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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Today's FA

• pursuant to this discussion with fac nominator Harrias, please replace "1893, he made 1,405" with "1892, he made 1,407" and add " in 1893" after "Wisden". note that this edit may break the character limit, so if this is an issue, please remove "to be regarded at his peak as one of England's finest batsmen", since hewett's appearance on wisden's list already suggests this. dying (talk) 03:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• Done, I didn't pay heed to word count though if someone really cares to check that. Stephen 03:44, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
  • thanks, Stephen. dying (talk) 03:47, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

"Hewett won a Blue" should read "Hewett won a blue". It is not a proper noun; please see usage at Blue (university sport). Thanks Spicemix (talk) 10:48, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done. Blue is almost always capitalised in sources, and acts as a proper name, per MOS:CAPS and the featured article's prose.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done on second thoughts, I've checked more deeply, and it seems usage is quite mixed in sources, so I guess we do default to lowercase.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:15, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Spicemix (talk) 13:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Errors with "In the news"

Putin

Not an error, but "arrest warrants" should be wikilinked as a key term. Brandmeister^talk 21:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I'd have thought arrest warrant is a common-enough term that it doesn't require linking to aid reader understanding. Also, the linked article has no mention of the ICC's arrest warrants, the whole content is a breakdown of specific countries only.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:41, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Wouldn't insist, but I'd say "arrest warrant" isn't as common as e.g. "arrest", "police" or "president" in terms of WP:NOTDIC. Brandmeister^talk 21:55, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Should definitely say alleged abduction of children per BLPCRIME and probably call the "official" who she officially is (if space is the worry, remove "Russian president", since everyone knows who Putin officially is). I'm not saying say "Presidential Commissioner for Children's Rights in the Russian Federation". Just "children's rights commissioner" (and "Russian" is already clear). InedibleHulk (talk) 00:23, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

The wording definitely should be changed. Reuters has it as for the illegal deportation, I cant find the actual arrest warrant on the ICC site yet, but their news release said the Pre-Trial Chamber has confirmed that there are reasonable grounds to believe that President Putin and Ms Lvova-Belova bear criminal responsibility for the unlawful deportation and transfer of Ukrainian children from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation, contrary to article 8(2)(a)(vii) and article 8(2)(b)(viii) of the Rome Statute. I dont think we should be using the word abduction in our blurb as the crime, and if we are going to name the crime then actually use its name, that being the unlawful deportation and transfer of children, or follow Reuters and say illegal deportation. nableezy - 05:45, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't have the full warrants (does anyone?), but the ICC is pretty clear with the specific counts in that statement they put out. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:25, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

nableezy, I suggest you bring this issue up on the talk page of the article first. Any hook should reflect what the article says. Schwede66 07:03, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

That doesnt seem like a good time tbh, but our main page should not be making a claim about a living person being charged with abducting children when that is not the charge. nableezy - 15:42, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Good catch, this isn't the sort of "child abduction" most civilians are aware of, where simple napping is enough reason to be arrested, international psychological genocide operation or no. My "definitely" was more aimed at "allegedly". "Alleged illegal deportation" is fair. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:52, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

That viii is "taking of hostages", if anyone's interested (if so, "alleged hostage-taking"). InedibleHulk (talk) 08:10, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

No, the relevant viii is in section 8.2.b, not 8.2.a.

The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory;

Note that none of these sections talk specifically about children. And when when you look at the full list of war crimes – torture, great suffering, extensive destruction, &c. – it's not clear why they have focussed only on the transfer issue when that seems comparatively benign. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:40, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

That makes sense, I was wondering why I hadn't heard ransom demands, thanks for correcting. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:15, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

When it's already on the main page, someone should work on improving the linked articles, as they provide absolutely no detailed information about why both are charged. Maria Lvova-Belova's personal life section reads Lvova-Belova has been married to Pavel Kogelman, a priest of the Russian Orthodox Church and formerly a programmer, since 2003. They have five biological and eighteen adopted children. The former were born in 2005, 2007, 2010, 2014 and 2018. In February 2023, she adopted a 15-year-old boy from Mariupol, which caused controversy due to the concurrent abductions., which makes her a rescuer rather than a criminal. Very absurd.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:19, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Mentioning the concurrent abductions strongly implies she's a criminal to me. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:09, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

She's not a rescuer. Mariupol is occupied territory and no Russian should be adopting anyone from there. 331dot (talk) 10:58, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

On the neutral side, there are two possibilities. Firstly, the children are being illegally adopted by Russians in order to be Russified because, according to the Russian law of adopting foreign children, there has to be a permit by their home country (in this case, Ukraine). Secondly, an exception is made to violate the law in a state of war so that the children are brought away from the risky areas. There's absolutely nothing that indicates which of these two is the case. How would someone reading the article know that Russians cannot adopt children from Ukraine without a permit if that's not written anywhere?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:21, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

The official Russian position would presumably be that, as they claim to have annexed these territories, the population is Russian and so it's an internal matter. Putin doesn't seem to recognise Ukraine as a country at all – that's the main point of the war. All such issues are a part of the war which we have as Ongoing. And the latest news today is that Putin is visiting Mariupol. There's news about Putin every day, it seems. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:04, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Putin can argue his position at his trial(which is 99% likely to never happen, I know, as does the ICC). Our job is to describe what the sources say, which we do in Child abductions in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine; "During the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russia forcibly transferred thousands of Ukrainian children to areas it controls, assigned them Russian citizenship, forcibly adopted them into Russian families, and created obstacles for reunification with their parents or homeland". If this is wrong, then that needs to be taken up on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 13:23, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

The blurb doesn't say Russia did anything, rather that the ICC served two BLPs warrants for abducting children. That is, those two are child abductors and this is what they get. The article is wrong on more levels, and that's also a problem, but this blurb is still wrong on quite a few. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:15, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• There is now an article about the warrants themselves, ICC arrest warrants for Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova, that could be worked into this blurb. 331dot (talk) 16:51, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  My preference is that the merge discussion come to a conclusion first. Schwede66 19:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  Either way, the blurb has to be fixed. The arrest warrant is not for the abduction of children, it is for the transfer of civilians from occupied territory. This is a V failure and a BLP failure, and seemingly the only reason it is still on the freaking main page is because we really don't like Putin. nableezy - 04:05, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

  And really don't care to know nor care if we hurt Lvova-Belova. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:18, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Errors in "On this day"

Tomorrow's OTD

1860: Please remove the inapplicable (depicted); the 1603 entry already correctly has a (pictured). MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:16, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Done, thanks. Stephen 04:44, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the featured list

Friday's FL

(March 24, tomorrow)

Monday's FL

(March 27)

Errors in the summary of the featured picture

Notice to administrators: When fixing POTD errors, please update the corresponding regular version (i.e. without "protected" in the page title) in addition to the Main Page version linked below.

Tomorrow's POTD

• There's a slight repetition at end of blurb "she received the Nobel Prize in 1947. This photograph from the Smithsonian Institution Archives, taken in the same year, shows Cori and her husband working in their laboratory in 1947." Maybe remove "in 1947"?JennyOz (talk) 08:21, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

   Done Thanks, Jenny. Schwede66 09:26, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks Schwede66. JennyOz (talk) 10:45, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

General discussion

I have a question

Does this page follow WP:N? QarryMotter (talk) 19:59, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

QarryMotter This page is essentially made up of different pages. If you have a notability concern about some aspect of the Main Page, you should first seek out that specific section(such as In the news candidates). 331dot (talk) 20:04, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Paintings of the same subject scheduled for TFA and PotD on 25 March

Following this recent discussion, I think it best to bring to people's attention that the topics currently scheduled for TFA (Wikipedia:Today's featured article/March 25, 2023) and PotD (Template:POTD/2023-03-25) next Saturday are very closely related to each other: the Annunciation by Hans Memling for TFA, and the Annunciation by Jan van Eyck for PotD. This coincidence of choices has happened because 25 March is the Feast of the Annunciation. I don't think this is ideal because the text will be quite repetitious – the links oil painting, Early Netherlandish painting, Annunciation, Gabriel, Mary, mother of Jesus and Transfer of panel paintings would all be repeated. There are also some conspicuous differences in emphasis: "Early Netherlandish painter" for Memling but "Early Netherlandish master" for van Eyck, and Mary bearing "Jesus" in one but "the son of God" in the other. I think the PotD should be deferred, but could anyone advise on what to put in its place?

I would consider moving Template:POTD/2023-03-25 to 25 March 2024, but that would be only five days before Good Friday that year, which is being marked with another Renaissance painting, Correggio's Head of Christ (Template:POTD/2024-03-29). So I would suggest moving the Correggio forward to 12 July 2023 (the feast of Saint Veronica, which is still appropriate for that image). Ham II (talk) 20:26, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Five days interval between paintings doesn't seem too bad to me, so 25 March 2024 would be OK. Otherwise, push it out to 2025. It does seem like it should be on the Annunciation day though.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:33, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Amakuru: Apologies; it's actually four days later – the "24" in the year threw me off track. That is, three days in between one Renaissance painting of a religious subject and another. Would that still be acceptable? As "Recently featured" has three entries, the van Eyck would have disappeared from it when the Correggio's time comes round. Ham II (talk) 20:48, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ham II: yeah I think that's OK, let's do it. Fingers crossed nobody will complain!  — Amakuru (talk) 11:30, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Amakuru: Looks as if Wehwalt has bumped the Memling off Wikipedia:Today's featured article/March 25, 2023 to make way for Jim Lovell on his 95th birthday. Even though this does solve our problem, it would be a shame to have to nominate the Memling at WP:TFAR a fourth time. I don't suppose Wikipedia:Today's featured article/March 25, 2024 could be reserved for it? Ham II (talk) 19:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

We schedule spots in order, because we don't know what choices we will be faced with a year in advance, some nomination of greater merit may be made. But I've added it to WP:TFAP with a note, and so it won't be overlooked. Wehwalt (talk) 20:16, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Wehwalt: Ah, yes, I'd forgotten about WP:TFAP – thanks! Ham II (talk) 20:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Amakuru, Ham II, and Wehwalt: It's probably worth remarking that the Annunciation will be celebrated on April 8 in 2024 due to the vagaries of the liturgical calendar. So it might be worth featuring it on this date next year, or else postpone it again if we want to keep it on the usual March 25 date. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 21:26, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Can we change Putin's photo???

I really, really do not need to see putin's face every time I go to the Wikipedia main page. He is arguably the mose evil man since hitler and stalin. Can we maybe NOT NOT NOT see his face every time we go to the main page? Can some responsible adult in the room with the ability, to remove the photo or change it to something not so nausea-inducing?? Please?? Dr.gregory.retzlaff (talk) 17:33, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

We'll rotate it out when we have a new image to feature. The 2023 World Baseball Classic championship is tonight, so by tomorrow, we may be able to use a photo of Mike Trout or Shohei Ohtani. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:47, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Dr.gregory.retzlaff Please see WP:NOSEE for options to suppress the display of images. 331dot (talk) 17:51, 21 March 2023 (UTC)