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Dealing with the alternate E3 shows with lack of E3[edit]

We're coming up to June where there are already several E3-type announcement shows scheduled to happen (MS/Bethesda for example, as well as Keighley's Summer Game Fest). In the past these have been discussed on the appropriate E3 page, even for E3 2020 which had been planned (so notable) but later cancelled. Now this year, E3 2022 was canned completely, so there's seemingly no reason for an E3 2022 page since there were no significant plans made in comparison to E3 2020. So I'm trying to think how to handle this case, on the basis that E3 is expected to be back next year. I do NOT want to create separate pages for each, and its clear the RSes are connecting these as E3-like events so it make sense to connect them all, I just don't know how to name the page. --Masem (t) 16:24, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How well do the various announcement/press shows overlap with the Summer Game Fest? If in the past we had them as part of the E3 page for the year, even though some were not officially part of E3, then having them as subsections under a hypothetical Summer Game Fest 2022 would seem like the most elegant solution. Sideswipe9th (talk) 16:27, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Some do, but not all of them are organized under Keighley's event banner. They all are staying consistent that mid-June is when we usually see these things. --Masem (t) 16:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've just checked the Summer Game Fest website. Looks like the Xbox/Bethesda Showcase, and Tribeca Games Spotlight are now listed as one of the upcoming events. Given the list of partners for the 2021 event, it's possible that others like Sony, Ubisoft, Wholesome Direct, etc. may do the same in the coming weeks though they also may not. I suspect we can't answer this now, but it is something we should keep an eye on as more announcements are made. Sideswipe9th (talk) 16:45, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe just as a subsection about game expos in the "2022 in video games" article or something? Sergecross73 msg me 17:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Or, if its becomes WP:UNDUE there, List of 2022 video game expos? Panini! • 🥪 17:35, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
While E3 was definitely an expo, I don't think the satellite events like the Xbox Showcase, Playstation State of Play, etc, would meet that definition. Expo events would be events like Gamescom, PAX, EGX Rezzed. Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:40, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would say Serge is right here. It's either important enough to get mentioned in the years' events, or it's not, and the relevant info will be found on the respective game/studio pages. Coverage of expos is pretty routine IMO and I don't see why it is a necessity that the info be covered in a bespoke page, especially as they are drifting away from being connected to a singular event. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 21:41, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thirding Serge's suggestion. 2022 in video games is the right venue for this, and probably the right venue going forward. Using the annual E3 articles as a coatrack for ancillarily related events is not ideal. Axem Titanium (talk) 17:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I kinda disagree 2022 in video games is the appropriate venue. If we are just gonna list the games shown at these trade shows, the nature of these content doesn't seem to mesh well with the scope of the year article. It is also quite odd if we only include these pseudo-E3 events but not other trade shows like gamescom/PAX in the year article as well. OceanHok (talk) 16:58, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How about looking at it from this perspective: what exactly makes these showcases notable? They get coverage for the announcements, sure, but what press coverage is generated besides "X was announced, Y had a trailer, Z was playable at a show floor" or some clickbaity "who won this expo?"-type stuff? What content would these hypothetical articles contain beyond that? I'm failing to see why there needs to be some place to aggregate individual press events. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 17:29, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New Articles (May 9 to May 15)[edit]

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 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.12 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 04:02, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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@PresN: I just noticed on May 9 Ian Abercrombie was tagged, however I believe that was either a mistake or trolling. CaptainGalaxy 15:01, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, he was a voice actor for 6 video games, so I get why the tag was added. And why it was removed 2 days ago. I'm not the dictator of tagging, I just report on what has happened- I only drop things that are errors or vandalism. --PresN 15:04, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok fair enough, sorry to bother you. CaptainGalaxy 15:32, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
FYI editors often cast a pretty wide net in tagging Wikiprojects on articles. And that's fine. But it's also often pretty uncontroversial to remove the more tangential ones too. It's all pretty low-stakes, optional stuff. Sergecross73 msg me 15:57, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chibi-Robo! Zip Lash peer review help[edit]

Recently I had had User:Panini! help me out with the peer review process for Chibi-Robo! Zip Lash. However, through no fault of their own, they have gone on a WikiBreak (I hope they enjoy it). So currently, I am left without a reviewer. I appreciate if anyone can takeover if they are not too busy. CaptainGalaxy 10:16, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move ARMA (series) and games?[edit]

Does the "ARMA" in the title stand for something or is it just stylization? If the latter, they should all be moved, but maybe there is some acronym I'm missing. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:36, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many sources stylize it as ArmA. Maybe it stands for Armed Assault? – Pbrks (t • c) 20:38, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This dev blog may shed some light on it CrimsonFox talk 14:36, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Based on e.g. Steam listings, Bohemia consistently uses "Arma" (not "ArmA" or "ARMA"). Acronym or not, if the official spelling is regular Titlecase, we should use it too. IceWelder [✉] 20:09, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well that pretty much settles it then, it is absolutely a stylization to write it in all caps or CamelCase. I will proceed with a requested move. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:14, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The bot seems to have missed indiexpo, tagged May 18. – Pbrks (t • c) 17:45, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, right, the script doesn't like articles that have been forced to lowercase (it considers them "redirected" since the url doesn't match) - it gave me a warning message about it and then I just breezed past. Added, thanks! --PresN 18:50, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have called out to Chinese Wikipedia community for help with Draft:TapTap, a Chinese publisher. I am not hoping for much though, it is always harder to write about Chinese things than Japanese things in zhwiki... MilkyDefer 20:04, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Two games released in 1997 named Moon[edit]

There are two video games named Moon released in 1997:

Neither game is an obvious primary topic, so I think Moon (1997 video game) should become a disambiguation page, and the second article should be moved to a new name. The typical practice I've seen in this case is using the developer or publisher name to disambiguate, but in this case, the developer/publisher is named Tactics, which would mean Moon (Tactics video game) which sounds like the genre so is misleading. Any ideas? TarkusABtalk/contrib 08:43, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If the first one was simply called Moon, then a move would likely be necessary, but its subtitle gives it natural disambiguation, and the hatnote on the second article suffices for any confused readers. I don't think any change is required here. – Rhain ☔ 08:47, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not seeing anywhere in our naming conventions that specifically discourages "(visual novel)". It was moved to (1997 video game) without discussion just a few months ago, with an edit summary pointing to another discussion which doesn't seem to cleanly map onto this case. I actually think it should be moved back to "Moon (visual novel)" here since that's more parsimonious dab. The RPG can stay at its current name per natural dis as Rhain pointed out. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:57, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Simply Moon (visual novel) would not work, because that still implies visual novels are not games, and therefore it would not conflict with Moon (the RPG) also being a video game. Visual novels are without a doubt video games, which was the main reason such a disambiguation is invalid in the first place. Moon (1997 visual novel) would potentially be valid though, since it is being used when "video game" would be too vague. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:14, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't just this article that dropped the (visual novel) disambig. All articles with that disambig were moved to (video game) resulting from the discussion at Talk:Clannad (video game). As such, we don't have to go down that road again ad infinitum. For my part, I think the article should remain at Moon (1997 video game) since the other game already has natural disambig. Failing that, Moon (horror video game) would suffice (if that's even an acceptable disambig).--十八 21:14, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"implies visual novels are not games" It does not imply that. Wikipedia rules for parenthetical title disambiguation are esoteric and the average reader is not going to come to the conclusion that an article titled "Moon (visual novel)" is not a video game. If they know what a visual novel is already, then there is no problem. If they don't know what a visual novel is, they can read literally the first line of the article to find that out. I think if we, as a project, are explicitly discouraging an entire class of parenthetical disambiguation, the discussion for that should happen on a project page, not a move request on random article's talk page with a half dozen participants. That's not how precedent is established on Wikipedia. Axem Titanium (talk) 03:32, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You could go by platform PerryPerryD Talk To Me 03:15, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Here it is, the denial of visual novels as a genre of video games. For your information, the concensus of using "video game" is established in Talk:Clannad (video game). MilkyDefer 08:44, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And from an eastern Asian perspective, the latter Moon by Tactics (who later spawned Key) is obviously more notable. I say this for sure. No one ever heard about the former one. MilkyDefer 08:48, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Or try moving pages? In Chinese Wikipedia this is not a problem because the naming convension there requires to format the title as-is. So the two articles are actually different (the latter one being zh:MOON. and the former one being zh:月亮 (游戏)). I heard that the naming convension here requires some regularization or sort of, I don't really know about that. MilkyDefer 08:52, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MilkyDefer I'm personally ok with Visual Novels having been moved to Video Game, but I don't think the use of "(visual novel)" had anything to do with editors judging them to be "not video games". It's just that they are "visual novels", a sub-genre that is somewhat specific and niche. More importantly though, a move discussion for a single game does not establish a project wide consensus. I think it's fine, I agree and know most of those editors in that discussion, but to expect the wider project to know that a specific VN article was moved two years ago as a "consensus" to name all VNs as "video games" is stretching it. More properly, the discussion should happen, or at least be referenced to then see if any opposition to making it "official", at WP:NCVGDAB. -- ferret (talk) 13:20, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have started a formal discussion to abandon the (visual novel) disambiguation at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(video_games)#(Visual_novel)_disambiguation TarkusABtalk/contrib 15:34, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Agree with ferret on all counts. The issue seems to be that "visual novel" is one of the few video game genres that does not have the word "game" in its name (e.g. adventure game, action game, role-playing game). I don't see how that necessarily implies that visual novels are not games though. And I don't see the issue with keeping the article at "Moon (visual novel)" either, if it lets us have more parsimonious dab than "(1997 video game)". Axem Titanium (talk) 16:29, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New article help[edit]

I wanted to create some new articles starting with Mohawk Games. But the draft in my sandbox at User:Leonramb/sandbox was rejected, because of a shorter and less sourced draft at Draft:Mohawk Games that was already rejected. I'm not sure if I just have to wait. It seems like a glitch that a rejected version would prevent my better version from being created but I don't understand the article creation system yet.

I tried the same thing for Draft:Siege of Centauri and Draft:Galactic Civilizations 4 and I haven't gotten word back yet so I wanted to share them here too. Thank you! Leonramb (talk) 04:17, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Leonramb: Anyone is welcome to edit drafts. You can edit Draft:Mohawk Games to have it contain the information that you currently have at User:Leonramb/sandbox. Then, you can submit Draft:Mohawk Games for review. – Pbrks (t • c) 06:03, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I decided to edit Draft:Mohawk Games and it should be ready for consideration. Draft:Siege of Centauri is ready too. (Thank you for accepting Galactic Civilizations IV.) Leonramb (talk) 10:37, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CFD Games set in a fictional location cleanup[edit]

Hey all, I just spent a bit of time cleaning up the idiosyncratic fallout from the above CFD, specifically the upmerge of Category:Video games set on fictional planets to Category:Video games set in outer space. The former appears to have been used for many games featuring a named fictional world (I will refrain from commenting on whether this needs to be categorized at all) so the upmerge to "set in outer space" led to many strange cases like Warcraft, Final Fantasy IX, and Runescape landing in the latter category. I'm not familiar with every game affected so I can't say that I caught all the miscategorizations. If you've got a moment to peruse Category:Video games set in outer space, take a look and see if anything jumps out at you that needs fixing. Axem Titanium (talk) 23:59, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • So is Lord of the Rings set "in outer space" because its internal fictional cosmogony named the planet Arda? Eh. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 00:10, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, doesn't this pretty radically change the category? There's a very different meaning there. Most fantasy video games, like JRPGs, take place on a fictional planet...but comparatively few would still logically be described as taking place in "outer space". Sergecross73 msg me 14:22, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yikes, not a real strong consensus for the change either. I'd take it to deletion review if it wasn't for my belief that categories are largely inconsequential to most readers on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 14:25, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think this needs a DRV, because of the resulting choice is nonsensical. --Masem (t) 14:24, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • DRV started Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2022 May 30 --Masem (t) 14:45, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • The original CFD has been overturned so it is now open for comment.
      • I will say that if these categories are kept, it should only apply to where the setting is well defined by name or other clear origin feature. eg the case below of LittleBigPlanet should not have one of these because its setting is vague. --Masem (t) 12:21, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        That will require a threshold criteria to be defined. X201 (talk) 14:39, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
LittleBigPlanet, despite its name, is not set in space. - X201 (talk) 11:26, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Panzer Dragoon Orta[edit]

Hi. I've just completed an expansion/rewriting of Panzer Dragoon Orta. I wouldn't consider myself as being close to the series, as I've previously not had much attraction towards it, and I've never done rail shooters of this kind before. But I'm planning to bring it to GA before year's end as it's the game's tenth anniversary. Pinging @Popcornfud: since they seem to have done the work on Panzer Dragoon Saga, which is the most recent PD nom of note. --ProtoDrake (talk) 15:17, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

fix ping: @Popcornfud: JOEBRO64 15:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@ProtoDrake:For being your first time working on a rail shooter subject, i'd pretty much say that you did a fantastic job on reworking the game's article, as someone who has interest in playing the Panzer Dragoon series. Roberth Martinez (talk) 16:09, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for working on this! I'm a little busy at the moment but I'll definitely take a deep look in the next week or two. Popcornfud (talk) 17:43, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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