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Re:Page AmirMehdiKazmi

Dear Teahouse, Can I request the update for the page created by me. when it will be published and if I need to do any more edit Page is AmirMehdiKazmi AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 08:52, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

AmirMehdiKazmi, there is no chance of Draft:Amir Mehdi being accepted in its current state, at it cites no sources. Maproom (talk) 09:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Actually it does. There's a list at the end. But, AmirMehdiKazmi, which part of the draft can be found where among these listed references? -- Hoary (talk) 09:41, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

You have had feedback at Draft:Amir Mehdi and at your user talk page. Please also read the advice against trying to write an autobiography. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:36, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

All the reference link are working you can click and check , can you please pin point exaclty what I need to due to get this page accepted. AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 09:55, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

AmirMehdiKazmi I would also suggest that you read about how an article about yourself is not necessarily a good thing. You offer references, but they are not in-line with the text. Every substantive statement about a living person must have a source. Please read Referencing for Beginners if you wish to proceed, but my advice is that you abandon attempting to edit about yourself and allow an article about you to be organically developed by independent editors that take note of your career in independent reliable sources with significant coverage of you. Go worry about your career, and less about a Wikipedia article. 331dot (talk) 10:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

this article is not for myself. My name is Nagma Amir. how do I contact independent editor and if there is a charge for this AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 10:44, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not charge for anything. If you are not Amir Mehdi, you should not use his name as your username. Please change your username by visiting Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to make a request. 331dot (talk) 10:53, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

thanks. I have requested the name change.

How do I request independent editor for edit of my page AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 10:58, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested Articles is severely backlogged. You may continue to edit the draft, but you must improve the sources and apply them to statements in the article as I say above. What is your connection to Mr. Mehdi? 331dot (talk) 11:01, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Amie Mehdi is my father AmirMehdiKazmi (talk) 11:51, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

AmirMehdiKazmi (talk), ya, u probably should Carsongallas (talk) 13:42, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

You need to learn how to incorporate your list of references into the text. When you do that properly, the software automatically inserts a ref number in the text and puts the numbered references under References. See Help:Referencing for beginners. For first time editors, I recommend using your Sandbox to format refs, then copy into the article after. David notMD (talk) 10:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

In Early life and education, Legal career and Personal life, I deleted a lot of content that does not belong in the article. All remaining content needs to be referenced. The remainder of the article needs a lot of work. Insert the references where they belong, and delete any content that cannot be referenced. David notMD (talk) 11:15, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Here and on your Talk page, answer 331dot's question about your connection to Amir Mehdi, as you appear to have a lot of knowledge about him that suggests a personal connection. David notMD (talk) 11:17, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Last, most of your proposed references confirm that he wrote books, stories, speeches, etc. NONE of this contributes to establishing his notability in the Wikipedia sense of the word. Same for the descriptions of his actions vis-a-vis Kashmir. Unless you can add references for what people have published ABOUT him, there is no potential that this can be an article. David notMD (talk) 11:31, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

How to ask editors for ce?

Board of Control for Cricket in India needs extensive ce by GA reviewer. I added a banner for ce there, but not many ce editors are doing work on it. How to ask some to work on an article for ce?Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 19:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Rock Stone Gold Castle You can make a ce request at the Guild of Copy Editors here. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:12, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Pyrrho the Skipper, @Rock Stone Gold Castle I did some ce, and I will do more when I get to my desktop computer where it's easier. David10244 (talk) 06:43, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I haven't gotten to this yet, but within 24 hours from now I sould bd able to, David10244 (talk) 04:08, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

im having a hard time with the draft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bite_of_a_Mango

I submitted prior but there wasn't enough articles to support the film, but as of lately it won two awards in a Toronto festival and its been in a lot of press, most recently PLAYBACK and a 9 other articles.

How do we merge or make it a visible page Torontofresh (talk) 19:39, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Torontofresh, you may want to see WP:COI. Although unrelated to your question, as a conflict of interest editor you should read this. Also note that one account cannot be shared by multiple people, see WP:ISU. Sungodtemple (talk) 19:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Torontofresh I restored the Comments and put a submit draft template at the top. Per the comments above and on the draft, address whether you have a COI and seek better refs. This may be an instance of WP:TOOSOON. David notMD (talk) 12:25, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand, how it would be an instance of WP:TOOSOON can you please clarify? Upon doing some more research I see that there is a page for another film https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Delicious_(film) which was in the same Reelworld film festival as the film above and had less coverage. It had 4 sources while Bite of a Mango has much more and both movies are mentioned in the same Playback article. Just trying to understand this better. If it make sense then I will move on to another Toronto wiki page to contribute to. thanks. Torontofresh (talk) 00:36, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Random names in Bollywood films

Bollywood films have a lot of credits where a random name will be in brackets next to someone's name ie John Smith (Dave)

Does anyone know what those random names in brackets represent?

They're not companies, they're not place names, and they're not character names...

So I suspect they're either:

• A surname that they don't normally use
• A middle name that they don't normally use, or
• A nickname

I've tried searching for some of these random names, along with the actual names of the people credited, yet I still can't work out what they're supposed to be. Danstarr69 (talk) 02:41, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I looked and can't find any examples. Could you provide one? Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 05:46, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: Hello. Do you mean actor's real name or character's name? I guess it may be character's nickname. Not sure though. Like Skipper says above, example would be good. —usernamekiran (talk) 07:16, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Usernamekiran just random names in brackets next the real names of cast and crew members.

Sometimes it will be things like:

• Companies they worked for
• Places they worked in
• Cast members they worked for

etc in brackets, however sometimes the name in brackets won't be any of them.

It'll take forever to search for all the others in the 1000s of credits I've added/updated lately, however the latest one I've found is in the opening credits of the film 1920 London (I've not gone through the end credits yet, apart from to correct the cast), where it says...

• First Assistant Director - Salar Shaikh (Raja)

What is Raja? Danstarr69 (talk) 08:54, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Pyrrho the Skipper here's another from the film Commando 3 (film)...

• Car Rig - Shahida Parveen Shaikh (Mushtaq)

What is Mushtaq? Danstarr69 (talk) 09:16, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Danstarr69 As the Wikipedia aticle doesn't go into that level of detail for cast and crew (nor should it) I don't think it matters very much. In this particular case IMDB may actually be a better source. According to the full IMDB listing, the car rig was Shahida Parveen Shaikh (the IMDB equivalent of WP:COMMONNAME) but actually credited as Shahida Parveen Shaikh Mushtaq in that particular film's credits. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:53, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull I added the name to IMDB like that, as IMDB requires "credits to be added exactly the same as they are on screen", yet there's a problem with that as brackets can't be added inside the attribute brackets.

I'm trying to concentrate on updating just 5 Bollywood feature films, however I'm getting distracted with countless more Bollywood productions which have the same cast/crew members, yet have countless names, and countless duplicate profiles, just like with every English production I update, however Bollywood ones are on an even bigger scale with the amount of misspelt names and duplicate profiles they contain.

Right now I'm trying to sort out some of the countless duplicate profiles of 3 different Bollywood music duos (who have worked on some of those films), who have been added to IMDB multiple times with misspelt names as separate people, and again with misspelt names as duos. There must be at least 20 separate profiles for those 3 duos/6 singular people. Basically there should be 9 profiles for them maximum, if you include them as individuals and duos, not 20+ profiles.

Many more of the music related people on the productions those duos have worked on also have 3+ duplicate profiles each, which I'll be merging once I've checked the credits on each production. Danstarr69 (talk) 13:08, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

All of that explains why here at Wikipedia we don't consider IMDB as a reliable source. I guess you'll have to take your issues up with them, not us. The websites have no relationship to one another. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:19, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull my issue is...

What do the random names in brackets in Bollywood films mean?

It's a question which applies to both Wikipedia and IMDB.

All the other stuff I can sort out myself, but I can't sort out those two credits until I know what those random names in brackets in the on-screen credits mean. Danstarr69 (talk) 13:49, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Raja here is a nickname. In case of Shahida Parveen Shaikh (Mushtaq) — Shaikh, and Mushtaq are last names. It seems to be nee, and new name. Not sure which one is which though. Regarding the issue in general, we should remove the bracketed names. —usernamekiran (talk) 14:58, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Usernamekiran finally an answer to one of my questions on Teahouse. I can't remember the last time that happened.

If I see anymore random names in brackets next to names in on-screen credits, I'll just add it as an extra surname in the productions credits on IMDB, then add that extra surname as a nickname on their IMDB profile.

I know that Sikh's like adding the same "Singh" to their names, as I found out a few years ago.

There's a famous Sikh family of 3 brothers who grew up near me (not that anyone in the city realises), who are have always been credited by different names...

• Sometimes they have Singh as their last name.
• Sometimes Singh is used as their middle name.
• Sometimes their first names are abbreviated
• Sometimes their first names are misspelt
• Plus two of the three brothers also have stage names

A few years ago I tried to find out whether Singh was part of their actual names, after randomly finding out that their dad had written some of their songs in a blockbuster Bollywood film, by checking their names on Companies House.

However that didn't reveal any answers as even though their dad uses Singh as his only surname, the 3 brothers still switch their Singh back and forth with other surname repeatedly, on the profiles for the companies they own. Danstarr69 (talk) 06:55, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Trove article referencing on enc.Wiki article

In an articles edit page I have referenced a trove article by trying to use a Wiki Trove template as follows:

Under the articles "References" heading it shows, as a link, as follows:

"CITY OF PERTH: Deeds of R.A.A.F. Squadron: The West Australian, Perth, WA; page 4, 25 August 1945". Trove. National Library of Australia. Retrieved 15 September 2022.

However, when I double-click on this reference I just get an error message "Title 51765008 could not be found." but if I if you copy the articles title "CITY OF PERTH: Deeds of R.A.A.F. Squadron" to https://trove.nla.gov.au/search/advanced/category/newspapers the newspaper article comes up right away.

Using this example can you advise me how fill out Wiki's Trove template correctly so the Reference links properly and directly to the article on Trove?

Maybe my problem is that I cant seem to be able to find the correct id-number at the end of the Trove url. Thanks Shellac41 (talk) 12:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC) Shellac41 (talk) 12:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Shellac41. See the box starting "This is a template for citing newspaper summary pages on Trove" at Template:Cite Trove newspaper. It can only produce url's starting with https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/title/ like https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/title/123. You don't want a newspaper summary but a specific article with the url https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/51765008. The box says: "To cite an article available at Trove, use a citation template such as {{cite news}}, {{cite web}}, or {{citation}}". PrimeHunter (talk) 13:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Shellac41 So, to be specific, I'd use "City of Perth: Deeds of R.A.A.F. Squadron". The West Australian. 1945-08-25. p. 4.. See source code for the markup. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:35, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Mike, please excuse my ignorance but I can't find on Wiki what you call "source code for the markup"? Shellac41 (talk) 03:18, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Shellac41 I suspect he means, switch from visual mode to source code so you can see how he's written the reference.

You can also see it in the edit history, or by pressing edit on this post.

It's what I do when I don't know how to do something or forgotten how to do something on Wikipedia, like making a table for example. I just go to an article where I know a table exists, copy the source code for the table, paste the source code for the table in the article I want it, and replace the information in the table with information related to the article I pasted it in. Danstarr69 (talk) 07:17, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, very helpful. Shellac41 (talk) 12:58, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Have done as suggested so hope references are correct now.Shellac41 (talk) 13:00, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

References

I need help

i want to create a article how can I do to make it Happy ending Pretty mkoliswa (talk) 14:57, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello Pretty mkoliswa. Creating an article is usually not easy for newcomers, so it is recommended to get started by helping to improve already existing articles. But for creating a new article, see Wikipedia:Your first article, and try the Article Wizard. It would be recommended to use the Articles for Creation process. Note that the subject of the article should meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, and be verifiable by citing reliable sources. Thanks, Kpddg ^(talk) 16:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Currently indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 02:49, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

You can make the article a draft and once it meets standards then it can be turned over to an article.Cwater1 (talk) 01:51, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Article about a failed musical

Ok, so I made a draft about a failed musical written by Stephen Sondheim, Square One. The draft was quickly reviewed and declined. One specific thing was said, “it probably isn’t notable if it hasn’t made it’s debut.” They also said I needed citations of substance, which given the context of the subject material, there is truly only so much a source can give. I feel as though the citations give context for what it is, who wrote it, specific important dates and timeframes. The reviewer obviously thought otherwise. Despite that I’m too stubborn to give up. So if I wanted to get it published, what is my next step? Morgo0915 (talk) 02:37, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Morgo0915, if their is limited source material consider adding a small section to Sondheim's article where it would likely be WP:DUE and then creating the title of musical as a redirect to the section in Sondheim's article. Alternatively, discussion on his talk page about the musical may uncover additional sources or guidance from those more familiar with his careerSlywriter (talk) 02:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Square One (Musical) David notMD (talk) 02:52, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Morgo0915, since Sondheim died about two months after the project was announced, I consider it unlikely that the encyclopedia would benefit from a freestanding article about it. I am certain, though, that this sentence is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article: It is truly not known at present whether or not Square One will make it’s debut, but we hope that one day it may grace the stage and it’s audience. Cullen328 (talk) 02:59, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Because of the unnecessary apostrophes? (Just kidding)David10244 (talk) 06:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Actually there are lots if "it's" that are wrong, in the draft. Pinging @Morgo0915 to fix those. David10244 (talk) 06:54, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Righting historical (in)accuracies

Hello! I am trying to improve Busch Gardens Tampa Bay (BGT) to the best as I can, accurately. I am moving onto a section where the physical diameters of the park are to be addressed, with all sources reliable or not pointing to the figure 335-acre (136 ha) (Example 1, Example 2 Example 3). As much as I could slap that statistic on the article and call it a day, historical reporting's point to a different number which amount to around the same acreage the park currently exists upon (The Tampa Tribune). I found that via a county's property appraisal website a way to look up the park's parent company, SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment, property. Individually, the total acreage owned by the company amounts to be ~ 353.58 acres (143.09 ha), the BGT park itself being a healthy 249.53 acres (100.98 ha) (minus parking lots or additional property belonging to sister water park Adventure Island).

The problem: no reliable sources support BGT being anywhere near its approximate acreage, and relate the total properties of SeaWorld's Tampa properties to the park's size. Is there a way I can cite the appraisal's website supporting its recorded 249.53 acres (100.98 ha)? If possible, how could I go about citing the total property that Busch Gardens lays upon with its sister park and additional lots owned by the parent company? Since the calculated amount, 353.58 acres (143.09 ha), differs from decades of coverage citing 335-acre (136 ha). Am I just plain wrong and need a trout? Any and all help would be appreciated! Adog (Talk・Cont) 03:47, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but since no one else has replied, I'll suggest this: you can cite any source you like, and if it's not reliable or deemed inadequate, someone else can remove it. If you have encountered a situation where the sources are, you believe, wrong, then the best you can do is cite them in the form "XXX reports the area to be...". This means that the (wrong) figure is attributed to somewhere other than Wikipedia, and we are still telling the truth (because XXX 'does' say it). If the sources all differ, you can quote a couple to give the range of estimates floating around. If any of the sources give a clue as to why they differ, by including unconnected properties, or being estimates, you can say so. The only thing you can't do is carry out your own surveying and interpretation of what the figures might be. You can only report what someone, somewhere has said/written. Elemimele (talk) 13:40, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your input and consideration. Further information on this question I had posted to another board can be found Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous#Historical acreage accuracy. Question is relatively answered. :) Adog (Talk・Cont) 00:26, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Mistakenly attributed activity

Hi, I don't edit wikipedia at all, but today i got a message saying an edit on a page my ip address apparently made in 2012 (when I was a kid and not on a computer) saying one of my edits had been removed as it " did not appear to be constructive". I was just wondering if any one knew why this could have happened specifically at this time and if there was any danger to my device/online safety. This is a 3 year old laptop. I would appreciate any clarification. Regards 220.244.78.195 (talk) 05:35, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

It was ten years ago. IPs are not tied to a particular piece of hardware, and they can change with time, so it was not you. Ignore the stale warning or delete it. Meters (talk) 06:55, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

sad

my school doesnt let us use wikipedia. it makes me sad. why wont they let us use it? 2604:2D80:AB02:A100:9885:A9F9:9632:C9C6 (talk) 07:29, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Probbably because Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:45, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

( but people work so hard 2604:2D80:AB02:A100:9885:A9F9:9632:C9C6 (talk) 07:58, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

oh well 2604:2D80:AB02:A100:9885:A9F9:9632:C9C6 (talk) 07:58, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Probably also because either 'they' don't understand how to use Wikipedia properly, or don't have the time to teach you how to do so. Rather than taking anything in Wikipedia itself as correct (for the reasons explained in the essay Victor Schmidt linked above), one should use it as a stepping-stone to the Reliable sources it cites. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.212.157.244 (talk) 08:32, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

By "...doesn't let us use..." did you mean not allowed to use Wikipedia as a reference for school assignments (see replies, above), or not allowed to use school computers to edit Wikipedia articles? David notMD (talk) 10:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Many schools don't want students using Wikipedia because Wikipedia is not always accurate. Another reason could be is because Wikipedia is not censored. Although, there are options to hide certain images. Schools has filters so their filter should be able to hide certain images. I am not an expert on that so what I'm saying may or may not be true.Cwater1 (talk) 15:17, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Many schools also do this because they worry that most of their students will only use Wikipedia, and will just produce school work copied from Wikipedia rather than reading around a number of different sources, books, other websites and so on. This is very sad, but it's a valid concern. I am also sad that many schools disapprove of YouTube, although there are many informative and educational things to be found there too. It would be better if schools educated pupils on the trustworthiness of different sources, and encouraged pupils to use every source of information. I think the schools want you to do your own work, and worry that if you just read Wikipedia, you're letting someone else do all the research. But of course it's no better if you read any other encyclopaedia or similar reference book! Good luck! Elemimele (talk) 13:46, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

You should see Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. They didn't want us using Wikipedia because it can be edited by anyone and the information is not accurate or up to date. Many reasons are because some statements are not always sourced. Sometimes that source leads to a dead link and don't have the archived link.Cwater1 (talk) 17:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Carbrook Hall

I left a message on talk page introducing myself and explaining why I wanted to edit the Carbrook Hall page As I did not get a response I went ahead and did the edit. The edit has since been removed and It was suggested that I contact this teroom page for assistance.

To Tugs04 (talk) 08:34, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Tugs04 You made a bit of a mess of things. You created Draft:Carbrook Hall and submitted it to AfC, where it was Declined. You also added most (all?) of the same content and refs to the existing artice Carbrook Hall. where it was all reverted. As for the draft, either tag it for deletion, or do nothing, in which case it will be deleted in six months. David notMD (talk) 11:00, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

As for the article, you added a mix of information about the building and more about the Bright family. The latter does not really belong. Try again, this time inserting a paragraph between the origins content and the Starbucks content. For the moment, forego the etymology content. David notMD (talk) 11:14, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi David notMD

Accept your observation in respect to AfC...this was my first attempt to edit.

However, what was the original purpose of the Carbrook Hall entry? When I read the piece I was left asking questions as to who were the Brights how could they afford to build a stone extension and why did the building end up as a pub/coffee house.

The current page mentions 1620, the Brights and the civil war. All I have tried to do is give it substance: a beginning, the rise of the Bright family through yeoman farmers to gentry. The Middle: Colonel John Bright as a leading Puritan in Sheffield and the dying out of the gentry family. And an ending: the house being left abandoned and its reinvention as a pub and coffee house. And as for the etymology: it establishes the house in the midst of the Norse settlements that were prevalent in this part of the world and explains where the name came from. So I would ask you to reconsider and allow my edit to be published. Tugs04 (talk) 09:36, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

GA Nomination Failed

I have been behind the article Mammootty to make it a GA. But I have failed after a long time. Talk:Mammootty/GA1 Can anyone explain to me what is the real problem found by the second reviewer. In short and understandable manner can anyone explain it. Did they mention that I copied from any website, or the sources says different things? Please help Paavamjinn (talk) 08:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

• The reviewer wrote "four of the five footnotes I looked at don't accurately cite the material". The reviewer looked at five footnotes. Each implied that a certain proposition was (or certain propositions were) presented in a particular source. But for four of the five sources, the proposition was (or propositions were) not in the cited source. This is a major problem; and if I had been the reviewer, it would have been enough for me to fail the article. But it's only one of several major problems. (Yes, another is plagiarism.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:22, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

WikiLove

Is there any other way to spread the love to colleagues besides Wikilove? I am enjoying being in EnWiki, i love you all. Ruwaym (talk) 10:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Ruwaym - do you know about the WP:THANK feature? Plus there's always the "old-fashioned" method - leaving a handwritten note of appreciation on their talk page(s). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Nice idea(s). Ruwaym (talk) 16:02, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Updating Issue

My reason for the update wasn't concise enough.

The domain name system could be used to create "ASCII art" and even "Word art". eg lo-ok com or 0n0 com, and the most accessible art in the form of cheap media. Radiobutton (talk) 12:07, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Appears to be about reverted edit to Word art. Right place to discuss is the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 13:37, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

RE: "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RunningStick"

Hi MrOllie/WP:TEAHOUSE "Advisers", Thanks for your feedback and your services to this free and awesome compendium of human knowledge. This is all very valuable learning for this novice contributor. The "conflict of interest" you mentioned does not exist; helping Wikipedia financially is extremely easy, trying to help/mentor/teach via content seems to have many nuances. I hope you will allow me to add a reference in the Wikipedia PyMOL article to a future iCn3D article that I produce as a novice user? RunningStick (talk) 13:18, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

RunningStick Your attempt to add iCn3D as a "See also" to the PyMOL article was reverted because iCneD does not exist as a Wikipedia article. First create the iCn3D article, using WP:YFA as a guide. You mention on your Talk page that the creator of the iCn3D software is an asociate. That means you do have a conflict of interest. See WP:COI. This does not preclude you from creating a draft, but you must describe on your Talk page the nature of your connection. David notMD (talk) 13:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Custom Pages

When I'm done creating my own page and I click submit, it does not go. It stays on the codes I typed in. So I don't make it. Can anyone tell me why or something I may be doing wrong? Thanks. Carsongallas (talk) 13:32, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

@Carsongallas: did you click "publish changes"? lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 09:52, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

update : Failed Musical Article.

I found an article that is solely and entirely about the failed project. It had a wide variety of useful information to help shape the project to look more useful and finished. I’ve also been using your suggestions here, removing details that don’t seem appropriate, grammatical errors. Anything I could find or fix. So far it’s looking pretty closed to polish and I just wanted to know if there was any other possible fixes you can see in it. Morgo0915 (talk) 13:54, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy link to Draft:Square One (Musical)  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   14:11, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Little help

Can anyone help me in creating Draft:Priyanka Choudhary Because as Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Priyanka Choudhary and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Priyanka Choudhary (2nd nomination) it was deleted because subject had only one lead role but now she is participating in colors tv reality show bigg boss. So i think it would be sufficient for Notability As you can also see in Nimrit Kaur Ahluwalia subject has only one significant role plus she is participating in Same Reality show

I don't know much about wikipedia thats why i need your help Akb bhatia (talk) 15:32, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello Akb bhatia. I'm afraid merely participating in a reality show does not make her notable in the sense we mean it at Wikipedia. What might make her notable in our sense of the word is significant coverage in reliable sources. Please see Wikipedia:Notability (people). Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:08, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

But there is Reliable sources like Hindustan times and Times of india providing significant coverage

also you can see in Nimrit Kaur Ahluwalia there are same sources Akb bhatia (talk) 16:15, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, @Akb bhatia those sources might be reliable (not sure about Times of India), but the information does not show that the subject, Priyanka Choudhary, is notable (click here). David10244 (talk) 04:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Times of India is listed at WP:RSP as "between no consensus and generally unreliable". Better sources than TOI should be used to establish notability. CodeTalker (talk) 04:32, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Would really appreciate feedback on draft space article

I've received feedback from a couple of admins about my draft space article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jay_King stating that I need to clean up my article before resubmitting, as I now have to the best of my ability.

I have edited it per their suggestions and would love any feedback on finalizing this draft to submit. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you, Pennyframstad (talk) 16:20, 23 October 2022 (UTC)pennyframstad

@Pennyframstad: I have left a comment in the draft. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your suggestions Anachronist. Can you check it out now? I really appreciate your support! Best, Pennyframstad (talk) 22:08, 23 October 2022 (UTC)pennyframstad

Am I citing this eBook properly?

I'm working on writing Draft:Silver Fire (1987 Oregon wildfire). A lot of the information comes from a PDF eBook. Am I citing it correctly? 184.21.204.5 (talk) 16:24, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

seems good to me. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 09:53, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

List of cities in Pakistan by population

Add Talagang In this list Because Talagang Become a district It is a city in Punjab, Pakistan Its Population 572,818 in this list talagang come 14 Number by its Population kindly Add Talagang in this list you Also read about talagang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talagang Cheetomalik4 (talk) 17:07, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Cheetomali, it seems from the (very poorly referenced) article Talagang that Talagang is not a city but a district. The single source says: "Former tehsils, Murree and Talagang, have been elevated to the status of districts". 17:42, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia page

how do I update my information Ira schickman (talk) 20:09, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello welcome to the Teahouse, does your enquiry relate to this Ira schickman deleted 7 years ago for copyright violation? Theroadislong (talk) 20:31, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Sorry I see you have tried to do the same here Draft:Ira Schickman and on your user page, we cannot accept copyrighted content. Theroadislong (talk) 20:33, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Citation check

I've recently rewritten a few articles: Special:PermanentLink/1114867099, Special:PermanentLink/1117611703, and Special:PermanentLink/1117848465, but I'm still a little uncertain about citation styles. I used a different style in each one (chapter citations, page number Rp citations, and page number Sfn citations, respectively). I know that it's generally a matter of preference, but I was hoping a more experienced editor could look over the citation formatting in these articles and make sure I didn't do anything wrong or let me know if there's a better way to go about citing these sources. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:14, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Thebiguglyalien, as the reader of an article, I find the system used in the Hoover article unnecessarily complex and therefore very tiresome. What's currently the second reference to the article on Pierce is important to the article as it's cited seven times; I can paraphrase it as "somewhere or other within 19 pages of [publication]", which isn't very helpful. And for one source ("Wallner 2004"), the system breaks down. The system used within the article on Harrison is easily the best of the three. -- Hoary (talk) 00:57, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Since Template:Rp is so much neater, is there any reason why it's used so rarely? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:19, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

how do I make a articles

I can't figure out how to make articles, please help! Unicornthatisamazing&awesome (talk) 23:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

@Unicornthatisamazing&awesome I recommend you go through Articles for Creation Process. Roostery123 (talk) 00:02, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Unicornthatisamazing&awesome, you should also spend some time reading and studying Your first article. It explains some very important principles. Cullen328 (talk) 01:57, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

My Article Got Declined

My Article Got Declined I Have Made the Necessary Correction Can It be submitted again? Beckyrose233 (talk) 23:58, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Godson_Umeh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beckyrose233 (talk • contribs) 23:59, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Those who denied your article said that the article fails to meet the notability requirements, which upon reading I see aswell. There are also numerous grammatical mistakes in the article, making it unsuitable for an encyclopaedia adding on to the failure to meet the notability requirements. Raymond Kestis (talk) 00:38, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Beckyrose233: Please first read Wikipedia:Golden rule and then tell us which three sources you cite are compliant with that rule. Then you need to work on cleaning up the poor English grammar in that draft. Yes, you can submit it again after you improve it further. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:43, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Beckyrose233. Let's take a close look at the first sentence of your draft, which currently reads, Godson Umeh (born 11 September 1995) is a British-Nigerian jewelry designer based in London, Who is known for his handcrafted custom jewellery, He is a founder of Godson Jewelry. That is an atrocious run-on sentence with terrible capitalization that has no place in an encyclopedia. The reference that you propose to support that sentence is to a website that is obviously regurgitating press releases or public relations activities by the subject of your draft. This is exactly the wrong way to try to write an encyclopedia article. Your draft fails to make a convincing case that this person is notable. Cullen328 (talk) 05:50, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328: I have made some improvements and grammatical corrections pls can you help me confirm this before I proceed with the next step Beckyrose233 (talk

Several refs appear to be derived from press releases. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: I did a Lil bit of cleanup already and the refs remaining there are clearly not press released as I have also submitted them via wiki live help center and they were accepted am confused can pinpoint the refs you are referring to as press releases here? the person in question help is well-known jewelry designer that has clearly worked with tons of celebrities Beckyrose233 (talk

Beckyrose233, the source "I’ve no regrets leaving school early – Jewelry Designer, Godson Umeh" is, as its title suggests, simply based on what GU has said. "‘I have plans to go global’ – Godson Umeh, Jeweller" is the same. "Godson Umeh | The Jewelry Artist Plans His Breakthrough in America" combines a starstruck profile ("shot to fame with his refined sense of luxury items and brilliant strategies to grow his business", etc) with GU's musings about his future. At this point, I stopped clicking on the links to sources. Which of the other sources would you say are the best three? -- Hoary (talk) 22:28, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hoary "I’ve no regrets leaving school early – Jewelry Designer, Godson Umeh" I read this article before adding to the draft (ref) also did some evaluation on this said article to be honest this articles was reviewed by some Wikipedia editors and deemed news worthy #Pass before, I was 100% sure to attach to the said draft and yes it clear what GU said. celebrities make posts about themself things they use to do and because of their celebrity status most of these top papers pick this post and generate it in an article i don't know if you actually read the article pls you should so as to verify this yourself.

https://independent.ng/godson-umeh-set-to-take-underprivileged-youths-off-streets-sponsor-their-education/

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2022/10/17/godson-umeh-reinvents-himself-as-the-favorite-jeweler-of-football-stars-celebrities/

https://editor.guardian.ng/arts-2/jeweler-godson-umeh-customizes-cartier-glasses-for-meek-mill/

and yes, several news coverages about GU on the internet from independent sources which I felt wasnt necessary to add Beckyrose233 (talk — Preceding undated comment added 01:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Music Artist

Hi, to whoever can help me get through this. My name is DJ Demmerneck. I am a music artist with lots of music on very different platforms like Spotify, Apple Music, TikTok, Instagram, etc.. I was wondering on how I can get my own wikipedia page for my artist name? If anyone can help me, please let me know.

Hope we can work together on someone showing me how to do it properly or if someone can make one for me.

Luke Emmers, Also Known As "DJ Demmerneck" DJ Demmerneck (talk) 01:08, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, DJ Demmerneck; Wikipedia users are all volunteers, who work on what interests them. You may create an article about yourself, provided you pass the notability criteria. Wikipedia is not social media, but an encyclopedia, meaning that it's not an indiscriminate collection of "pages". If you want to write a well-researched article about anything, please see Your first article. --Quisqualis (talk) 01:17, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

DJ Demmerneck, you might want to read An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If you become notable enough for a Wikipedia article it won't belong to you, it will be an encyclopedia article that anyone can edit. There may be a time when something unpleasant or unflattering about you is reported. That matter can become part of your Wikipedia article, and you won't be able to stop that from happening, or have the article deleted. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:51, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, DJ Demmerneck. Please read the Notability guideline for musical performers. When I do a Google search, I find plenty of expected social media profiles of you as a performer, but no significant coverage of you in reliable sources that are entirely independent of you. Can you please point out the sources that meet that standard? Cullen328 (talk) 05:27, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Quick redirect creation

Need someone to create Vinayak Krishna Gokak as redirect to Vinayaka Krishna Gokak.

"Vinayak Krishna Gokak" is used throughout not only in web and offline sources but also Wikipedia. See search results. 103.240.204.243 (talk) 03:53, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Just do [[Vinayaka Krishna Gokak | Vinayak Krishna Gokak]] to redirect properly. Raymond Kestis (talk) 04:18, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Do you think I am not aware of this? A redirect is needed instead of this unnecessary hardwork. 103.240.204.243 (talk) 04:43, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

created the redirect. for future reference, the code for a redirect is #REDIRECT [[Article name]]. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 04:59, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you lettherebedarklight! 103.240.204.243 (talk) 05:30, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Lettherebedarklight as far as I am aware, non-autoconfirmed users cannot directly create pages in mainspace, redirect or otherwise. 103.240.204.243 I believe the AfC project has a place to propose redirects at WP:AFC/R. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:53, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

oh yes, that is true. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 09:03, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Also, redirects should almost always be categorized - note that in addition to the #REDIRECT code, lettherebedarklight put {{R from alternative spelling}} on the page. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Guidance needed on reliability and notability of article

Hello Teahouse,

Can you guide on what kind of information and reference articles are required if I want to write an article on a startup which is doing good work for the society? Parama Dasgupta (talk) 09:16, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Parama Dasgupta Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. From your statement, I gather that you may be associated with this "startup". If so, please read about conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclsoures(declaring paid editing, which is not limited to specific payment for edits, is a Terms of Use requirement).

Startups almost never merit a Wikipedia article. Companies must already be established in their field in order to draw the necessary coverage in independent reliable sources that is required for an article about them. Wikipedia articles are also not for telling the world about the good work a company or organization might do. An article about a company or organization must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. Press releases, staff interviews, the company website, announcements of routine business activities like the raising of capital or commencement of operations, brief mentions, and the like do not establish notability. "Significant coverage" goes beyond merely telling of the existence of the company and its activities and goes into detail about the signficance of influence of the company as the source sees it, not as the company itself sees it. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 09:23, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Edit

How many edits did I create and here I am getting continuously the notification of my tenth edit!so why I can't edit semi protected article Sumedh Mudgalkar Sumedh Mudgalkar (talk) 09:23, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Sumedh Mudgalkar I think you still have a few hours before you are autoconfirmed, it is a full four days. I see by your username that you seem to be Mr. Mudgalkar, if so, you should not edit the article directly, please read the autobiography policy. You may, however, make formal edit requests(click for instructions) on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 09:47, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

I suspect that you are not the Sumedh Mudgalkar described in that article as born in 1996, and an "Indian film and television actor, as well as a dancer." If you are not, you should discontinue using this account and start a new account with a different name - even if your name is in truth Sumedh Mudgalkar. David notMD (talk) 12:07, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

My article

I can't publish my article, can you help me? 🇺🇳🇺🇳 (UN)official Flag^{To UN🇺🇳🇺🇳} 09:55, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Unofficial flag/sandbox 💜  melecie  talk - 10:13, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Melecie Yes it’s this article 🇺🇳🇺🇳 (UN)official Flag^{To UN🇺🇳🇺🇳} 10:14, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Unofficial Flag. I have added a header to your sandbox so that you can submit it for review when it is ready. It is not currently ready because it has not a single reliable independent source. A Wikipedia article must be based on what people unconnected with the subject have published about it. ColinFine (talk) 10:24, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse @Unofficial flag. Your draft is probably inadequate to become an article at present because it lacks the relaible citations to show that this specific flag is notable in Wikipedia's meaning of that term. It is not enough to show that something exists, you must show that it has been discussed in WP:INDEPENDENT sources of scholarly standing (not wikis, for example). Most of the information you have provided could go into the article for the organisation itself, at Central American Integration System. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Browser hijacker?

I suspect that this domain (which I have just removed from Del mio meglio n. 4) is a browser hijacker

• celinedion.us: Linksearch en (https) (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com

I've listed it at WP:JUDI as it has previously been used for Indonesian gambling spam but should it be reported elsewhere for early attention? Lyndaship (talk) 09:55, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

article submission

helo .. i need create a biography for my client ... i tried so many time and submit finally .unfortunately its rejected... could you help me.. how to create proper way and how much time take that biography article publish in google page Shyamthamban (talk) 10:42, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Shyamthamban. Before you do anything else on behalf of your client, I strongly suggest you take the time to first carefully read through Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. Then, I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability (people). -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:57, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

could you send me a full video of how to create and submit article Shyamthamban (talk) 11:00, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Shyamthamban, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid it sounds as if, like many people, you have a total, fundamental, misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is.

Wikipedia's needs and your needs are utterly different. What you are trying to do is to use Wikipedia for Promotion, which is forbidden anywhere on Wikipedia.

More specifically:

- if your client meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - and not otherwise - Wikipedia could have an article about him. This artice would not belong to him or to you, would not be controlled by him or you, would not necessarily contain what he wanted it to contain, and should be based almost 100% on what people completely unonnected with him have pubished about him, not on what he or you say or want to say.

- If, given this, you decide to push on with trying to create an article about him, you must begin by making a formal declaration of your status as a paid editor (see that link for details). This a required by Wikipedia's terms of service.

- Clarify whether you are Shyam or not. If you are, read why autobiography is strongly discouraged. If you are not, change your username so as not to impersonate him.

- Then you should read Your first article, to understand how to go about the diffiult task of creating a new encyclopaedia article, and use the articles for creation process to create a draft. Note that creating an article begins with finding the reliable, independent, substantial sources about the subjct that are required to base an article on. Doing anything else at all before finding these sources is quite likely to be wasted effort.

- You should remove the fake article from you user page. That is not what user pages are for.

If this sounds discouraging, I'm afraid that this is because you are trying to use Wikipedia for a purpose which is forbidden. ColinFine (talk) 11:03, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

thank brother...i creating article not for

a promotion.. i want learn more about creating article ..could you help me ..if any video pls help Shyamthamban (talk) 11:27, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no "how to" videos. There is a strong recommendation for all new editors to put in time improving existing articles before trying to create an article. Again, WP:YFA is a written guide. If you client is in a profession commonly the subject of Wikipedia articles, then look at those articles to see content and referencing examples. David notMD (talk) 12:13, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Shyamthamban your very first words above were helo .. i need create a biography for my client. That is what we mean by promotion. Your purpose is to tell the world about your client - in other words, to promote him. That is entirely right and proper if you are his agent or publicist. But what you may not do is try to use Wikipedia to promote him.

If several people unconnected with you or him have already told the world about him (not just repeating what you or he say, but thoughtfully investigating and writing about him) then Wikipedia might be interested in an article summarising what those people have said about him. But Wikipedia has no interest in what he wants to say or in what you want to tell the world about him. ColinFine (talk) 15:24, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Shyamthamban In addition to all of that great advice, there is no easy way to create a new article. David10244 (talk) 23:08, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Edit warring

Can someone help me figure out what to do if I see potential edit warring as a third party? I tried checking the guidelines but I'm still confused.There's no talk page discussion on the dispute and it seems at least one user has engaged in back-and-forth reverts on more than one occasion this month. Axolotlanarchy (talk) 11:11, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Axolotlanarchy Edit warring may be reported to the edit warring noticeboard. If you aren't yet ready to take that step, you could encourage the users involved to refrain from edit warring and use discussion and dispute resolution. 331dot (talk) 12:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the help. If I start a new section on the talk page, is there a way I should go about notifying the users involved? Axolotlanarchy (talk) 12:29, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

If you refer to them by name on the talk page, in the format {{u|TheirName}} then they will get notified. Alternatively, if you need to talk to a user specifically, you can post something on their talk page, and they'll get notified. Elemimele (talk) 13:29, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Article Rejected!

Dear Teahouse,

Greetings,

I have tried to post an article on Wikipedia, and it was rejected for the reasons below.

• in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
• reliable
• secondary
• strictly independent of the subject

The reasons seem a bit unclear to me. Can I ask for advice? K.jawiei (talk) 11:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:K.jawiei/sandbox Sarrail (talk) 12:11, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

It looks like the article is up for speedy deletion. It is used for promotion, most likely. See WP:PROMOTION and WP:SPEEDYDELETE. Sarrail (talk) 12:14, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree that it is about to be deleted. As written, the only ref was the company's website. This is not independent. You can start over using WP:YFA to create a draft, but unless there are multiple references to the business that are independent, reliable and in depth (meaning not just name-only or short mentions), there is no potential to succeed. See WP:NCORP for guidelines for articles about companies. David notMD (talk) 12:18, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

K.jawiei See also your Talk page for a query about your connections to the proposed article's topic. David notMD (talk) 12:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@K.jawiei In case it was not clear, those words in blue are clickable links. Click them and read the information there. It's a lot to learn. David10244 (talk) 23:10, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism warning?

My IP address (when I'm not logged in) has been flagged as a vandal based on activity that isn't mine on several occasions. How can I avoid being marked as one when I am not logged in?Riverbend21 (talk) 15:05, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Riverbend21, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that's likely something out of your control - most internet service providers assign dynamic IP addresses to their clients, which means you may have a certain IP one day, and a vandal may have it the next day. Some companies offer static IPs if you're willing to pay for the privilege. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:09, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks :) Riverbend21 (talk) 16:06, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Riverbend21 Since you have an account, it's better to always sign in when editing. That way it's easier for you to find all of your edits, and you won't be accused of using multiple accounts for bad purposes. Cheers. David10244 (talk) 23:12, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for responding :)

I always edit my account. Riverbend21 (talk) 02:09, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Waterloo Artificial Intelligence Institute

Hey Team,

Can you help me create a page for the Waterloo Artificial Intelligence Institute I have tried to create it but it has been turned down by you. Would you be able to help me build it out and get it published?

Best regards, Omar Dari (talk) 15:06, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Omar Dari, welcome to the Teahouse. The first thing to do is establish the subject's notability - has this institute received significant coverage in independent, reliable, published sources? Are there newspaper articles or academic papers about it, written by people not connected with it or the university? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:12, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Omar, and welcome to the Teahouse. As I am not an admin, I can't see the deleted draft; but I'm guessing that you have made the classic mistake of writing an article based on what the Institute says or wants to say. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 15:28, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Your guess was correct, ColinFine. The three references were all published by Waterloo University. Omar Dari, what is required are references to significant coverage in reliable sources that are entirely independent of WAII and the university. Cullen328 (talk) 15:50, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are here to advise. Some may at times help edit a draft, mostly to improve its compliance with Wikipedia format, but not adding content or references. David notMD (talk) 18:39, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Not just turned down, but Speedy deleted for being promotional and a copyright infringement. David notMD (talk) 18:41, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

English Propaganda

Seems we have run afoul of some propaganda from right-wingers in the UK. There are currently a number of transphobic articles being trumpeted in the English press. I use the word "press" loosely, as I've seen cave-drawings that were easier to comprehend. Are we required to accept these sources or can we deprecate them due to typical UK transphobia? 2600:1700:1250:6D80:A898:2EBF:BF36:1637 (talk) 17:15, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

what articles are you talking about? Vincent-vst (talk) 17:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Please refer to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources to check the status of various sources. Those not listed there can be discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Cullen328 (talk) 17:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

You have started a discussion at Talk:Rapid-onset gender dysphoria controversy, which is the right place. David notMD (talk) 18:50, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Dead link tags

Hullo! I have a quick question about dead link maintainance tags - if the original of a url has been archived, shoud the ^{[dead link]} tag be removed or left? I was tempted to remove one as a set of uncontroversial changes to the aticle I have also just made a formal edit request to but I figured checking first might be smarter Memereese (talk) 17:35, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Memereese welcome to Teahouse! If a dead link has an archive link, then yes the {{Dead link}} template can be removed. Happy editing and link-trimming! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:48, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Guidance for article publication

Hello team, I have created Apache_YuniKorn and it's under review. This is my first-article contribution. Any suggestions or recommendations for publication will be highly appreciated. Also can you guide us what are the things need to consider while creating the new article, do we have any tools which I can validate before publishing the article to check the copyright violations and other important things which consider while publishing? Thanks in advance. Jagadeesan A S

@Jagadeesan A S:, welcome to the Teahouse! Some pages that may be helpful are WP:NOTABILITY, WP:COI, and WP:RELIABLESOURCES. There may also be more pages, so if you want more, feel free to ask. Sarrail (talk) 18:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Earwig's copyright violation detector is an automated tool to detect copyright violations; it turned up nothing for your draft. However, looking at the draft, it seems to be based only on what sources associated with the product write about it. Articles on wikipedia should be almost entirely based on what reliable sources that are independent of the subject have to say. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 18:34, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Maddy from Celeste. I tried using Earwig's copyright violation detector and it showed Violation Unlikely 0.0% similarity which is fine? Is there any percentage level which need to consider? Jagadeesan A S JAGAEESAN A S 18:47, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

You should not copy text from anywhere except for direct quotations and be wary of close paraphrasing. There is no particular percentage that is problematic; rather, a higher percentage means a higher likelihood of plagiarism. Also, the program may show false positives if another website copies text from Wikipedia which is then flagged. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 19:34, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Sarrail for suggested articles , I will review it. JAGAEESAN A S 18:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC) Jagadeesan A S (talk)

It's a Wikipedia nuance, but drafts can become "articles" Talk pages are "pages." Too many people conflate creating a "page" with what is allowed in social media. David notMD (talk) 18:58, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @David notMD for pointing it out. Jagadeesan A S (talk) Jagadeesan A S (talk) 19:07, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Vincent Edward Giuliano (Scientist)

I submitted a draft for this page. It was very simple, with a infobox and a couple paragraphs of body text. As a newbie, my plan was to make a minimal, non-controversial submission, and once any bugs were worked out and my understandings expanded, I'd add more. As I recall, the page included a link to the subject's blog page, to a list of his publications, and one other link.

To my surprise, the entire submission was deleted within hours of submission by Jimbleak, for reasons that I do not find satisfactory, but, based upon a very low level of experience, I tentatively assume his criticisms are indeed valid. I'd like to explore the criticisms compared to the submitted draft, but cannot find the draft anywhere. I'd like to recover the draft, understand and correct the errors, and resubmit it. How can I recover it?

Incidentally, Jimbleak said: "name is incorrect in the article title". The title was as above. What is wrong with it? Walticular (talk) 19:12, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Walticular: Your draft was deleted because it was unambiguously promotional. I can see why you would not find this reasoning satisfactory; however, the content of the draft gave the appearance of existing for no other reason than to promote the work of the subject. Even if that was not your intent, the draft was nevertheless far from being ready to submit for review, because it failed to establish any evidence of notability of the subject. Please see Wikipedia:Golden rule to get an idea of the kind of sourcing required. It is possible that WP:NPROF notability criteria also apply to this subject. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:32, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

How can the draft that I submitted be viewed? It is difficult to really understand the criticisms when I cannot look at the draft. Also, how is the name in the article title incorrect? I intend to follow the suggestions made by the reviewers, but want to first understand exactly where I went wrong in this draft. Walticular (talk) 19:53, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Walticular Welcome to the Teahouse. The article was speedy-deleted for "blatant promotion," and it appears by your statements that it was not referenced with reliable sources either. I suggest you first read this guide, then start the article over from scratch, but use reliable, independent, third-party sources to write it, not the subject's own work and blog. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:32, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

In case you cannot see my response to Anachronist, I asked how can the draft that I submitted be viewed? It is difficult to really understand the criticisms when I cannot look at the draft. Also, how is the name in the article title incorrect? I intend to follow the suggestions made by the reviewers, but want to first understand exactly where I went wrong in this draft. Walticular (talk) 19:55, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Walticular: Generally editors cannot view deleted pages. Because I am an administrator, I can. The suggestion by the reviewer was to improve the sourcing. Not a single source you cited meets the requirements summarized in Wikipedia:Golden rule. I further suggested above to look at WP:NPROF. Did you look at either of those links? The deleting administrator's deletion reasoning also referred you to WP:YFA, WP:RS, WP:COI, and WP:Notability (people) — all of which you should review before trying again.

The article title isn't really relevant; it can always be changed. The subject seems to go by "Vince Giuliano" rather than his full name, and we title articles according to the name the subject is commonly known.

Feel free to contact the deleting administrator Jimfbleak if you are serious about improving the draft, and he might restore it. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:08, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Do not try again unless you have better references. A subject's blog or website, or a list of publications contribute zero toward confirming notability in the Wikipedia sense of the word. Must have what people have published about him. David notMD (talk) 03:34, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Detail about non-notable people in the recent past - throughly referenced, but?

Would appreciate some takes on this. I reverted the addition of some unsourced family and community history to Shelley, British Columbia, but am concerned that the article as it stands contains a lot of sourced content (local newspaper) about named and non-notable people of the recent past. Looks like WP:OR. I'm having difficulty sorting the actually notable events and people from the run of the mill content. Article has been tagged for possibly too much detail for two years. Any views on what could or should be cut would be helpful. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 19:26, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Tacyarg: It may seem extreme, but I would take an axe to the entire list of people, using the essay WP:WTAF as a reason. These are lists disguised as prose, but for lists, it is generally a good practice not to list things that don't already have their own standalone Wikipedia article. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:35, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Tacyarg, the main author of that article obviously pored through the archives of a small town newspaper and added a stunningly large number of descriptions of trivial incidents. In my opinion, it is inappropriate and the vast majority of that content should be eliminated. Cullen328 (talk) 23:29, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

I would remove at least 90% of it. Though I hope that person volunteers at their historical society because wow. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 23:32, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

DMBanks1 appears to be in the practice of adding huge amounts of perhaps trivial content to obscure Canada articles. David notMD (talk) 05:01, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

help

the wikipedia snazz line code from department of fun isnt working for me. please help Allaoii (talk) 20:20, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Please ask a question in a way that others can understand what you're talking about. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:16, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Allaoii, welcome to the Teahouse. Are you talking about {{User:Listroiderbob/Snazz line}}? What's the problem you're having? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:03, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Verb tense for non-historical stories in religious texts

Wikipedia uses historical present when describing events in a fictional narrative. However, there are fictional narratives that many people believe are literal history because of religion (examples: the stories of Job from the Bible and Abinadi or Moroni from the Book of Mormon). How should we describe the details of these stories?

Assume that the topic matters primarily for some reason other than its disputed historicity. For example, we would probably describe a false conspiracy theory as a series of claims by real people rather than as a narrative. But the story of Job is not just a disputed claim of fact; it matters mostly for other reasons. Rscragun (talk) 20:42, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Rscragun: It probably depends on the context in which the details are relayed. If the details are in a synopsis, for example, one would use present tense, just like a movie synopsis. Past tense would work too. Present tense is also appropriate to describe a detail with attribution, such as "The story of Job in the Bible describes how Job...(present tense description)." But past tense would also work, as in "According to the account in the Book of Mormon, Job...(past tense description)." I don't know the specifics of the article you're working in, but I'd say use whatever tense just seems the most natural without stating religious beliefs as facts in Wikipedia's voice. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:22, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Writing an entry on a public figure and loved one

My partner just passed and I want to write a Wikipedia article on him. He was a published architect working on embodied carbon in the built environment. I know people personally involved aren’t supposed to write articles, but it would mean a lot to me, and I have academic training in writing in a detached, objective style. Let me know if it’s possible. Lizcampbell22 (talk) 22:45, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Lizcampbell22 Welcome to the Teahouse. While it's good that you recognize potential conflict of interest, the biggest consideration for new articles is whether the subject is notable enough for inclusion. I have no doubt your partner was talented in his field and made contributions. But many successful people don't have articles here, simply because there is not enough independent, reliable coverage of them out there in books, media, etc. I recommend you first read this small section and decide if you think you'll be able to provide enough sources. Feel free to ask about specific sources here. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 22:54, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Lizcampbell22, I second what Pyrrho the Skipper wrote above; however, for notability criteria see also this small section. (An article on an architect needs to demonstrate that he satisfies either the general guideline that Pyrrho points to or any one of the four criteria that I point to, not both, let alone all five.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:32, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Lizcampbell22. Before you start trying to create an article about your partner yourself or start trying to get someone else to create such an article on your behalf, I think you might want to take a look at WP:NOTMEMORIAL, WP:OWN, WP:LUC and WP:PROUD. You might see Wikipedia as a great way to introduce your partner to the world and perhaps even honor their legacy, but there's lots of things about Wikipedia that you might not be aware of. There can actually be a downside to being written about on Wikipedia and many persons find out too late that being written about on Wikipedia isn't exactly as great as they thought it would be. If your partner turns out to be Wikipedia notable so that an article may be written about them, it's going to need to be written in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. You possibly may be able to do such a thing yourself, but you might find it hard to avoid the article unintentionally becoming a kind of wikt:hagiography about your partner (i.e. focusing on all that's good about them but perhaps ignoring their flaws). Another person unconnected to the subject matter might be able avoid such a pitfall, but they in turn might not share your "vision" for the article and the end result may be something that you don't approve of. Wikipedia article content can include the good, the bad and the ugly about their subjects as long as it in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guideline, and neither you nor anyone else connected to your partner will have any final editorial control of the article. If your goal is to preserve the memory of your partner, then perhaps you might want to considered an WP:ALTERNATIVE way of doing so. On the other hand, if your goal is to have an encyclopedic article written about your partner (for better or worse) and your partner satisfies one of Wikipedia's various notability guideline like WP:BIO, then maybe ask about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Architecture and see if some of the members of that WikiProject might be able to help (1) assess your partner's Wikipedia notablity as an architect and (2) offer suggestions on how to best go about creating an article about your partner if they're deemed to be Wikipedia notable. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:48, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

BCE, CE/BC, AD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habiru has both BC and BCE, sometimes in the same sentence; in one of them BCE was changed to to BC recently. From a quick look at Teahouse archives I get the impression that the policy is to to use BCE rather than BC in articles like this. Is there a general policy about the use of BCE and CE rather than BC and AD? Presumably use should be consistent in all articles. Mcljlm (talk) 01:07, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

You can refer to this section for guidance. Hope that helps! Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 01:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Turkish book dated back to the 500AD writen in 600B.C

We have a Turkish book dating back to 500Ad written in 600 B.C good binding book is about 2 inches thick 2001:569:7FBC:7E00:7102:360A:4F51:FCF (talk) 02:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Is this a question? If you are using this book as a source, please see H:REFB. Sarrail (talk) 02:59, 25 October 2022 (UTC)