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December 28

Page References Cite Error

I made a edit to a page (Atari VCS (2021 console) which used a different cite source. This was done in the infobox. Everything looks good except in the References section the old source shows as Cite error: The named reference Atari Annual Meeting was invoked but never defined. I am not sure how to remove this error. I am not sure how to resolve this.

Atari VCS (2021 console) Elosnoc (talk) 00:17, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

@Elosnoc, in your edits you replaced a named reference, "ref name="Atari Annual Meeting", with a different reference with more up-to-date information. However the reference is also used elsewhere in the infobox and your removal of the definition caused the problem. I will fix it by copying the full reference definition back in. Visual Editor, which you were using, usually takes care of this automatically. But it seems to have problems when the reused named references like this are in a template like the infobox. StarryGrandma (talk) 00:28, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Print Edition

Where can I buy the print edition of Wikipedia, how many volumes is it, and how much does it cost? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.58.224.147 (talk) 00:27, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

143.58.224.147 (talk) 00:28, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Size of Wikipedia. Currently about 2657 volumes the size of a volume of the Encyclopedia Briticannica. You can download it and arrange to have it printed at an approximate price of $10.00 per volume.-Arch dude (talk) 01:01, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

ummm, WOW. Nicely illustrated.

This article might also be helpful: Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:33, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Only £26,000 for all of Wikipedia? Sign me up. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:08, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, it's now up to 3087 volumes, but maybe you can get a discount. Please note that this is the text-only version. It will be quite a bit bigger if you want the illustrated version, and each volume will cost more to print because of color printing. -Arch dude (talk) 15:59, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Print Wikipedia * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:32, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Userboxes

This question might not belong here, but where can I find a list of all the userboxes? InfernaIBaze (talk) 01:43, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

No one is maintaining a complete list of every userbox in existence, but several incomplete lists exist such as Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:47, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! InfernaIBaze (talk) 01:51, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Most of them should be in Category:Userboxes and its many, many subcategories. There are thousands. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:04, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much!! And happy new year! InfernaIBaze (talk) 00:52, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Chippendales

There is something weird going on at Chippendales , the article is poorly written and controlled by people who admit a WP:COI. I added WP:RS and paraphrased the info. I did not read the talk page first. Who does? There seems to be an attempt keep the page written as an advertisement for customers and not an encyclopedic article. 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 02:55, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:0mtwb9gd5wx&diff=1129878831&oldid=1129849784

0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 03:01, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

0mtwb9gd5wx, there has been an ongoing campaign for several years to add the name Bruce Nahin to that article, and to overstate and inflate his importance. I have semi-protected the article for a year as a result. I see that you also tried to add Nahin's name, and also used the unreliable clickbait Newsweek site as a reference. That article is obviously promotional. See WP:NEWSWEEK. As for the editor with an admitted conflict of interest as a former employee, that editor limits himself to edit requests on the article talk page, which is entirely appropriate. In my opinion, Nahin appears to be a fabulist and his claims about himself are without merit. Cullen328 (talk) 18:41, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Your stories

I have been donating to support your website for several yrs now and yes did so this yr. However, this is likely the last time that I will. The reason for this is that I’m seeing over and over again, how people are able to edit material on themselves and so your articles are not completely factual. It’s happening more and more over time. If I’m going to your site to find information, I’m starting to question the authenticity of your material.

Until I see this change I will no longer support your site financially. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.171.12 (talk) 05:50, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

As someone who practices skepticism, I encourage people to critically think about the material they ingest rather than accepting it as gospel. People are strongly discouraged from creating or editing articles about themselves per WP:AUTO, and those that cross the line find themselves blocked eventually. If you want to take your money elsewhere that's totally fine; the Wikimedia Organization isn't hurting for funds anytime soon. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 08:05, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

All editorial decisions and actions hare accomplished by unpaid self-selected volunteers, so for this particular problem, your donation decision has no effect. If you want to help fix this problem, start editing articles. Revert those bad edits. Add notices about WP:COI. You have just as much authority and responsibility as the rest of us. Start small by commenting on the article's talk pages until you get some experience, and then learn a little about how we handle COI, and then jump right in. Good luck! We need you. -Arch dude (talk) 15:50, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

I wanted to refresh this page which now has new information that can be added.

Wrong forum

A page directed me here to say this but the user detailed under the section ‘Editor's edit summaries (language, tone)’ is highly disruptive and I was wondering what can be done about it. Here is the thread :) Hey all, good morning. I'm concerned by Sparkle1 (talk · contribs) and the tone they use in edit summaries. This has been in the back of my mind for a while, and I've stopped myself from making a big thing about it, but I think maybe we've got to a point where a little advice is needed. I'm not an admin so my actions are limited. . Use of the phrase "stupid new inclusion" and "cancerous" here - [1] . Removal of a large amount of content without a summary here - [2] . A run of edits on Leeds Council election articles using somewhat theatrical language here [3] which I did mention in the project page here [4] where I tagged Sparkle1 without their input to date. At the beginning of the month they had some back and forth on their talk page with very harsh and uncooperative language ("I am completely not interested") here [5]. I would like to ask if I'm right to be concerned by their tone and language, whether I am being too "soft" in being concerned here? They seem to be very constructive editors in some ways but there are moments of conflict and temper that I now think might need guidance in dealing with. Once I've posted this here, I'll put the link on their talk page. doktorb wordsdeeds 06:13, 17 May 2021 (UTC) Unfortunately, this page isn't for resolving editor issues. I hope to find the time to write an essay collecting all the recommendations for dealing with "disruptive" editors. Unfortunately, I've only gotten as far as collecting links to some of the "how to" pages. Here's my list: ● https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_requests/Guide ● https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_requests ● https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution#Resolving_user_conduct_disputes ● https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disruptive_editing#Dealing_with_disruptive_editors ● https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Competence_is_required Hope this helps. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 15:56, 17 May 2021 (UTC) I agree, this should be dealt with. The user in question has many notices on their talk page for changing an article to suit their opinion, especially on LGBT rights articles. In talk pages, the user uses lots of biased information and is ready to start edit wars on purpose in order to get their way. The user also has been known to swear on talk pages and threaten people while editing in the edit summaries, and seems to think that they are always correct and they have the power to accept others’ contributions. 14:19, 4 December 2022 diff hist  −2,318‎  Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill ‎ →‎Opposition to the bill: lets not play the spin game these are just anti-trans groups not women's rights groups they can call themsleves women's rights groups but the fail the duck test also tone town the JRK pushing 12:44, 9 October 2022 diff hist  −818‎  User talk:Sparkle1 ‎ Undid revision 1115006426 by Sahaib (talk) Please do not interact with me on this platform again unless it is in relation to content on an actual discussion page of an article, Think first before making such absurd comments, as you have just come across inflammatory and a hypocrite. 10:13, 9 October 2022 diff hist  −636‎  User talk:Sparkle1 ‎ Undid revision 1114921452 by Sahaib (talk) Don't waste my time complaining then do the exact same thing I did you bad faith wally 15:26, 16 December 2021 diff hist  +83‎  2021 Batley and Spen by-election ‎ Shove your shitty formatting, shove your two decimal points and shove your New up your backside. Have some respect for how is should be done and not some bastardised lay criminal way Tag: Reverted 01:33, 12 December 2021 diff hist  +14‎  North Shropshire (UK Parliament constituency) ‎ →‎Results: Fixed formatting which was criminally bad and eliminated the horrendous use of New instead of N/A 22:26, 2 August 2021 diff hist  −2,007‎  User talk:Sparkle1 ‎ →‎August 2021: You are using bad sources and stop trolling and making rubbish up do not post here again or i will report you for POV pushing and failing to use reliable sources Tag: Manual revert Bias and swearing in talk page: Talk:Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill#Proposed changes “You clearly want reasoning here so here goes. First of the only lack of neutrality is in your head, there isn't actually any, you are seeing a lack of neutrality because it goes against what you want to be portrayed in the article. You hammer on about this 'revolt' crap; 7 I repeat 7 members of the SNP out of 64 voted against it. Leave the hysteria in the Guardian, the Scotsman and other news publications. This is not a news site. This is an encyclopaedia. Calling it a revolt is POV pushing and that is not going to happen in this article. The group you mentioned, such as "for women Scotland" and "Fair Play for Women", have a single purpose of removing the rights of trans people and excluding them from society. LGB Alliance calls itself an LGB group but in court revealed it is mainly supported by straight people. They are also well documented in pushing anti-trans agendas, and in Australia were recently designated an anti-trans hate group. So they get called what the are Anti-Trans groups. The duck test says they are anti-trans Wikipedia is not for their propaganda. trans-exclusionary is just a fancy term for anti-trans. These are groups who bring lawsuits to try and exclude trans people from society and try and remove the rights of trans people in court.” On user talk page: “Please don't remove talk page posts that other editors have replied to. You may be able to collapse them or archive them.” (Sparkle1) “It is perfectly acceptable to remove posts that are off-topic, against Wikipedia rules and are vandalism. Using the Hubbard talk page to push transphobia is perfectly fine to delete. Wikipedia is not a forum and talk pages are not a sanctuary where anything posted is never subject to deletion. the rules are strict and the bar is high but pushing transphobia and intentionally misgendering is grounds for removal. Please fully read the rules on talk pages.” On user talk page: “Hi Sparkle1! I noticed you keep re-adding a change to Abigail Thorn that I have removed with the justification of MOS:OVERLINK. This is edit warring as you are not attempting to discuss your changes, either through edit summaries or talk pages. Note that edit warring can apply to any number of edits over any time period. If you would like to respond with a reason, I can bring this explanation to Talk:Abigail Thorn to see what other editors think. Otherwise, can you please remove the link? Thanks! — Bilorv (talk) 21:55, 10 December 2022 (UTC)” “It is a standard explainer and not an overlink. Nothing more to say about the content. Now turning to you as an editor, stop acting like you own the lede. You are also going on about edit warring, when you are doing the same. Pot Kettle Balck stinks. Please do not post here again. You are not the owner of any article or space on Wikipeida. You are free to start any discussion you like but I am not going through you as a gatekeeper. You do not own the Abigail Thorn article or any other article, you are not able to gatekeep any other editor and you need to cease with this kind of softly-softly patronising, lording it over, and article ownership by the above gatekeeping ludicrousness of 'if you would like to respond with a reason, I can bring this explanation to Talk:Abigail Thorn to see what other editors think". If you want to start a discussion go for it but I am not giving you my replies for you to then offer them to others. Get stuffed and grow up. Sparkle1 (talk) 17:42, 14 December 2022 (UTC)” Scientelensia (talk) 12:01, 28 December 2022 (UTC) Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests/Archive 132 Scientelensia (talk) 12:07, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

@Scientelensia: This is not the appropriate venue to raise these concerns. Please go to WP:ANI and read the instructions there carefully. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:52, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

The OP now has a topic ban as an arbitration enforcement sanction. - David Biddulph (talk) 05:26, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

What is the difference between - and – ?

I have found the 2022–23 Bangladesh Premier League players' draft article and the 2022-23 Futsal Club Championship article to have different dashes used between the years 2022 to 2023. The first uses – while the other uses - .

(Google is having trouble giving me results as it just keeps deleting these dashes in the actual search and just keeping the 'vs' so I'm asking you all!)

edit: I think according to Manual of Style/Dates and numbers § Ranges the second article's (2022–23 Bangladesh(...)) name should be changed. Am I correct?

3point1415 (talk) 14:33, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

See MOS:DASH. 2022-23 Futsal Club Championship should be moved to 2022–23 Futsal Club Championship.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:46, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! It seems like my findings contradict yours, would you mind taking a look at my new edit? 3point1415 (talk) 14:51, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @3point1415: The specific guideline about the use of en dashes in date ranges is MOS:DATERANGE. The short answer is that 2022-23 Futsal Club Championship should be moved to a title with an en dash (2022–23 Futsal Club Championship) rather than a hyphen, which will leave a redirect at the title with a hyphen to allow it to be searched for in that way. Deor (talk) 14:50, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

More significantly, this is about a future event, and contains no real independent references. So I have boldly draft-ified it. Feline Hymnic (talk) 16:31, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Wrong birth date

Hi if you check my Wikipedia page it has my birthday wrong - it is 31 December, not 13… Thanks Chris Stringer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Regnir (talk • contribs) 18:41, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Immediately above where you posted your message it says: "Ask your question at the bottom of this page ...", so I have moved your message from the top of the page to the right place chronologically & added a section heading. Your message will presumably not have been noticed where it was misplaced, but I think the answer would have been that the previous date of birth in Chris Stringer wasn't supported by any reference to an independent reliable source so ought not to have been added. Please note also for the future that messages on talk pages such as here ought to be terminated with a signature. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:47, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

@Regnir Note that Wikipedia has two articles for Chris Stringer, namely Chris Stringer and Chris Stringer (footballer). The former had an uncited DOB which has now been removed. Our guidance at WP:DOB points out that articles should only include such private information if it has been widely published in reliable sources. Should you wish to have the information included at Chris Stringer (and there is no reason why you should), please make an {{edit request}} at Talk:Chris Stringer citing such sources. You should not directly edit that article yourself owing to your obvious conflict of interest. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:22, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Can I retrieve my edit summary when I encounter an edit conflict?

I generally put some effort into each edit summary. When "Publish changes" fails because of an edit conflict but I still want to make my changes, can I retrieve my edit summary from somewhere so that I can reuse it? Peter Brown (talk) 18:11, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

@Peter M. Brown: The edit summary is in a normal edit summary field on the edit conflict screen. It's not at the bottom so you have to scroll up if you start from there. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:32, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Your edit was not saved because it contains a new external link to a site registered on Wikipedia's blacklist - Google

I got the above error message when I tried to save a page where I'd used the url - https://www.google.com/url? search (this page won't let me save the url either), followed by sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjS4ofBgp38AhUETGwGHW4SAcwQFnoECBwQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tasman.govt.nz%2Fdocument%2Fserve%2FBiodiversity%2520Overview%2520Information%2520on%2520the%2520Special%2520Native%2520Animals%2520and%2520Insects%2520in%2520Tasman%2520District.pdf%3FDocID%3D28027&usg=AOvVaw2m4QdIbHPH1Ih9OVHw_eUg.

MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist/Common requests says I should find an alternative, but I've searched www.tasman.govt.nz and can't find the page. What's the solution please? Johnragla (talk) 20:14, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

The blacklist is complaining about Google's URL shortener, not the page you're linking to. Linking to https://www.tasman.govt.nz/document/serve/Biodiversity%20Overview%20Information%20on%20the%20Special%20Native%20Animals%20and%20Insects%20in%20Tasman%20District.pdf?DocID=28027 directly works. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:16, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I must have used a space, rather than slash when I tried to convert it. Johnragla (talk) 20:21, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

@Johnragla Google queries are not good references, because the specific results that Google returns can change from minute to minute, and they won't be the same for the next reader. You can USE Google to find sources, but when you cite a source in a draft or article, you should use the exact page link that has the info, not the search query. David10244 (talk) 07:38, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Notability

If the only sources I can find about a person are obituaries, is that person notable enough for an article? Mucube (talk • contribs) 21:07, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Possibly. It depends on whether those obituaries are 1) reliably published and 2) independent (eg., were they written by a family member or colleague of the deceased, or by somebody with no particular connection?). There is also a question of how many obituaries, and whether they are actually different or some are recycled from others. ColinFine (talk) 21:42, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Sharing Of Wikipedia Articles

I would like to share articles with associates via e-mail. Major sites such as YouTube, et al have 'Share' deals where one can send copies via e-mail, Twitter and so forth. But Wikipedia does not seem to allow such sharing. Am I missing something?...If so, please advise...If not, Wikipedia should immediately add a prominent link to allow such sharing. Thank you for any assistance.

TOM 2601:88:8001:F1E0:707D:3D4:CFBB:262D (talk) 23:07, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

TOM: Sites such as you mention are all social media sites. Wikipedia is a reference work, and there is a strong aversion among our editors against any feature which reeks of a social media interface. On the other hand, it is quite easy to copy the URL of any given article from your browser's address box, then copy and paste the URL into an e-mail or text message to your associates. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:24, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

If you're using Google Chrome, there's an innate share function on the right-hand side of the address bar. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:31, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

December 29

Help for official website of Kristy Kowal

"No URL found. Please specify a URL here or add one to Wikidata". I need help here because I want to know how to enter the website and type in kristykowal.com in the external links of the articles of Kristy Kowal, the Olympian, and Silver Medalist as a swimmer. 100.2.114.167 (talk) 06:55, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Does using the complete URL syntax work? I am not completely sure, but try adding http://www. to the front of what you have. David10244 (talk) 07:42, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Change page name

Hello,

I am new to this and tried to create a new page, but can't see to change the page name:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lockhajb/sandbox

I want to change the page name to "Old Lockhart House". Any help to do this is much appreciated.

thanks Lockhajb (talk) 07:25, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

If you were to submit the sandbox draft for AFC review and if it were to be accepted for publication in mainspace, the reviewer would sort out the article title, but obviously at the moment it's nowhere near fit for mainspace. You need to read the various useful links which were provided to you in the welcome message on your user talk page a number of years ago. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:34, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

When you are reading the tutorial and other links, two of the things for you to look at are the Manual of Style and the guidance on referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:39, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

If you follow David Biddulph's advice, you won't need to manually create a table of contents. The Wiki software will take care of that. David10244 (talk) 07:48, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

I will, however, move it from a generic sandbox to "Draft" space. See Draft:Old Lockhart House. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:34, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

IP

Hi everyone. I am not at home but spending some days at a countryside home. I noticed that the IP was blocked by WP.

But I can edit via my username. My fearful question is: will I be mistakenly taken as the person whose IP is blocked?

My original home IP ends in .81

Thanks.

-CoryGlee (talk) 08:07, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, CoryGlee. If you edit productively using your account, you have very little to worry about. If you run into any problems, please follow the procedure described at Wikipedia:IP block exemption. Cullen328 (talk) 08:29, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Oh thank you Cullen328, yes! I have never had a single trouble in three and a half years. So be sure about that. Thanks for that link though in case I cannot edit these days. CoryGlee (talk) 09:02, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Misgendering a notable persons child within an article

An article about a notable person misgenders one of their children, with a citation from many years ago. There is no article or notable writing documenting this child's change of gender, so the page remains inaccurate. How would this go about being changed to reflect the correct gender of the child? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.14.6.105 (talk) 11:47, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

@82.14.6.105 You gotta link the article for us to be of any help here. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contribs)} 11:49, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

(ec) If there is nothing documenting the gender, how are you aware of it? You don't mention which article this refers to, but it's possible that the gender doesn't need to be mentioned at all if, for example, the child is a minor. 331dot (talk) 11:50, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liam_Byrne

-knowledge from an unpublished primary source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.14.6.105 (talk) 11:52, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

I changed the text to not refer to any gender at all. Hopefully this is a good solution in the meantime. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contribs)} 11:54, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

We can't use an unpublished primary source, as that is impossible to independently verify. However, there isn't a need to mention the gender at all(as noted above)? 331dot (talk) 14:12, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

A template like {{in universe}} that doesn't mention fiction

Does anyone know if there is a template similar to the {{in universe}} template, but with out the "work or element of fiction" wording? I'm wanting to use it on an article about a religious concept, that is written in such a way that it takes for granted both the veracity of the religious beliefs, and the reader's familiarity with them. In other words - it is written for someone steeped in the universe of that religion, and is not accessible to people outside it.

That said, although I do not believe or practice that religion, I recognize that it is insulting to insinuate that someone's deeply held beliefs are a "work of fiction". I think there is a difference between religious beliefs and true fiction. So I'm looking for something like the in universe template, that leaves the question of fiction or fact out of the message. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:49, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Template:Context?

DonIago (talk) 15:58, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

That should help. Thanks! ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:05, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, @ONUnicorn and @Doniago, that template says "Place (the Context template) at the top of an article of which you believe does not identify itself sufficiently to readers unfamiliar with its subject". It will place the article into categories including "Category:Wikipedia introduction cleanup". Maybe that's OK though. David10244 (talk) 00:59, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

'TemplateStyles' src attribute must not be empty.'

I received this message after creating Erişti, Midyat. I've created many articles like this one but this is first time this message shows up. Thanks in advance. Semsûrî (talk) 18:21, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

And now its gone. Semsûrî (talk) 18:54, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

@Semsûrî: I don't see it either and the source text has no templatestyles code so I guess it was a temporary error in one of the used templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:01, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

December 30

Misgendering Greta Thunberg

On Greta Thunberg's wikipedia page, she/her pronouns are used to describe them the entirety of the page. However, they use they/them pronouns, and there are many articles online stating such. It's a protected page, so I'm pretty sure I'm unable to edit it, as it didn't give me an edit option? If someone would be able to fix their pronouns on their Wikipedia page or somehow give me access to do it, that would be respectful to them and their gender.

Deallabastian (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Deallabastian this has been discussed previously, however if you are able to provide a reliable source which state's Greta's preferred pronouns you would be best suited to start a new discussion of the topic on the article's talk page. Greyjoy ^talk 04:28, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Zero evidence from reliable sources has been presented so far. Social media chit-chat and speculation is of no value on this encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 08:48, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

No reliable sources have published this information, please find any reliable source(s) to back-up your question. Thanks! StarryNightSky11 ^☎ 23:59, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Reattribution of IP to account

Hi,

I recently created an account and have edits under an IP address. Is it possible to reattribute them to my new account name? The other page is not being updated since 2005, so I'm not sure where else to ask. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks. CISEditor (talk) 04:56, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

The attribution of the earlier edits can't be changed, but you can put a note on your user page to say which IP address you previously used. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:28, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Where to start a discussion on whether an editor's edits can be reverted on sight?

I have been involved with an topic- and permanently-banned editor whose litany of unprovoked engvar and engvar-like changes (without consensus, no less) makes it difficult and time-wasting to seek consensus for every little area that they changed. If I were to seek consensus every time, it would probably take tens of RMs and a few RfCs, not to mention hundreds of edits, to revert every engvar change that they made.

Is there a way to start a discussion to the effect of "Can edits of this editor which are solely engvar- or engvar-like changes be reverted on sight"? This is much more effective, and although it would certainly waste time, it would be way less time than the scores of discussions... Or should I just be bold like the pertinent editor? NotReallySoroka (talk) 05:01, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

You could probably guess whom the editor is, but I still don't want to be the first to name names. NotReallySoroka (talk) 05:03, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

NotReallySoroka, if you know for certain, and could prove on request, that the edits are made by a banned user, reversion of their edits is endorsed by WP:BANREVERT and exempt from the three-revert rule. Edit warring to revert style changes is probably unwise, and reporting the user is likely to be about as fast and less disruptive. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 05:55, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers: Said t-banned and permanently blocked (sorry, my mistake) user did not really evade their sanction. Instead, they made the style changes when they were still free. NotReallySoroka (talk) 08:32, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry I misunderstood! I'm not sure what the best venue for such a discussion would be, but if the editor focused on a particular topic area, a WikiProject talk page might get the most input from interested editors. Good luck! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:05, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! NotReallySoroka (talk) 08:31, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

People born in Goa prior to statehood in 1987

I had some random thoughts about the possible birthplace issues with people born before 1987. If we look at the history of the Indian state, Goa was an union territory before attaining statehood in 1987. I had some questions regarding this;

• Are people born between 1961 & 1987 who are notable and have Wikipedia articles birth places change to Goa, Daman and Diu instead of simply Goa? Since Goa was clubbed together with Daman and Diu to form an union territory.
• Should articles of subjects born and died prior to 1947 in Portuguese India, consider Indian or Luso-Indian? Or should we simply avoid it? Since India at that time was under the British rule.

✠ Rejoy2003 ✠ (contact) 07:40, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

I found no indication in the MOS. I would say to avoid nationality entirely, following the examples of our articles Muhammad Ali Jinnah or Dayanand Bandodkar ("founder of Pakistan"/"Chief Minister of Goa" instead of "was a Pakistani/Gaon politician"). Of course, that may not always be possible, but a specific example might help to give a better answer. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:04, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Same title of Draft and Redirect

How can we move a Draft article to mainspace if there's the same title but it is a Redirect page? 98Tigerius (talk) 07:54, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

@98Tigerius Assuming this is about Draft:Boys Planet you should submit it for review in the usual way. If accepted, the reviewer will sort out any needed moves and redirects. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:43, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the information! 98Tigerius (talk) 13:19, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Can't get my donation to process.

The 3 digit number for the credit card does not work. I have tried on other days as well as this morning. 2600:380:A60D:1940:F21F:82F9:D8AC:B773 (talk) 10:20, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

We have nothing to do with the donation process; please email donate (at) wikimedia dot org with any donation inquiries. 331dot (talk) 10:52, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

AN ARTICLE ABOUT MYSELF

How can I edit an article about myself . — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaajBoy (talk • contribs) 12:06, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

@MaajBoy If you are the subject of an existing article, please read this linked page for full details. If you mean "how can I create an article about myself" the please read WP:AUTO for all the reasons that might not be a good idea. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:38, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Writing an article about yourself is strongly discouraged as it creates a Conflict of interest other Wikipedia policies advise against it. StarryNightSky11 ^☎ 00:26, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Question about death places

What should we list on death places, neighborhood or city? I'm asking this because users keep listing Pelé's place of death as Morumbi, a neighborhood, when in reality per Brazilian press standards, deaths are listed by city and state, so his death place should be listed as São Paulo, São Paulo, Brazil, more accurately: [[São Paulo]], [[São Paulo (state)|São Paulo]], [[Brazil]].

Neighborhoods in Brazil hold no administrative or legal power over its areas or inhabitants, in reality they don't actually exist, and are mere popular conventions to deliver mails, with lines between neighborhoods being blurred sometimes. Bastewasket (talk) 12:25, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

• MOS:BIRTHPLACE is silent on the subject, it only says: Birth and death places, if known, should be mentioned in the body of the article, and can appear in the lead if relevant to notability, but not in the opening brackets alongside the birth and death dates. I would say it is a matter for local consensus. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:50, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Available Information

I have been using Wikipedia for several years, and I have donated. I use the service primarily to locate info on TV programs, specifically a list of episodes. I have noticed recently that the info I'm looking for is less and less available. More and more often my search for a list of tv program episodes yields no info. Please re-emphasize and update this info more often. I cannot continue to donate if you do not provide the info I need/want. 2600:1702:38E0:8490:C44B:12B0:3B68:A848 (talk) 12:54, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

IP editor. This is a volunteer project and those who contribute receive nothing from your donations. Why not save your cash and instead help by adding useful content: including episode details if that is what most interests you? Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:00, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

IP editor. It is no use coming onto this forum and talking about what "Wikipedia" needs to prioritize. Wikipedia is written by thousands of volunteers who individually undertake projects that they choose to undertake. The articles you're reading, and wish Wikipedia would improve, likely have Talk pages. Those Talk pages will often say that the article is of interest to this or that Project in Wikipedia. If you go to one of those projects and say that you think this or that page should be changed in this or that way, you MIGHT get results. But there's still no guarantee; if nobody reading your suggestion chooses to take it on, nothing will happen. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:11, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Categories not appearing

Check out the very bottom of Array slicing. Now try editing it. Many of the categories, which do exist, simply do not show up in the article. Anyone know why? 108.168.93.43 (talk) 16:38, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

A number of the categories are hidden categories. You won't see them unless you enable "Show hidden categories" at Special:Preferences#mw-input-wpshowhiddencats. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:52, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Unregistered users can see them by clicking "Page information" in the left pane of the desktop site. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:10, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok... but why. What is the purpose of hiding some of these cats and not others when they are essentially identical? 108.168.93.43 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 23:42, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

A discussion started many years ago at Category talk:Articles with example code#Hiddencategory. You may wish to reopen that discussion. - David Biddulph (talk) 00:05, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

It makes sense to me that the general reader does not need to see a long list of maintenance categories, and might just find them confusing. They are more relevant and helpful to editors, and I suggest all serious editors turn them on. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:49, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Newspaper clippings images as references

I am trying to write an article about a notable Australian fashion designer, but most of the references mentioning her name are newspaper clippings in the form of images. And the problem is that these are no longer in any online archives as most of them were been published before 2009. What's the solution? How can I use these images to prove an entry for the fashion label is needed and how to reference to these images? Hamidvs (talk) 21:17, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Hamidvs. There is no requirement that reliable sources be available online, and the image you describe would likely be copyright violations if posted online. Make sure that any references to newspaper articles include the article title, the author(s) (if known), the name of the newspaper, the publication date, the page number and the city (if not part of the newspaper name. Cullen328 (talk) 22:29, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

@Hamidvs, per WP:OFFLINE, there is no absolute requirement that a citation must have a weblink, though it's a practical thing to have when available. You can cite books, old newspapers etc that are not online if they are WP:RS. Use something like Template:Cite news, and fill it with the info you have: publisher ("work"), title of article, author, date of publication are the important ones. Page number if you have it. Check Skeeter Reece for some examples in the ref-section. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:46, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

2022 Southwest Airlines flight delays

Are the simultaneous merge and move discussions for 2022 Southwest Airlines flight delays not a violation of WP:MULTI? --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:42, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

It won’t let me edit

I tried to edit my draft but it won’t let me I put in the correct captcha but it just keeps giving me a new captcha help how am I supposed to edit my draft — Preceding unsigned comment added by 我的兄弟姐妹太多了他們都很煩人 (talk • contribs) 21:49, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

You edited your draft two minutes before making this post. It is a long way from being an article, as you have no independent reliable sources to support its content. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 21:59, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Archiving talk page by moving it

I wasn't sure where to ask, and I couldn't find any information about this when searching. Today I happened upon two cases of users moving their own user talk pages as a manner to archive them (eg: moving User talk:Isabelle Belato to User talk:Isabelle Belato/Archive X). While I'm sure this is very practical, it also moves the page's history, making it much harder to search through it as the history begins to get split among several archives. I was wondering if this is an acceptable procedure or if it's discouraged. Isabelle Belato ^🏳‍🌈 22:49, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

See Help:Archiving a talk page/Other procedures#Move procedure. It's described there as generally no longer used, but is as far as I am aware still acceptable. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:57, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Champions Chess Tour: Should this be a disambiguation page, set index article, or article (stub)?

Hello. A week ago I created Champions Chess Tour, largely just as a way to point people to the two associated articles (Champions Chess Tour 2021 or Champions Chess Tour 2022) if they search/link to it. I more or less copied the format of Nord Stream, and so added the set index article tag, though I'm not sure if this was correct (Onel5969 later added a notability tag to the page). Is it fine as it was? Should I remove the one line of sourced text and call it a DAB page? Should it have a stub tag instead of a set index tag and be formatted as an actual article? Thanks. Endwise (talk) 23:36, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

As it's a small article with not much information yet, it could be considered as a stub until more content is added at a subsequent time.StarryNightSky11 ^☎ 00:30, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

That's not the question I asked. Endwise (talk) 00:39, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@Endwise: Two editions of the same event is not a set index or disambiguation. If it's short then it's a stub. If you are willing to spend a little more time then you can copy some lines and references from each article, maybe making a brief section for each season with a {{main}} link. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:47, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

December 31

Twinkle

I used to use Twinkle a lot to revert vandalism. Then I retired from Wikipedia, and now I returned. But the Twinkle buttons of revert and rollback are no longer there in the edit history of articles, it's only the regular "undo" button. what happened to the Twinkle features? I checked and I still have Twinkle enabled. Philosophy2 (talk) 02:59, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Philosophy2! Have you tried turning it off and back on again? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:07, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Philosophy2 I'd say you check your twinkle preferences, particularely under "General" "Turn off the selected Twinkle modules:" (you do not want "Revert and Rollback" to be checked here) and under "Revert and rollback" "Show rollback links on these pages:" Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:16, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

English language

Why does Wikipedia use present tense to describe events that occurred in the past? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:9800:B513:6621:9D9:6D8D:E93F:4311 (talk) 04:25, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Can you give an example? —C.Fred (talk) 04:26, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

The guideline for tense is at MOS:TENSE. We use present tense in many cases, including for books, TV shows, movies, etc. even if those works were produced in the past and are no longer produced, since they still exist. But we should use past tense for events in the past. If you see articles using present tense to describe past events, please provide examples. CodeTalker (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

We have six million articles. Always say where you saw something. We have no way of telling why an unindentified page does something or whether it should change. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:21, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

IP editor. The historical present may even be the accepted way to describe events from the past. It all depends on context, so as already suggested you need to give an example of where you think an article has this wrong. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:24, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Help to correct the reference to the 2000 Greece adjutant of the Army Alkiviadis Stefanis

I need help here to correct the reference for the Adjutant of the Greek Army Alkivadis Stefanis for the President of the Hellenic Republic Constantinos Stephanopoulos in Greece in 2000. 100.2.114.167 (talk) 05:32, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Fixed Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:16, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Death of Mahsa Amini

Someone moved the page to Killed of Mahsa Amini and I can't undo it but Killed just doesn't make any sense. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:47, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Solved by Liz!. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:48, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Tracy Caulkins was transfer from Sports Reference to Olympedia reference biography

I want to explain with all the help to make an updates that I make mistakes. Can you help me? Swimmer Gold medalist and Olympic Champion Tracy Caulkins was transfer from Sports Reference when the Olympic Sites was closed on May 26, 2020 and it's moved to Olympedia.org. I can prove it. www.sports-reference.com/olympics.html and https://www.olympedia.org/athletes/50983 It's all in her story reference. Can you do it for me and make an updates. I want to learn it. Thank you. I'll apologize. And I'm sorry. 100.2.114.167 (talk) 09:22, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for wanting to improve Wikipedia, but the correct place to suggest improvements to any article is on the Talk page of the article in question. Please be more specific (e.g. for text X substitute text Y) and be sure to include a WP:Reliable source to back up your suggestion. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:42, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Help with Persian

Scholarly sources say that the Persian name of Mount Ararat is کوه نوح, Kūh-e Nūḥ, which is presumably the traditional name. But Persian Wikipedia has کوه آرارات (Ararat). So can any native Persian speaker help figure this out. Is Kūh-e Nūḥ the traditional name and is not currently in use? What do Persian maps say? Thanks. --Երևանցի ^talk 12:42, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Yerevantsi, this is a helpdesk for questions about editing en Wikipedia, and helpers are unlikely to speak Persian. You could try Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. You could also try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Iran if your question does relate to editing the encyclopedia. TSventon (talk) 13:10, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Now at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language#Help with Persian. TSventon (talk) 14:09, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

How do I insert a star symbol in a name?

There is a game called Warstar (now on List of play-by-mail games) where the second "a" is actually a star symbol. This symbol is not available in the symbol drop-down list, so I used the closest symbol I could find, which is incorrect. Is there Wiki Markup for a star in place of a letter? Thanks! Airborne84 (talk) 14:06, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@Airborne84 I would have used a simple asterisk * from my keyboard (shift-8 on my PC) which is the conventional way to show a wildcard character. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:17, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Mike Turnbull. I'm OK with that, but still wondering if there is a Wiki markup star symbol. Airborne84 (talk) 15:43, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@Airborne84: How about HTML entities star and starf, resulting in ☆ and ★? --CiaPan (talk) 15:57, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@Airborne84: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks#General rules says:

• Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words or letters (e.g., "♥" used for "love", "!" used for "i") or for normal punctuation, unless a significant majority of reliable sources that are independent of the subject consistently include the special character in the subject's name.

I couldn't find any source which mentions the game under any name so it must have low notability. Do you have a link to a place showing how the star looks? "Advanced" and "Symbols" above the edit area has two stars ☆★. We use Unicode which has around 150,000 characters including many stars. Star (glyph) shows many but some may be uncommon with limited browser support. You can copy-paste symbols. If you know a Unicode code point like U+2605 then you can also write ★ to produce ★. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:00, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @PrimeHunter. No, the name is in an article from an out-of-print magazine. It's not notable enough for its own article, IMO. But it looks like the filled-in star that @CiaPan noted. Thanks!Airborne84 (talk) 19:14, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Can Anybody published this site?

What is the problem.? can anybody explained, what i did wrong? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Thiago_Piraju Tolgato93 (talk) 16:12, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@Tolgato93, well, at the very least, you might mention what sport he plays. There's a lot more, but I'll leave the rest for people more knowledgeable than I am. Uporządnicki (talk) 16:18, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@tolgato93:

1. your draft does not meet wikipedia's strict sourcing requirements for living people.
2. another big issue is that the article has a lot of spelling, grammar, and punctuation errors.
3. another issue is that there are weird formatting errors like a link to just the non-existent article at the top.
4. you have not even submitted the draft for approval yet. when the draft is ready (and it is currently not ready), add {{subst:submit}} to the top of your draft to submit.

lettherebedarklight晚安 16:36, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. i'm co-writer. Now I Understand. Tolgato93 (talk) 16:46, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Please address the undisclosed paid editing and what is your connection to the draft creator User:Santimedia (now blocked) please? Theroadislong (talk) 17:06, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Reading List on the phone app not synced to browser

I have been using the Wikipedia phone app for a couple of years to build a reading list of articles as reference for a book, and now I'm trying to work with the list on a laptop, but I can't figure out how to view my reading list. Note that this isn't a watchlist-- I don't need updates on changes in these articles-- its a collection of articles that are all of interest when I'm writing. Is there a super obvious "reading list" button on the browser version of Wikipedia that I'm just not seeing? LewBasnight (talk) 18:31, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@LewBasnight: No, your reading list cannot be seen in a browser. mw:Wikimedia Apps/Synced Reading Lists#Web browser extension says: "As of April 2019, Reading Lists can still only be viewed within Wikipedia Android and iOS apps, but there is a browser extension for adding articles to a user's Reading List from the web available on Chrome and Firefox." PrimeHunter (talk) 19:23, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, LewBasnight. Additional information is available Here and List of Wikipedia mobile applications may also be of interest. Cullen328 (talk) 19:28, 31 December 2022 (UTC)