Indosphere, the other saying that Vietnam was a mixture of Sinosphere and Indosphere. I don't know what to do. The pro-Vietnam faction belongs to Sinosphere because they love Chinese culture and especially because they are infected with toxic Chinese cultures such as movies and comics, The pro-Vietnam side belongs to Indosphere because they hate China, the rest are neutral. In addition, the original culture of Vietnam is the Dong Son culture and many other cultures before being invaded by China. If anyone knows about Vietnam, please help me find a source to prove that Vietnam does not belong to Sinosphere, I am grateful to that person. 27.3.1.242 (talk) 02:06, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not here to help you "prove" anything. If there are two or more conflicting viewpoints that are both supported by reliable sources, then the article should reflect all of the viewpoints, and point out that there is a conflict. as far as Wikipedia is concerned, there is not one "correct" viewpoint. Please discuss this on the article's talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 02:34, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Internal project discussions

Do internal project discussions for purposes of WP:ECR include formal merge discussions? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:36, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Removal

I would like to know why my info from the Kelly Severide Page keeps getting removed when it is nothing but accurate and I have documentation to prove it. Dsummjr11 (talk) 05:25, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Materialscientist, care to comment? No edit summaries at [1]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:40, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Er...and marking reversions as minor? Um...I would think a reversion of a well-intentioned addition, even a problematic one, is never a minor edit. Valereee (talk) 18:23, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Dsummjr11. It looks to me as if you have been adding information unsupported by a source. You say you have "documentation" to prove it. Provided this documentation is a reliable source by Wikipedia's definition, you can add the information, properly cited to the source. ColinFine (talk) 13:05, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Well Colinfine if you understand the show you would know that he has had many love Interests in the show and his fandom page as well as all the updated info for that. Dsummjr11 (talk) 19:15, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Dsummjr11, a fandom page is likely crowdsourced and therefore not considered by WP to be a WP:reliable source. If you add content without any source, it's quite likely to be immediately removed. Ditto a bad source. Valereee (talk) 19:22, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

You have your opinion and I have mine I just know I have seen every season and episode and know what are the facts and what are false. I am just making sure they are accurate information Dsummjr11 (talk) 19:24, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I am not doubting your knowledge. What I am telling you is that your own knowledge is not good enough for Wikipedia. Valereee (talk) 19:50, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Dsummjr11 Verifiability is a major part of Wikipedia. A reader should be able to follow your references to see the source information for themselves. Writing "what you know" is not acceptable, as Valereee said. Besides, if everyone "understands the show" the way you do, there would be no need for an article. David10244 (talk) 20:50, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Dsummjr11, when you find someone is reverting your edits, go to the talk page Talk:Kelly Severide and open a discussion. Don't just keep re-adding them, as you can end up blocked for edit-warring. Discussing is always necessary. Valereee (talk) 18:35, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Linking within an article

I tried to link to another section from Montana (disambiguation)#Naval vessels, but it doesn't work. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:16, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

If you didn't use Template:Anchor for this purpose, try it. -- Hoary (talk) 08:03, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:14, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I hope it works now, Clarityfiend . . . but does it? -- Hoary (talk) 08:58, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

The link had a typo, fixed in [2]. You don't need an anchor to link to a section heading. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:22, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

where is my article in queue

About five weeks ago I submitted an article on William Thompson Boos (1943-2014). As far as I know, it had been deemed appropriate in other ways, but because I am related to the subject I needed to fill out a conflict of interest form, which I did. However, I haven't heard back. It's o. k. if it's taking a while, but I don't want it to be lost in the queue. Could you kindly check to be sure it hasn't been lost?

Many thanks.

Florence S. Boos (talk) 07:16, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Florence S. Boos, per the template at the top of Draft:William Thompson Boos, "Submission declined on 9 February 2023". See WP:TUTORIAL on how to add reference correctly, the text-sections needs work on that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:43, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

. . . and you haven't submitted it since 9 February. There's another problem. It's not just that the material in the draft is linked in a very odd way to its source, it's the source itself. Most of the article is sourced to this piece in the Iowa City Press-Citizen. The latter sounds like a newspaper, so I expect to see a newspaper article. However, it doesn't read like an editorial obituary; it reads instead like something submitted to the ICPC by a member or friend of the family. The other examples of obituaries linked from and sampled at this page are more obviously submitted by a member or friend of the family (or perhaps a writer for hire); at the foot of the page we read "Iowa City Press-Citizen is not responsible for screening, editing or verifying obituary content submitted. The submitter is solely responsible for all such content." And so the ICPC piece doesn't seem to me to be a reliable source. -- Hoary (talk) 08:01, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Florence, also please read WP:NOTABILITY and Wikipedia:Notability (people). What we need are three sources that represent significant coverage in an independent reliable sources. That's how we show a subject is notable, which is the minimum requirement for having an article about that subject. More sources isn't better; to help assess, we'd like to know which three (not four, not ten) are the best for supporting a claim to notability. Do not skip reading the links above. Notability is literally the crucial piece you're trying to prove right now, and from a brief look at that article almost nothing is independent. It all looks like it was either written by him or written/edited by you or another family member. Valereee (talk) 18:06, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Valereee: To be pedantic, WP:THREE is an essay that strongly recommends three sources when awaiting draft review. It's (in my opinion) invaluable advice, but by no means is it needed by virtue of being policy or a guideline. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:34, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Sure, just trying to give the simplest possible info to someone with 23 edits. Three instances of sigcov in independent RS, at least two of which are non-local/non-niche publications, will get over the notability hump for almost all subjects. Fewer than three, unless extremely strong indeed, are always going to be at risk of rejection/AfD. Valereee (talk) 18:52, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Valeree. I appreciate this helpful advice, since I'm not certain what to do next. My subject was a professor and publisher of academic articles and a book, but I'm not sure of how to find independent sources beyond listing his publications and degrees. The academic publications are of course in non-local professional sources, both national and international. What would you suggest? Florence S. Boos (talk) 22:03, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, not every professor is notable. What we need to see is sources that prove this particular one notable: significant coverage in reliable independent sources. Which are the best three sources that would represent significant coverage in independent reliable sources? In addition to the links above you can also look at WP:NACADEMIC, which discusses how academics are a different case.

I know this is all very confusing, and I apologize for that. We have a lot of policy. Valereee (talk) 23:26, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Florence S. Boos, when a professor dies, it's not unusual for an academic journal with which they were closely associated to publish a brief article about him. And periodicals may publish obituaries written (and signed) by other academics working in related areas. These would be usable. -- Hoary (talk) 23:53, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh, and also: Academics do have other ways to be proven notable, generally involving having made an important contribution to their field. Generally this is proven by things like how often they were cited by other academics, or whether a textbook they wrote was widely used. Often Google Scholar can give you a clue about that, but I'm not finding an entry for him. Valereee (talk) 13:42, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Automatically Expanding All Sections

Wikipedia has been automatically expanding all sections when I read content on my phone. I'm using the browser version on an iPhone, I am signed in, and I've reverted to the classic vector legacy 2010 skin because the new one has a completely unacceptable layout. Whenever I open an article all of the sections automatically expand, making it annoying to find the information I'm after. Additionally, I am no longer able to locate the "expand all pages" setting in preferences. Has this issue been reported already? Strangely, when I sign out, the expand all setting comes back, but since I'm not signed in I can't save pages to my watchlist :( Devilsavocado6596 (talk) 10:54, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Popular pages configuration

Hi there,

I am trying to add the popular pages script to this page but I am hitting walls to what I am doing wrong. [3] Nocturnal781 (talk) 14:08, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Nocturnal781: User:Community Tech bot/Popular pages config.json says to post en edit request on the talk page. That means on User talk:Community Tech bot/Popular pages config.json, not on the page where you want the report. See User talk:Community Tech bot/Popular pages config.json/Archive 1 for example requests. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:01, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Locating Saved Page Content

To whom it may concern,

Perhaps a little more than a year ago, I established a Wiki account and began working on adding content to a page. I was interupted due to other pressing obligations. Now, as I attempt to locate the content I saved, I cannot find it. Mind you, the page never went live as it was not yet completed. Where do I find the content I saved? Yonupe (talk) 15:48, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Yonupe: This post is the only saved edit by your account. It was created 5 February 2021. You have to click a "Publish" button to save an edit. "Publish" on a draft just means it becomes visible to others, not that it is submitted to the encyclopedia. You don't have to be logged in to make edits. If you did save it but was not logged in at the time then we may be able to find it if you say what it was about. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:13, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

IP users in move requests

Are IP users allowed to vote in move requests? Treetoes023 (talk) 17:33, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Treetoes023 Per WP:RMCOMMENT, "All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move". 331dot (talk) 17:39, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Treetoes023 (talk) 19:23, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Lowercase or uppercase?

Good morning. Why is 'pseudo-Arabic' written in capitals on this page ('pseudo-Arabic'): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo-Kufic, while on all other pages the term 'pseudo-Kufic' (a variant of 'pseudo-Arabic') is written differently, i.e. with 'pseudo' in lowercase? JackkBrown (talk) 17:42, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Of the 14 times it appears on the page, only two have 'pseudo' capitalized (except at the beginning of sentences or captions.) You can probably just go boldly make corrections. If anyone has a reason they object, you can discuss it with them. Valereee (talk) 18:15, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, because that particular article needs copyediting for consistency, since the lower case form is used later in the article. A Google Books search shows that reliable sources consistently use the lower case version mid-sentence. Cullen328 (talk) 18:16, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Valereee: @Cullen328: I meant that in the first lines of the page it says 'Pseudo-Arabic', but on all pages other than this one, including this one, it says 'pseudo-Kufic' ('pseudo' in lower case), when it should, in line with 'Pseudo-Arabic', also be written 'pseudo-Kufic' in lowercase. JackkBrown (talk) 18:41, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, go ahead and make the corrections. Cullen328 (talk) 18:54, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, just make the corrections you believe are needed. If someone objects, you can discuss it with them. Valereee (talk) 18:59, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Valereee: @Cullen328: the problem is that there are too many pages with this "error"; wouldn't it be better to write "Pseudo-Arabic" in lowercase (in "pseudo-Arabic")? JackkBrown (talk) 19:32, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, no idea what you're suggesting...requiring it to appear as p-A? But what happens when it starts a sentence? Valereee (talk) 19:39, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Most mentions of pseudo-Arabic are from Template:Arabic culture, which appears in around 100 articles. Pseudo-Arabic is capitalised in the template as an article title. TSventon (talk) 19:46, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

CAN bus, references, and ISO specs

This article, CAN bus, has 21 inline references, and almost as many external links. However, it's a long article at 61,000 bytes. When I read it, it just feels like citations are lacking. Large sections of the article don't have any inline citations. Is this a case where "general references" can support information in an article? Is this article properly referenced?

In addition, the article goes into a lot of detail, down to the bit level of the protocol, with examples and narratives. Is this too much detail, or is it appropriate?

Finally, the level of detail appears to be what you would get from the specification itself (I have read some ISO specs) -- but you have to purchase the specification from the ISO. The spec itself (or a now-obsolete revision) is cited. Is the spec a primary source, and, are we allowed to purchase an ISO spec and then republish it in an article? David10244 (talk) 17:50, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

No, general references are not good enough, and that article does not appear to be adequately sourced. If I knew anything at all about the subject I'd likely be placing multiple tags asking for inline citations. If you have any knowledge of the subject, definitely place tags where you think something can be improved. If others object to your tags, you can discuss on the talk, but go ahead and be WP:bold. Valereee (talk) 18:20, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, @Valereee. Being a computer programmer, I know a bit about the subject, and I can probably add a lot of "cn"s, or a full-article citation-needed thingy. But...

I am concerned about the excessive detail in the article, much of which probably came from the ISO spec. I don't want to buy the spec to see if the detail that is in the article is a copyright infringement or not. Of course, the spec is copyrighted -- ISO says:

• All content on ISO Online is copyright protected. The copyright is owned by ISO. Any use of the content, including copying of it in whole or in part, for example to another Internet site, is prohibited and would require written permission from ISO.
• All ISO publications are also protected by copyright. The copyright ownership of ISO is clearly indicated on every ISO publication. Any unauthorized use such as copying, scanning or distribution is prohibited.

From https://www.iso.org/privacy-and-copyright.html

"Any use of the content"... does that include "rewriting in my own words"?

I am curious whether all of the visuals were copied from the ISO spec, or if someone actually recreated them. And whether the prose was copied, or rewritten. I could be wrong, but it seems that, even if there's not a direct copyright violation, if we reproduce and rewrite enough of a copyrighted operational specification -- that doesn't seem right somehow. I don't suppose that the Wikipedia library gives us access to ISO specs, so that we can check this, does it? Thanks for any suggestions. David10244 (talk) 06:40, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@David10244, again we're not in my wheelhouse (literally don't know what the acronyms stand for), but I would assume that an ISO copyright statement such as "any use of the content" would not include forbidding you from summarizing it in your own words. That's how all Wikipedia articles are written: we read the content in a (often copyrighted) reliable source, and then summarize the important parts in our own words. Copyright does not apply to ideas, but to the expression of those ideas.

Re: excessive detail. That's actually usually a separate problem. We are concerned with what is useful to the reader. If the detail is trivia that isn't useful to the reader, we leave it out. But if it's helpful to people who are interested in or trying to learn more about CAN bus(ses?) and ISO specs, then we would typically leave it in. Is your concern that the level of detail is so specific that it would render the ISO itself less valuable because Wikipedia has provided so much information that no one would need to buy the ISO? I think you might want to start a discussion at that article talk; it looks like the article has hundreds of watchers, and 30 visited recent edits, so there are people interested. Or, if you think the article has too much unhelpful detail, just start trimming. If someone objects, you can discuss.

Re: WP Library...don't assume they can't give you access to something, but again this is not in my wheelhouse. Valereee (talk) 12:48, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Valereee Ok, thanks. I'm not too concerned that WP will diminish the value ofbthe ISO's copyright, but the detail seemed excessive. When I get a chance, I'll try to mark "cn" where needed. I appreciate your advice. David10244 (talk) 04:04, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Javascript tools in external links

Having seen online practice tools included before on several pages about writing systems, I added several from one place. These changes where reverted on the basis that private tools should not be included in EL sections. Is there any consensus on whether online tools are appropriate? The guidelines on external links did not clarify anything for me. 82.43.190.243 (talk) 19:40, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

That is a high-level index page. Did you intend to link to that? David10244 (talk) 20:42, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

It is the index from which I was taking the links. 82.43.190.243 (talk) 20:55, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

OK. Generally, links to a top-level page are not very helpful. David10244 (talk) 06:40, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Calculation of the population density in the Infobox

Hi there,

i have a problem with the population density in the Infobox. The calculation is clearly wrong in my opinion, but unfortunately I can't make any change. The value is not displayed in the source code. Am I correct and how can I fix the problem?

PS.: The article in which I would like to correct this is Magdeburg. Bildersindtoll (talk) 19:56, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Bildersindtoll: Please always say what you think is wrong when you report a perceived problem. Do you mean that it's rounded? It says Area Total 201.03 km² (77.62 sq mi), Population Total 236,188, Density 1,200/km² (3,000/sq mi). Without rounding it should be 236,188/201.03 = 1,175/km². It doesn't appear the rounding can be avoided. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:20, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Banned from Russian Wikipedia

Dear Sirs and Mesdames

The [lifetime!] block recently imposed on me by Russian Wikipedia is unnecessarily harsh. Furthermore, I was given absolutely no prior warning that my "sins" were bad enough for that penalty; thus, I had no opportunity to try and rectify or remove the offending item before the ban was enforced.

In fact, it is very debatable whether I really am guilty of any serious, punishable 'incorrect behaviour', because I was only trying to be helpful - attempting to enrich their "Delta-T" site by linking to [what I believe is] a first-class diagram showing recent changes in the value of that important parameter.

Furthermore, I cannot attempt to reason with them by writing to the person who initiated it, because the block extends to not allowing me any access to their personal correspondence file!

I have uploaded the same link [showing that diagram] into the English, German, Spanish and Japanese Wikipedias - and they are all still there, available for public viewing. Certainly, none of these four sites has hinted that I deserve to be blocked.

I am quite happy *not to challenge* the deletion of my last Russian Wikipedia post regarding Delta-T... More than that - I am prepared to never contribute anything more to Russian Wikipedia, but just cannot see why [in this instance] my block there has to affect my membership of other Wikipedias [by being a 'blot' on my record].

There must presumably be a way of appealing against my ban, but my Russian is probably not good enough to investigate where and how to do that. In any event, it looks as if the conditions of my block will probably not allow me to do that!

It seems that it was "Q-bit array" who blocked me: so - may I please ask somebody to forward this complaint and request to a *different* Russian administrator, who could perhaps give a second opinion on this matter.

With thanks in anticipation, Regards, David McNaughton [Wikipedia Identifier: "DLMcN"] DLMcN (talk) 21:16, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

We have zero control over what happens on the Russian Wikipedia. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:20, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I feel like this is going to seem mean, and I don't intend it that way, but if your Russian isn't good enough to figure out how to appeal, why are you working at ruwiki? I kind of feel like people should be working at the wikis where they have reasonable language skills. Here on enwiki we consider it a WP:Competence is required issue. Valereee (talk) 23:38, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Valereee - I submit that you are 'out of order' with your unhelpful remarks. Many decades ago, I was actually the official translator of scientific Russian articles for a government in southeast Africa - and my efforts and contributions were appreciated. Before this last episode, my last posts in Russian-Wiki were ten years ago - and they too were welcomed.

With the relentless passage of the decades, my command of Russian has, unfortunately, faded through lack of practice and usage. Despite that, I did manage to find a couple of places in Russian-Wiki where it seemed that I could register my complaint - only to find that I was blocked from editing there.

My Japanese is significantly worse than my Russian, but it still seemed worth telling them about the Delta-T diagram. And [contrary to what you imply] they had the grace to thank me - in English ! --DLMcN (talk) 10:34, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@DLMcN Your block on ru Wikipedia can only be undone by appeal there. However, you are not globally blocked and can continue to contribute everywhere else, as evidenced by this Teahouse thread, for example. You have added a link to your personal website as a reference in our article on ΔT (timekeeping) and have explained on its Talk Page why you did that. I don't think you would be blocked for doing such a thing here so if I were you I'd just stop worrying about ru Wikipedia on the basis that if they don't want your contributions there are plenty of other ways to assist the overall Project. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Mike T, for your reassurance and advice. The Russian block is enough to prevent me from using the Wikipedia Library. The Library authorities do, however, imply that they might be able to ignore that if I provide some clarification - so I have written to them. --DLMcN (talk) 11:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@DLMcN: I speak no Russian at all, but what I gather from DeepL is that you were blocked for promotional editing and a promotional username. Promotional editing is at least dubious, but I see no case at all for promotional username, and in any case a block without a warning is extremely severe. Hence, I do sympathize with your plight.

That being said, I concur with Valereee. To edit ru-wp, you do need a basic ability to read the guidelines there and speak the language decently enough to communicate. (That is not only a requirement of language skills - navigating the policy pages is an art in itself.) If you cannot find the way to appeal blocks, that’s a sign that you probably will not be able to contribute much to ru-wp.

If you are ok with abandoning ru-wp (and again, I am not saying that’s fair), then there is not much need to "set the record straight". A block on X-wp will usually not be "counted against you" in Y-wp unless there is evidence that the same issues carried over from one wp to the next. That occurs usually in conversations about civil POV-pushing ("editor X is rewriting articles to paint East Domania in a good light and West Domania in a bad light" / "oh well, they seem civil and their edits are sourced, come back when there’s more evidence" / "actually, they were banned from Domanian Wikipedia after a very long discussion of their edits there, they switched to English Wikipedia just afterwards"). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Here is the "Welcome" message which I received from Russian-Wiki (12 years ago, admittedly) -

"Hello and welcome to the Russian Wikipedia! We appreciate your contributions. If your Russian skills are not good enough, that's no problem. We have an embassy where you can inquire for further information in your native language. We hope you enjoy your time here!" ... [However, my block prevents me from going in there and asking for help !] --DLMcN (talk) 13:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@DLMcN, was your talk page access revoked there? If not, you can ask the user to discuss there. Not sure what you mean by their "personal correspondence file", but they do have an email link on their user page. I would first try to simply respond on your user talk to their block message, pinging them. If they don't respond, you can (if able) email them. If they still don't respond, perhaps you can find a Russian speaker who can post a request at ruwiki's version of AN. Valereee (talk) 14:41, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Valereee -

I could not see an e-mail option on Q-bit array 's Russian page, but did find one on his English page [and used it]; this facility was also available in his "Russian bot" page-site. In addition, I left a copy in his English Talk-Page:

User talk:Q-bit array - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Q-bit_array

which shows that there have been other people who feel that he has blocked them unfairly !

For that^ reason, it may be necessary to try and contact a different administrator, for a second opinion.

Cheers ! - David Mc DLMcN (talk) 17:05, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Success ! ... Q-bit array has lifted the block ! ... I really appreciate the comments and suggestions made by everybody above... Three Cheers ! --DLMcN (talk) 17:30, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Approval of restructure of Road signs in Ireland topic

Hello, I have prepared a restructure of the Road signs in Ireland article in my sandbox. I was referred to here as well as the WP:Peer review page, as I would like my proposal to be approved by others rather than immediately changing it in an edit, but am unsure what is the best way to go about it. Thanks in advance, EthanL13 (talk) 21:52, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@EthanL13: You should mention this also at Talk:Road_signs_in_Ireland RudolfRed (talk) 00:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I have done so now, thanks EthanL13 (talk) 15:43, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I would like to link the Sanhujoriwon document to the Korean ko:산후조리원 document.

I wanted to connect, but an error appears. How can I connect? 망고소녀 (talk) 23:28, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@망고소녀: Sanhujoriwon is a redirect to Sanhujori#Sanhujoriwon. Do you mean you want to add the English redirect as a language link at ko:산후조리원? The normal Wikidata method doesn't allow redirects. You can instead add the code [[en:Sanhujoriwon]] to the wikitext of ko:산후조리원. In addition you can add [[ko:산후조리원]] to the redirect page but few people will see it. See more at Help:Interlanguage links#Local links. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

March 20

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toubou_people

a lot of mistakes because there is an independentist organization in the north of chad. those close to the manipulative Chad regime. for example Toubou flags. there are several flags .

look web site Toubou governement in exil Enesu Tudaa-a, State of Tubu, Tubuland, دولة التُبو (tibesti-gov.info) Kalimiduna (talk) 00:03, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

If there are problems with the article Toubou people, Kalimiduna, you're free to point them out at the foot of Talk:Toubou people. I suggest that you start by pointing out just one problem, providing a precise reference to a specific web page -- not some unspecified page somewhere within a website -- that authoritatively corrects the mistake. Once other editors have agreed that the article was wrong and your "correction" really was a correction, add comments on more problems, but never more than a few at one time. -- Hoary (talk) 08:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Question about Recent Changes filters

What are the differences between the "Contributor quality predictions" and "User intent predictions" filters on the Recent Changes page? The little "How do these work?" help popup doesn't seem to say much about the differences. AP 499D25 (talk) 02:08, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@AP 499D25 There is a detailed explanation at this mediawiki URL. I reached that by clicking through the "learn more" option of the popup on the filter changes menu of Special:RecentChanges. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:07, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thanks for the response, I did come across and see that help page before. I'm starting to get it now, I'm guessing "likely have problems" means a poor quality edit regardless if the edit is done in good faith or bad faith, while "bad-faith edits" means edits done with the intention of harming the encyclopedia. I just got confused between those two before. AP 499D25 (talk) 02:19, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism help request from Sparaig2

I have noticed some editorial screwups (by me) at Jyotir_Math. Namely, I tried to add the phrase "(disputed)" and signed it with "02:32, 20 March 2023 (UTC)" as per the old style, and that inserted into the text itself and now I can't figure out how to gracefully undo the damage. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, Sparaig2 (talk) 02:32, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I've reverted it to the previous version. I'd also suggest adding a citation to any claim that a figure is disputed, as that could be a contentious claim. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:55, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Max for table that also scales to viewport

How do I make a table scale to viewport if the viewport width is under the max width but only have width at the max width if the viewport exceeds the max width? Aaron Liu (talk) 13:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Is this a question about Wikipedia? As far as I know, we don't have anything called a "viewport". ColinFine (talk) 19:11, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Aaron Liu (and @ColinFine for info): I suspect this refers to the apparent device viewport, or area the user sees an article's content in. (See https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Glossary/Viewport for a summary explanation.) Anything parts of a object (such as a table) which is too large to fit in the viewport will not be visible until the user scrolls or zooms (if either are allowed) in the appropriate direction.

The original question is not entirely clear, but I interpret it as asking how a table can be made bigger or smaller when it's too wide to fit inside a user's viewport. In a nutshell, one of the following can be done:

• decrease the font size used in the table (but note MOS:FONTSIZE and, in particular, WP:ACCESSIBILITY);
• remove content from the table;
• remove unnecessary formatting, such as non-breaking spaces which prevent content from "flowing" inside table cells;
• consider presenting the information in a different way; see MOS:TABLES.

Bazza (talk) 19:29, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

how do i download an audio file from wikipedia?

how do i download an audio file from wikipedia? Orange-wp (talk) 19:14, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Orange-wp Taking as example the one at Gettysburg Address, click the i in a circle, then the linked bolded bit in "This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. Information from its description page there is shown below.", and on that page you'll see a download link. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:54, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for you kind help Orange-wp (talk) 22:07, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Help with moving articles

I'd like to ask someone to help me with the following:

• Move Dom Aleixo, currently a disambiguation page to Dom Aleixo (disambiguation);
• Then move Dom Aleixo Timorese to Dom Aleixo and delete the future redirect

I can move pages, but I don't know if the current Dom Aleixo (the disambiguation page) should be deleted first, in order to not mess up page history and I don't have deletion privileges.

The only place where this "Dom Aleixo Timorese" comes up is Wikipedia. Every literature about him gives his name as "Dom Aleixo" without "Timorese" in it, that would be like addressing Biden as "Joe Biden American". Bastewasket (talk) 20:06, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

See WP:RMPM for instructions. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Reliability of Mental Floss

My edit of Cher was reverted with the claim that Mental Floss is not a reliable source. Is this claim correct? Clarityfiend (talk) 20:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Clarityfiend the only discussion at WP:RSN is here which concluded "Mental Floss is a listicle website/youtube channel, and it should never be cited for anything." - Arjayay (talk) 21:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Updating name of company on company Wikipedia page

Hi there. Our company has recently been renamed from "Cumming Corporation" to "Cumming Group". I'm not seeing an "Edit > Move" option when on the Wikipedia page. How can I update this? Cumming Corporation Czanutto (talk) 20:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Czanutto - the reason there is no "Edit > Move" option is that your account is not WP:Autoconfirmed - more worrying is that, from your statement "our company" you have a clear WP:Conflict of interest and, I assume, you are also a WP:Paid editor, please read those sections, make the necessary declarations and do not edit the article again, but make proposals, supported by WP:Reliable sources on the article's talk page. Thank you. - Arjayay (talk) 21:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Czanutto. The History section should have a sentence added to describe the name change – when, why. (With a supporting reference.) Currently it's confusing to the reader to see "Cumming Corporation" in some places and "Cumming Group" in others. A first-party source would be acceptable for an uncontroversial claim, but Cumming's official site appears to be heavy on fluff and light on history, and I couldn't find a press release or media coverage on a quick search. Once the article's narrative is fixed, there would be plenty of confirmed editors willing to make the move. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 17:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Category not working

Hi. I added the category Category:Assassinated American federal politicians to the page Robert F. Kennedy but the latter is not showing in the list of pages in the category. Help. Thinker78 (talk) 22:28, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Sometimes things take a little while to update. I see it on that Category page under "K". See Wikipedia:FAQ/Categorization#Why_might_a_category_list_not_be_up_to_date? for more info. RudolfRed (talk) 22:52, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Thinker78: fixing ping. RudolfRed (talk) 22:53, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

How to add a subject page to wikipedia.

FYI

 – Splitting sections. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:45, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I've been a member of wikipedia for about 20 years, and I've made a multitude of changes and additions over the years -- under my other user account name. But when I tried to log in this time, I was unable to remember my password, and because I had not provided an email address when I opened my account, I wasn't able to get help when I was trying to log in. Consequently, I've now opened a new account. Makes me very sad that I've lost the history of my voluminous contributions.

In any case, what I want to do now is add a subject page about the short film, "Cradle Song" (1981), written, produced, and directed by Sharron Miller. Can you please tell me how to do this?? It's been decades since I have added a new page. Please help if you can. Thank you. Vistalane (talk) 22:36, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Vistalane. If you would like to create an new article about a film, you will need to demonstrate that the film meets WP:NFILM. Generally, you will need to show that the film has received WP:SIGCOV in WP:RELIABLESOURCES to establish that it's WP:NOTABLE for an article to be written about it. You might want to ask about the film at WT:FILM if you have any specific question about Wikipedia notability and films. As for your question about accounts, there's no way to merge account contribution histories together per WP:DELETEACCOUNT; if, however, you remember the other accounts you used, you can add links to them to your "new" user page to unofficially connect the accounts together if you want. You can either add the link manually or use a userbox to do so (e.g. Wikipedia:Userboxes/Wikipedia/Related accounts. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:07, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Marchjuly. I will do my best to do as you suggest, and I very much appreciate your help. -- Vistalane Vistalane (talk) 23:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

March 21

publications

Hi. My name is Sergio, I received the inquiry for a costumer to introduce the data for a Spanish painter, but for some reason it was imposible. And we would like how can we write the data in the wiki. The name of the painter is José Luís Mesas and you can find several material in google about him. Please, can you help us to know what is happening. Thanks in advance. waiting for your reply. Sergio 2806:2F0:8560:BA78:F4BF:CA43:A211:D03C (talk) 02:02, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello Sergio, I couldn't find any trace of any prior attempt, so you would have to be more specific in what is impossible to track down the cause. Putting that aside, Editing Wikipedia for a customer is a form of paid editing, which, while not forbidden, must be disclosed (this is a Terms of Use requirement). Please also note that we are not interested in what a subject wants to tell about themselves. Wikipedia is only interested in what independent reliable sources have written about a subject (if these sources are wrong, take it up with them, Wikipedia is not the right place to do corrections). That being said, please see Your first article for guidance about creating a new article, and also Creating articles backwards. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:22, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

wikiversity

I would like to teach writing theree 72.225.176.145 (talk) 03:11, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Wonderful! Visit https://www.wikiversity.org/ to learn more about Wikiversity. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:35, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Citation needed?

How do I know what to put in a 'citation needed' spot? Nice user2 (talk) 03:18, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi! If you would like to add a citation needed tag, you can add {{cn}} to an unsourced claim, if the claim is not sourced or referenced. Tails Wx 04:13, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

I mean when i'm editing and come across a citation needed what do I do? Nice user2 (talk) 04:17, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh! Well, you can source it, and once you have a source for the claim, you can remove it. If you don't, you can leave it, and maybe even remove the unsourced claim if there are no reliable sources for the claim! Tails Wx 04:20, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

When you say source for the claim, do you mean a site that proves a statement? Nice user2 (talk) 04:26, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry if I'm wasting your time, sometimes I have trouble understanding things. Nice user2 (talk) 04:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Err, whoops, I meant proof for the statement. Nice user2 (talk) 04:31, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh, wait, nevermimd, I just read it wrong. Nice user2 (talk) 04:32, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

We mean a reliable published source, preferably independent of the subject of the article, that says whatever is claimed in the article. Many reliable sources are websites, or are to be found on websites (eg Google books). But many reliable sources are not on the web (eg printed books, or newspapers that have not been scanned).

On the other hand, many websites (as well as some books etc) are not reliable sources, and should not be cited. For example, wikis (including Wikipedia), blogs, forums, and iMDB, are not regarded as reliable; and nor are books published by vanity presses. See WP:RSN for discussion of reliability of sources, and WP:RSP for a list of sources that are commonly asked about.

You cite a source by giving essential bibliographic information like title, author, date, publisher/website, page number: if the source is on the web, then a URL may be given as a convenience, but (unless that is the only place the source is to be found) it is not an essential part of the citation. See WP:REFB for how to do this. ColinFine (talk) 13:13, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

How to create a new wikipedia page

Hello Team, I am ML Gayatri and i am a playback singer in the sounth indian films. I have red-colored link already existing. However, i am unable to create a page/draft using this link. Do you ahve any standard template that i need to follow to create a draft and then publish? Please guide me. ML Gayatri AdityaTel (talk) 03:21, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@AdityaTel: Hi there! WP:AUTO explains that Wikipedia strongly discourages autobiographies. Creating a new Wikipedia article can be challenging, especially when you have a conflict of interest (COI). To learn how to edit, I suggest you start at Help:Introduction. I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. When you're ready to create an article, you would gather multiple published independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of you, and determine whether they demonstrate that you meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could create an account and declare your COI on your user page. Then follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting for review, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. If you are successful, then you could never edit the article directly due to your COI, but could submit edit requests on the article talk page. Hope this helps. GoingBatty (talk) 04:29, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Who rescinded my revision and why? My comment was based on law (5th and 14th Amendments of the Constitution).

Who rescinded my revision and why? My comment was based on law (5th and 14th Amendments of the Constitution). Cuban-American Patriot (talk) 04:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Cuban-American Patriot: Hi there! I see you edited the List of LASD deputy gangs article. When you go to the article and click the "View history" link, you'll see who reverted your edit, which an edit summary explaining the reversion because "not providing a reliable source (WP:CITE, WP:RS)". Per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, you could post on the article's talk page - Talk:List of LASD deputy gangs - to discuss your concerns. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:33, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Keep in mind that we don't write our own opinions or interpretations of law into articles, even if they're obviously correct. We just summarize what reliable sources say about the topic. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:05, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

List of Exorcists

How can my ministry as an Exorcist be added to the List of Exorcists? Carolyn-1956 (talk) 14:18, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Can you assist me in adding my name under the list of Christian Non-denominational exorcists. Carolyn-1956 (talk) 14:26, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

It probably can't, Carolyn. Like most list articles on Wikipedia, List of exorcists is not, nor intended to be, a list of every exorcist who ever existed. It is a list of Wikipedia articles or potential articles about exorcists. If you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability - roughly, that a significant amount of material has been published about you in reliable sources, and without you or your associates being involved in any way in that publication - then there could be an article about you. You are strongly advised against writing an article about yourself, but not forbidden. But unless you meet those criteria, anybody trying to write such an article will be wasting their time. In any case, the time to add an article about you to the list is after the article has been written. ColinFine (talk) 14:26, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Herstal Group

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herstal_Group

Has the company listed as public. I do not think this is so. I can not find their stock. Nertbox (talk) 18:11, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

According to the article, "Since 1997, Herstal Group has been 100% owned by the Walloon Region of Belgium". If all its stock is owned by the same entity, it's not going to be traded or listed. Maproom (talk) 18:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

So some number of people in that region of Belgium bought all the stock? Nertbox (talk) 18:51, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

I take that to mean that the Walloon Region as a corporate entity bought the stock, not members of the public who happen to live in the region.

I have tagged the article as needing more references, because at present it has not a single reference that meets WP:42, and therefore does nothing at all to establish that the company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 19:05, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

is there anything showing habitats of tarantulas on here

i needit for school 67.0.196.81 (talk) 22:34, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. You could start by reading the article at tarantula. Mike Turnbull (talk) 23:10, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

March 22

User:MagicalPrince863/EnderCon

Can you expand EnderCon MagicalPrince863 (talk) 00:29, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

MagicalPrince863, people here are likely not willing to spend time improving a draft article, especially when it is such time-heavy work as expansion.

In its current form, your draft will not be accepted because it has no sources. I doubt a town in Minecraft Story Mode will be accepted due to a lack of notability. You will need three reliable, in-depth, independent sources about EnderCon to demonstrate notability. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Questions about article/page creation

Reference to the subject matter. Your advice/assistance related to the following points will be highly appreciated. a) How can i create a new page/ article. b) Since I need to upload an article/information, will you provide help/assistance if i email the CV and related information about the person. Your prompt reply will be highly appreciated. Regards, DND 62.150.180.50 (talk) 07:09, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Wikipedia publishes neutrally written, well referenced encyclopedia articles, not CVs. There are plenty of places to post CVs online like LinkedIn but Wikipedia is not one of them. When you write that you "need to upload" something, experienced Wikipedia editors will respond "No, you don't" because we only accept content that is in full compliance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Read and re-read and study until you thoroughly understand Your first article, and follow every one of the recommendations that you find there. Cullen328 (talk) 09:01, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Error

Good morning. Why has "Thanjavur district" been written in the title of this page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanjavur_district, while the first line of the text says "Thanjavur District"? JackkBrown (talk) 09:51, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown Careless editing would be my guess. The use of "district" or "District" is not consistent throughout that article. "district" seems to prevail, so feel free to be bold and change all similar "District"s to "district". There are links to other similar articles which may well suffer the same inconsistencies.

If another editor later challenges with evidence that the proper name is "Thanjavur District", then they can make the corrections accordingly. Bazza (talk) 10:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

If 'District' is the official name for an administrative division, then the specific form "X District" or "the District of X" should have capital 'D' throughout, even in an article title. If using the term 'district' in a general sense, as a synonym of 'area' or 'neighborhood (for example)', no capital would be needed. If the MoS does not make such distinctions clear, it should. [Disclosure: retired professional Copy-editor.] {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 5.64.160.67 (talk) 23:43, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Strange formatting

Why the strange formatting? "Obelisk Monument|Obelisk in Srirangapatna}} is a memorial erected by the then government of Mysore in memory of the English soldiers died during the siege of Srirangapatna." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srirangapatna#/editor/21. JackkBrown (talk) 11:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown Just an editor trying to pipe a link but using the wrong sort of bracket. I've fixed it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:01, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Vanished article

An entire article (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2022-23_RFU_Championship_Cup&redirect=no) has been removed without consultations. The removal isn't even clean as many links towards to removed page still exist. What has been cleaned though, is the page history. My questions is, how can this page be restored? Flierfy (talk) 11:41, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

The article 2022–23 RFU Championship Cup has been changed to a redirect by Onel5969 with the edit summary "redirect until enough sourcing is provided to pass WP:VERIFY" (i.e. they say that the contents of the article were not currently verifiable from reliable sources). The text of the article is still there in the history of the redirect, but you should not restore it without discussing it with One15969.

Note that the URL you provided was to a different redirect, with a minus instead of an en-dash in the title, and that redirect hasn't got an article in its history. ColinFine (talk) 12:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahamaham_tank,_Kumbakonam

Here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahamaham_tank,_Kumbakonam, upper or lowercase? "Tank" or "tank"? JackkBrown (talk) 12:33, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Lower. Hoary (talk) 13:05, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaveri

Good morning. Is it spelled "Kaveri River" or "Kaveri river"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaveri; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumbakonam. JackkBrown (talk) 13:19, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

"River" following a specific name like that (or preceding it in British/Commonwealth English) is used as part of the name, and so is usually written with a capital. All the examples I have just looked at have that: see Red River for a load of examples. ColinFine (talk) 14:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

does this need admin attention

Someone on a talk page of a page I've edited has raised a valid question but also insulted the (living) subject of the biographical article. I'm not sure if this is okay or not. If okay, I'll respond on the page. If not, I could use some help in how to bring this to the attention of an admin. Thanks. Jessamyn (my talk page) 14:31, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

The insult is I don't see how this is anything other than a narcissist using Wikipedia to promote himself and his website. I suspect it is factually incorrect (the article was started and most heavily edited by SupportHead, who has also edited a couple of unrelated articles).

Regardless of its truth, I do not think it warrants any admin action. I do not even think it would rise to the level of WP:NPA if it was directed at a specific editor. I would not mention it unless the behaviour is repeated.

In general, low-level offenses should be brought to the editor’s attention first. I usually prefer the user talk page (to avoid derailing discussions where the misbehaviour occurred, and because there’s no need to bring too much attention to it), though for an IPv6 user that does not work. If and when that doesn’t work, then you escalate to one of the appropriate noticeboards, the default being WP:ANI. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:57, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Yeah I wasn't sure what to do for an IP edit and narcissist didn't seem like a high-level insult but also hit me weird so I wanted to check. Appreciate the feedback. Jessamyn (my talk page) 17:02, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Jessamyn, I removed the cheap shot comment on the basis of WP:NOTAFORUM. Cullen328 (talk) 17:24, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Watch list question

Is there any way to look at my list of watched pages sorted by the most-recently added? I sometimes remember that I'd meant to check back and hadn't w-pinged to do so. Valereee (talk) 15:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Valereee: Hi there! I'm not aware of a way to do this. I see a similar question at Help talk:Watchlist#Viewing watchlist by addition order? from 2018 that was not answered. GoingBatty (talk) 19:00, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, @GoingBatty. Do you have any clue whether this might be something a script could be created for? I hate to make silly requests for scripts. :D Valereee (talk) 19:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Valereee: I don't know - I'm not a script writer. GoingBatty (talk) 21:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't think the information is stored anywhere. Maybe a script could detect when you add a page to your watchlist and automaticaly make a corresponding edit to a tracking page in your userspace. It would be visible to others in your contributions and the page. I'm not sure it would work and I'm not trying to code it. It could also be controversial to "spam" your contributions with such tracking edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:52, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, both! It sounds like it's not a viable idea. Valereee (talk) 10:20, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Human history template expanding

Hi all, it seems sensible to fully expand {{Human history}} on the Human history article, given the large lead and TOC, but I'm not sure how to go about this. Can anyone assist? Aza24 (talk) 18:14, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Aza24: Hi there! I suggest posting your specific suggestions on the article talk page - Talk:Human history - so you can collaborate with other interested editors and come to the appropriate consensus. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:55, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Not everything needs consensus. I’m asking about a technical issue… Aza24 (talk) 20:18, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Aza24 welcome to Help Desk! I think you would find more knowledgeable people at WP:VPT. I tried reading the Wikicode and passing in expanded parameter, but it isn't working for me. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:34, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Template:Firearms

Hi, I'm trying to add to a template and am having trouble getting the formatting correct. I want to add the stores section to this list, but I can't figure out the template, please help!

Template:Firearms Victor Grigas (talk) 18:14, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Victorgrigas: I think I fixed it. Is this what you're looking for? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:27, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes! Thank you! Victor Grigas (talk) 18:29, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Gorilla anatomy

FYI

 – Added section header. GoingBatty (talk) 21:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Gorilla anatomy 2A02:B023:10:7BC8:8E39:CACF:CF53:3D99 (talk) 20:47, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

What about it? You may be able to find information in Gorilla. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 21:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

...or Mammal#Anatomy. If you have about gorilla anatomy that aren't answered in these articles, you could try asking specific questions at WP:Reference desk. GoingBatty (talk) 21:22, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Regarding lack of non-interview sources

 Note: split to own section, much like above section 💜  melecie  talk - 23:50, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

What do I do if I cannot find non-interview sources or independent sources for my subject. There is very little information about her on the internet that does not involve an interview. KingKapybara (talk) 23:48, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, KingKapybara. Unless you can find truly independent sources that devote significant coverage to this person, it is not possible to write an acceptable Wikipedia biography of her. Sources in Finnish would be fine. Cullen328 (talk) 23:55, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Hanna Bergholm

perhaps it may just be too soon for them to have an article. I've had a brief look at potential sources Google points me to, and most of them do seem to be interviews. there however is an existing article for Hatching (film), which you may want to try and improve. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 23:59, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

March 23

SMK Main Convent

SMK Main Convent, Ipoh Please fix up this - I remove the info box - or something like that...I'm sorry. Please repair115.70.23.77 (talk) 01:26, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Done. A pair of left-hand curly brackets was not paired with a pair of right-hand curly brackets (if that makes sense). Uporządnicki (talk) 01:57, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Finding chart records for music

Hello, I'm new to making music articles, and I'm curious on how you can find which charts a song debuts in (hard rock, top 100, etc.) and in what countr(ies). Is it really just guess and check, or is there a more automated/quicker way of doing this. Thanks! Johnson524 (Talk!) 03:48, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Johnson524: I don't work with charts. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs#Chart performance and charts. You may get better answers at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:58, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Wiki page translation

Hello,

I am a fairly experienced translator working from Spanish to English. I would like to assist in translating Wiki pages but I am just baffled by the volume to information presented to me. I just want to see some pages of source text and translate them. I had intended to deal with a page I found on the "Category:Articles needing translation from Spanish Wikipedia" page (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primera_generaci%C3%B3n_de_computadoras) and indeed I have done that translation outside of the Wiki Translate page in my own editor. I had then intended to retrofit my content into the Wiki editor. But I now see the translation tool is disabled to all but "extended confirmed editors" which clearly I am not.

How can I SIMPLY get into translating Wiki content? I understand there is a need to regulate editing but I find it all rather baffling and obstructive. Can someone please point me to something simple to read so I can make myself useful to Wikipedia?

Regards, Simon Robinson Simonitov zebedee (talk) 09:23, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Simonitov zebedee. I understand your desire for simplicity but certain human endeavors have aspects of complexity that must be dealt with. The simple answer is to accurately translate the Spanish text into English. But that is nowhere near enough. Is the Spanish article a great article or a crappy article? Is the topic notable as English Wikipedia defines that term? Are the cited sources reliable and do they verify the assertions in the article? Will the translated article comply with the English Wikipedia's core content policies? You must understand these questions and answer them positively, at least in your own mind, before proceeding with a translation. Please thoroughly read Wikipedia:Translation. Cullen328 (talk) 09:53, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Attack article?

Hello. Reading the wikipedia policies I was unable to find apropriate rule how to ask of removing attack article about person, which is backed only by a conflict sources. As I read in WP:ATTACK, the criteria is "An attack page is a page, in any namespace, that exists primarily to disparage or threaten its subject; or biographical material that is entirely negative in tone and unsourced or poorly sourced". And I'm reading a wikiarticle related to a person, which is known in connection with only one commercial conflict and all sources of non-trivial information on this BLP-page refering directly or indirectly only to this conflict, contain dubious and inaccurate statements about the biography of this person. By itself, he is little known and the press practically does not write about him outside this context. Does a page linking to multiple press articles around this conflict meet this criterion or not? Thanks Caramoble (talk) 09:52, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Caramoble It would be easier to offer advice if we knew which article you are discussing. Without knowing what it is, I can say that if a person is known only for participation in a "bad" event, that's what the coverage about them is going to be. If the sources in this article are not being accurately summarized for some reason, that should be discussed on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 09:55, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

It's reasonable. I wrote about this. To judge the quality of the presentation of the material in this article, it is enough to pay attention to the fact that Somkhishvili is called the founder of Lukoil in it, which is an obvious hoax. With the same success, he could be called the founder of Gazprom or Microsoft. The problem of the article is, it seems to me, that if we remove conflicting sources, then from the details of his biography supported by at least something, 2-3 phrases will remain in it. And the mentioned event is not 'bad', but it is completely ordinary. Litigation, which are hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Caramoble (talk) 10:02, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure I would call it an "attack article"- an attack article is something like "JohnPublic is a stupid person who can't tell his butt from his elbow". Regarding the article itself, if it is not accurate to describe him as a co-founder of Lukoil, that should be discussed on the article talk page first, along with checking the source to see what it actually says. 331dot (talk) 10:08, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello Caramoble. Experienced Wikipedia editors value precision and directness, and we are much less interested in discussing vague hypotheticals instead of actual encyclopedia content. You are alluding to a biography of a living person, and seem to be expecting other editors to do research to figure out what you are talking about. We have a specific noticeboard to discuss these issues which is located at WP:BLPN, the shortcut for the Biographies of Living People Noticeboard. Do not be cryptic there. State the specific article, the specific content that is of concern to you, and explain clearly and directly why the content violates policies and guidelines. Cullen328 (talk) 10:12, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. In fact, this is such an answer to the question that I would like to receive by contacting here. Wikipedia is very extensive and I just couldn't a place your noted. I will use your recommendation. Caramoble (talk) 10:16, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

talk page redirect help

Hello,

That talk page of this article Jaleigh Johnson redirects to a previous article from my sandbox and I'm unsure how to fix it! Any help would be appreciated.

AugusteBlanqui (talk) 10:56, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Got it! BOZ (talk) 11:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Logo Update - Delta Cafés

Good Morning,

I would like to know how it would be possible to update the logo that appears on the Wikipedia tab when we google the term "Delta Cafés"?

Image that appears (outdated logo): https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ficheiro:Delta_Caf%C3%A9s.svg

Correct image: (logo updated and appearing on the wikipedia page) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Logo_Delta_Caf%C3%A9s.tif

Dmd.gnab (talk) 11:12, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Dmd.gnab, Google moves in mysterious ways. Wikipedia has no control over it. -- Hoary (talk) 11:20, 23 March 2023 (UTC)