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For the current list of potentially controversial requested moves, see § Current discussions.
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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. (For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.)

Please read the article titling policy and the guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move: a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. See: § Requesting technical moves.
  • Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at WP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
  • A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
  • Unregistered users and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.

Requests are generally processed after seven days. If consensus is reached at or after this time, a reviewer will enact the request. If not, the request may be re-listed to allow more time for consensus to develop, or the discussion closed as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.

When not to use this page

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Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves

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Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:

  • No article exists at the new target title;
  • There has been no discussion (especially no recent discussion) about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
  • It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with such a move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves

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If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct page if you tried to move a page, and you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons: ..."

  • To list a technical request: edit the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code at the top of the list, filling in pages and reason: 
    {{subst:RMassist|current page title|new page title|reason=reason for move}}
    This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Please do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~. Consider pinging the requester to let them know about the objection.
  • If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

Technical requests

Uncontroversial technical requests

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Contested technical requests

Requests to revert undiscussed moves

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves

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The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. A move is potentially controversial if either of the following applies:

  • there has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests, such as to correct obvious typographical errors, see Requesting technical moves. The technical moves procedure can also be used for uncontroversial moves when the requested title is occupied by an existing article.

Do not create a new move request when one is already open on the same talk page. Instead, consider contributing to the open discussion if you would like to propose another alternative. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Do not create a move request to rename one or more redirects. Redirects cannot be used as current titles in requested moves.

Requesting a single page move

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To request a single page move, click on the "Add topic" tab of the talk page of the article you want moved, without adding a new subject/header, inserting this code: 

{{subst:requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a simple question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The template will automatically create the heading "Requested move 16 April 2022" and sign the post for you.

There is no need to edit the article in question. Once the above code is added to the Talk page, a bot will automatically add the following notification at the top of the affected page:

Note: Unlike other request processes on Wikipedia, such as Requests for comment, nominations need not be neutral. Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Google Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topics.

WikiProjects may subscribe to Article alerts to receive RM notifications. For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Article alerts/Requested moves is transcluded to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. RMCD bot notifies many of the other Wikiprojects listed on the talk page of the article to be moved to invite project members to participate in the RM discussion. Requesters should feel free to notify any other Wikiproject or noticeboard that might be interested in the move request, as long as this notification is neutral.

Single page move on a different talk page

Occasionally, a move request must be made on a talk page other than the talk page of the page to be moved. For example, a request to rename Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing and templates would need to take place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation because the talk page of the project page to be moved, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources, is a redirect to that centralized discussion page. In this type of case, the requested move should be made using the following code: 

{{subst:requested move|reason=(the reason for the page move goes here).|current1=(present title of page to be renamed)|new1=(proposed title of page)}}

Note that the |1= unnamed parameter is not used, and that the |current1= and |new1= parameters are used similar to multiple page moves described below.

Requesting multiple page moves

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A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected pages, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

To request a multiple page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you chose for your request, without adding a new header, inserting this code: 

{{subst:requested move
| current1 = Current title of page 1
| new1 = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2 = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3 = New title for page 3
| reason = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.
}}
See also: Template:Requested move/extended blank

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.

Occasionally the discussions for significant multi-move requests may be hosted on WikiProject talk pages or other pages in Project namespace. For multi-move discussions hosted on a page which is not itself proposed to be moved, specify |current1=Current title of page 1 for the first page to move.

Request all associated moves explicitly

Please list every move that you wish to have made in your request. For example, if you wish to move Cricket (disambiguation) to Cricket because you do not believe the sport is the primary topic for the search term "Cricket", then you actually want to move two pages, both Cricket (disambiguation) and Cricket. Thus you must list proposed titles for each page affected by your request. For example, you might propose:

If a new title is not proposed for the sport, it is more difficult to achieve consensus for a new title for that article. A move request that does not show what to do with the material at its proposed target, such as:

is incomplete. Such requests may be completed as a request to decide the best new title by discussion.

Template usage examples and notes
Talk page tag Text that will be shown (and usage notes)
{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why}}
links talk edit
Requested move 16 April 2022

Wikipedia:Requested moves → New – why Example (talk) 07:38, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is given.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.[reply]

{{subst:Requested move|?|reason=why}}
Requested move 16 April 2022

Wikipedia:Requested moves → ? – why Example (talk) 07:38, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is not known.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.[reply]

{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why|talk=yes}}
Requested move 16 April 2022

Wikipedia:Requested moves → New – why Example (talk) 07:38, 16 April 2022‎ (UTC)[reply]

Survey
Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this subsection with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
Discussion
Any additional comments:



This template adds subsections for survey and discussion.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:
Click the "New Section" tab on the talk page and leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template by default automatically creates the heading.

{{subst:Requested move|new1=x|current2=y|new2=z|reason=why}}
Requested move 16 April 2022

– why Example (talk) 07:38, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted.
Be sure to use the subst: and place this tag at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.
Add additional related move requests in pairs (|current3= and |new3=, |current4= and |new4=, etc.).[reply]

{{subst:Requested move|new1=?|current2=y|new2=?|reason=why}}
Requested move 16 April 2022

– why Example (talk) 07:38, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Commenting on a requested move

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All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move. There are a number of standards that Wikipedians should practice in such discussions:

  • When editors recommend a course of action, they write Support or Oppose in bold text, which is done by surrounding the word with three single quotes on each side, e.g. '''Support'''.
  • Comments or recommendations are added on a new bulleted line (that is, starting with *) and signed by adding ~~~~ to the end. Responses to another editor are threaded and indented using multiple bullets.
  • The article itself should be reviewed before any recommendation is made; do not base recommendations solely on the information supplied by other editors. It may also help to look at the article's edit history. However, please read the earlier comments and recommendations, as well as prior move requests. They may contain relevant arguments and useful information.
  • Vested interests in the article should be disclosed per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI.

When participating, please consider the following:

  • Editors should make themselves familiar with the article titling policy at Wikipedia:Article titles.
  • Other important guidelines that set forth community norms for article titles include Wikipedia:Disambiguation, specific naming conventions, and the manual of style.
  • The debate is not a vote; please do not make recommendations that are not sustained by arguments.
  • Explain how the proposed article title meets or contravenes policy and guidelines rather than merely stating that it does so.
  • Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line.[a]
  • Do not make conflicting recommendations. If you change your mind, use strike-through to retract your previous statement by enclosing it between <s> and </s> after the bullets, and de-bold the struck words, as in "• Support Oppose".

Please remember that reasonable editors will sometimes disagree, but that arguments based in policy, guidelines, and evidence have more weight than unsupported statements. When an editor offers an argument that does not explain how the move request is consistent with policies and guidelines, a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion may be useful. On the other hand, a pattern of responding to requests with groundless opinion, proof by assertion, and ignoring content guidelines may become disruptive. If a pattern of disruptive behavior persists after efforts are made to correct the situation through dialogue, please consider using a dispute resolution process.

Closing a requested move

Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request. Please read the closing instructions for information on how to close a move request. The Simple guide to closing RM discussions details how to actually close a requested move discussion.

Relisting a requested move

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Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. In general, discussions should not be relisted more than once before properly closing.[b] Users relisting a debate which has already been relisted, or relisting a debate with a substantial discussion, should write a short explanation on why they did not consider the debate sufficient to close. While there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it, many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote. If you want to relist a discussion and then participate in it, be prepared to explain why you think it was appropriate.

Relisting should be done using {{subst:relisting}}, which automatically includes the relister's signature, and which must be placed at the very end of the initial request after the move requester's signature (and subsequent relisters' signatures).

When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions; there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion, such as by notifying WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request can often be used to identify WikiProjects suitable for notification.

Notes

  1. ^ A nominator making a procedural nomination with which they may not agree is free to add a bulleted line explaining their actual position. Additional detail, such as sources, may also be provided in an additional bullet point if its inclusion in the nomination statement would make the statement unwieldy. Please remember that the entire nomination statement is transcluded into the list on this page.
  2. ^ Despite this, discussions are occasionally relisted more than once.

Current discussions

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This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 128 discussions have been relisted.

April 16, 2022

  • (Discuss) – Fixed point (mathematics) → Fixed point of a function – An RM discussion was just closed with no consensus for the suggested WP:PRIMARYTOPIC title of Fixed point for this article. However, the closer of that discussion also suggested further discussion of the article title, and I saw no expressions of support for the current article title in that discussion (e.g., due to ambiguity with Fixed-point arithmetic, an alternative to Floating point that is also a matter of mathematics). When the RM was closed, more than a month had passed by since I had suggested Fixed point of a function, and no one ever responded to that suggestion – even after I highlighted the suggestion in another comment directly about the lack of response after 12 days. The proposed title is more clear and also provides WP:NATURAL disambiguation. There was clear opposition to Invariant point as the title. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Heart (talk) 03:57, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 15, 2022

  • (Discuss) – Venetian Left (2013) → Sanca Veneta – (or simply "Sanca"). The name of the party is not translated in any source and I believe that the title in the original language should be kept, thus allowing natural disambiguation with the other party whose translated name is the same. Scia Della Cometa (talk) 19:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Turnagra (talk) 20:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – ATK (football club) → Atlético de Kolkata – This team was in existence for 6 seasons, the first three as "Atlético de Kolkata", and the final three as "ATK". I don't see any evidence that one name is more notable than the other; however, the original name provides a WP:NATURAL disambiguation, which is preferable. 162 etc. (talk) 20:03, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – The party that protects those who do not pay the NHK license fee → Anti-NHK Party – This party political party changed their name again, the sixth time in the past two years, and their party leader in the past have declared they will actively change their party name into the future (Link is to a blog of a senator who belongs to the party which mentioned this), it can reasonably be assumed that their official/full party name do not have any form of stability, and most people probably isn't going to tell for sure what is their latest party name. And thus it is ill-suited for the purpose of Wikipedia article title, as agreed in past discussion. However, this does not mean the agreed upon or the current party name is good either. As pointed out in previous discussion, the agreed upon page name is no longer the party's official name anymore, and googling the current full page name result in only 179 hits with most of the hits being things like this wikipedia article itself, wikidata, dictionaries, mirrors or clones of wikipedia, or information from the party itself. Which indicate this long name have minimal notability or recognition in English, hence it doesn't really make sense to keep the article title as what it currently is either. Now the problem become what should be the name of the new party. The official short form of the party name have been relatively stable as being "NHK Party", and it is also a direct translation to the common name that the party is being known for in Japanese (NHK党), however this lack clarity in English as the party's premise is to fight against NHK, and my Google search result of the term "NHK Party" shows that major outlets when writing their news in English, refer to the party as "anti-NHK party" instead of just "NHK party" almost universally (Mainichi, Jiji, Asahi, Japan Times, Kyodo), which also reflect the party's most prominent policy direction, thus I think this is a more well-known, appropriate, stable, and common name for the party now, thus more appropriate as the title of this wikipedia article on the party. (Users with other opinion should be aware that English language is not a direct translation of Japanese language, and that no one refer to the party as Anti-NHK party in Japanese doesn't mean there are a lack of people/sources in doing so in English language.) C933103 (talk) 19:46, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Argentina national under-23 football team → Argentina Olympic football team – The article should be called Argentina Olympic football team. The Olympic team fields 3 players over the age of 23 for the Olympics. Furthermore, it lists achievements and results of the Olympic team at the Olympic games before it was primarily a U23 team. This article is about the Olympic team in all its incarnations (primarily U23 and not primarily U23), yet the article is called the U23 team. That doesn't make sense. In addition, it lists a result from the Saison Cup, which in the linked source, identifies it as an U24 team. Finally, it lists honours from the Panamerican Games. The Panamerican games are an U22 competition with an exception for 3 overage players. So we have full (not age restricted) teams, U23 teams with 3 overage players, U24 teams, and U22 teams with 3 overage players, all being credit as the U23 team. It does not add up, and it makes much more sense to call it the Olympic team because that is what this article is actually about. Here's the source linked in the article calling the Saison Card Cup teams U24, the official source from the Japanese federation: http://www.jfa.jp/eng/national_team/u24_2021/20210326/match_page.html#pankz Here's one source from Uruguay's football federation calling their winning team of the Panamerican games an U22 team: https://www.auf.org.uy/uruguay-campe-oacute-n-panamericano/. BlackenedTheUSSR (talk) 15:21, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Étienne Perier (governor) → Étienne de Perier – According to the most recent and complete dictionary of Louisiana governors, his name is Étienne de Perier, not Étienne Perier. See: Louisiana Governors : Rulers, Rascals, and Reformers (2010, page 25). "de Perier" is also used in The Louisiana Governors: From Iberville to Edwards. BBC440 (talk) 12:07, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 14, 2022

  • (Discuss) – Carillion → Carillion plc – I believe that we need to further disambiguate this article title from carillon. The word "carillon" is pronounced kə-RIL-yən in British English, which happens to be the same pronunciation of the company's name. It's likely that British English speakers are often writing "carillion" when searching for the musical instrument. In my personal experience, people struggle with spelling the name of the musical instrument, even on Wikipedia, hence the many redirects for misspellings. When searching on the default Wikipedia skin, typing "Carillion" into the search bar shows both "Carillon" and "Carillion", with no context on the difference. Renaming this to "Carillion plc" will make it much more evident. Thrakkx (talk) 23:44, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Wage share → Labor share – The term "labor share" is common, and standard in the economics literature. The term (and concept) of wage share is rare. I ask for consensus before we start because it will require overwriting the present redirect at Labor share. econterms (talk) 20:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. Spekkios (talk) 22:05, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Jim Ellis (California political activist) → Jim Ellis (lobbyist) – The article has been moved a couple of times already – from Jim Ellis (politics) to Jim Ellis (political activist) in 2017 without explanation and then to Jim Ellis (California political activist) in 2019 saying "further disambiguation" – but the title has not really been discussed (at least not since 2006). My proposed title seems more simple and to the point. As far as I can tell, "activist" doesn't seem very accurate, and even if that's accurate, "California political activist" seems overly complicated. Note that in 2018 an IP with no other edit history made some substantial changes to the article that introduced what appear to be biased changes presenting the subject from a positive POV perspective (with "well-recognized skills in advising, strategizing for, and evaluating campaigns", "leading political consultant", "strong reputation for calling races correctly", "35-year veteran of politics at the state and national levels", removal of criminal convictions from the lead section, adding "corporate grass roots lobbying" and "clients gleaning key information and keen insight from his daily columns", etc.). Some of the puffery and spin was removed in 2019, but further review of the content prior to October 2018 might be desirable for determining what title is best. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:53, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 1948 Palestinian exodus → Nakba – (+ a merger of content from Nakba to here) -- I'm re-proposing this move mainly on the basis of WP:COMMONNAME, but also for reasons of recognizability, naturalness, concision and consistency. I also don't believe that, in the span of 7 days, this really got a fair and sufficiently in-depth hearing in the the previous, 25 March 2021 discussion above (though that talk is well worth reading in advance for context). First off, there is no doubt that 'Nakba' is an overwhelmingly dominant term relative to '1948 Palestinian exodus'. Ngrams shows it dwarfing the competition, as does Google Scholar, which shows 18,000 hits for Nakba relative to exactly 400 hits for "1948 Palestinian exodus" as an explicit term. One additional point that also appears to have been missed in the previous discussion is that a significant bulk of these "1948 Palestinian exodus" mentions also relate back to a single academic, one ‪Dr. Rafi Nets-Zehngut‬. Next, even if there was to be a suitably neutral, descriptive title that was better than Nakba, "1948 Palestinian exodus" would be a poor fit. In terms of neutrality, "Exodus" is both quite euphemistic (WP:EUPHEMISM) and semantically loaded. It leans towards the notion of a voluntary mass departure, when both involuntary departure and departure in the face of psychological terror or under the duress of not wanting to be caught up in conflict played significant roles (hence Palestinian 'refugees', not 'emigrants') ... and that's without even touching on the religious undertones. In terms of descriptiveness, you get more Google Scholar returns (29,000) for terminology such as '1948 Palestinian displacement -"exodus" ' than you do searching for '1948 Palestinian exodus -"displacement" ' (24,000 hits, again bloated by a lot of Dr. Nets-Zehngut‬ repeats), meaning that even based on descriptive merit alone, '1948 Palestinian exodus' is not exactly a winner. And then finally we have the points that Nakba is more recognizable, natural, concise and consistent with, say, pages such as Nakba Day. The main argument AGAINST "Nakba" appears to be from the perspective of precision, in that the term has an evolving set of meanings, including, but not limited to, the metaphorical destruction of Palestinian society. Given how intertwined Palestinian identity is with the land, however, the physical displacement and this sense of societal erasure are not really separate phenomena. And this (along with the material currently on the modest, extant Nakba page) is exactly what should be folded into the 'Results of the Palestinian exodus" section on the current page. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:04, 30 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 21:22, 6 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 18:43, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Punjabi-Canadian organized crime → Indo-Canadian organized crime – " Indo-Canadian organized crime" was the original name of this page and it is a more appropriate name for the page. A number of the citations make no reference to the Punjabi/Sikh links and some of those that directly refer to links to the Punjab talk of the "multi-ethnic" nature of the gangs. For example the citation with the title "Canada gang wars have a Punjab connection"[1] states that "gangs have members from all ethnic groups" and still uses the term "Indo-Canadian" template, and we should revert to that. I think that this would also help with ensuring a NPOV within the article.

References

  1. ^ "Canada gang wars have a Punjab connection". www.sunday-guardian.com. Retrieved 2022-04-04.
Gusfriend (talk) 06:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • C • L) 07:52, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – South African farm attacks → South African farm attacks conspiracy theory – Reliable sources frequently refer to the claim that white South African farmers are targeted and/or disproportionally murdered in South Africa as a conspiracy theory. The most notable thing about the farm attacks in South Africa claim is their frequent usage by white nationalists and relationship to the white genocide conspiracy theory. Information about crime can be added to Crime in South Africa. White farmers: how a far-right idea was planted in Donald Trump's mind - The Guardian The idea that there is a ‘genocide’ of white farmers in South Africa was once the province of conspiracy theorists but, thanks to News Corp’s media promotion, it has moved into the policy realm The conspiracy theory of “white genocide” has been a staple of the racist far right for decades. It has taken many forms, but all of them imagine that there is a plot to either replace, remove or simply liquidate white populations. Trump’s tweet echoing white nationalist propaganda about South African farmers, explained - Vox The conspiracy theory is based on the very real — and very controversial — issue of post-apartheid land reform in South Africa. But the white nationalists who propagate it have taken what is a genuinely thorny issue and magnified it beyond all objective fact, twisting it into what they see as a nightmare cautionary tale of “white genocide.” They're prepping for a race war. And they see Trump as their 'ray of hope' - CNN The biggest problem with AfriForum’s claims about possible ethnic cleansing and farm murders is that they are not true, says Gareth Newham of the Institute of Security Studies (ISS), a South African research group. "There is no evidence to support that. There is no evidence that a group of people are killing farmers for political purposes. There is no evidence that they are doing it because they are listening to political leaders. It is happening because of crime,” says Newham. Is a ‘Large-Scale Killing’ of White Farmers Underway in South Africa? - Snopes "The “large scale killings” phrase included in Trump’s tweet was an invocation of “white genocide,” a conspiracy theory popular among white supremacists who have for years been attempting to advance the baseless claim that white South African farmers are being systematically murdered en masse." Farm killings and conspiracy theories on South Africa - The New Zealand Herald President Donald Trump's promotion of a white nationalist conspiracy theory involving South Africa has prompted a fierce backlash there and fresh criticism in the United States that he is compromising American foreign policy to stoke his far-right political base. White nationalists in the US and South Africa, where a fringe group called Afriforum has advanced the conspiracy theory, hailed the President's remarks. David Duke, a former Ku Klux Klan leader, thanked Trump on Twitter and tweeted an image of a white woman holding a sign reading, "Stop white genocide". Mike Peinovich, a far-right podcast host, called Trump's endorsement "Very big" and said "this is how we slowly chip away at the all-consuming anti-white discourse". Desertambition (talk) 04:41, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 13, 2022

  • (Discuss) – Joshua M. Kindred → Joshua Kindred – There are no other "Joshua Kindred" articles on Wikipedia, and the subject's middle initial doesn't seem particularly commonly used. This is a pervasive issue in biographical articles, by the way.  White Whirlwind  21:47, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Ginan (star) → Epsilon Crucis – The name "Ginan" has not come into widespread use for this star. There are hits at web pages based on Wikipedia and some other popular sites, a few hits in books, mostly related to history and indigenous astronomy, almost none in scientific publications. The article was renamed from the title Epsilon Crucis in 2018. See also the previous group requested move on this page and Requested move 16 October 2021 for related discussions about the preferred titles for the main stars of Crux. Lithopsian (talk) 16:40, 6 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 20:30, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – SS (disambiguation) → SS – This is a follow-up to the discussion which recently occurred at Talk:Schutzstaffel#Requested move 28 March 2022. In that discussion, the idea that the disambiguation page should be moved due to the claim that "SS" no longer primary refers to Schutzstaffel was explored there, but no consensus was formed for either that page move or the proposed page move. In the previous discussion, there was evidence presented that readers looking up "SS" could reasonably/frequently be looking for other topics on the disambiguation page, such as the ship prefix "SS" (which can stand for "steamboat" or "steamship".) Also, a Google Ngrams search for "Schutzstaffel", "steamboat", "steam boat", "steamship", and "steam ship" shows that at present, "Schutzstaffel" seems dwarfed by "steamboat" and "steamship" in general. (Not sure if this illustrates how often these terms are referred to as "SS" individually, but seems as though recent books reference the naval vehicles over the organization.) For these reasons, I think it will be more help for our readers to arrive at the disambiguation page so they can figure out what subject they are attempting to locate. Steel1943 (talk) 19:03, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Mohammed ibn Gao → Muhammad ibn Qu – The spelling Muhammad ibn Qu reflects the spelling most commonly used in reliable sources. Niane (1959, in French) calls him Mamadou and his father Gao; Niane (1984) calls him Muḥammad and his father Kaw; Person (1981) calls him Muhammad and his father Qu; Levtzion (1963, 1980) call him Muḥammad and his father Qū; Levtzion and Hopkins (2000) call him Muḥammad b. Qū; Fauvelle (2018) calls him Muhammad; Gomez (2018) calls him Muḥammad b. Qū; and Canós-Donnay (2019) calls him Muhammad and his father Qu (note that "b." is just an abbreviated transliteration of بن, which the MOS says should be transliterated "ibn" on Wikipedia). The Arabic spelling of his father's name is evidently قو (both back-transliterated from Levtzion and Hopkins 2000 and taken from [4]), for which the strict transliteration is Qū or Qw, and of course his own name is simply the name Muhammad. "Mansa Muhammad" would also be a possible title. Ornithopsis (talk) 20:28, 4 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 03:07, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Miramshah → Miranshah – undiscused controversial move, its an headquarter of tribal district bordering Afghanistan it was formally controlled by the militants and it's correct name is Miranshah per sources see: [5] [6] [7] [8] 103.141.159.74 (talk) 01:23, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 12, 2022

  • (Discuss) – Darkstalkers 3 → Vampire Savior – Vampire Savior is the name of the original arcade release worldwide (yes, including Western countries). Darkstalkers 3 is the name for the PlayStation port in Western countries, which came a year later, and features different characters. The main topic of this page is the original arcade game, with its derivatives (Vampire Hunter 2, Vampire Savior 2, and Darkstalkers 3) discussed in the Release section. TarkusABtalk/contrib 16:02, 14 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 20:28, 21 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 23:57, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Hurricane Juan → Hurricane Juan (2003) – Given how Vongfong 2020 wasn’t the PTOPIC due to higher pageviews and retirement in spite of less impact, this is similar. Juan 1985 caused more deaths and damage and even though this has higher pageviews, that doesn’t determine PTOPIC. As such there is no primary topic. 108.58.9.194 (talk) 18:50, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – IWI Tavor → IWI Tavor TAR-21 – Name from lead and infobox. Someone shortened (original research) it to "IWI Tavor" for no reason because lead and infobox still has full name and there is no any explanation if "IWI Tavor" is actually any official shortened name or whatever. Eurohunter (talk) 07:19, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – March Madness (disambiguation) → March Madness – The NCAA's addition of the women's tournament and championship game to the March Madness brand obviates the current redirect to the men's event and makes this disambiguation title unnecessary and archaic. I'm suggesting that the NCAA's decision renders the men's event no longer the primary topic. I'm aware ghit searches won't reflect the need, but will certainly reflect the trend. The enormous increase in television coverage, especially for this year's Final Four weekend, makes it clear at least ESPN (ergo Disney) is betting on applying the brand more evenly across gender. I'm merely asking content-area contributors to make the same move the brand managers have already made, Wikipedia doing its part by bringing more equal coverage to the extent Wikipedia's consensus permits. To my mind, this isn't an "if" but more a "when." While I'm convinced, I'm interested in hearing discussion and even opposing views. BusterD (talk) 03:49, 4 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 05:49, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 11, 2022

  • (Discuss) – Sticker scam → Burglar signs – Per the discussion in the above section, this article could be usefully expanded to cover all forms of supposed secret messages left by burglars (such as chalk and zip ties), and what the police responses have been to the stories: locksmith stickers are only one example of these. Lord Belbury (talk) 12:32, 21 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Spekkios (talk) 22:55, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Torn (Ednaswap song) → Brændt – I'm actually quite torn on how to handle this myself. The original, first version of this song is called "Brændt". However, one could argue that "Torn" is a different song altogether because of its English lyrics, as seen in a similar recent discussion at ¿Quién será?. Based on the way I see it, we have four options: * Option 1: Move to "Brændt", since this is the original composition by Lis Sørensen * Option 2: Split the article into "Brændt" and "Torn (Ednaswap song)", because both are entirely different songs lyrically * Option 3: Do nothing; "Brændt" is not a commonly recognizable name, and we should use the more well-know English title for this page * Option 4: Do something else; another title or proposal would work better As I said, I am indecisive, so I'm not going to vote for an option right now. I'm curious to see what other people think about this. ResPM (T🔈🎵C) 22:52, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Jake Simmons Jr. → Jake Simmons – The current page for 'Jake Simmons' is a fictional character page, where the alter ego of said character is nicknamed "Jake Simmons". There exists a page for an actual person named "Jake Simmons", who is disambiguated now with a "Jr.". His sources differ between utilizing the 'Jr.' tag, as well as not. An external link to a book about this person shows the title does not use the 'Jr.'. This page should be the default "Jake Simmons" page. Debartolo2917 (talk) 08:41, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 10, 2022

  • (Discuss) – Challenger ATP de Salinas Diario Expreso → Challenger de Salinas – I did not find any source confirming or denying this challenger is indeed the same previous one held until 2014. However if we want to keep all the editions in one place, we need first to remove the sponsor name from the title of this article as per guidelines over the tournament's main article, then the title name has to be changed into "Challenger de Salinas" which is the official name in 2021 edition's pdf of main draw already in wiki. And of course make the change on the related links too. 79.42.106.116 (talk) 01:11, 3 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 21:52, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Kōichi Yamadera → Koichi Yamadera – According to WP:JTITLE, articles about Japanese people should use the romanization used officially by the person and their agency, unless another romanization clearly dominates in reputable English texts. "Koichi Yamadera" without a macron is used on his agency's site, JFDB and the English posters and press notes for films and series including Lupin III: The First, A Letter to Momo, Appleseed XIII, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex – Solid State Society, and Angel Heart, as well as on Netflix. I can see that a discussion about moving the article back to "Koichi Yamadera" was started before, 15 years ago, but the process was blocked by people who either didn't understand the rules or were willfully ignoring them because they disagreed with the rules. Disagreeing with the rules is a valid stance, but if you think the rules are wrong then you should try to get the rules changed, not block people who are just following what the rules currently are. All that does is reflect badly on oneself. Tempjrds (talk) 01:17, 3 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 21:52, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Gex (series) → Gex – Seems the game series is the clear primary topic by pageviews. While Duchy of Savoy also gets high views, that refers to "Pays de Gex", a region in the duchy that is already only a partial title match. Similarly "Colomby de Gex" refers to a peak of the Jura mountains, and that is also naturally disambiguated. There is nothing that is a direct match for "Gex" that could also be seen as primary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:09, 12 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 01:06, 20 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 04:57, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Rangefinding telemeter → Rangefinder – This article started out at Telemeter, but that created ambiguity with other uses of that term. The ambiguity was resolved by moving the article to the current title, but that does not satisfy WP:COMMONNAME. "Telemeter" and "rangefinder" both appear to be common names for this type of device, but "rangefinding telemeter" is not. The article should have been moved to Rangefinder. Srleffler (talk) 04:49, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April 9, 2022

  • (Discuss) – Anga Makubalo → NaakMusiQ – The singer-songwriter and actor (and boxer) is widely if not professionally known as NaakMusiQ as it is how he is addressed, it would be relevant if the page was move to NaakMusiQ and Anga Makubalo was listed under Full Name. Neo the Twin (talk) 07:59, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Battle of Chornobaivka → ? – I don't think we can qualify this as a battle. As I have understood it, what has happened at Chornobayivka are Ukrainian raids and attacks into the Russian-controlled aerodrome of the village, not direct clashes between Russians and Ukrainians. A new title is needed but I don't know which could be it. Super Ψ Dro 18:18, 1 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 07:11, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – IEEE 1394 → FireWire – Is the name Firewire not commonly used outside of Apple spheres? Is the numerical identifier that much more widespread in common use? —151.132.206.250 (talk) 18:53, 14 December 2021 (UTC) (move proposed 15:37, 24 March 2022 (UTC)) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 07:06, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Stephen Hahn (oncologist) → Stephen Hahn – He didn't make it to March, but that's because he made it to the end of Trump's term and Joe Biden became president on January 20, 2021. Even after leaving office, the physician has had more pageviews each day than the dab page and the art dealer combined. Even when you include the pageviews of the seven FDA comissioners before Hahn, the other Stephen Hahns are at the bottom of the list. Considering that Hahn was the Commissioner of the FDA during the early parts of the pandemic and was involved in the authorization of the Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J vaccines in the United States, I feel like he is the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, despite others thinking that this is just an example of WP:RECENTISM. I'm pretty sure the guy whose decisions affected the lives of the millions of people living in the United States of America is going to have more long term significance than a guy who owned art and opened a small gallery.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 03:19, 16 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 22:10, 23 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 07:01, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Christ Catholic Church (Pruter) → Christ Catholic Church –
    I feel the previous RM failed because I did not articulate my sources and arguments properly. Hence, a few months later, I am making a second attempt with an improved request.
    Christ Catholic Church (Pruter) and Christ Catholic Church of the Americas and Europe are two different denomination, with the only common point that what was to become the Christ Catholic Church (Pruter) was part during one (!) year of the Christ Catholic Church of the Americas and Europe before being granted its independence (see the examples below). And the Christ Catholic Church (Pruter) continues to exist to this day while the Christ Catholic Church of the Americas and Europe does not exist anymore.
    All sources use "Christ Catholic Church" to refer to the Christ Catholic Church (Pruter). And all sources differentiate between Christ Catholic Church (Pruter) and the Christ Catholic Church of the Americas and Europe, and do not treat them as simply a part of the history of another. E.g. the entries in the 2009 Melton's encyclopedia of American religions are separated (the entry for the Christ Catholic Church of the Americas and Europe is "Old Orthodox Catholic Patriarchate of America" on pp. 1162–3; the entry for the denomination associated with Pruter is "Christ Catholic Church" on p. 111). Both denominations have enough WP:Notability to deserve their own article. The name "Christ Catholic Church" is never used to refer to both denominations, only to the denomination associater with Pruter.
    The Christ Catholic Church of the Americas and Europe is never called "Christ Catholic Church".
    The expression "Christ Catholic Church" is always used to refer to Christ Catholic Church of Pruter (WP:V, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, WP:RS). For example: * Independent Bishops: An International Directory (1990, Apogee Books): **Preface:  :::"Karl Pruter, founder and bishop of Christ Catholic Church." (p. v)  :*entry "Pruter, [Karl] Hugo Rehling - Christ Catholic Church":  :::"Peter A. Zhurawetsky of the Old Orthodox Catholic Patriarchate of America" (p. 330)  :*entry "Zhurawetsky, Peter Andreas - Orthodox Catholic Patriarchate of America":  :::"[Zhurawetsky] soon changed th name of the church to Christ Catholic Church of the Americas and Europe. [...] The church has also been known as Christ Orthodox Catholic Patriarchate, Byelorussian National Catholic Church, and most recently as the Orthodox Catholic Patriarchate of America. He maintains a chapel called Church of the Visitation at Vineland, New Jersey. The most substantive work to emerge from Zhurawetsky's activity has been Christ Catholic Church which began as the Diocese of Boston under his jurisdiction. It is led by Karl Pruter whom Zhurawetsky consecrated in 1967." (pp. 445-6) *The 2009 Melton's encyclopedia of American religions (you can check for yourself at the Internet Archive) **entry "Old Orthodox Catholic Patriarchate of America":  :::"among his first acts, Zhurawetsky changed the name of the Church to Christ Catholic Church of the Americas and Europe" (p. 1162)  :::"Pruter, who consented to the consecration only on the condition that they be se aside as an independent jurisdiction to be called Christ Catholic Church, Diocese of Boston, now known simply as Christ Catholic Church." (pp. 1162 (end) and 1163 (beginning))  :*entry "Christ Catholic Church":  :::"Christ Catholic Church was founded in 1965 by Rev. Karl Pruter (1920-2007)" (p. 111), see also the name of the entry and the rest of the entry's content Therefore, as per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, Christ Catholic Church should be the name used to designate the denomination associated with Pruter. Veverve (talk) 06:36, 1 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 05:28, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Shillelagh (club) → Shillelagh – The walking-stick/weapon appears to be a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this term. Per the pageviews, it dominates in reader interest over the (very) small village and the barony. The MGM-51 guided missile attracts some readers, but not so many (page views included here), and it seems unlikely to be sought primarily as "Shillelagh", and its name is presumably derived from that of the other weapon. The "club" disambiguator is also a bit awkward – e.g., it could be interpreted as describing a social club. The stick/weapon also has obvious long-term notability, so its popularity among readers is not a matter of recentism. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Orlické hory → Orlické Mountains – Orlické is the most common name in English, but it is a common convention to translate the georelief type, and therefore the current name is inconsistent with other names in Central Europe. See Category:Mountain ranges of Poland, Category:Mountain ranges of Slovakia, Category:Mountain ranges of the Czech Republic. FromCzech (talk) 07:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Eastern Ukraine offensive → Southeastern Ukraine offensive – While this article covers only the military operations in the Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts in southeastern Ukraine, this article is titled "Eastern Ukraine offensive." This can confuse our readers into thinking that the article covers offensive operations in both the northeastern and southeastern Ukraine regions, when this is clearly not the case. This article used to cover military operations in both northeastern and southeastern Ukraine. However, ever since content in this article pertaining to northeastern Ukraine was split off into Northeastern Ukraine offensive, the title for this article has not been updated accordingly to reflect the changes. Since we already have an article titled Northeastern Ukraine offensive, I propose moving this article to Southeastern Ukraine offensive, per WP:PRECISE. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 02:50, 18 March 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. Spekkios (talk) 04:02, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Use of force by states → Aggression in international law – The current title is really misleading. Yes, the UN charter refers to the use of force, but "use of force by states" could also refer to many domestic state actions, such as for example arrests, deportation, police brutality, etc. A synonym for use of force in international law is act of aggression or armed attack (see Sayapin, Sergey (2014). "Elements of an Act of Aggression: An Overview of Modern International Law and Practice". The Crime of Aggression in International Criminal Law: Historical Development, Comparative Analysis and Present State. T.M.C. Asser Press. ISBN 978-90-6704-927-6.), either of which would make it clearer what the article is about. (t · c) buidhe 17:43, 10 March 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. Spekkios (talk) 03:58, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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M at MinuteMedia (talk) 18:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. Spekkios (talk) 19:22, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 2022 Chernihiv bombing → 2022 Chernihiv bombing on civilians – I think this article needs a new title. There is a whole battle going on in Chernihiv. It's clear that the city has been bombed a lot. But this article seems to exclusively refer to the 3 March bombing that killed 47 people. However, the title does not exactly reflect that. It is titled as if it covered every single bombing that happened on the city in 2022, when such is not the case. We can take example of other articles with unorthodox titles such as NATO bombing of Albanian refugees near Gjakova and propose a new one. "2022 Chernihiv bombing on civilians" is not perfect as probably more civilians have died in the city as a result of bombings but I think it'd get us closer to a satisfactory option. Adding "3 March" into the title is probably not preferred so other options could be "2022 Chernihiv residential area bombing" or "2022 bombing of a residential area in Chernihiv", and "2022 Vacheslava Chornovola and Kruhova streets bombing" (probably a bad option). We could also follow French Wikipedia's steps and title it as a massacre. Although there was another murder of civilians in Chernihiv yesterday so maybe we shouldn't chose this option. Super Ψ Dro 14:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. ---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk|contribs) 20:25, 30 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. NW1223 <Howl at me•My hunts> 02:36, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Steve New → Stella Nova – This move would reflect the subject's most recent name and gender identity. Though she is likely best known by the name "Steve New", this change would be in line with MOS:GENDERID, which encourages the use of language that reflect[s] the person's latest expressed gender self-identification as reported in the most recent reliable sources, even if it does not match what is most common in sources. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 19:43, 30 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 20:41, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Gautama Buddha → Siddhartha Gautama – This article is a biography, and as such, it should be named after the proper name of its subject, without religious titles, like as for pages such as Muhammad (not "Prophet Muhammad"), Jesus (not "Jesus Christ") and Paul the Apostle (not "St. Paul"). The Buddha's name is Siddhartha Gautama, and this article is the biography of Siddhartha Gautama, the man. "The Buddha" is arguably also a name or a nickname for the man, but this has been rejected as a title in previous move requests over the alleged confusion this would create regarding Buddahood in general. (This seems like a spurious argument but it is what it is.) "Gautama Buddha", however, is neither a proper name, nor a nickname. It is a hodgepodge of the Buddha's surname and the title "Buddha", making it a hypocritical article name with regards to Wikipedia policies and guidelines that have seen the terms prophet, christ and saint titles removed from other religious biographies. And this is the critical point, because whereas "Siddhartha Gautama" is a proper name with no apparent problems, "Gautama Buddha" is a sort of name-title hybrid that directly conflicts with the standard practice for religious biographies in other faiths, and I see no reason why the rules applied to the Abrahamic faiths should not be applied equally to Eastern religions. In a pure toss-up between the names, there is little between "Siddhartha Gautama" and "Gautama Buddha" in Ngrams (- though again, incidentally, "The Buddha" leads). This is also after Wikipedia has been pushing out the name Gautama Buddha for two decades, so the results may also include Wikipedia-mirroring resources. I am unclear if any of the sources of the article use this name. It certainly appears in none of the notes or source titles. What little currency the name-title "Gautama Buddha" does seem to gain within certain circles seems to mainly be as a respectful title for the Buddha, particularly among Buddhists and deferential scholars of Far Eastern religion, just as Muslims or similarly deferential scholars might refer to "The Prophet Muhammad". It is not neutral, however, for Wikipedia to refer to a religious figure either with titles, in the preferred way of their followers, or with undue respect. As with other religious figures, we should use the matter of fact proper name "Siddhartha Gautama" here too. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:38, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Michael Johnson (Alaska politician) → Michael Johnson (educator) – WP:ATDAB suggests that parenthetical disambiguators be kept as short and sweet as possible. The "Alaska politician" disambiguator is overused and even outright abused in some cases. The position Johnson holds is not a political position per se. Among Alaska's gubernatorial cabinet members, most heads of principal executive branch departments are strictly gubernatorial appointees and can therefore be considered political positions by nature. The exceptions are the heads of the Alaska Department of Education & Early Development and the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, who are both required to have a masters degree and professional experience in that field, and who are appointed by boards rather than the governor. This move would make things as unambiguous as possible, especially since notability is not temporary and it's not guaranteed that Johnson will be in this or a similar position X number of years down the road. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 03:14, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Romualdas Giedraitis → Romuald Giedroyć – Second attempt to move the article under the correct name. Here we are dealing with a Polish-Lithuanian general, from a Polish-speaking family, who used the name "Romuald Giedroyć" all his life. What we can find out by looking at his grave. Despite his rather prominent role in local history, he did not gain such prominence as to be frequently mentioned by authors writing in English about the Napoleonic Wars etc. Nevertheless, I managed to find 5 such mentions. I have not found any use of the lithuanised form of his name in English texts. So there is no basis for such a form to be used. Marcelus (talk) 21:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 3D Toronto sign → Toronto Sign – "3D Toronto Sign" no longer appears to be the official name of the sign per the city (see talk page). Also even if it is, "Toronto Sign" is WP:COMMONNAME as acknowledged within the the first sentence of the article itself, official names aren't preferred. CASalt (talk) 20:58, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Psychological impact of climate change → Effects of climate change on mental health – change the title to ‘mental health’ which encompasses ‘psychological’ aspects but is a bit broader. This is also what is typically used across the field and by WHO. The other advantage would be that it would fall into the group of "effects of climate change on..." for which we have a few articles by now. I can't move it myself because the article "Effects of climate change on mental health" (currently a redirect) needs to be deleted first EMsmile (talk) 23:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Gao (mansa) → Mansa Qu – Either Mansa Qu, reflecting how he is commonly referred, or Qu of Mali, reflecting WP:NCROY would be acceptable; I'm still not really sure which style should be preferred for Malian rulers. The name of this person, in Arabic, is قو (based on both back-transliterating from Levtzion and Hopkins (2000) and this source [28]). The strict transliteration of this name would be Qū or Qw. He is called Gao by Niane (1959, in French), Kaw by Niane (1984), Qu by Person (1981) and Canós-Donnay (2019), and Qū by Levtzion (1963, 1980), Levtzion and Hopkins (2000), and Gomez (2018). The name Qū is apparently identified with a name in oral tradition given as Ko by Person (1981) and Niane (1984). Incidentally, there seems to be some confusion involving the Qu and Muhammad ibn Qu mentioned by Ibn Khaldun and the Ko Mamadi/Kon Mamadi of oral tradition that I don't really understand yet. Ornithopsis (talk) 20:50, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Forza (series) → Forza – I am once again asking for the video game series to become the primary topic. It has only gotten more and more prominent and popular over time with the Forza Horizon games being some of the most prevalent racing games out there. There are also no other articles solely called "Forza" to disambiguate from, with the vehicles all being under alternate names. The primary topic for this term is crystal-clear. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:01, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Red River Rebellion → Red River Resistance – I've completed a Google Scholar search results analysis for both "Red River Resistance" and "Red River Rebellion". "Red River Resistance" comes up 288 times in the last 10 years (2013-2022). Of those results I eliminated 11 as citations of older work or online postings of older books and documents. "Red River Rebellion" comes up 333 times in that same time range; I applied the same standard and eliminated 99 older citations and online postings of older books and documents. I can share this data with anyone interested. The final tally of common usage based on Google Scholar results in the last 10 years are: "Red River Resistance" - 277 "Red River Rebellion" - 234 Based on the analysis I've outlined and the fact that today the Government of Canada refers to the events as the Red River Resistance, as does the Province of Manitoba and The Canadian Encyclopedia, I propose to move the title to "Red River Resistance", with "Red River Rebellion" as an alternate title and redirect page. LaMétis (talk) 22:40, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Battle of Chernobyl → ? – Now the dust has settled somewhat since the earlier discussion, I feel it is time to revisit the issue as previously the consensus seemed to be to just wait it out and see what happened next. The Russian forces have withdrawn, so now seems a good time to revisit. It is pretty clear to me that the article is currently at the wrong title - you cannot have a military battle where no shots are fired. Previously, Chernobyl in the Russo-Ukrainian War was proposed, but I'm not sure if that's the best solution we can come up with, so I will leave discussion about a new title to be decided below. Buttons0603 (talk) 15:33, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Jomboy (sports media personality) → Jomboy – Two and a half years after Jimmy "Jomboy" O'Brien became a well-known persona in sports media with his video on the Houston Astros sign stealing scandal, I think it's safe to say that he has become the primary topic for the word "Jomboy" in English, as borne out by Google and Google News searches. The city in Uzbekistan has a population of 11,000, and even the Uzbek Wikipedia only has a few paragraphs' worth of content on it. Only 82 people visited the city article in February, and of those 82 at least 36 clicked through to Jomboy O'Brien. You can see here the massive surge of views the city article got during the Astros scandal, and how it never died back down. There were only a few months prior to the Astros video that the city got more pageviews than it's gotten the past few months, and even then, Jomboy O'Brien was still a well-known baseball personality at that time. If you go back before June of 2018, the city consistently got 50-75 views per month, keeping in mind that at most 46 people visiting the article this past month were actually looking for it (probably considerably less considering some people just don't click navigation links). If there isn't consensus for this, I would suggest still moving the city article and making Jomboy a DAB, and also perhaps giving O'Brien a more concise title... either Jomboy (entertainer) or Jimmy "Jomboy" O'Brien. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 13:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Prayer bump → Zabiba – (AND rename the current Zabiba page "Zabiba (disambiguation)" for the purpose of disambiguation redirects) - the reason being that "prayer bump" is not clearly the common name for this subject, by a long shot.In fact, "prayer bump" is not used in a single one of the sources actually referenced by the article. Though we're not talking very decisive numbers, Google scholar also produces 104 hits for zabiba or its alternative spellings to just 39 hits for prayer bump (in many cases as a bracketed explanation after the term zabiba/zebiba/zebibah is used). In terms of the choice of spelling, while it's a bit of a toss up between the different spellings, zabiba is the most straightforward Arabic transliteration, so makes sense to use by default. Ngram, while it might snare some other uses of the term (such as sources using Zabiba as an alternative spelling of the historic queen Zabibe), also presses this spelling and all but kicks the other two into the long grass. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:20, 19 March 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. Jerm (talk) 01:57, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Independent legal reasoning in Islamic law → Ijtihad – Ijtihad absolutely dwarves the use of the convoluted term "Independent legal reasoning" in English-language scholarly literature about the subject. "Indendent legal reasoning" + "Islam" gets about 700 Google Scholar hits; ijtihad gets 41,000. Almost all the terms in Islam on the periphery of ijtihad are already named in naturalised phonetic English, such as taqlid, jihad, etc. Ijtihad is a big enough concept in Islam to be treated in the same manner, just as it is in scholarly sources. Even independent of this, there would be a case for the change based on pure consistency, as ijitihad also blows away terms like taqlid in terms of usage. See taqlid on Google Scholar (just over a third the ijtihad tally) and Ngram. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:02, 18 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:10, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Mýa → Mya (singer) – "Mýa" with an added acute accent is a stylized presentation of her stage name, along the lines of KoЯn, SAni†Y, Spın̈al Tap or BORДT, whose Wikipedia articles are titled Korn, Sanity, Spinal Tap and Borat respectively. I'm strongly supportive of Wikipedia getting the diacritics right where they are part of a word or name, but in this case, the ý (used in a few languages, but not any connected to Mya) is not a part of the spelling, any more than the Cyrillic letter Я is part of the spelling of Korn, the letter Д part of the spelling of Borat, or the † symbol part of the spelling of Sanity. Furthermore, her own website gives her name as "Mya Marie Harrison" without the ý, mostly reserving use of that letter to logos and graphic design, again forms of stylised text where other conventions are adopted such as all caps, which do not determine the spelling of article titles. The news page on her website calls her "Mya" without the ý when using her stage mononym in text copy. We should note the version with the acute accent in the opening sentence, as we do for the other examples I've given, and then correct the spelling of her name throughout to "Mya". Beorhtwulf (talk) 12:26, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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