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For the current list of potentially controversial requested moves, see § Current discussions.
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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. (For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.)

Please read the article titling policy and the guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move: a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. See: § Requesting technical moves.
  • Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at WP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
  • A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
  • Unregistered users and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.

Requests are generally processed after seven days. If consensus is reached at or after this time, a reviewer will enact the request. If not, the request may be re-listed to allow more time for consensus to develop, or the discussion closed as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.

When not to use this page

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Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves

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Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:

  • No article exists at the new target title;
  • There has been no discussion (especially no recent discussion) about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
  • It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with such a move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves

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If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct page if you tried to move a page, and you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons: ..."

  • To list a technical request: edit the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code at the top of the list, filling in pages and reason: 
    {{subst:RMassist|current page title|new page title|reason=reason for move}}
    This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Please do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~. Consider pinging the requester to let them know about the objection.
  • If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

Technical requests

Uncontroversial technical requests

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Contested technical requests

I reverted the move of the dab page because at that time the company article still had the accent and the basic title was redirecting to the dab page, which shouldn't happen (not knowing this RM was in process). Then later I moved the company as it now clearly doesn't use the accent, but I'm not sure it's the primary topic: people are often known by surname only, and readers are likely to search for a place without using the equivalent of "The ". PamD 09:36, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requests to revert undiscussed moves

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves

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The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. A move is potentially controversial if either of the following applies:

  • there has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests, such as to correct obvious typographical errors, see Requesting technical moves. The technical moves procedure can also be used for uncontroversial moves when the requested title is occupied by an existing article.

Do not create a new move request when one is already open on the same talk page. Instead, consider contributing to the open discussion if you would like to propose another alternative. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Do not create a move request to rename one or more redirects. Redirects cannot be used as current titles in requested moves.

Requesting a single page move

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To request a single page move, click on the "Add topic" tab of the talk page of the article you want moved, without adding a new subject/header, inserting this code: 

{{subst:requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a simple question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The template will automatically create the heading "Requested move 26 April 2022" and sign the post for you.

There is no need to edit the article in question. Once the above code is added to the Talk page, a bot will automatically add the following notification at the top of the affected page:

Note: Unlike other request processes on Wikipedia, such as Requests for comment, nominations need not be neutral. Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Google Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topics.

WikiProjects may subscribe to Article alerts to receive RM notifications. For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Article alerts/Requested moves is transcluded to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. RMCD bot notifies many of the other Wikiprojects listed on the talk page of the article to be moved to invite project members to participate in the RM discussion. Requesters should feel free to notify any other Wikiproject or noticeboard that might be interested in the move request, as long as this notification is neutral.

Single page move on a different talk page

Occasionally, a move request must be made on a talk page other than the talk page of the page to be moved. For example, a request to rename Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing and templates would need to take place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation because the talk page of the project page to be moved, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources, is a redirect to that centralized discussion page. In this type of case, the requested move should be made using the following code: 

{{subst:requested move|reason=(the reason for the page move goes here).|current1=(present title of page to be renamed)|new1=(proposed title of page)}}

Note that the |1= unnamed parameter is not used, and that the |current1= and |new1= parameters are used similar to multiple page moves described below.

Requesting multiple page moves

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A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected pages, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

To request a multiple page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you chose for your request, without adding a new header, inserting this code: 

{{subst:requested move
| current1 = Current title of page 1
| new1 = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2 = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3 = New title for page 3
| reason = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.
}}
See also: Template:Requested move/extended blank

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.

Occasionally the discussions for significant multi-move requests may be hosted on WikiProject talk pages or other pages in Project namespace. For multi-move discussions hosted on a page which is not itself proposed to be moved, specify |current1=Current title of page 1 for the first page to move.

Request all associated moves explicitly

Please list every move that you wish to have made in your request. For example, if you wish to move Cricket (disambiguation) to Cricket because you do not believe the sport is the primary topic for the search term "Cricket", then you actually want to move two pages, both Cricket (disambiguation) and Cricket. Thus you must list proposed titles for each page affected by your request. For example, you might propose:

If a new title is not proposed for the sport, it is more difficult to achieve consensus for a new title for that article. A move request that does not show what to do with the material at its proposed target, such as:

is incomplete. Such requests may be completed as a request to decide the best new title by discussion.

Template usage examples and notes
Talk page tag Text that will be shown (and usage notes)
{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why}}
links talk edit
Requested move 26 April 2022

Wikipedia:Requested moves → New – why Example (talk) 10:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is given.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.[reply]

{{subst:Requested move|?|reason=why}}
Requested move 26 April 2022

Wikipedia:Requested moves → ? – why Example (talk) 10:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is not known.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.[reply]

{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why|talk=yes}}
Requested move 26 April 2022

Wikipedia:Requested moves → New – why Example (talk) 10:53, 26 April 2022‎ (UTC)[reply]

Survey
Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this subsection with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
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Any additional comments:



This template adds subsections for survey and discussion.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:
Click the "New Section" tab on the talk page and leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template by default automatically creates the heading.

{{subst:Requested move|new1=x|current2=y|new2=z|reason=why}}
Requested move 26 April 2022

– why Example (talk) 10:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted.
Be sure to use the subst: and place this tag at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.
Add additional related move requests in pairs (|current3= and |new3=, |current4= and |new4=, etc.).[reply]

{{subst:Requested move|new1=?|current2=y|new2=?|reason=why}}
Requested move 26 April 2022

– why Example (talk) 10:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Commenting on a requested move

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All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move. There are a number of standards that Wikipedians should practice in such discussions:

  • When editors recommend a course of action, they write Support or Oppose in bold text, which is done by surrounding the word with three single quotes on each side, e.g. '''Support'''.
  • Comments or recommendations are added on a new bulleted line (that is, starting with *) and signed by adding ~~~~ to the end. Responses to another editor are threaded and indented using multiple bullets.
  • The article itself should be reviewed before any recommendation is made; do not base recommendations solely on the information supplied by other editors. It may also help to look at the article's edit history. However, please read the earlier comments and recommendations, as well as prior move requests. They may contain relevant arguments and useful information.
  • Vested interests in the article should be disclosed per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI.

When participating, please consider the following:

  • Editors should make themselves familiar with the article titling policy at Wikipedia:Article titles.
  • Other important guidelines that set forth community norms for article titles include Wikipedia:Disambiguation, specific naming conventions, and the manual of style.
  • The debate is not a vote; please do not make recommendations that are not sustained by arguments.
  • Explain how the proposed article title meets or contravenes policy and guidelines rather than merely stating that it does so.
  • Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line.[a]
  • Do not make conflicting recommendations. If you change your mind, use strike-through to retract your previous statement by enclosing it between <s> and </s> after the bullets, and de-bold the struck words, as in "• Support Oppose".

Please remember that reasonable editors will sometimes disagree, but that arguments based in policy, guidelines, and evidence have more weight than unsupported statements. When an editor offers an argument that does not explain how the move request is consistent with policies and guidelines, a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion may be useful. On the other hand, a pattern of responding to requests with groundless opinion, proof by assertion, and ignoring content guidelines may become disruptive. If a pattern of disruptive behavior persists after efforts are made to correct the situation through dialogue, please consider using a dispute resolution process.

Closing a requested move

Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request. Please read the closing instructions for information on how to close a move request. The Simple guide to closing RM discussions details how to actually close a requested move discussion.

Relisting a requested move

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Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. In general, discussions should not be relisted more than once before properly closing.[b] Users relisting a debate which has already been relisted, or relisting a debate with a substantial discussion, should write a short explanation on why they did not consider the debate sufficient to close. While there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it, many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote. If you want to relist a discussion and then participate in it, be prepared to explain why you think it was appropriate.

Relisting should be done using {{subst:relisting}}, which automatically includes the relister's signature, and which must be placed at the very end of the initial request after the move requester's signature (and subsequent relisters' signatures).

When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions; there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion, such as by notifying WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request can often be used to identify WikiProjects suitable for notification.

Notes

  1. ^ A nominator making a procedural nomination with which they may not agree is free to add a bulleted line explaining their actual position. Additional detail, such as sources, may also be provided in an additional bullet point if its inclusion in the nomination statement would make the statement unwieldy. Please remember that the entire nomination statement is transcluded into the list on this page.
  2. ^ Despite this, discussions are occasionally relisted more than once.

Current discussions

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This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 93 discussions have been relisted.

April 26, 2022

April 25, 2022

  • (Discuss) – M198 → M198 (disambiguation) – There is recent disagreement about whether M198 should be the dab or should redirect to M198 howitzer. It appears to me that the howitzer is the PT for M198, and the highway and engine are much less often the target of a search just on M198. I propose moving the dab thus freeing up the base name to be a redirect to the howitzer. MB 23:45, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Jon Cohen → Jon Cohen (physician) – Page views don't indicate a clear Primary Topic amongst these three. The base Jon Cohen should probably point to John Cohen (instead of an entirely new dab with only three entries). I'm not actually opposed to the new dab; it just seems unnecessary. -2pou (talk) 20:42, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – AC4 → AC4 (band) – As I put in a talk section at Talk:AC-4, I think moving this page to AC4 (band) and then making AC4 a redirect to AC-4 (a disambiguation page) would be a good idea, this is largely because two other AC4 pages, particularly AC4 tank and USS Cyclops (AC-4) get quite a few more pageviews than this page. I thought that moving this page would make it more clear to people which AC4 article they're going to land on when they put "AC4" into the search bar. My idea is to move this page, correct any wikilinks which currently point to AC4 so they point to AC4 (band), then make this page a redirect to AC-4. One reason I could think off in opposition to my idea is that AC-4 doesn't get many pageviews, and so people might not be using it as a disambiguation page enough to justify redirecting AC4 towards it. If anyone dislikes my plan for that or any other reason, by all means feel free to let me know, I'd love to hear your input. Have a good one everyone! – DirkJandeGeer щи 20:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Italian Fascism → Italian fascism – "Fascism" (the ideology, not the political party) is not a proper noun and should be lower case. Sources predominately refer to fascism in the lower case, too. Once the move has taken place I will correct the case throughout the article itself. — Czello 18:08, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Cadoc of Cornwall → Condor of Cornwall – The sources that I've come across give Condor (alternatively Condurus/Candor/etc.) as his primary name, with Cadoc as a possible variant; his son's name is given as Cadoc (sometimes spelled Caddock etc.), with Condor II as a secondary variant. This move will free up this title for an article on his son, while distinguishing the two using their most frequently used WP:COMMONNAMEs. ‑‑YodinT 15:59, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – T57 (tank) → T57 – The page views for this article substantially outstrip all other pages at T57 (disambiguation), including the 2007 gospel album currently listed as T57. I propose that the heavy tank should be listed as the primary topic. FYI, a current proposal to move the gospel album to T57 (album) may be found here. Carguychris (talk) 14:10, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Mormon foodways → Mormon cuisine – (1) As far as I can tell, the phrases "Mormon cuisine" and "Mormon foodways" mean the same thing; (2) the former phrase seems much more popular than the later–judging by Google hits; Google Scholar has both phrases as very rare but "Mormon cuisine" is slightly more common (13 hits) than "Mormon foodways" (10 hits); Google News search gets 11 hits for "Mormon cuisine" but only 2 for "Mormon foodways"; (3) most people know what "cuisine" means, but "foodways" is an unusual term belonging to social science jargon, most people are unfamiliar with it–even though most people can guess at what it means roughly, they are still going to be wondering what the difference is between it and the more common term "cuisine". Alternatively, if people don't agree a move is appropriate, I think it would be worthwhile to add some discussion of the two terms to the article and the difference between them and why one term is more appropriate than the other. Mr248 (talk) 09:07, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Retrial of Joan of Arc → Rehabilitation trial of Joan of Arc – Retrial implies Joan was tried a second time. But in the rehabilitation trial, Joan was not tried, rather the focus of the rehabilitation trial was to determine if the original trial had arrived at its conclusion fairly. Manual redirect was just reverted (Manual reversion is from 8 March , after discussion initiated on 28 March.) Wtfiv (talk) 02:54, 18 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 08:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 24, 2022

  • (Discuss) – Nora Hanen → Nora Buchanan – Character remarried and was Nora Buchanan when the series ended in 2013, and was still Nora Buchanan when she appeared as a guest character on General Hospital in 2017. Nora Buchanan was the character's most common name during the length of her tenure on One Life to Live. Bgsu98 (talk) 18:04, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Redmi 1 → Xiaomi Red Rice – Most of the sources I found for this phone call it the Red Rice (or Hongmi in China), and if you search "Redmi 1" on Google, most of the results are for the Redmi 1S, which is a different smartphone. The only place I found calling it a Redmi phone was in its GSMArena page, but even there it is called just the "Xiaomi Redmi" instead of Redmi 1, and it give alternative names as Red Rice and Hongmi. I'm not sure this phone is even notable enough for a Wikipedia article, or just a section the Xiaomi or Redmi articles, but as for the name I haven't found any other sources calling it the first Redmi, as most of the search results for this phone only come when searching up Xiaomi Red Rice. 9ninety (talk) 14:51, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Bayou Meto River → Bayou Meto – I initially made this move and it was reverted (without explanation), so I am posting my logic. First, this waterway is named "Bayou Meto", not "Bayou Meto River". Secondly, under the current setup, most people searching for this topic will get sent to a disambiguation page because the actual subject is at an incorrectly named page. Further, all of the items at the disambiguation page are named after the river, as they are located nearby the waterway or in the watershed. Therefore, the "river" article should claim it's correctly named page and the other, minor and associated items, can be at the disambiguation. Brandonrush Woo pig sooie! 13:19, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – The party that protects those who do not pay the NHK license fee → Anti-NHK Party – This party political party changed their name again, the sixth time in the past two years, and their party leader in the past have declared they will actively change their party name into the future (Link is to a blog of a senator who belongs to the party which mentioned this), it can reasonably be assumed that their official/full party name do not have any form of stability, and most people probably isn't going to tell for sure what is their latest party name. And thus it is ill-suited for the purpose of Wikipedia article title, as agreed in past discussion. However, this does not mean the agreed upon or the current party name is good either. As pointed out in previous discussion, the agreed upon page name is no longer the party's official name anymore, and googling the current full page name result in only 179 hits with most of the hits being things like this wikipedia article itself, wikidata, dictionaries, mirrors or clones of wikipedia, or information from the party itself. Which indicate this long name have minimal notability or recognition in English, hence it doesn't really make sense to keep the article title as what it currently is either. Now the problem become what should be the name of the new party. The official short form of the party name have been relatively stable as being "NHK Party", and it is also a direct translation to the common name that the party is being known for in Japanese (NHK党), however this lack clarity in English as the party's premise is to fight against NHK, and my Google search result of the term "NHK Party" shows that major outlets when writing their news in English, refer to the party as "anti-NHK party" instead of just "NHK party" almost universally (Mainichi, Jiji, Asahi, Japan Times, Kyodo), which also reflect the party's most prominent policy direction, thus I think this is a more well-known, appropriate, stable, and common name for the party now, thus more appropriate as the title of this wikipedia article on the party. (Users with other opinion should be aware that English language is not a direct translation of Japanese language, and that no one refer to the party as Anti-NHK party in Japanese doesn't mean there are a lack of people/sources in doing so in English language.) C933103 (talk) 19:46, 15 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • C • L) 09:13, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Chicken hypnotism → Tonic immobility in chickens – As funny as the title is, "chicken hypnotism" or "chicken hypnosis" is generally not what this phenomenon is called in a scientific context, and "hypnosis" is misleading (see [7]); the cause is not exactly known but is probably something to do with a panic/predator response. Ovinus (talk) 05:12, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Étienne Perier (governor) → Étienne de Perier – According to the most recent and complete dictionary of Louisiana governors, his name is Étienne de Perier, not Étienne Perier. See: Louisiana Governors : Rulers, Rascals, and Reformers (2010, page 25). "de Perier" is also used in The Louisiana Governors: From Iberville to Edwards. BBC440 (talk) 12:07, 15 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:40, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 23, 2022

  • (Discuss) – Mike Lee (American politician) → Mike Lee – Mike Lee is by far the most viewed, most recognized, most known, and most covered person of his name. The only comparable figure is drummer Michael Lee, who never has been known by the name Mike Lee. He satisfies all criteria to be the primary topic of his name, and with his increasingly prominent position in American politics and growing interest in him due to his recent involvement in creating several high-profile bills, it is likely he will only continue to further stand out as the primary topic. Supporting him being the primary topic is the fact that, short of regional biases such as being from British Colombia, Australia, or North Carolina, home to other Mike Lees of minor notability, almost entirely all results on all search engines, mass media feeds, and social platforms are about the Senator. Unless a person is in such a realm of specificity that they are already including a modifier by default, it is highly unlikely that they will come to Wikipedia looking for a Mike Lee who is not the Senator, as evidenced by the page view counts and general coverage outside Wikipedia. Thus, I believe the Senator's page should be moved away from the unwieldy and frankly unnecessary disambiguation tag "American politician" and to simply his name. This move would satisfy the otherwise unsatisfied Concision and Naturalness naming criteria, without, in my view due to reasons expressed above, sacrificing Precision. A hatnote would likely have to be added to link to the disambiguation page Michael Lee, which currently also houses all Mike Lees. Builder018 (talk) 23:34, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Wayland → Wayland (disambiguation) – I propose that Wayland redirects to Wayland the smith, which would have beneath the title a link to the disambiguation page. From what I can see, the legendary smith is the oldest attestation of the name by far and has the second-highest number of viewers (with the highest being the "display server protocol"). Though the naming of this protocol page I can't find easily, it seems most names on the main page are derived from the legendary figure, be it indirectly or not.--Ingwina (talk) 21:09, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Dead Space (franchise) → Dead Space – The franchise is the clear primary topic for "Dead Space" in caps, with it and its games getting far more views than Dead Space (film). Link to pageviews. (Dead Space 2 gets approx. 425 page views daily, Dead Space 3 about 500). It is also likely that many of the views for the 1991 film are actually looking for the animated video game films such as Dead Space: Downfall making it even less of a prominent target for pageviews than the franchise. Either way it is the predominant thing people are searching for. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:49, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Fixed point (mathematics) → Fixed point of a function – An RM discussion was just closed with no consensus for the suggested WP:PRIMARYTOPIC title of Fixed point for this article. However, the closer of that discussion also suggested further discussion of the article title, and I saw no expressions of support for the current article title in that discussion (e.g., due to ambiguity with Fixed-point arithmetic, an alternative to Floating point that is also a matter of mathematics). When the RM was closed, more than a month had passed by since I had suggested Fixed point of a function, and no one ever responded to that suggestion – even after I highlighted the suggestion in another comment directly about the lack of response after 12 days. The proposed title is more clear and also provides WP:NATURAL disambiguation. There was clear opposition to Invariant point as the title. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Heart (talk) 03:57, 16 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Favonian (talk) 08:34, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 22, 2022

  • (Discuss) – Enquiry Concerning Political Justice → Political Justice – From what I've been able to discern, Political Justice seems to be the common name for the book. It's described by this shorter title in the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica and in the Shelley-Godwin Archive, as well as in the other books I've read about William Godwin (Marshall 1993; Thomas 2019). As such, I think the title for this article should be shortened further, per the common name in reliable sources. Grnrchst (talk) 20:50, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Fox Sports 1 → FS1 (American TV channel) – I am proposing this for two reasons: 1) Name consistency with other sports networks such as NESN, SNY, MASN, and the now-defunct NBCSN, and 2) Neither FS1 nor FS2 are referred to by their full name on-air anymore. I understand this is far from the first time this request has been made, but circumstances have changed dramatically since the last time. 100.7.36.213 (talk) 15:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Joshua M. Kindred → Joshua Kindred – There are no other "Joshua Kindred" articles on Wikipedia, and the subject's middle initial doesn't seem particularly commonly used. This is a pervasive issue in biographical articles, by the way.  White Whirlwind  21:47, 13 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. signed, 511KeV (talk) 11:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Katherine Hughes (activist) → Katherine Angelina Hughes – I think that the article title should be changed to Katherine Angelina Hughes, which is her full name and currently a redirect to this article. I'm proposing this here because it could potentially be controversial to change the article title of a GA. My rationale is that she's known for more than just her activism and that the main reason I had the article title the way it is now is because that's how the redlink showed up in the Women in Red list. If I went back in time, I would have started the article with this title instead. Clovermoss (talk) 03:47, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 21, 2022

  • (Discuss) – Steve New → Stella Nova – This move would reflect the subject's most recent name and gender identity. Though she is likely best known by the name "Steve New", this change would be in line with MOS:GENDERID, which encourages the use of language that reflect[s] the person's latest expressed gender self-identification as reported in the most recent reliable sources, even if it does not match what is most common in sources. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 19:43, 30 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 20:41, 6 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 20:00, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – SS (disambiguation) → SS – This is a follow-up to the discussion which recently occurred at Talk:Schutzstaffel#Requested move 28 March 2022. In that discussion, the idea that the disambiguation page should be moved due to the claim that "SS" no longer primary refers to Schutzstaffel was explored there, but no consensus was formed for either that page move or the proposed page move. In the previous discussion, there was evidence presented that readers looking up "SS" could reasonably/frequently be looking for other topics on the disambiguation page, such as the ship prefix "SS" (which can stand for "steamboat" or "steamship".) Also, a Google Ngrams search for "Schutzstaffel", "steamboat", "steam boat", "steamship", and "steam ship" shows that at present, "Schutzstaffel" seems dwarfed by "steamboat" and "steamship" in general. (Not sure if this illustrates how often these terms are referred to as "SS" individually, but seems as though recent books reference the naval vehicles over the organization.) For these reasons, I think it will be more help for our readers to arrive at the disambiguation page so they can figure out what subject they are attempting to locate. Steel1943 (talk) 19:03, 13 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 19:34, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Lena (actress) → Lenaa – The actor has informed that she has officially changed her name from Lena to Lenaa vide Kerala state gazetted notification.[1]

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  1. ^ http://englisharchives.mathrubhumi.com/movies-music/movie-news/lenaa-name-change-1.6367589
Eutectoid55 (talk) 03:37, 21 April 2022 (UTC) Eutectoid55 (talk) 03:37, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 20, 2022

  • (Discuss) – Jomboy (sports media personality) → Jomboy – Two and a half years after Jimmy "Jomboy" O'Brien became a well-known persona in sports media with his video on the Houston Astros sign stealing scandal, I think it's safe to say that he has become the primary topic for the word "Jomboy" in English, as borne out by Google and Google News searches. The city in Uzbekistan has a population of 11,000, and even the Uzbek Wikipedia only has a few paragraphs' worth of content on it. Only 82 people visited the city article in February, and of those 82 at least 36 clicked through to Jomboy O'Brien. You can see here the massive surge of views the city article got during the Astros scandal, and how it never died back down. There were only a few months prior to the Astros video that the city got more pageviews than it's gotten the past few months, and even then, Jomboy O'Brien was still a well-known baseball personality at that time. If you go back before June of 2018, the city consistently got 50-75 views per month, keeping in mind that at most 46 people visiting the article this past month were actually looking for it (probably considerably less considering some people just don't click navigation links). If there isn't consensus for this, I would suggest still moving the city article and making Jomboy a DAB, and also perhaps giving O'Brien a more concise title... either Jomboy (entertainer) or Jimmy "Jomboy" O'Brien. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 13:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 21:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – IRIVER → iRiver – Proposing to revert to the name used before 15 August 2005, per MOS:TM, MOS:ALLCAPS, WP:TITLETM. There was also an undiscussed move from iriver (with {{lowercase}}) to IRIVER earlier today. Both of those moves were just following the company's whims for promotional styling of the same name. Lots of companies style their names with all-capital or all-lowercase letters for brand promotion, and Wikipedia prefers not to help promote that sort of decorative styling. Consider TIME, KISS, ASUS, SONY, MOTOROLA, REALTOR, adidas, nintendo, facebook, pyrex, etc. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Battle of Donbas (2022) → Donbas offensive – Per History Man1812, this isn't a battle for a specific city or objective, but a broad offensive over a large geographic area. "Donbas offensive" is probably not the best title either, but it definitely should be moved somewhere other than where it is - feel free to contribute other suggestions below. HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith (talk) 15:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Brazilian → Brazilian (disambiguation) – This was discussed about eight years ago, and the weak consensus (with only a handful of !votes) was that this DAB page should be the primary topic. Looking at the page now, it's pretty clear that's not the right decision. In common English usage, none of the other things on this page are described solely with the word "Brazilian," with the exception of the waxing procedure. Between a country of 212 million people and a type of waxing, the country is the primary topic. This is much more similar to Canadian, Pakistani, or Argentine than it is to German, Portuguese, or French. agtx 14:54, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Hawaii → Hawaiʻi – This proposal has been discussed twice in this page's history, as far as I can tell, but the last time was nine years ago. The question is: should this page be moved to Hawaiʻi? In previous discussions WP:COMMONNAME was cited as the reason to leave the page as it is. This isn't a persuasive rationale anymore. Per WP:TIES, we use the appropriate form of English when an article has a strong national tie. Hawaiʻi's history and relationship with the rest of the United States is complicated, and the idea that we would apply Ties and Common Name to allow what is commonly used in the mainland United States to trample over the common usage in Hawaiʻi smacks of systemic bias. The spelling with the Okina appears predominant in Hawaiʻi. It's used by the state government, the state courts, the state university, magazines, news outlets, and road signs. It's time to catch up. agtx 13:53, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Tai-Pan (disambiguation) → Taipan (disambiguation) – I think that Taipan should be the name of this article with both the snake and the hyphenated (Chinese) version the primary topics. Most of the entries here are unhyphenated, with a few of them referring to the Chinese origin of the word, but most referring to the Australian one. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 11:51, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Abu Ubayda ibn al-Jarrah → Abu Ubayda – The usage of 'ibn al-Jarrah' ('son of al-Jarrah) is incorrect as Abu Ubayda's real name was Amir ibn Abd Allah ibn al-Jarrah or Abu Ubayda ibn Abd Allah, not ibn al-Jarrah. Abu Ubayda is the WP:COMMONNAME for this figure and Abu Ubayda most commonly refers to this figure and the title itself redirects to this article. There is a disambiguation for its variant spelling 'Abu Ubaidah', which could sometimes refer to someone else. However, the spelling 'Abu Ubayda' almost always refers to this commander. ─ Al-Thawr (talk) 09:24, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 19, 2022

  • (Discuss) – 2023 Nigerian general election → 2023 Nigerian elections – I request this move as the current title indicates that there is one central election on one day (like Pakistani and British election pages); however, there are dozens of different elections in Nigeria throughout 2023 (from February to at least November) making this page more comparable to the 2020 United States elections (especially as they are both presidential systems with a large number of disparate elections throughout the year). Also, as the component elections in this page already have unique pages, it is no longer like the 2019 page where there was no separate presidential election page. In accordance with other like pages, such as the 2022 Nigerian elections, I believe 2023 Nigerian elections is more accurate. Watercheetah99 (talk) 23:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – IWI Tavor → IWI Tavor TAR-21 – Name from lead and infobox. Someone shortened (original research) it to "IWI Tavor" for no reason because lead and infobox still has full name and there is no any explanation if "IWI Tavor" is actually any official shortened name or whatever. Eurohunter (talk) 07:19, 12 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 20:56, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Hurricane Juan → Hurricane Juan (2003) – Given how Vongfong 2020 wasn’t the PTOPIC due to higher pageviews and retirement in spite of less impact, this is similar. Juan 1985 caused more deaths and damage and even though this has higher pageviews, that doesn’t determine PTOPIC. As such there is no primary topic. 108.58.9.194 (talk) 18:50, 12 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 20:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Garnet Til Alexandros XVII → Princess Garnet –
    My reasons for the move proposal: 1) A google search for "Garnet Til Alexandros XVII" yield 75,500 results. "Princess Garnet" on the other hand returned 10.5 million hits. Even if one is inclined to argue that there is a percentage of false positives in the search results, which is given with every instance of a search, at least a slim majority of the results appear to directly refer to this character. There is no other notable individual in existence that we know of, fictional or otherwise, who is typically referred to as "Princess Garnet". 2) Most of the reliable sources cited in this article also refer to her as "Princess Garnet" or by her Dagger pseudonym. Going by the reliable sources, Garnet Til Alexandros XVII is clearly not the common name for the character. 3) While the character's role does transitions into that of a sovereign monarch later in the game's story, that is still not the role she is best known or remembered for according to reliable sources. Given the context, I find that the arguments presented during two move proposals documented in the archived talk page for Princess Leia are very instructive: [[48]]. I note that arguments which request for a change to "Leia Organa" or at least removing the title of "Princess" due to her different role in the Star Wars sequel trilogy as a Republic general were found to be unconvincing. 4) Even with real life royal figures, we don't usually refer to their full royal names or stylings for the purpose of determining the appropriate title for a Wikipedia page about them. Garnet Til Alexandros XVII simply isn't concise. For example, Elizabeth II's daughter is simply Anne, Princess Royal on Wikipedia, not titled Anne Elizabeth Alice Louise or any other convoluted title that invokes the House of Windsor. Haleth (talk) 13:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Taoism → Daoism – Rather than reiterate the arguments, I will link to move request in 2008. I believe after 14 more years of Hanyu Pinyin becoming even more standard than it was in 2008, the arguments presented in favor still apply. According to Google Analytics, Daoism has sharply, rapidly risen as a search term, especially after many countries accepted Hanyu Pinyin as a standard and historians and journalists began shifting that way. In the most recent year we have, 2019, Daoism is almost equal with Taoism, which has been steadily declining since its peak in 2001. In American English, Daoism had already surpassed Taoism. In British English, Daoism has also surpassed Taoism. The only other category that I could figure out how to view, English fiction writing, has not caught up. If I might boldly assume, I think that may have changed a bit in the last three years, and it may also be in part due to creative writers checking Wikipedia for reassurance rather than their natural inclination. If we the other most common English term I imagine people would search up here, Daoist vs. Taoist, Daoist is more popular in every category, including overall. By Wikipedia's official preference for Hanyu Pinyin, if Taoism and Daoism have nearly equal English recognizability, we should prefer Daoism. It would also match with the rule that we should try to go with similar article titles in Daozang, which we do not list as Tao Tsang for obvious reasons. Every page asociated with "Tao" could be changed to "Dao" with the same assumption of recognition as the "Daoism" page; the reverse is not true. Just to reiterate the thread I linked, as others have stated Wade-Giles is outdated. Taoism and Daoism are very close English terms; however, most modern historical scholarship uses "Daoism." Additionally, as more English speakers are learning Mandarin and Chinese media is becoming more popular, they are much more familiar with Hanyu Pinyin than Wade-Giles; also because Chinese daoist cultivation fantasy stories are particularly common in the past three years for English speakers, after international popularity of The Untamed and Mo Xiang Tong Xiu's novels best sellers, more and more laymen are familiar with this spelling, in addition to it being most natural for most Mandarin speakers/learners. We do not use Mao Tse-Tung nor Peking despite that being common knowledge for English speakers for awhile. It's time to change with the trends! Blumenblatt (talk) 08:08, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Lahti-Kotkan satama commuter rail → VR commuter rail – The actual name of said commuter rail system is "VR commuter rail", the current name "Lahti-Kotkan satama commuter rail" refers to only one of its seven services. However, VR commuter rail has previously redirected to another, mostly separate system called Helsinki commuter rail which is an outdated redirection and nowadays somewhat incorrect. TLDR: "VR commuter rail" should be the name of a page currently titled "Lahti-Kotkan satama commuter rail". Tavarajuna (talk) 15:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – ATK (football club) → Atlético de Kolkata – This team was in existence for 6 seasons, the first three as "Atlético de Kolkata", and the final three as "ATK". I don't see any evidence that one name is more notable than the other; however, the original name provides a WP:NATURAL disambiguation, which is preferable. 162 etc. (talk) 20:03, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Ginan (star) → Epsilon Crucis – The name "Ginan" has not come into widespread use for this star. There are hits at web pages based on Wikipedia and some other popular sites, a few hits in books, mostly related to history and indigenous astronomy, almost none in scientific publications. The article was renamed from the title Epsilon Crucis in 2018. See also the previous group requested move on this page and Requested move 16 October 2021 for related discussions about the preferred titles for the main stars of Crux. Lithopsian (talk) 16:40, 6 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 20:30, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Darkstalkers 3 → Vampire Savior – Vampire Savior is the name of the original arcade release worldwide (yes, including Western countries). Darkstalkers 3 is the name for the PlayStation port in Western countries, which came a year later, and features different characters. The main topic of this page is the original arcade game, with its derivatives (Vampire Hunter 2, Vampire Savior 2, and Darkstalkers 3) discussed in the Release section. TarkusABtalk/contrib 16:02, 14 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 20:28, 21 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 23:57, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Russian information war against Ukraine → Russian–Ukrainian information war – As stated in the following sources, both Russia and Ukraine are engaging in information warfare, which has been ongoing for years. The attempt to present Ukraine as a helpless victim of Russian propaganda that does not respond in kind fails our readers and our obligation to NPOV. *Aliaksandrau, Andrei (2014). "Brave new war: The information war between Russia and Ukraine". Index on Censorship. 43 (4): 54–60. doi:10.1177/0306422014560963. *Szostek, Joanna (2018). "Nothing Is True? The Credibility of News and Conflicting Narratives during "Information War" in Ukraine". The International Journal of Press/Politics. 23 (1): 116–135. doi:10.1177/1940161217743258. *Golovchenko, Yevgeniy; Hartmann, Mareike; Adler-Nissen, Rebecca (2018). "State, media and civil society in the information warfare over Ukraine: citizen curators of digital disinformation". International Affairs. 94 (5): 975–994. doi:10.1093/ia/iiy148. *"Outmatched in military might, Ukraine has excelled in the information war" Washington Post *In Ukraine’s Information War, a Blend of Fact and Fiction NYT *The Information War Between Ukraine and Russia Is Far From Over Atlantic After the discussion immediately above, Elinruby chose to violate move request procedure with an undiscussed move that they knew was controversial. I'm starting this move request to gain a clear consensus. Ping to HouseOfChange who weighed in above. (t · c) buidhe 07:11, 23 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Spekkios (talk) 22:57, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Torn (Ednaswap song) → Brændt – I'm actually quite torn on how to handle this myself. The original, first version of this song is called "Brændt". However, one could argue that "Torn" is a different song altogether because of its English lyrics, as seen in a similar recent discussion at ¿Quién será?. Based on the way I see it, we have four options: * Option 1: Move to "Brændt", since this is the original composition by Lis Sørensen * Option 2: Split the article into "Brændt" and "Torn (Ednaswap song)", because both are entirely different songs lyrically * Option 3: Do nothing; "Brændt" is not a commonly recognizable name, and we should use the more well-know English title for this page * Option 4: Do something else; another title or proposal would work better As I said, I am indecisive, so I'm not going to vote for an option right now. I'm curious to see what other people think about this. ResPM (T🔈🎵C) 22:52, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Challenger ATP de Salinas Diario Expreso → Challenger de Salinas – I did not find any source confirming or denying this challenger is indeed the same previous one held until 2014. However if we want to keep all the editions in one place, we need first to remove the sponsor name from the title of this article as per guidelines over the tournament's main article, then the title name has to be changed into "Challenger de Salinas" which is the official name in 2021 edition's pdf of main draw already in wiki. And of course make the change on the related links too. 79.42.106.116 (talk) 01:11, 3 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 21:52, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Rangefinding telemeter → Rangefinder – This article started out at Telemeter, but that created ambiguity with other uses of that term. The ambiguity was resolved by moving the article to the current title, but that does not satisfy WP:COMMONNAME. "Telemeter" and "rangefinder" both appear to be common names for this type of device, but "rangefinding telemeter" is not. The article should have been moved to Rangefinder. Srleffler (talk) 04:49, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – IEEE 1394 → FireWire – Is the name Firewire not commonly used outside of Apple spheres? Is the numerical identifier that much more widespread in common use? —151.132.206.250 (talk) 18:53, 14 December 2021 (UTC) (move proposed 15:37, 24 March 2022 (UTC)) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 07:06, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Christ Catholic Church (Pruter) → Christ Catholic Church –
    I feel the previous RM failed because I did not articulate my sources and arguments properly. Hence, a few months later, I am making a second attempt with an improved request.
    Christ Catholic Church (Pruter) and Christ Catholic Church of the Americas and Europe are two different denomination, with the only common point that what was to become the Christ Catholic Church (Pruter) was part during one (!) year of the Christ Catholic Church of the Americas and Europe before being granted its independence (see the examples below). And the Christ Catholic Church (Pruter) continues to exist to this day while the Christ Catholic Church of the Americas and Europe does not exist anymore.
    All sources use "Christ Catholic Church" to refer to the Christ Catholic Church (Pruter). And all sources differentiate between Christ Catholic Church (Pruter) and the Christ Catholic Church of the Americas and Europe, and do not treat them as simply a part of the history of another. E.g. the entries in the 2009 Melton's encyclopedia of American religions are separated (the entry for the Christ Catholic Church of the Americas and Europe is "Old Orthodox Catholic Patriarchate of America" on pp. 1162–3; the entry for the denomination associated with Pruter is "Christ Catholic Church" on p. 111). Both denominations have enough WP:Notability to deserve their own article. The name "Christ Catholic Church" is never used to refer to both denominations, only to the denomination associater with Pruter.
    The Christ Catholic Church of the Americas and Europe is never called "Christ Catholic Church".
    The expression "Christ Catholic Church" is always used to refer to Christ Catholic Church of Pruter (WP:V, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, WP:RS). For example: * Independent Bishops: An International Directory (1990, Apogee Books): **Preface:  :::"Karl Pruter, founder and bishop of Christ Catholic Church." (p. v)  :*entry "Pruter, [Karl] Hugo Rehling - Christ Catholic Church":  :::"Peter A. Zhurawetsky of the Old Orthodox Catholic Patriarchate of America" (p. 330)  :*entry "Zhurawetsky, Peter Andreas - Orthodox Catholic Patriarchate of America":  :::"[Zhurawetsky] soon changed th name of the church to Christ Catholic Church of the Americas and Europe. [...] The church has also been known as Christ Orthodox Catholic Patriarchate, Byelorussian National Catholic Church, and most recently as the Orthodox Catholic Patriarchate of America. He maintains a chapel called Church of the Visitation at Vineland, New Jersey. The most substantive work to emerge from Zhurawetsky's activity has been Christ Catholic Church which began as the Diocese of Boston under his jurisdiction. It is led by Karl Pruter whom Zhurawetsky consecrated in 1967." (pp. 445-6) *The 2009 Melton's encyclopedia of American religions (you can check for yourself at the Internet Archive) **entry "Old Orthodox Catholic Patriarchate of America":  :::"among his first acts, Zhurawetsky changed the name of the Church to Christ Catholic Church of the Americas and Europe" (p. 1162)  :::"Pruter, who consented to the consecration only on the condition that they be se aside as an independent jurisdiction to be called Christ Catholic Church, Diocese of Boston, now known simply as Christ Catholic Church." (pp. 1162 (end) and 1163 (beginning))  :*entry "Christ Catholic Church":  :::"Christ Catholic Church was founded in 1965 by Rev. Karl Pruter (1920-2007)" (p. 111), see also the name of the entry and the rest of the entry's content Therefore, as per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, Christ Catholic Church should be the name used to designate the denomination associated with Pruter. Veverve (talk) 06:36, 1 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 05:28, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Gautama Buddha → Siddhartha Gautama – This article is a biography, and as such, it should be named after the proper name of its subject, without religious titles, like as for pages such as Muhammad (not "Prophet Muhammad"), Jesus (not "Jesus Christ") and Paul the Apostle (not "St. Paul"). The Buddha's name is Siddhartha Gautama, and this article is the biography of Siddhartha Gautama, the man. "The Buddha" is arguably also a name or a nickname for the man, but this has been rejected as a title in previous move requests over the alleged confusion this would create regarding Buddahood in general. (This seems like a spurious argument but it is what it is.) "Gautama Buddha", however, is neither a proper name, nor a nickname. It is a hodgepodge of the Buddha's surname and the title "Buddha", making it a hypocritical article name with regards to Wikipedia policies and guidelines that have seen the terms prophet, christ and saint titles removed from other religious biographies. And this is the critical point, because whereas "Siddhartha Gautama" is a proper name with no apparent problems, "Gautama Buddha" is a sort of name-title hybrid that directly conflicts with the standard practice for religious biographies in other faiths, and I see no reason why the rules applied to the Abrahamic faiths should not be applied equally to Eastern religions. In a pure toss-up between the names, there is little between "Siddhartha Gautama" and "Gautama Buddha" in Ngrams (- though again, incidentally, "The Buddha" leads). This is also after Wikipedia has been pushing out the name Gautama Buddha for two decades, so the results may also include Wikipedia-mirroring resources. I am unclear if any of the sources of the article use this name. It certainly appears in none of the notes or source titles. What little currency the name-title "Gautama Buddha" does seem to gain within certain circles seems to mainly be as a respectful title for the Buddha, particularly among Buddhists and deferential scholars of Far Eastern religion, just as Muslims or similarly deferential scholars might refer to "The Prophet Muhammad". It is not neutral, however, for Wikipedia to refer to a religious figure either with titles, in the preferred way of their followers, or with undue respect. As with other religious figures, we should use the matter of fact proper name "Siddhartha Gautama" here too. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:38, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Romualdas Giedraitis → Romuald Giedroyć – Second attempt to move the article under the correct name. Here we are dealing with a Polish-Lithuanian general, from a Polish-speaking family, who used the name "Romuald Giedroyć" all his life. What we can find out by looking at his grave. Despite his rather prominent role in local history, he did not gain such prominence as to be frequently mentioned by authors writing in English about the Napoleonic Wars etc. Nevertheless, I managed to find 5 such mentions. I have not found any use of the lithuanised form of his name in English texts. So there is no basis for such a form to be used. Marcelus (talk) 21:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Forza (series) → Forza – I am once again asking for the video game series to become the primary topic. It has only gotten more and more prominent and popular over time with the Forza Horizon games being some of the most prevalent racing games out there. There are also no other articles solely called "Forza" to disambiguate from, with the vehicles all being under alternate names. The primary topic for this term is crystal-clear. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:01, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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