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May 8

Weird Request for Permissions review order?

I hope someone can answer my question, because this is confusing. I submitted a request for pending changes reviewer on May 3rd, and another user did too. However, our requests haven't been approved yet, but not only that, for some reason the newer requests have been accepted recently. Is it because of something I did, or is it because the request permission viewers review in a unorganized way? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Pending_changes_reviewer&oldid=1086646803 Toad40 (talk) 00:05, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

@Toad40: Yes, they are reviewed in no particular order. RudolfRed (talk) 02:08, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Oh. Toad40 (talk) 03:01, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Ref fix needed

I can't figure out how to fix my error made while trying to use named reference in Hotel Saratoga, Havana article. Help! --2603:6081:1C00:1187:8582:2B80:5654:18BC (talk) 01:44, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

I think I fixed it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:00, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! 2603:6081:1C00:1187:8582:2B80:5654:18BC (talk) 04:32, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Page break at Apollo

There seems to be a big page break in the Apollo article, underneath the redirect hatnotes. I'm not sure why (the reordering things I tried didn't work in preview), can anyone fix this? Best – Aza24 (talk) 04:34, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't see anything out of the ordinary on my display. Meters (talk) 04:52, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Could it have something to do with your display width interacting with the long infobox and other templates in the lead? Meters (talk) 04:58, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

No idea, but I was using a pretty standard display, so it would have certainly been an issue for others. Now fixed anyways. Aza24 (talk) 07:00, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

@Aza24 Fixed! GoingBatty (talk) 04:59, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Aza24 (talk) 07:00, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Not sure where to ask

I initially uploaded the incorrect photo size for this and I'm not sure where to ask an admin if they can delete the previous version. APK whisper in my ear 09:55, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

If you want to make it smaller, you can do it yourself and the larger version will be deleted automatically a few days later. Since it is a fair use image it shouldn't be larger than it already is.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:01, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks. APK whisper in my ear 10:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Insight, please

I started to create an article for an actor ... Michael Lowry (actor) ... after being surprised to see that no article already existed. Long story short ... I somehow came across this page --> Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Lowry (actor). I didn't read everything with a fine-tooth comb. And, for whatever reason, I have no access to this "OTRS (ref ticket:2015012210014351)" business. In fact, I have no idea what that "OTRS" business even means. (?) That being said ... what I did take away from the situation is this: if a person is notable and they "officially" request to not have a Wikipedia article, then Wikipedia can/should/must/will delete that article, upon request. I could be wrong, but that's how I read the whole situation. So, that's news to me. Is that the case? This guy is certainly a notable actor. He can "officially" request that his article be removed? I never heard of anything even close to this concept, in my 15+ years at Wikipedia. Any insight is appreciated. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:11, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: I don't have access either, but I know OTRS/VRT is a place where tickets are sent to. There, only trusted volunteers can view it.

And also, I don't think a person can request deletion of an article about them, unless they were the only contributor of substantial content, where CSD G7 would apply.

If you think the person is notable, my suggestion is: go ahead and create the article. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 21:27, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE is the relevant policy. Essentially in marginal cases, if the subject requests, we tend to delete the article, rather than keep, out of respect for the living person. I think I would make sure there are new sources to show more notability than before, before creating an article. Galobtter (pingó mió) 21:52, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Joseph A. Spadaro: I wouldn't suggest that you go ahead a create the article without first at least consulting the administrator who deleted the article per WP:CLOSECHALLENGE since it was deleted via AFD. If you think the close was made in error, then you can also request a WP:DELETIONREVIEW. In some cases, the subject of a Wikipedia article may request that it be deleted per WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE and in those cases simply trying to recreate the article without discussion is unwise. Wikimedia OTRS is now known as WP:VRT and you can perhaps ask about the ticket at WP:VRTN; however, VRT volunteers aren't allowed to discuss the specifics of the emails they receive on public pages or with anyone other than the sender which means you might only get a very general answer. FWIW, the AFD was from seven years ago; so, it's quite possible the situation has changed; you should, however, discuss that with closing administrator and explain why the article should be re-created. A new article might not be needed if the old deleted one can simply be restored. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:54, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, all. I guess I am asking about the situation in general, and not about this actor in particular. I will read all the relevant links posted above. But, does this situation occur only in "marginal cases", where the subject makes an official request? Or this can happen in any notable case? (I imagine not, for the latter. I can't imagine that Donald Trump or Cher -- clearly notable -- can request deletion of their entry in an encyclopedia.) Does the requesting party need to satisfy any particular criteria? Just curious. This guy is clearly notable as an actor ... see here: [1]. But -- again -- I am asking about the situation in general, and not about this actor in particular. This seems so odd, and I never ran across this before. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:11, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

How the word "marginal" is defined when it comes to WP:N may depend upon who you ask, but I think BLPREQUESTDELETEs aren't the norm and usually there are some extenuating circumstances involved. I don't think articles end up deleted simply because the subject doesn't like what's written, but only when there some expression that it's seriously causing the subject some harm and those concerns are deemed to be valid. Obviously, there's some discussion involved at some level of Wikipedia and someone who clearly is WP:PUBLICFIGURE receiving lots of coverage in reliable sources is going to have a hard time convincing others to delete an article about them because it's not to their liking. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:35, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Hmmmm ... this has got me thinking. And -- once again -- I am asking about the situation in general, and not about this actor in particular. However, I will (vaguely) use that actor as an example. Anything that is found in his Wikipedia article will, necessarily, have been published in RS's first. No? So, I can't wrap my mind around this. What -- for example -- might be a valid reason or concern? We are merely taking info that's "already out there" -- published in RS's ... and merely "repeating it" / publishing it here. No? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

My previous post was about the situation in general and not about this actor in particular. Not everything you find in a Wikipedia BLP article is supported by a reliable source per WP:BLPSOURCES and not everything found in a reliable source should be added to a Wikipedia article per WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Since I'm not a VRT member, I can't see what was in the email referred to that particular AFD; so, I can't say what the subject's concerns might've been. Trying guess what they were or how they may apply to some other person in some hypothetical example isn't going to get anyone anywhere. If you feel the deletion of this particular article was incorrect or otherwise an overstep you should follow the advice given (as previously stated above) in WP:CLOSECHALLENGE and seek clarification from the closing admin, and then possibly a deletion review per WP:DRV. If there were BLP issues involved and they were so serious that BLPREQUESTDELETE was seen by some as the only viable option, then it's unlikely that someone is going to post what they were here at the Help Desk or on any other Wikipedia page. So, other than directly asking the article's subject himself, I don't know you or anyone else who's not a VRT volunteer is going to find out why the subject wanted the article deleted. It also makes little sense to speculate as to why someone else might make a BLPREQUESTDELETION request since basically it's just going to be a endless discussion involving hypotheticals. If all someone who is unhappy about what's written about them on Wikipedia needed to do to get the offending content removed or the offending article deleted was to email VRT, then there would probably be a lot of BLPs deleted that way. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:01, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Joseph A. Spadaro, I disagree that he is clearly notable just because he has an IMDb entry. Per WP:IMDB, consensus of editors is that The content on IMDb is user-generated, and the site is considered unreliable by a majority of editors. As for the general principle, WP:BLP, one of our most important policies, says articles about relatively unknown, non-public figures, where the subject has requested deletion may be deleted, and that was the consensus of the AfD. As an administrator, I can see the edit history and there were a string of seven edits that had to be suppressed, which is indicative of serious BLP concerns. Lowry played a character Jake Martin (All My Children) for four years, but there were five different actors that played that character over 32 years during the long history of the show. Wikipedia: Notability (people) says People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. You will need to find much better sources than IMDb. Cullen328 (talk) 23:44, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

I did not state that he is notable "just because" he has an IMDb entry. I just provided that as an illustration of his body of work. He's been acting for decades. Lots of "big" roles. Lots of soap opera work. Major sit-coms. Etc. Etc. Etc. I can't imagine that he would be considered "not notable" with an acting resume as he has. Or, even, "marginal", to be honest. The IMDb link was merely to show his body of work / career in one comprehensive list. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Granted, I cannot see the hidden/suppressed content. But, isn't that what we have "blocking / editing protections" for? I am not seeing how it's an "insurmountable issue" for which the only solution is to delete info. And -- once again -- I am asking about the situation in general, and not about this actor in particular. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:37, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Also, if he’s been on TV, movies, soaps, magazines, etc., etc., etc., -- as an actor, no less -- (i.e., the "public face" in front of the camera –- in the Hollywood entertainment industry) ... how is he an "unknown, non-public figure"? He’s the very definition of precisely the opposite. His acting goes back some 30+ years ... and he is still acting as of today (2021, at least). The "better majority" of that work occurring after 2015 ... the date of that 7-year-old AfD. How is that an "unknown, non-public figure"? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:56, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Also ... just two or three days ago ... nominated for the 2022 Emmy Awards for acting. 49th Daytime Emmy Awards. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:39, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm afraid "acting for decades. Lots of "big" roles. Lots of soap opera work. Major sit-coms. Etc. Etc. Etc." count for nothing here. What counts is coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:40, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

I suspect that with the sort of acting career described, this actor probably is (now, 7 years after that AfD) Notable, but of course an article would have to demonstrate this by citing those appropriate sources. The onus to find them is on the person who creates the article (preferably as a Draft); (re)creating it on the basis that they surely must exist and expecting someone else to find them is a non-starter. Whether or not the subject's apparently not (then) wanting an article cuts any ice would be down to the creator's conscience, I guess. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.208.88.97 (talk) 00:48, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

May 9

How does this piece of code work?

On Template:FGAN, there is the following code:

{{{{{|safesubst:}}}#if:{{{well written|}}}|{{{well written}}}|[[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px|Pass]] Pass}}

Why is there a {{{|safesubst:}}} before the #if, and what does it do? What is the difference between that and

{{#if:{{{well written|}}}|{{{well written}}}|[[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px|Pass]] Pass}}

I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 03:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

@I.hate.spam.mail.here That code is used so that when you substitute the template the output of the if statement is substituted onto the page, rather than the if statement code. See mw:Help:Substitution#Multilevel_substitution. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 11:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

An explanation of what how it works might be useful too. If you write {{safesubst:#if: ... in a template directly then when you save the template page the substitution will be performed and the template code will contain the output of the if statement. By using {{{|safesubst:}}} the safesub is only processed when the template is evaluated and parameters substituted, because you're providing it as the default output of the parameter "". 163.1.15.238 (talk) 11:40, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Got it, thanks! I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 17:48, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Trouble inserting link

I've tried to add a film, The 25th Hour, to actor Brian Cox's page but it's not working for me. If anybody can show me what I got wrong, I'd appreciate it. Bodding (talk) 04:11, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Bodding. It looks like our article on the 2002 film is at 25th Hour. You'll also want to put the single quotes we use for italicization outside the square brackets. The final markup should be

''[[25th Hour]]'' (2002)

Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:17, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I appreciate the help. Bodding (talk) 17:30, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

@Bodding: I fixed your link. The title of our article about the film is 25th Hour, not "The 25th Hour (2002 film)". Deor (talk) 12:27, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I appreciate the help. Bodding (talk) 17:29, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Personal Information warnings

How do I respond to a user when they include apparent personal information, like telephone numbers? Nythar (talk) 06:26, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

You remove the personal information, and tell them it that they shouldn't do that. --Jayron32 11:18, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Article - Terry Quinn - Poet

I went into this page to add more material and found it had been edited and placed with Terry O Quinn. there is not relatonship and these are separate entries and should be treated as such Terry Quinn is a Derby poet not to be confused with O'QUINN an American actor. please retsore the original page help me to add more information — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trentius (talk • contribs) 11:51, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

@Trentius: Wikipedia does not appear to have a page named Terry Quinn which is a redirect to Terry O'Quinn. It seems you have previously removed the redirect and attempted to create an article about the poet (which was unsourced). If you wish to write an article about Quinn (rather than O'Quinn) please review the guide to article creation and the notability guidelines. Some links will also be left at your talk page which will hopefully assist you. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 12:11, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Created a template

Hi everyone. I was hoping to create a new template which is essentially Template:Talk quote inline but with a darker font color. I created Template:Talk quote inline darker and took these steps:

1. I copied over the code from the original template
2. I created Template:Talk quote inline darker/styles.css with content copied from Template:Talk quote inline/styles.css
3. I changed the hex color code to a darker green in the style sheet
4. I changed the new template page to point to the new style sheet

These steps did not achieve the desired result. In testing, the issue I had is that the color of test content using the new template always matched the color of the old. Disturbingly, they both took on whatever color I set in my style sheet. Did I somehow break the original template? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:55, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers: The hex value in both .css sheets are the same from what I can tell. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:03, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Tenryuu. I rolled back to the original hex code when I got worried that I might be breaking the old tq template. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:03, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers I think (and I might be mistaken here, I'm not 100% certain about the operation of mediawiki sanitised CSS) the issue is that you've used the same class names in your new template as were used in the old one. When a page is loaded using both the new and the old template you get two style sheets loaded, and you get a CSS conflict as both contain a definition for "inline-quote-talk" "inline-quote-talk-italic" and "inline-quote-talk-marks". When CSS conflicts occur the last CSS page loaded is the one used and earlier ones are overwritten. You need to rename the definitions in the CSS sheet and change the definitions used in the new template to match. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 13:24, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

That was it! Thanks. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:55, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

I learned something new today. I'll keep this in mind if I ever decide to fiddle with CSS. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:23, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

New question

I notice when i'm logged out of Wikipedia when I hover my mouse over a link I can see part of the lead title and the picture of the page. But when i'm logged in and I hover my mouse over a link it does show anything. Is there anyway to change this in settings? --Aaron106 (talk) 20:38, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

@Aaron106: try turning on Navigation Popups gadget in your preferences. RudolfRed (talk) 20:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: thank you although doesn't the look the same, would there be anyway to make it look the same like when you're logged out? --Aaron106 (talk) 21:00, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

@Aaron106: You may be thinking of Page Previews, which you can enable at Preferences → Appearance → Reading Preferences → Enable page previews (get quick previews of a topic while reading a page). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:06, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

This sorted it! Thank you both for helping out Tenryuu, RudolfRed. --Aaron106 (talk) 21:10, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Ghost Archive

Hi Folks!!. Does anybody know about Ghost Archives at https://ghostarchive.org? An example can be found at Harold Lloyd. Is it genuine and authorised, if such a thing exist and needs to be authorised. Is it a good service, for example. I don't have much clue about how they on work on Wikipedia, except in refs. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 20:56, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

I just see the one link that has a backup link to ghostarchive from one of the references, In the "cite web" template there is an option for an archive URL and it's possible the person creating that reference put that one in there. I am a librarian who kind of keeps up with the permalinking space and I had never heard of it before. The website is registered in Canada and has all the personal information on ownership privatized. There is a Tumblrblog which is likewise anonymous. The site has been around since August 2021. No versions of their About page that I have seen have any personal information on them. For me personally, I continue to rely on Archive.org. Jessamyn (my talk page) 21:13, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

@Jessamyn: I use Archive.org as well. The editor @Rlink2: is putting in hundreds. Is it genuine? I've not heard of it up until this point. scope_creep^Talk 07:40, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

@Scope creep Yes, it is a legitimate archiving site, it's got a listing at WP:WEBARCHIVES if you want to know more about using it. This site is quite good at archiving JavaScript heavy pages. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 12:05, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

@Scope creep hello again, nice to see you here, when i have time I should return back to AfD.

Well as Jessamyn said the site has been active since last year and its been in use since then so I am a little suprised you haven't heard of it but again when discussion tools was activated people still didn't know even with the big banner on watchlists.

The site does the job, and it works for things like Youtube videos and Instagram. I use all 3 of the archiving websites, all are good for me. Rlink2 (talk) 12:02, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Restore revision

I think this is supposed to be in the Edit Summary box when restoring a old revision, "Restored revision 1074725345 by Example (talk): Reverted test edit". Why am I not seeing this? --Aaron106 (talk) 22:30, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Aaron106. Is it possible you are pressing the undo button in the page history? If so, does then an edit window open with a red warning above it saying "The edit could not be undone due to conflicting intermediate edits; if you wish to undo the change, it must be done manually."? – NJD-DE (talk) 22:54, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi no I don't see that warning, when i restore a revision of a page I go to View history > prev > Edit source and there I see a blank box in the edit summary when i think i should be seeing "Restored revision 1074725345 by Example (talk): Reverted test edit" --Aaron106 (talk) 22:57, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Ok got it now I think. Edit summaries like "Restored revision 1074725345 by Example (talk): Reverted test edit" are usually the result of using an anti-vandal tool like Twinkle. It adds a specific button on the old version of an article named "[restore this version]". When hitting it a popup appears asking you to provide an explanation, e.g. "Reverted test edit". It will then revert to this version and produce the edit summary you are referring to. When simply going back to an old revision and editing it there won't be an automated edit summary. – NJD-DE (talk) 23:06, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

NJD-DE Thank you I just tested this out right now in my Sandbox, & is Twinkle the only way to show this message? --Aaron106 (talk) 23:12, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

When undoing specific revisions a similar text is prefilled as edit summary (that was what I first thought you were trying to do). Afaik edit summaries like this when restoring old versions of an article are only possible with additional tools/scripts such as Twinkle. There would be alternatives to Twinkle of course. – NJD-DE (talk) 23:19, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

NJD-DE But officialy Wikipedia on their website only lets you use Twinkle to do this? --Aaron106 (talk) 23:21, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

NJD-DE And finally how do I get it to show "reverted good faith efforts by" I can't see to find it when I click Undo --Aaron106 (talk) 23:30, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

You can check out the Twinkle doc for more information on what it can or can't do. I think the section Wikipedia:Twinkle/doc#Restore_and_rollback might be of interest. Any actions done using a script are still in your responsibility. Other tools can also be used, e.g. Red-Warn. However, Twinkle is probably the most commonly used one. – NJD-DE (talk) 23:36, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Unable to log in.

I have submitted password change requests, 3 yesterday, only 1 today. NONE of them are coming back to me. Yes, I verified I'm using the correct characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.243.212.175 (talk) 22:37, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Did you have an email confirmed-connected to your account?

Asparagusus (interaction) 23:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

1) did you check your spam folder? 2) What was the account's username? Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 10:46, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

May 10

WP:VANDAL

My IP is blocked. How can I report a vandal to a page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.229.154.182 (talk) 09:19, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

That you were able to post here shows you are not blocked. Vandal reports may be made at WP:AIV. Mjroots (talk) 10:02, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Mjroots, I believe the IP is questioning edits made to the Ted Stamm article by this 185.167.77.136 IP - which is under extended protection, so it's entirely possible they are unable to edit that particular article which they (assuming a new user) may have mistaken for being blocked. Chaheel Riens (talk) 12:47, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

@Chaheel Riens: 185.167.77.136 has been blocked under suspicion as a proxy. There are instructions on the block notice if the block was applied in error. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

185.229.154.182 - if an article is semi-protected, such as the Ted Stamm article is, then the talk page (in this case talk:Ted Stamm) should be available for you to use. Mjroots (talk) 13:04, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Tenryuu, I knew that, but it wasn't pertinent to the OP's original comment. I was just pointing out the reasoning as to why the IP may have thought they were blocked if they were trying to edit an EP article, which also has relevance to Mjroots' comment below - if they thought they were blocked, it may not have occurred to them to try the talk page. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:34, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

I want to publish my page

I want to publish my page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngplm (talk • contribs) 11:53, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

The standard advice of your first article applies here. Please bear in mind that Wikipedia is not Facebook or LinkedIn, so if the article is about yourself, your organisation (such as Draft:Naveena Group) etc it is unlikely to be published unless it meets Wikipedia guidelines.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:15, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Inconsistent Editing templates

When I edit pages, it is inconsistent which templates I have above the edit window. I always have the template in grey brown that is two rows for which the top row starts out Undo arrow, redo arrow, B in Bold, I in Italics, U in Underline S with strike. *Sometimes* I get the light grey template above that that has a single row that starts Bold, Italics Signature and timestamp, Link, images and media and ends with "Advanced" "Special characters" "Help" "Cite" with menu arrows on the four. Any idea what I can do to make the light grey template occur always?Naraht (talk) 13:24, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

@Naraht: They are called toolbars. The first you describe is wikEd. Registered users can enable it at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. It's disabled by default and unregistered users don't have it. The other toolbar is the default Wikipedia:RefToolbar/2.0. Both toolbars use JavaScript and can fail if there are issues with JavaScript in the gadgets you enable, or the scripts in User:Naraht/common.js, and either User:Naraht/vector.js or User:Naraht/monobook.js if your skin is Vector or MonoBook. What is your skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering? If you log out (just temporarily for testing without saving edits) then does the default toolbar appear consistently? What if you are logged in but disable wikEd in preferences? PrimeHunter (talk) 17:48, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:My skin is Vector Legacy (I've been working here since 2005. :) ). WikEd doesn't appear to be giving me problems. RefToolbar appears to be the one not showing up all of the time. It seems to be worse when I open multiple windows for editing in quick succession. I'll trying updating to the new Vector and move things over to see if that helps. If it doesn't I'll try logging out and seeing if that makes it show up consistently.Naraht (talk) 18:09, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: I've moved to Vector 2022. Not sure if it was true before or not, but it appears that my browser simply can't handle if the RefToolbar is loading into two tabs at the same time. If I edit source an article and wait for it to fully come up before I edit source another one then it appears that RefToolbar comes up consistently. May be worthwhile to see if this is a Chrome issue or something else. With the knowledge you have given me and my results, it might be worthwhile to go over to WP:VPT for more info.Naraht (talk) 18:22, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Rules i guess

Am i allowed to make an article on my own short story or even youtubers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DevDrawn (talk • contribs) 14:18, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

@DevDrawn: Hello Dev! The answer to your questions are, for your own short story, definitely no. Per WP:FORUM and WP:1DAY, Wikipedia is not for things you just made up one day. Youtubers, while some do have articles here on Wikipedia, usually they haven't been determined to be notable enough to get their own article. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:20, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

@DevDrawn: The most fundamental "rule": Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. If a subject is notable by our definition (WP:N), then we want to have an article about it. If a subject in not notable by our definition, then we do not want an article about it and we will delete any attempt to create such an article. We have evolved a lot of secondary "rules" to support this basic rule. -Arch dude (talk) 15:19, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Your short story would have to be talked about in published, reliable sources, independent of you, and you would have to ask somebody else to write it, as writing with a conflict of interest is not encouraged. It would probably sound like an advertisement. The same applies to YouTubers, but also with the biographies of living persons guidelines. I would also recommend on your first article to go through the articles for creation process, so people can review your potential articles and give you suggestions for improvement.

Asparagusus (interaction) 18:33, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

edit draft title

Hello Wiki Community: I can use some assistance to edit a draft title. One word needs to be changed and I haven't been able to figure it out yet. Thanks for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AvonMooch (talk • contribs) 16:18, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, AvonMooch. In general, you change the title of an article or other page by moving it. But in general, it's not worth bothering about moving a draft to a better title: the title won't affect the review process, and the reviewing editor who accepts the draft will move it to an appropriately-titled article. I guess this is about Draft:David J. Brown (artist)? ColinFine (talk) 16:51, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Making edits to someone's information

I am tasked in my job with updating my new Director's Wikipedia page. I have submitted some changes via the Talk tab. How can I get the page updated?
The article is Deborah Frincke.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Almacka (talk • contribs) 18:35, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

@Almacka: Hello Almacka! All you must do now is wait for an editor to see your request. I've added a COI edit request template to it which will help bring attention to it. In the meantime, please read WP:COI and WP:PAID. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:39, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

I have edited your post replacing the bare URL with a wikilink. --CiaPan (talk) 19:09, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Article for Deletion - Done Wrong Mestizos in the United States

The editor User:Koire292 has attempted to nominate Mestizos in the United States for deletion. They are a new user so they are not yet registered. They have already added the Deletion Template on the page and linked it to an page named Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mestizos in the United States. I had thought about nominating the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mestizos in the United States for a SD and then removing the Deletion Template on Mestizos in the United States, but that does not feel like the right thing to do. I'm not great at the coding part of Wikipedia and I am unsure of what to do from here. I feel the user has a right to express their opinion that they want this article deleted. I just don't know how to help them from here. Can someone else provide assistance? Thank you,--VViking_TalkEdits 22:52, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

@Viewmont Viking: Your comment here and on the user's talk page is confusing. Why do you think this user is not registered and logged in? RudolfRed (talk) 23:54, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

The AfD is malformed, which needs fixing. Other than that, you can't prevent an article from being nominated for deletion... Although it seems that the user is more looking for the term to be removed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:58, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

@Viewmont Viking: I've gone ahead and fixed the nomination as a courtesy, though I strongly suspect that the nominator won't get the result that they're looking for. --Finngall ^talk 00:27, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

@Viewmont Viking Right, since Koire292 has a username, they are "registered". And Finngall is probably right. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 07:26, 11 May 2022 (UTC)