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Johnceodoe007 (talk) 20:59, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Johnceodoe007 Oh no, I haven't! Nick Moyes (talk) 23:13, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A cookie for you![edit]

Choco chip cookie.png As promised! Thanks for the info! Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) 22:39, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A cookie for you![edit]

Choco chip cookie.png Another cookie. You're so helpful! Thanks! ♥ ♥Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk)♥ 03:51, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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19:53, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Removal of false, libelous, and retracted reference[edit]

After becoming more familiar with Wikipedia policies I understand the reasons for your concerns and undoing my edits. I certainly had no intention of creating an edit war. The intention is to remove defamatory content which was discredited and the false claims acknowledged and reversed in writing by the perpetrator. The newspaper article containing the false and defamatory content was linked to multiple Wikipedia subjects. I will gladly locate and provide the substantiating references and documentation to support the need for my edits on the pages of the affected subjects. The statement - which follows - by @ToBeFree on another Adakiko section is directly relevant here: "In most cases, when someone explicitly complains about "defamatory content", that's a good point to stop reverting and to thoroughly analyze the situation. Even if you are completely convinced that the material a) qualifies for inclusion in the article (WP:UNDUE may be a concern), and b) is completely perfectly verifiable: Even then, we should wonder whether it's really worth insisting on keeping the material." Thank you for your attention to this matter CineMG (talk) 02:55, 19 January 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CineMG (talk • contribs)

@CineMG: I see nothing libellous in that source that would affect Wikipedia reporting the news article. Even if the claim were proven false, the fact that such a claim was made could, in itself, be relevant to the topic. We might simply deem it relevant to then state that the claim was subsequently shown to be false. The issue for us editors would then be to decide if the whole story is relevant to our encyclopaedia.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to cite evidence that person x's claim was subsequently proven incorrect. Even so, claims of libel action can still be reported here (with due care over wording) where those claims, counter-claims, law suits and punishments are relevant to the subject of the article.
What we don't do is censor content because you don't happen to like seeing it, or are kicking up a fuss with nothing to back up your disruptive actions. You need to work with us, not against us, if your desire is to see balance and factual accuracy. BTW: If you have a Conflct of Interest in this matter, you need to declare it on your userpage. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:28, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

sandbox5[edit]

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Hi, Nick Moyes. I found 5 pages obviously created in error. They're derived from your wrong use [10] of ClueBot III. So I restored 4 threads [11] and tagged error pages for speedy deletion. But User:Amortias obstructed the progress. Sawol (talk) 18:30, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Sawol. I saw you’d csd-ed them, and was grateful. I’ll delete them when I’m back on a PC. I had seen my archives had all got badly messed up quite some while ago, presumably through my own incompetence. I’ve had other priorities, so never got to fix them. If you care to advise on resolving the mess, I’d welcome it! Cheers Nick Moyes (talk) 21:26, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Joseph Vallot[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Joseph Vallot at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! David Eppstein (talk) 22:43, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@David Eppstein Thanks. I’d forgotten I still needed to add that citation. Will address it when I get home at the weekend. Cheers. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Una birra per te![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png I appreciate your efforts for Wikipedian sustainability GiovanniPen (talk) 22:13, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Second Adminship Anniversary[edit]

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Wishing Nick Moyes a very Moyes happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Chris Troutman (talk) 00:23, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Chris troutman Oooh! I didn't know that was a 'thing'. Thank you kindly. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:13, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia Administrator.svg Wishing Nick Moyes a very Moyes happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 03:14, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Adminship Anniversary![edit]

Wikipedia Administrator.svg Wishing Nick Moyes a very Moyes happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Bobherry Talk Edits 04:52, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ERB[edit]

Hi Nick, just wanted to thank you for creating WP:ERB. As an AfC reviewer, I send new editors to your guide frequently as I think it is easier to understand and certainly more approachable than the other guides. There is a actual human walking a person through the process and a very friendly one at that!. S0091 (talk) 21:33, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@S0091 That’s very kind of you to say that. I did wonder whether the page with its amateurish video was irrelevant, now that Sdkb, Moxy and others had invested a lot of time in improving WP:REFBEGIN. But glad to know it still has its uses. BTW: I’ve been forcing myself to use WP:VE recently and have only just discovered how wonderfully easy it is to modify and add new fields to an existing inline citation- something Source Editor can’t do. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:28, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Adminship Anniversary![edit]

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Wishing Nick Moyes a very Moyes happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Birthday Committee! Best wishes! CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 22:06, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Belated anniversary[edit]

New Category[edit]

Hi again. I am thinking of creating a category titled as Category:Alumni of Zurich University, and thought of asking you first, since the last time I created a category in a haste, I got into a lot of trouble. Many notable alumni should be in that category. So, please suggest me the right thing. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 09:14, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your question surprised me as I felt such a category ought to exist already. Sure enough, it does, albeit worded slightly differently. It’s really important to check thoroughly before making a new category. I’m not going to tell you the right answer as it’s a better learning experience to discover some things for yourself. But please pop back and tell me if you’re successful, or if you need further help to find the answer. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:56, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha, finally got it. The category is Category:University of Zurich alumni. But how did you know that such a category already exists. Though I know that you are really experienced, and know a lot, but still, how can one know everything and every category that is there? Please clarify this doubt of mine. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 11:36, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Itcouldbepossible OK - it's actually quite simple. Categories are part of a hierarchy - like roots of a tree spreading down into the ground, getting smaller and smaller as they go, splitting into finer categories. So you feel you need a new sub-category? Then go to a related article - or one higher up - and see what categories are used there. They're shown at the bottom of the page.
Thus University of Zurich is in Category:University of Zurich. Visit that category and see what sub-categories are already there.
That reveals Category:People associated with the University of Zurich - ah- looking hopeful now!
The sub-category list at that page shows Category:University of Zurich alumni already there, so now you can pop it in.
Another way is sometimes to go to the page of an alumnus you know about and look at what has been placed there. But that is not always reliable. Hope this helps Nick Moyes (talk) 12:00, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks but I have some more things to ask you. First of all, am I allowed to contribute to other language wikipedias, along side the English Wikipedia? Is that allowed? I don't know how they know me, but administrators of the Bengali wikipedia, are begging me to contribute there. So, should I say "yes"? ItcouldbepossibleTalk 06:33, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have also created a bot password, but cannot use it, can you tell me how to use it? ItcouldbepossibleTalk 05:48, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t know what you mean. You have an authorised bot? I have no experience of that I’m afraid. Sorry I cannot advise you. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:12, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, actually I have created a bot password from Special:BotPasswords. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 09:16, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've not seen that page before. However, I recognise my quite old password used when I had access to WP:AWB, which I've not needed to run for a few years. Have you requested access to such a tool? if so, that might be why you're seeing something there. But if you haven't, then simply ignore it. I would! If you're still unsure, I'd suggest asking at WP:HD. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:52, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok thanks. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 12:35, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Administrator Barnstar[edit]

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I hereby award thee the Administrator Barnstar. You are truly one of the best and nicest administrators I've come across. You are definitely a great Teahouse host too. Thank you for all your contributions and help to make Wikipedia better! We need more Wikipedians like you. Keep up the good work! ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 01:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Kaleeb18 Thank you most kindly. Like everyone, I do have my grumpy moments, but I try to keep them to a minimum and help as many people as I can. It's appreciated. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:12, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I dont doubt you have some grumpy moments like all of use of course, but you do a good job at keeping it to a minimum. You totally deserve this barnstar. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 01:38, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Declined AIV report[edit]

You were right to decline this, but it wasn't so much an insufficient warning as a stale one ... the last warning of any level was a week old. You can use "ow" in the AIV template followed by another pipe and the time to indicate this ... it would have saved you some time typing what you typed. Daniel Case (talk) 20:39, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Daniel Case Thanks. I tend to try to communicate with the reporter to explain why their report was declined so they don't repeat the mistake and waste everyone's time. I think I focussed more on the low level caution than on its staleness (which I'd not spotted). I guess either/both are valid reasons to decline. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:42, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Both are, IMO. But sometimes when I see a user recently reported with a first- or second-level who's already had several final warnings amid many warnings over a long period, I think it's time to block. They knew what they were doing and kept right on doing it. Daniel Case (talk) 20:45, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

UrMom1000[edit]

Hi, UrMom1000 has edited. However, this user has not changed his username yet, and users may shortly bring attention to it. What actions need to be taken? Severestorm28 00:10, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not a problem. I've repeated my request. This is borderline offensive, yet a name change is for their own good. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:17, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Joseph Vallot[edit]

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On 28 January 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Joseph Vallot, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 1887, after spending three nights on the summit of Mont Blanc, scientist Joseph Vallot and his party were greeted with flowers by the mayor and all the inhabitants of Chamonix? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Joseph Vallot. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Joseph Vallot), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Two minds ...[edit]

.. with but a single thought. Sorry about that – didn't mean to step on your toes (well, on your heels really, as you got there first). Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:27, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Justlettersandnumbers No worries. I've done that too. Just a passing question: what would have been involved for that account to have been "created automatically". It had clearly edited, so what does that actually mean in practice? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:41, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't know for sure. I've always assumed that it meant that the user had actually created his/her account on some other project. This account shows as automatically created on Commons too, so my guess is that it has deleted contribs somewhere else too. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:51, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just glanced at Help:Unified login, seems roughly to confirm the above, but not the details. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:55, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You[edit]

I want to Remove Brawl Stars#Season. Thank you! 💻HACKER (talk) 04:28, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Be bold - just do it. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:07, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A Barnstar for you![edit]

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For helping other newcomers at the teahouse, as well as me. You totally deserve this barnstar! TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 00:56, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

February with Women in Red[edit]

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You've got mail![edit]

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Please forgive me if I have said something wrong in the email. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 08:55, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Don’t worry. I’ll check my email later - I don’t have it on my phone right now. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Itcouldbepossible I've seen your message - there's nothing to be concerned about. I would prefer to reply to you here, mentioning no specifics, or do a TPS reply elsewhere. Is either OK? Nick Moyes (talk) 11:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, what is TPS? ItcouldbepossibleTalk 11:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WP:TPS Nick Moyes (talk) 11:12, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Would you mail me, if you won't mind. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 11:14, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Because I am a little scared about this matter. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 11:14, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There's no issue to worry about. You're doing fine. I don't really wish to use my email address. So it'll take me some time to fire up my false account later today - it will not appear as my name. I'm unlikely to send multiple messages -just one reassuring one. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:32, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok now problem, but just let me know if you do something. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 11:43, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Itcouldbepossible I have now replied to you off-wiki, but have closed my email down. I am unlikely to respond to any follow-up email by the same route unless it is critically important. Stick to on-wiki unless essential, please. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your email. I understand now. But did you close that account? ItcouldbepossibleTalk 09:06, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No - just logged out of it. But please use the email tool here to reach out in an emergency should that need ever arise again. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:15, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

hi ya[edit]

thanks for asking good questions here. I appreciate your volunteer efforts! I clarified my question, can you help me please?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#make_a_template_stop_collapsing

Have a great day. Quiet2 (talk) 21:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Nick Moyes (talk) 11:18, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Question from NM Demo 2 (10:41, 5 February 2022)[edit]

Hello. I'm just testing to see if you get my help message, sent from the new Mentor 'Ask a Question' box in my Homepage. --NM Demo 2 (talk) 10:41, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@NM Demo 2 Yeah, I got it mate. I charge £5 to answer a quick question, and £30 to spend the rest of my life holding your hand. You choose. Face-smile.svg Nick Moyes (talk) 10:43, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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What’s with that?[edit]

I’ve been off wiki for a while due to real life work, upon my return I note the "Growth Team Features”, I haven’t had the time to go through it, but in summary just what is it? Objectively speaking in your opinion Is it any good? Or can you just break it down for me as to what it really is about ? Celestina007 (talk) 23:33, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Celestina007. In summary, yes, "Growth Team Features” is a great new idea.
It's all about offering a new, structured way to encourage and retain new users. When activated, they get to see an extra tab called 'Homepage' This contains three elements 1) they are given a feed of suggestions for small editing ideas to perform, and with different levels of difficulty that they can select from. If you choose to edit one of the suggested article, they are guided with some on-screen prompts. 2) They have the ability to ask questions of an experienced 'mentor' who gets automatically assigned to them. In turn, the mentor is allocated a new button called 'Mentor Dashboard' where they can see who has been assigned to them. Obviously only a tiny proportion of new users will ever get around to seeking help - but they know a real person is actually willing to help them, if necessary. 3) A Help panel - with links to other help and support.
I can see it becoming a way for those who enjoy helping others to make themselves available to answer basic questions - just like you already at the Teahouse, but in a more one-to-one manner. I believe it would suit you perfectly, so if you wanted to give it a try, you can add your name to the mentor list here: Wikipedia:Growth Team features/Mentor list
I hope this is just enough for you to explore it further.
PS If you haven't already been contacted, you might get a shout from the Signpost Editor about your Teahouse work. Hope you don't mind me suggesting you as an ideal person to speak to. Best wishes. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:08, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you say it’s a good development then I trust you and would enroll. Of course I don’t mind, teaching at the Teahouse gives me joy. Celestina007 (talk) 00:13, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Enrolled, thanks for explaining the development to me Nick. Celestina007 (talk) 00:32, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Corporate account[edit]

Gooday Nick - I hope all is well with you. Could you please take a look at User talk:Ntucadbe#Conflict of interest editing which has evidence of being used multiply over the years. Most recent has advised of being an employee in marketing at Notingham Trent University, and inexperienced in editing WP. I didn't know how to proceed politely, as there is a draconian list of do's and dont's preceding any listing at WP:UAA, and COIN has little regular admin activity from my brief experience there. Thanks, Steve.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 16:46, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question from NM Demo 2 (15:08, 12 February 2022)[edit]

Hello again. I've heard about a thing called the Teahouse. What is it? --NM Demo 2 (talk) 15:08, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't know by now mate, there's no helping you! Face-smile.svg Nick Moyes (talk) 01:36, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Talking to yourself again? :) S0091 (talk) 01:39, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yep! No other friends. Shall be sending myself a Valentines Day Card tomorrow too! Nick Moyes (talk) 02:25, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry, I'm single too. Panini!🥪 15:03, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As am I! Panini 2!🥪🥪 15:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Hm[edit]

IIRC (I may not recall correctly) you spent some time at the Teahouse last year discussing with an editor who wanted to add their own portrait of a person as leadimage in a BLP. So I thought you might find this [13] interesting. We'll see what comes of it, I guess. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:52, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Oh dear. I think if I get drawn into another unexpected issue on Wikipedia I'm going to have a heart attack. It sounds like a great and laudable project for WMF to inspire the creation of artworks of notable people, but then putting them into articles and Infoboxes, rather than using the original photographs under a 'fair use' rationale for a deceased person doesn't sit squarely with me. It's simply not as 'encyclopaedic' as the original photograph, but there are other reasons, too.
I started to throw a few thoughts down on the issue (see here), though am undecided whether I want to run with it for all the inevitable accusations I'm bound to receive as a white middle class male cis editor who's bound to be bringing their biases against specific groups. That wouldn't, I believe, be true at all, but from a strictly policy-driven perspective, I'm not happy to see this happening, especially if it's being encouraged by WMF and starts to encourage imagery of the type you remember seeing at the Teahouse discussion. (I've put some links to those in my draft) Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:34, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nick, I do not want you to have a heart attack so I recommend a cuppa hot soothing tea instead, with either cream or lemon but not both. I need to get to sleep here in California, so I will ask for input from you and Gråbergs Gråa Sång about User:Cullen328/sandbox/Unseen, which is certainly much unfinished. Feedback welcomed though not the amplifier kind. Cullen328 (talk) 08:37, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
From a novel I read: ""Oh dear", Sam said, or words to that effect. ... "Oh dear", Sam said again, rather more pungently this time." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:23, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, WMF comment:[14] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:47, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Possible paper found of "unidentified ancient jellyfish"[edit]

I have possibly found the paper you were referring to when using Google scholar (a suggestion that a person made as a reply on the question). I've also possibly Identified the actual name of the ancient cnidarian , the name being Octomedusa pieckorum As stated in https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0001121 And the paper itself, the paper being https://ia800200.us.archive.org/31/items/pennsylvanianinv127john/pennsylvanianinv127john.pdf. The paper itself includes 3 pages about the before mentioned Octomedusa pieckorum. Please let me know if this paper is the actual paper you were mentioning. With lots and lots and lots of thanks from Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2022 (UTC)User:Rugoconites_Tenuirugosus[reply]

Yay! You found it. Yes, the PLOS article online was indeed what I was referring to. It really wasn't that hard to find - it took me about two minutes and suggests you still have a lot of experience to gain on searching for good sources. We all have to learn somehow, but the skill is in knowing your limitations and not proceeding with inadequate information, or wrong understanding of quite esoteric subject areas.
But, no, my skim read of that article is that the fossil cnidarian being illustrated by Lieberman in his paper was only superficially like Octomedusa - not that it was that taxon. So please don't start drawing conclusions from it. Steer clear and avoid causing confusion even if you think you're helping. The paper describing Octomedusa as a nov.sp. could be useful for creating an article, but I would also want to look for more modern research papers and be confident of my taxonomy before diving in.
I might suggest that in future you Draft your articles and either submit them to WP:AFC or ping me and let me look through them for you. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:21, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do understand that the Octomedusa fossil and the "unidentified jellyfish" illustrated by Lieberman aren't the same (considering how different their fossils look and look nothing alike). But, does that mean that the Unidentified jellyfish isn't actually octomedusa? because if it is, it means that I must go searching again for an hour on google to identify the jellyfish. I do also understand it isn't the same taxa for the same reasons , but , I got the name Octomedusa from one of the articles from the Teahouse which showed other unidentified cambrian jellyfish.Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2022 (UTC)User:Rugoconites_Tenuirugosus[reply]

@Rugoconites Tenuirugosus No, it's not your job to try to identify fossils. That would be Original Research and strictly not permitted. And if the palaeontologists haven't done it with confidence, then you certainly cannot! I genuinely suggest you find something less technically challenging to investigate that matches your language skills and your understanding of scientific nomenclature and taxonomy. You speak of hours: I don't know how many hours of my own time I've had to spend on trying to sort out your edits and errors recently. If it means you slow down and exhibit some greater competence and critical skills, then that will have been my time really well spent. But I worry your over-eagerness is helping no-one.
Finally, may I remind you again to read and understand WP:INDENT, because I'd really like you to start your replies with one extra colon each time (that's a : character) so that the page indents correctly by one further amount each time. It's less important here, but a nightmare if you're participating in a place like the Teahouse with multiple editors responding to different elements of a discussion. Many thanks Nick Moyes (talk) 10:37, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thoughts?[edit]

I’m not particularly sure how to go about this but the list of my potential mentees keeps expanding exponentially, is there a way I can just select the few I intend to mentor? Is that even possible? In retrospect I now perfectly understand what Usedtobecool meant when he said he barely has time to work in areas he has perms to function in let alone RFA. I’m literally inundated with both backend and frontend work that it’s beginning to tire me. Forgive the digression but is there a manner in which I can just select who I want to mentor? Celestina007 (talk) 15:34, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there @Celestina007 First off, are you actually getting any questions from them? Because I'm viewing it as a passive role, in that they come to you if they need help, not you going to them. These usernames get assigned automatically, and by far the vast majority never make more than a single edit, if that. Of the remainder, most have no need to get advice, and only a few will take up the offer of contacting a Mentor with a basic Teahouse-like question. (I've not had a single one yet in two weeks I've been signed up to help)
If I remove all my Mentor Dashboard filters, I see I've now got 5 screens of mentees (total 50), but not a single one of them has sought help by asking me a question yet. So there's really nothing for me to do. Of course, you can reduce how many are shown to me by using the filters: If I set minimum edit count to 1, and last edit to within 7 days, it falls to just 9 editors. And if set to 1 minimum edit and activity within the last day, it falls to just two editors!
There are still things that need sorting out with the Dashboard. The Filter settings aren't currently 'sticky', which is annoying (that is to come), Nav Popups doesn't yet work there, and I've already commented that I don't think you or I should be seeing any editors who haven't actually edited yet, as it look overwhelming. And this post suggests I'm right in fearing that.
I can't see any sign of anyone asking a new user question on your talk page, so I wouldn't worry if I were you. See it as a bit like my local doctor who might have 10,000 patients on his register. He/she never gets them all turning up at once with an issue, so they shouldn't feel too swamped (covid excepted!). Over atWP:Growth Team features/Mentor list our friend @Panini! recently commented that "In the past month, I've received about 9 questions, ranging from two weeks with none to two in one day". So that doesn't sound too onerous, does it?
But I do know what you mean. (I'm also personally feeling rather swamped at the moment, both off- and on-wiki as maybe shows in my recent threads here and through some complex Teahouse engagements.) So, my advice is give it some time to settle in, and do feel free to raise any broader concerns or suggestions either at Wikipedia talk:Growth Team features or at Wikipedia talk:Growth Team features/Mentor list. I know the team leader (@MMiller (WMF)) would be interested to learn of them there.
If you then felt offering to be a Mentor isn't for you there is a way to only act as a mentor of individual names users by removing yourself from the main Mentor list and adding it to the alternative list linked from it. But that is intended more for mentors hosting events like editathons and training course, but it could be used if you wanted to simply offer to be there to help one individual - though that was not its real purpose.
If you decided you wanted to offer to only mentor someone who, say, you'd met at the Teahouse and felt you wanted to put a metaphorical wiki-arm around them and encourage their learning journey on a 1-1 basis, then there's nothing to stop you doing that. A formal way to offer that is via Adopt a User which I advocate is only suitable for new but committed users who want to be guided in more depth, and have a clear recent history of trying to edit across different areas. It's certainly not for someone wanting to be guided to making their one and only page about their favourite musician and then disappearing forever. I make it very clear what my terms for adoption are, or were. But adoption can be very time consuming and demanding, whilst also being very rewarding. I would cite @Clovermoss as someone who I found well worth investing time and effort into supporting via Adoption and who has gone on to do great things here.
Finally, just to help any new mentee who sees my name on their Dashboard, and wonders who this unknown person is, I've added a new top-of-the-page note to my Userpage to help them understand why they've randomly got me 'assigned' to them. I hope this all makes sense; let me know what you feel. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:18, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • I got hit with what I presumed to be a random question but having checked my mentees alas the individual was assigned to me. I’m quite relieved to hear it’s they coming to me rather than me “chase” after them as I erroneously presumed. I’m happy to answer questions from them tirelessly but my sole fear was what I described above now I know this isn’t necessarily the case I’m very much relieved. Coincidentally, I had also thought of the hypothetical scenario which you addressed above wherein a new editor just wants to create an article on their favorite artist/singer/actor and whatnot and just leaves the encyclopedia after they have achieved this, it’s great an intelligent mind has envisaged such possibility/outcome. I believe i shall adopt your philosophy and also include a brief note at the top my UP. Thanks NM, always a pleasure interacting with you. Celestina007 (talk) 17:59, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Forgive me if I repeat anything said above. I currently have 34,742 mentees assigned to me. Sounds like a lot, right? However, this for one includes users that are blocked and have zero edits, which is basically redundant. On top of that, according to xaosflux, "we can lead the horses to water but can't make them drink"; the user also has to be the one to reach out, not vice versa. So, this also excludes anyone who makes one edit and leaves forever, any user who quits out of frustration, or users who simply fear social interaction. Just like me! Haha...anyways...
I went back and did some math on the number of questions I received monthly (I measured "months" as in February 13-January 13, for reference). I got 8 in January, 3 in December, 2 in November, 7 in October, 1 in September, 4 in August, 1 in July, 9 in June, and 1 in May. If I had to make estimates on why these fluctuated like these, it might be school and holiday patterns: people joined Wikipedia during summer break and they died down as school went back in session, and people edited less during November and December due to Thanksgiving and Christmas. That, or it's just entirely random. In short, this means the average number of questions I receive monthly is a whopping 4. Doing the math (by "doing the math" I mean "putting the numbers in a percentage calculator"), 4 out of my 34,742 mentees means only 0.01% of them actually ask questions.
In addition to these low numbers, in the very near future, you will be able to determine the volume of mentees you receive, set to either low, medium, or high. People that are short on time can set this to low to make things more manageable. Panini!🥪 18:23, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Panini!, my thinking is as aptly stated by Nick is if ever I feel inundated I could always opt out of being a mentor. Nick also made a valid point some time in the past as to how this would or may affect the Teahouse. I really hope this development is a success, I noted this entry & the tone felt a little too harsh for a new editor who is supposed to be a mentee of the editor who gave the response I’m pretty sure at the Teahouse proper, the editor may have gotten a friendlier response. In any case, the whole development is still a work in progress, so I’d love to see how it all pans out. Celestina007 (talk) 19:54, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reassurance, @Panini!. In fact, I found a feed of Mentor Questions (see here) showing between 3 and 10 questions a day, spread across all mentors on the list. So not a huge amount at all. As a result of @Celestina007's comment about the surprise question, I've further updated the information above the mentor sign-up list (see here).
My personal view is that The Teahouse could well be a good breeding ground for future mentors once they've become familiar with acting as hosts. At the Teahouse other editors can always correct any bad habits a new host might start off with, whereas they're very much on their own with mentorship. For that reason, I'd be happy to go along with any consensus that might move towards a slightly higher minimum experience level than the Teahouse currently has. Nick Moyes (talk) 02:03, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • You are apt Nick, I agree with your analysis, I had in the past erroneously thought of hosting as a process wherein one could only get officially invited, i was amazed to discover it required just signing up. This in my opinion has led to bad advice given to editors asking questions there, in some cases not so much the wrong answers, some new editors do grasp really fast and are capable of giving correct but very premature answers due to lack of experience which unfortunately can not be taught, for example, I once noticed a new editor barely 3 days old asking how to become an admin and to my greatest shock a host literally pointed the new editor to WP:RFA and that was all they said, not necessarily wrong but beyond premature, due to the fact that the host is very inexperienced, thus the reason I advocate for a threshold of perhaps arbitrary, being a year old, answering questions there without anyone correcting you for at least a month, a clean block log, record of no incivility whatsoever at the Teahouse whilst answering questions, but those are just my arbitrary hypothetical requirements an ideal host should possess, you know, just like you possess. Celestina007 (talk) 12:47, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I see little problem of a new editor not answering TH questions very well, because there are always other hosts able to follow up and correct any misinformation. For that reason I don't think we need to make becoming a TH host too onerous. There's nothing wrong with a keen, young editor learning to help out, providing we can steer them if they don't do it quite right to start with. Mentorship is slightly different as it's a one-to-one interaction, with little to no oversight by anyone else. But I still don't think it needs to be a proper permission with lots of administrative checks. Let's see how it works out. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • You do make a valid point Nick, you are correct when you say we do not need to make TH onerous, but my thinking is, isn't a host cleaning up after another host tiresome? In any case, Nick, I have absolute trust in you to remove new inexperienced editors proffering wrong solutions, premature ideas and wrong answers at TH. Celestina007 (talk) 21:38, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Celestina007 -- thank you for signing up to be a mentor and for talking about your experience! And thank you, @Nick Moyes, for helping represent this work and spreading the word -- everything you said is right! The reason that mentors have the ability to view all their mentees in their dashboard (and not just those who have edited or who have asked a question) is to empower mentors to be more creative or proactive if they wish. Perhaps some mentors might want to proactively get in touch with mentees who appear to be struggling, even before they are asked. That's certainly not the expectation, @Celestina007, but we wanted to err on the side of exposing more information, not less.
I think some upcoming changes in the next few weeks are going to help. We're going to filter out by default mentees who have made 0 edits. We're going to add functionality to let mentors regulate how many mentees are assigned to them (as @Panini! said), and we're going to let mentors click a button to set their status as "Away", meaning questions will be redirected to other mentors until they change their status. This can be helpful to mentors who do a lot of different kinds of wiki work and need to balance it all from time to time. Please watch the mentor signup talk page to hear when these changes are available.
I hope this helps, and please stay in touch! MMiller (WMF) (talk) 18:37, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

European University (bis)[edit]

Hello,

I wanted to thank you for your help the other day on the Teahouse forum. May I give your contact info to my Professor?

Thanks in advance, Kind regards, Qwerty1999 (talk) 15:32, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Qwerty1999 Hello. Yes, if I can help, I will try to do so. You may want to link them to our archived discussion at the Teahouse. You can find it at here or you use this shortcut: https://w.wiki/4qBg
I have no knowledge of the field of economics, but am happy to help explain how we work to a course leader or point them to other resources. The key thing I was trying to get over was that the Teahouse is there all day, every day, should any student need practical help. I always advise any course participant to put a short statement about who they are and why they're editing on their userpage (no need for personal details), but it helps if editors like me can understand where a new editor is coming from, and their rationale for editing in the way they do. (They usually get more leeway from me if I can see that background information). Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 15:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Hello, Thank you for your helpfull advice. I will pass along these informations. Regards Qwerty1999 (talk) 16:02, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Editor registration decrease[edit]

Hi Nick! Re your post on Moxy's talk page, I won't reply there as I've said this to him plenty of times before and I doubt he wants to hear from me again, but if you're curious about the decrease in new editor registrations, the WMF looked into that at phab:T289799 and didn't find any reason for concern. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 02:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Adding an image to wikimedia Commons[edit]

Hello Mr. Moyes I hope you have been well, I don't know if you will remember but a couple months ago an associate of both of ours, Cassiopeia introduced us, you gave me information about an issue I was dealing with I wondered if you could help me again. It's in reference to uploading a photo that belongs to a company(trademarked image). We seem to have some right to display logos like the LFA and UFC even though there's no way they would give free use on images like that due to their copyright status. What rule allows us to use those? Any help you could offer would be much appreciated. CanadianHistorian(MMA & History) (talk) 05:47, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@CanadianHistorian(MMA & History) You should find what you need at WP:LOGOS. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:35, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Nick I have checked it out but I am still confused on a couple things.. it doesn't tell me what I should when uploading these images that qualify. If I don't write the proper stuff people will just delete them anyways CanadianHistorian(MMA & History) (talk) 19:08, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@CanadianHistorian(MMA & History) Could you link to where I can see the logos, and to the page where you'd like to use them, please?. Forgive me: I've forgotten what LFA and UFC might refer to, so please avoid acronyms for a speedier answer, if that's OK. (I won't be able to look into this for a couple of hours anyway, but will do what I can later for you. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:37, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I could try there are ones that I added and ones I would like too add. The most important is the PFC Logo(MMA promotion), UFC refers to the Ultimate Fighting Championship, LFA is also a promotion.(what I'm trying to say is the logos for these are displayed on the site even tho the images are trademarked, what allows those to be on the site if I can figure that out I should be able to add this logo: https://www.google.com/search?q=Prospect+fighting+Championships+logo&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj9h4vh6KP2AhXqqXIEHTN2BZ4Q2-cCegQIABAC&oq=Prospect+fighting+Championships+logo&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzoECAAQAzoHCAAQsQMQQzoFCAAQgAQ6BAgAEEM6BggAEAcQHjoECAAQDToECB4QClCyClj_jQFgnpoBaAZwAHgAgAGFAogB4SqSAQYzLjMwLjOYAQCgAQHAAQE&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=in4dYv2aNurTytMPs-yV8Ak&bih=747&biw=412&client=ms-android-rogers-ca-revc&prmd=insv#imgrc=flfeYYupLn0E4M ), I also added photos for the Motorcycle Clubs Original Red Devils Motorcycle Club, Kings Crew Motorcycle Club, Iron Order Motorcycle Club and Gate Keepers Motorcycle Club(personal picture but was deleted anyway). Theses are all emblems of influential Motorcycle Clubs, other large clubs like the Hells Angels, Outlaws Motorcycle Club and Bandidos Motorcycle Club, Loners Motorcycle Club. Several of the club's photos I posted are now defunct but examples identical to mine candy be found on other articles for defunct Canadian Motorcycle Clubs nearby like the Rebels Motorcycle Club (Canada) and Grim Reapers Motorcycle Club (Canada). I could post links to photos of these emblems but they are all exactly similar to the examples on the pages that I linked above just slightly different in design and letters. What rule allows us to have those on the site? Either way I was hoping to figure out so I can upload the photos for the club's that were removed and add new ones for Bacchus Motorcycle Club and the Vendettas Motorcycle Club. And there is no rush I apologize for my use of acronyms though I just assume everyone watches UFC haha. And I really appreciate it NickCanadianHistorian(MMA & History) (talk) 02:19, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Nick I was just wondering if you had a chance to take a look at my messageCanadianHistorian(MMA & History) (talk) 05:53, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@CanadianHistorian(MMA & History) I completely missed seeing your post above. Sorry. I’ll take a look later today/tomorrow, and reply then. Chase me if I forget - rather swamped at the moment. Cheers Nick Moyes (talk) 06:02, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries at all it takes me a bit of time to reply on here to sometimes. I really appreciate it Nick CanadianHistorian(MMA & History) (talk) 06:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Nick I was wondering if you had a chance to look at that stuff because I have tried to upload photos since our discussion by copying the rules and regulations on other ones I just can't figure out how to actually do it people delete it no matter what even when passes it's just bs there needs to be a video on YouTube showing how to properly do it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Loners_MC_logo.png#mw-jump-to-license these exact rules apply to the items that I am trying to upload but for some reason I cannot get the pictures to State the same thing as this does and there's no instructions on how to help me CanadianHistorian(MMA & History) (talk) 08:28, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@CanadianHistorian(MMA & History) I am really sorry - it's not been a good time for me at home recently, so I'm not confident I am going to be able to find the time to sort this out for you. I really do apologise. Would you mind seeking help at the Teahouse on this one. Be aware that Wikimedia Commons has its own rules and doesn't allow fair use images, whereas Wikipedia allows fair use of logos which Commons would otherwise remove immediately. The hosts at the Teahouse can point you to the right help pages on Commons. I'm really sorry to leave you in the lurch like this. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:41, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's okay Nick I 100% understand as I do have things going on from time to time they get in the way of doing things on Wikipedia. Hope that you get everything figured out until next time cheersCanadianHistorian(MMA & History) (talk) 04:18, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ESC key in VisualEditor[edit]

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T302096

Hello Nick_Moyes,
i found the working of the ESC key in VisualEditor very annoying. It should not be default behaviour to loose the work with the single press of a button. Since you made this edit "To cancel all your editing changes, just ... press Esc on your keyboard", you might be interested in this bug: phab:T52868#7720620
--Alex42 (talk) 09:55, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Alex42 Interesting point. TBH: I didn't see it as an issue in VE as Esc is not a key one ever seems to accidentally hit, or hit once too often whilst performing a task. But now you mention it, I'll take a look next time I'm editing with it. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:06, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
When editing an infobox inside VE, i use Esc to exit. If accidental pressed twice you have the effect. --Alex42 (talk) 15:09, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question[edit]

I would like to know if I would be able to post my drawings of speculative animals on Wikipedia , and whether or not I could be able to turn part of my talk page into a sort of "speculative article" about the creatures in the drawings I made on paper, I know this sounds really stupid and dumb.Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 13:18, 18 February 2022 (UTC)User:Rugoconites_Tenuirugosus[reply]

@Rugoconites Tenuirugosus No, I'm sorry. That would not be at all acceptable for this encyclopaedia. Even if you were a research scientist, that would not be OK. See WP:OR and WP:NOTWEBHOST. Why don't you create a free website or blog and put your work there, instead? Then you'd have total control and a useful outlet for your creativity. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:49, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thank you for letting me know that isn't appropriate for Wikipedia.Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 13:18, 18 February 2022 (UTC)User:Rugoconites_Tenuirugosus[reply]


Thank You for mentioning the Idea about Creating A website , the website i've made was Made Using Google Sites. If you Would Like To view it please click https://sites.google.com/view/speculative-primitive-life/home . I would be really happy to hear what you think about it so far since I haven't finished it yet and there's still the creatures and other stuff to create. Also , just A quick warning , some of the words on the website are made up and might be hard to spell or say out loud.Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 13:18, 18 February 2022 (UTC)User:Rugoconites_Tenuirugosus[reply]

@Rugoconites Tenuirugosus Hey, well done. I think that is a better route to express your interests. It's really great that you have such an eclectic interest for (I assume) a young person. I wonder what got you interested in the first place? I spent my life working in the museum natural history field, yet know very little about these ancient groups. I hope you get a lot of pleasure out of your studies. If I may, I'll make two observations: treat your website a bit like we treat Wikipedia in that everyone - you included - will benefit if you cite all your sources and offer further reading to support what you write about. As you're not under the same rules as Wikipedia, you're free to 'borrow' and re-use images that we cannot use here, but it's still a huge courtesy to credit everyone whose work you use. The second thing is to ask where you learned to write English? It's not at all bad, but it is most unusual to see almost every word begin with a big capital letter. If you can try to train yourself to get out of this habit, your website's content will be very pleasing to read. Just remember, only use a capital letter at the start of the very first word of a sentence, and nowhere else. Unless, of course, it is a real name like a country or a city, or a person's name.
And, as you've shown me yours, I'll show you mine: I built this blog about 14 years ago for a work project I still maintain, though I think my first ever website was around 1996 or '97 - I can't quite remember now. Things have changed quite a bit since then! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:04, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Most of the information there is speculative like the hole-like structures which are used for filter feeding, as well as the group names which are just random letters which I've put toghether which I though sounded really scientific , I also took inspiration from words like "arthropod" for the Proto-arthropod-like creatures which filter feed.I also learned english by my own, I learned to type Like This with capital letters at the start of every word because it was more comfortable for me. All the images there were drawn by me and edited using J2E (Just 2 Easy) which is like a site which schools use.I also apologize for the horrible camera quality the images will have since I used the J2e camera in order to first upload them onto the site, Then edit them in a "document" , then save them.I've also updated the site to include information about the Tuta Vermis animal.Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 13:18, 18 February 2022 (UTC)User:Rugoconites_Tenuirugosus[reply]

Well, I'm impressed how well you taught yourself English. I've been trying to learn German for years and could not communicate in writing with anyone in all that time. So well done. I haven't checked your new website in detail, but I hope you can understand why why we never accept personal blogs and websites as [[WP:RS|Reliable Sources] on Wikipedia. What is one person's 'bit of fun' can be another person's assumption that a source is true and valid, when it was never intended to be. Are you planning to make palaeontology a future career, or do you have other plans for yourself? Nick Moyes (talk) 10:43, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]



I would also like to know if it would be acceptable for me to be able to add My drawing Of Hong splipinskii to the article , the source I used to make the drawing was also the source I used to make the article, but did not copy it , and instead , used it as a reference point in order to make the drawing itself.Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 13:18, 18 February 2022 (UTC)User:Rugoconites_Tenuirugosus[reply]

No. Absolutely not. It's a photograph or nothing, or Wikipedia will descend into a site for amateur artists to make everything from superb illustrations to rubbish sketches based upon guesswork and misinterpretation and think it's perfectly OK to post them here. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:38, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Gastreochrea[edit]

The deletion of Gastreochrea is unreasonable and I did not understand it at all , I clearly said that I accidently published the article and someone moved the article into the draft space , and the article was moved to draft space right after I accidently published it , and deleted all the information I have put there. I do also know that the article was filled with nothing other than a broken taxon box , a reference list , a short message (which clearly should have told people that I was working on it) and the stub.Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 15:36, 19 February 2022 (UTC)User:Rugoconites_Tenuirugosus[reply]

@Rugoconites Tenuirugosus I thought I had only deleted the redirect. Apologies if I made an error. I’m out right now but will check and sort it when I’m home. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:10, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Rugoconites Tenuirugosus It was perfectly fine. It's still there at Draft:Gastreochrea. I simply removed the redirect from mainspace, which we can't leave hanging around. i.e. we never redirect from the main part of Wikipedia to an incomplete draft article. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:28, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What I was saying was like the text which I added before it got moved to draft space, like the part which mentions how J.J. Sepkosi mentioned that it should be a Trilobozoan , and NOT the article itself.Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 16:26, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Rugoconites Tenuirugosus I see no evidence in the edit history of that text. Perhaps it was moved whilst you were in the middle of editing and we’re unable to save them. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:21, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh , okay, I wrote more on the draft itself.Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 15:36, 19 February 2022 (UTC)User:Rugoconites_Tenuirugosus[reply]

@Rugoconites Tenuirugosus These things happen when you don't save regularly, I'm afraid.
Please, please try to learn to indent and sign your posts correctly - it would really help, as I've mentioned before. Read WP:INDENT or simply start your reply by adding a single comma at the very start of the first sentence of your reply, and use just four keyboard tilde characters (like this: ~~~~) to get your signature to display. Right now you're signing things twice for some reason. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:12, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question from OCHIES (12:50, 21 February 2022)[edit]

Hello, how do you do? Hope you slept well? --OCHIES (talk) 12:50, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@OCHIES A bit windy here in the UK last night, thank you, but we slept through the storm. Welcome to Wikipedia. I'll leave a few handy links on your talk page to get you started, but feel free to ask me any questions about editing if you get stuck. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:32, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2022-08[edit]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Special:Nuke will now provide the standard deletion reasons (editable at MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown) to use when mass-deleting pages. This was a request in the 2022 Community Wishlist Survey. [15]
  • At Wikipedias, all new accounts now get the Growth features by default when creating an account. Communities are encouraged to update their help resources. Previously, only 80% of new accounts would get the Growth features. A few Wikipedias remain unaffected by this change. [16]
  • You can now prevent specific images that are used in a page from appearing in other locations, such as within PagePreviews or Search results. This is done with the markup class=notpageimage. For example, [[File:Example.png|class=notpageimage]]. [17]
  • There has been a change to the HTML of Special:Contributions, Special:MergeHistory, and History pages, to support the grouping of changes by date in the mobile skin. While unlikely, this may affect gadgets and user scripts. A list of all the HTML changes is on Phabricator.

Events

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 February. It will be on all wikis from 24 February (calendar).

Future changes

  • The software to play videos and audio files on pages will change soon on all wikis. The old player will be removed. Some audio players will become wider after this change. The new player has been a beta feature for over four years. [18][19]
  • Toolforge's underlying operating system is being updated. If you maintain any tools there, there are two options for migrating your tools into the new system. There are details, deadlines, and instructions on Wikitech. [20]
  • Administrators will soon have the option to delete/undelete the associated "talk" page when they are deleting a given page. An API endpoint with this option will also be available. This was a request from the 2021 Wishlist Survey.

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19:10, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Mentor categories[edit]

May I ask why you created both Category:Wikipedia mentors and Category:Wikipedians who mentor new users? Surely only one of them is needed (and I think "Wikipedians who mentor new users" is a better name) * Pppery * it has begun... 18:14, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Pppery Of course you can! It was a combination of being in a rush and incompetence! I’m not brilliant with categories and was rushing to sort it. I think you’re probably right. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:29, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Pppery I thought more about it and you were quite right, so have fixed it and deleted Category:Wikipedia mentors. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:47, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mentor stuff[edit]

Hi Nick. I noticed that I now have a "Mentor dashboard" link added to my user page header. I'm assuming that this is par for the course. Does it also disappear if I remove my name from the list? I also got User:Arifhossain1979 assigned to me a mentee. I'm assuming that this is done randomly and this person is not seeking my assistance, and they might not even know what's happened. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do next, but in this case it seems like a possible WP:U5 problem. It, however, seems silly for the first post on this person's user talk page to be a warning about WP:NOTWEBHOST after they've made only a single edit. Do these new editors get welcome templates automatically added to their user talk pages? If not, then that might be a good idea. Something that combines the information typically found in a general welcome template with some additional information about U5 might be a good idea. Not sure if such a template exists, but perhaps one could be created if not. It might also be a good if said template also let them know they've been assigned a mentor. FWIW, it seems as if the WMF should be the one to take care of this kind of thing since they seem to be behind the whole "Growth" project. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:40, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Marchjuly I was just off to bed, so can't reply at length now, sorry. I think the issues are worth teasing out at Wikipedia talk:Growth Team features, where the WMF team are very responsive and keen to hear our concerns. But, yes, you get the dashboard because you signed up. I guess you'd lose it if you removed yourself. Yes, mentees are randomly assigned. No, as far as I know, right now there is no welcome for them on their talk page - except they do see your your welcoming mentor message on their Homepage if they actually go there. (I think yours could be a tad longer, just saying something like "ask me anything if you need help" - that sort of thing) There's nothing anyone needs to do as a mentor in welcoming or engaging with mentees, other than to be aware one might seek your help. You don't need to go through the innumerable mentee names you see on your dashboard if you don't want to That's your choice. I'm simply waiting for them to approach me, as my hands are full elsewhere. I think we'll need to review our welcome templates and, to that end, I started this list to eventually work on after full rollout happens.
If you wish, you're welcome to move this thread to the other talk page where it can be discussed further. Must shoot now. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2022-09[edit]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • When searching for edits by change tags, e.g. in page history or user contributions, there is now a dropdown list of possible tags. This was a request in the 2022 Community Wishlist Survey. [21]
  • Mentors using the Growth Mentor dashboard will now see newcomers assigned to them who have made at least one edit, up to 200 edits. Previously, all newcomers assigned to the mentor were visible on the dashboard, even ones without any edit or ones who made hundred of edits. Mentors can still change these values using the filters on their dashboard. Also, the last choice of filters will now be saved. [22][23]
  • The user group oversight was renamed suppress. This is for technical reasons. You may need to update any local references to the old name, e.g. gadgets, links to Special:Listusers, or uses of NUMBERINGROUP.

Problems

  • The recent change to the HTML of tracking changes pages caused some problems for screenreaders. This is being fixed. [24]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 1 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 2 March. It will be on all wikis from 3 March (calendar).

Future changes

  • Working with templates will become easier. Several improvements are planned for March 9 on most wikis and on March 16 on English Wikipedia. The improvements include: Bracket matching, syntax highlighting colors, finding and inserting templates, and related visual editor features.
  • If you are a template developer or an interface administrator, and you are intentionally overriding or using the default CSS styles of user feedback boxes (the classes: successbox, messagebox, errorbox, warningbox), please note that these classes and associated CSS will soon be removed from MediaWiki core. This is to prevent problems when the same class-names are also used on a wiki. Please let us know by commenting at phab:T300314 if you think you might be affected.

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22:58, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

New page[edit]

Hello , Sorry If I'm Bothering you by any means (seeing as how I suck at making prehistoric animal articles and how I dissapointed the hell out of you), I know that this may sound like a crazy fever dream , but , I think that I finally made a sort-of "good" article for once Rhodactis inchoata. Please , and I mean this, do not try to change the taxobox / speciesbox , since I might figure out how to make it work since I used the taxobox from the genus Rhodactis. Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 21:59, 1 March 2022 (UTC)User:Rugoconites_Tenuirugosus[reply]

@Rugoconites Tenuirugosus No, you're not bothering me if you're asking for help and feedback. I'm happy to offer that and to guide you. I'm just off to bed, but there are a few obvious things worth saying. First off, yes this looks like a valid species and worth working on. Your sources are terrible - at least one of them is a wiki, of user-generate content. Get rid of that. Make the article encyclopaedic in a scientific sense, and don't aim it at aquarium keepers. So, aquarium cultivation is a minor section after distribution, description and life cycle. Find better sources. Use Google Scholar. Find the author (here's a better source), and perhaps copy and edit the infobox from another closely-related species (oops-looks like you're doing that; it's a good way to learn). Italicise all species names; fix the typos in at least one use of the species name. Don't refer to corals as pets - that's plain wrong. But all-in-all it has the bare bones of an encyclopaedic article with some clean-up and better sourcing. In future, avoid animal-care websites, they're not sufficiently scientific and often full of quite incorrect information from limited knowledge sources. Stick to scientific sources at first, than add in cultivation as a minor element of an article. Hope this helps for now. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:58, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh okay, I'll try to be more careful when seeing what type of references I am using. Also , what is that one thing on Wikipedia where you can create like a "proto-type" of a article you want to make , but without having to make it in the mainstream? Like the thing you use to submit like an article without having to publish it. Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 08:17, 2 March 2022 (UTC)User:Rugoconites_Tenuirugosus[reply]

You can either simply collate notes, references etc and prepare an article in your sandbox. (Link at top of page at ) You can have as many of these 'on the go' at once as you wish, eg User:Rugoconites Tenuirugosus/sandbox, User:Rugoconites Tenuirugosus/sandbox2, User:Rugoconites Tenuirugosus/sandbox3 etc). You can also prepare an article as a draft, which many prefer. Use the Wikipedia:Article_wizard] for this. You can work on it as long as you wish, providing you make at least one edit to it every six months. (I had this one on the go for two years before I finally completed it. So submit any article for review, just add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page. Or you can move it directly into mainspace yourself - but I advise the former route in your case. What you must not do is move articles into mainspace in a poor state (incomplete taxoboxes etc) - they are much more likely to be turned back into a draft by someone who doesn't want to see poor-quality content in the encyclopaedia, and would prefer to wait until it is improved. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:50, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

okay , thank you.Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 08:17, 2 March 2022 (UTC)User:Rugoconites_Tenuirugosus[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – March 2022[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2022).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:46, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power[edit]

Just incase you didn't know. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:54, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Looks like I shall have to renew my Prime subscription later in the year! Nick Moyes (talk) 20:56, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Our friend active again ?[edit]

It appears that our common "friend" has been active again. Since the last edit consisted mostly of unsourced deletions, I reverted it anyhow. Regards --Uli Elch (talk) 10:57, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Uli Elch Hi. Yes, I noticed that person's edits, too. They geolocate to Bankok, Thailand, so unless they're operating with a VPN it might not be the same person. This might entail a CheckUser investigation against the other IP addresses, but not linking it to any suspected registered user, as that's a no-no for CUs. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:37, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thoughts[edit]

Since I became a mentor I’ve seen an exponential increase in my talk page, no problems I’m always happy to help, my new reality is that I spend more time responding to new editors assigned to me and I have since had little time for the WP:TEA, is the same reality for you? Celestina007 (talk) 20:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Celestina007 Absolutely the opposite! I've just had one question in the last 4 weeks, despite having 1,834 mentees at the time of responding (see here). I have not altered the mentor setting of 'Active' and 'Average' number of mentees assigned.
However, I have also just checked your own talk page and the list of every single question asked by mentees over the last 28 days, and you've only had ONE, too! see here.
So, any rise in activity on your talk page can't be down to a myriad of mentees asking you a question. As I've put on the mentor list page, their posts to your talk page from their mentee dashboard will automatically begin "Question from [username]" and is tagged as a 'Mentorship module edit'.
I'm wondering if you've somehow become active in areas where your visibility to new or confused editors has been heightened, or if word has got around about how wonderfully helpful you usually are to people? Signpost article, perhaps? Nick Moyes (talk) 21:51, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nick, Indeed, you are beyond correct, I’ve indeed been doing ACC work, so indeed I think the new editors which I create accounts for mistake me as a de-facto mentor due to the auto message they receive when the account(s) have been successfully created, coupled with the message on my UP, oh boy! that is indeed the case here. Furthermore you apt once again, Look at this. They expressly stated that they read the signpost which prompted them to leave me a message. Oh boy how didn’t I connect the obvious dots? Thanks for pointing this out for meFace-smile.svg Celestina007 (talk) 22:11, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Celestina007 It ees, as zay say ma frend, arl down to good deetective werk. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:22, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yup! 😊 Celestina007 (talk) 22:30, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I warned you[edit]

You admins were told that I would be harder this year. Now my sock puppets are back!-Captain's Hat (talk) 01:39, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, and goodnight. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:44, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Lmfaooo and “thats all (she) wrote” seriously though, I do wonder why people choose to be vandals and LTA's, if I had an aversion for a website, I probably would just never visit it, vandalism must take a great deal of mental effort, but oh well it’s like you said, it’s “Goodnight” for them indeed. I really did find the exchange between you two to be very hilarious. Celestina007 (talk) 12:36, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation link notification for March 4[edit]

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Thompson Coburn, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page New York.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:05, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Annwesha Hazra[edit]

Hi Nick Moyes. A quite a few days ago, Annwesha Hazra got deleted, and salted. Can you tell how and why it was deleted? It was said g4 deletion, but it didn't look promotional anymore. And it wasn't also paid. There was a notability issue but that doesn't make it a CSD G4 deletion. On investigating it for so many days, I found out that it had been sent for XFD by AAhap36, a sockpuppet. It is seems like revenge as once I had made this comment after Mstae12, a sock of the same sock got blocked. And since then, it looks like they have been following me well. Now what should be done? I know it is late to ask you about this as many days have passed, but I needed to know who had made the XFD, and had to work out the reason behind it. According to you, does it qualify to be deleted. The subject could have got notability soon. And the main reason behind its first deletion was because it was promotional and paid. But I edited an existing paid draft to make it non promotional and stop being it an UPE article. Then I moved the draft to mainspace. What was wrong from my part? ItcouldbepossibleTalk 11:26, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Itcouldbepossible The page was speedy deleted because it nominated under WP:G4. Mstae12 is nice girl and she doesn't take revenge from anyone. She was told by someone to nominate it.2409:4063:4D9A:FA59:D293:5EE4:BA4:92A5 (talk) 12:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There the sock comes. It gets proved that they are following me everywhere. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 13:48, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Itcouldbepossible, I am not her sock. She is from South and I am from North and a boy.2409:4063:4D9A:FA59:83C4:B41:C394:14F9 (talk) 13:56, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Itcouldbepossible You can read the deletion history for yourself here. WP:CSD G4 is not about promotion; it's about deletion of an article previously deleted via a community deletion discussion. The deletion discussion was initiated by User:AAhap36 - a now blocked user of banned editor, User:Shaiksuhana2. I've not looked in detail at your own contributions, nor have I looked to see if this person meets WP:NACTOR. I can send you the text if you wish to review it - I simply don't have the time myself. Any future attempt to create an article ought to go through WP:AFC. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:15, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Nick Moyes Yes, you can send me the text via email. But why cannot an article be created if it is deleted by delete discussion? I am not just creating the article with the same text again. That is what I mean to say. So, it fails CSD G4 isn't it? ItcouldbepossibleTalk 11:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Itcouldbepossible OK. I'm happy to do that. Drop me an email via 'email this user' and I'll reply to it from one of my anonymous email accounts. I would make two suggestions for articles that have gone through a deletion process and been deleted again - especially if the content is different now. For a substantially different article, go to WP:REFUND and request undelete so it can be put up for a more considered WP:AFD discussion. Or, submit the article through WP:AFC, ensuring that you clarify (either on the talk page, or at the very top of the article) that you are aware of the past deletion, and pointing to all the sources that are new, and highlighting which three of these now demonstrate Notability which it failed to do before. That makes the AFC editor's life a lot simpler. I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sent you a mail. But in WP:REFUND it is strictly written Please note that this page is NOT for challenging the outcome of deletion discussions or to address the pending deletion of any page. Then will it be right to ask for undeletion there. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 12:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just to say I’ve not forgotten, but have been very busy with personal issues at home. I got your email. So just remind me in a couple of weeks if you’v not heard back, lest this slips ‘under the radar’. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:22, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Nick Moyes No problem, would always be waiting for your reply. It is just so wonderful that you remember this thing amidst your work as an administrator and your own personal issues. Thanks for so much help. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 12:26, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Itcouldbepossible I need to go away for a few days. Please would you remind me/email me again on or after 31st March?. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:58, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. I will do that. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 15:56, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Itcouldbepossible Thank you for the email reminder. I have sent the 27th February version to you by email. I remind you that it would not be wise to attempt to recreate this article without first ensuring there are really good sources available, and all wording is neutral in tone, and fully cited. WP:TOOSOON may well apply here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:26, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot. I will show it to my mentor first. He wants to see it. Thanks for all the help you provided. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 16:30, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Email[edit]

Hi Nick! I sent you an email a few days ago, and just wanted to check to confirm it went through. I know it's a busy period, so please take your time in replying. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 04:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. That’s weird. I replied and was wondering why I hadn’t heard back. (it was to express full support), I’ll check my webmail later this morning as I’ve had a few non-sent messages recently. 

Nick Moyes (talk) 06:14, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No worries; received it now! I'll reply shortly. Face-smile.svg Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 23:50, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just to say I’ve not forgotten, but have been very busy with personal issues at home. I got your email. So just remind me in a couple of weeks if you’v not heard back, lest this slips ‘under the radar’. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:06, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sure thing! Face-smile.svg {{u|Sdkb}} talk 07:15, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Halasmadi90 (21:17, 14 March 2022)[edit]

Hello, how can i publish my articles ? --Halasmadi90 (talk) 21:18, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Halasmadi90 Hello. Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your question. Because creating a brand new article is the hardest thing for anyone to do on Wikipedia (especially for a newcomer), we usually recommend gaining experience by making smaller edits to exisiting articles first so that you can come to understand the policies that guide us. This stops us from making big mistakes early on, and being disappointed.
Before you publish an article (and I assume you are asking about Nawal Mahmoud Alayan AL Faouri at User:Halasmadi90/sandbox), you should read through "Your First Article" and this page about the biographies of living people. It explains that every single statement in a biography about a living person must have an 'inline citation' allowing someone to verify whatever is stated.
We also have guidance on Notability of politicians - an absolutely critical guide to whether or not a particular person meets our criteria for a Wikipedia article. Just existing doesn't count (or I'd have one about me!). One of your sources explains her background and roles, but you will also need to show that other people have written in depth about her (news media stories about her, rather than interviews with her, please.
At the moment, your draft article is like a curriculum vitae. Much of her minor roles can be left out, but what we need is other sources to show that this particular politician is notable enough to merit an article here. You've made a good start, but you might like to look at articles about similar people to see how they are written and constructed.
Once you're ready, you could come back and I can add a 'submit' button to the article so that a reviewer can determine if it meets our basic criteria, and offer you further advice if it does not. Or you can do this yourself via our Article Wizard, which will start a draft for you and you can submit it when ready. I hope this helps a bit. I will leave you with a few extra links as a welcome message on your talk page. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:50, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Growth Newsletter #20[edit]

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Welcome to the twentieth newsletter from the Growth team!

The Growth team's objective is to work on software changes that help retain new contributors in Wikimedia projects.

Suggested edits[edit]

As of February, 300,000 suggested edits have been completed since the feature was first deployed in December 2019.

Add a link is the team's first structured task, deployed in May 2021. It has improved outcomes for newcomers. The team is now working on a second iteration based on community feedback and data analysis. Improvements will include: improved algorithmic suggestions, guardrails to prevent too many similar links to be added, and clearer encouragement for users to continue making edits. After adding these improvements, we will deploy this task to more Wikipedias.

Add an image is the second structured task built by our team. It was deployed in November 2021 to four pilot Wikipedias. This is a more challenging task for newcomers. However, it adds more value to articles (so far, over 1,000 images have been added). We are currently learning from communities and from the data on what is working well and what needs improvements. The project page contains links to interactive prototypes. We are very interested to hear your thoughts on this idea as we build and test the early versions. We will soon deploy this task to more Wikipedias as a test.

"Add a link" and "Add an image" now both have a limitation on how many of these tasks newcomers can do per day. It is meant to discourage careless newcomers from making too many problematic edits.

Positive reinforcement[edit]

Over the last two years, the Growth team has focused on building suggested edits: easy tasks for newcomers to start with. We have learned with this experience that these tasks help many newcomers to make their first edits. Now, the team is starting a new project : "positive reinforcement". Its goal is to make newcomers proud of their editing and to make them want to come back for more of them. With the positive reinforcement project, we are considering three kinds of features:

  • Impact stats: give newcomers the ability to see how many people read the articles they edit.
  • Leveling up: encourage newcomers to progress from easier tasks to harder tasks.
  • Personalized praise: encourage mentors and other editors to "thank" and award newcomers for good work.

This project is just beginning, and we hope for community thoughts on the direction. We know that things can wrong if we offer the wrong incentives to newcomers, so we want to be careful. Please visit the talk page to help guide the project!

News for mentors[edit]

  • The mentor dashboard is available at all wikis. It helps mentors see who their mentees are and keep track of their activity. It is automatically activated where a list of mentors has been created. If you need assistance to create a list of mentors, please contact us.
  • The mentor dashboard has a new module: settings. It is now possible for mentors to define their status (active or away). They can specify the volume of questions they want to receive, and they can claim mentees in an easier way. It is also possible for mentors to quit, which will automatically reassign their mentees to other mentors.
  • We are working on an ability for a mentee to opt-out (and back in) to having a mentor.
  • Previously, in the table that displays mentees activity, the filters displayed all mentees, even the ones with zero edits or lots of edits. We have changed this so that only mentees with between 1 and 500 edits are visible by default. Mentors can change this value in their filters.
  • We are currently working on a special page for mentors to sign-up.

Some wikis have created userboxes that mentors can display on the user pages. If your wiki has one, please link it to Wikidata!

Scaling[edit]

Previously, at most Wikipedias, only 80% of newcomers were getting the Growth features. This was done for experimentation, to have a control group. We have changed this setting. Now 100% of new accounts at all Wikipedias get the Growth features (except a few, kept as test wikis). We invite communities to update their onboarding documentation and tutorials. Please include the Growth features in it. To help you, we have created an help page that can be translated and adapted to your wiki.

How to help[edit]

Do you have questions about the Growth features? This translatable FAQ contains answers to the most common questions about the Growth team work. We regularly update it.

Interface translations are important for newcomers. Please help for your language, by translating or copyediting interface translations for the Growth features.

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17:12, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

vaga dicitur intestinum petram[edit]

Hello , so I don't really want to force you to do this if it seems ridiculous , I would like to know if you could be able to get in contact with the creator of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yaiTMsMTCg (Glenn Torney) to confirm if the creature in this video (or whatever the creature is in the video itself) at the time 2 minutes and seven seconds (or the other weird form structure things which were shown) was actually collected from a piece of rock dating back to around 640 million years ago , and if there is permission to add the creature shown in the video -I'm focusing on the petal-shaped one- to the List of ediacaran genera and if it's possible to create an article about it (no, i'm not going to make a garbage , low-level article about a thing which no scientist has even see before) and if it was actually alive. Best regards. Rugoconites Tenuirugosus Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 7:27, 15 March 2022 (UTC)User:Rugoconites_Tenuirugosus

No. Sorry. You are delving into areas of Original Research and I am not prepared to support that on Wikipedia, and the topic is too technical and obscure even for me to wade in to, let alone yourself. If you have found modern, up-to-date scientific publications then you are best to approach the authors of those papers if you want them to make images available. Otherwise, you seem to be guessing about what species a fossil is, or asking another amateur to do so, and then trying to create an article about it. I might be willing to help you with a translation to good English if you were to approach a proper, professional palaeontologist, but that's as far as I can go, I'm afraid. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:14, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
oh okay, but I intetionally stated this "(no, i'm not going to make a garbage , low-level article about a thing which no scientist has even seen before)" so that way we couldn't start the thing I started again with how I should stop make these low-effort garbage articles.Rugoconites Tenuirugosus Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 7:27, 15 March 2022 (UTC)User:Rugoconites_Tenuirugosus

Tech News: 2022-12[edit]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New code release schedule for this week

  • There will be four MediaWiki releases this week, instead of just one. This is an experiment which should lead to fewer problems and to faster feature updates. The releases will be on all wikis, at different times, on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. You can read more about this project.

Recent changes

Future changes

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15:59, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

April Editathons from Women in Red[edit]

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Women in Red Apr 2022, Vol 8, Issue 4, Nos 214, 217, 226, 227, 228


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Precious anniversary[edit]

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Nick[edit]

I was going back through comments on the Teahouse Talk Page and I can only say I must have been extremely busy or not online when the issue about Teahouse hosts being removed for inactivity came up or I would have given my thoughts. I think you are amazing. I am so thankful for those editors that created the Teahouse. When I first started two years ago, yes, I'm still a wiki-toddler of sorts, I didn't understand the significance of the Teahouse. Everything was so foreign to me. I was actually surprised when someone suggested being a host at the Teahouse before becoming a mentor but I took that chance and it has been so rewarding for me. I don't answer unless I feel I know the answer or if I feel a little more human touch is necessary in a discussion but I definitely read more than I comment and that affords me, a host, the opportunity to learn right along with those we are helping. I am so appreciative of you and everything you have done and continue to do for the Teahouse. Your response to the aforementioned issue stood out to me most. Your handling of that situation was perfect. You expressed your irritation while commending the editor that spoke up and offered their views and opinions. You explained clearly what you have done and continue to do but also acknowledged there is room for improvement. Nick, you are a leader and that's apparent but you also get the human aspect of Wikipedia that so many easily dismiss. We are not automatons. We are individuals. Anyway, I just wanted to say how much I appreciate you and your uniquely beautiful Song. --ARoseWolf 12:30, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ARoseWolf Thank you so much for those extremely kind words. Like you, I wish I had also known of the Teahouse when I first started here. It would have saved so much struggling with reference formatting! I, too, also benefited from a lot of watching and learning, just as I still do today. It was @Cullen328 who first invited me to participate at the Teahouse, and am so pleased that he did. I do, of course, have my grumpy moments, but I still think trying to keep the human touch is terribly important, not only for newcomers, but for all our fellow editors. I'm glad you do, too. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You've got mail[edit]

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Question from Ajayidammy (12:53, 28 March 2022)[edit]

Hi, I would love to ask how can I add business info to Wikipedia? --Ajayidammy (talk) 12:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ajayidammy Hello. Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for your question. Because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia of 'notable things' (and not a 'yellow pages' website), we don't allow businesses to add information unless they actually meet our clear criteria of notability. For businesses, these are laid out here, and basically require evidence that mainstream media or non-related sources have written about that business in detail and in depth. This excludes press releases, the businesses own website and all insider-sources based on what the business has said about itself. We would expect to see three really good citations to such sources. So, to save you a lot of trouble, you'd be welcome to send me links to three such sources and I could advise you if the business might meet our notability criteria, or not. It could save you a lot of time and wasted effort if they don't.
In addition, if you are connected to the business in some way (employee, owner, wife of owner, contractor etc.), we require a clear declaration of what we call a 'conflict of interest' to be placed on your userpage. See WP:COI for details.
Creating a new article from scratch is the hardest task for any editor to achieve - and it is even harder if you have no experience of editing here at all. We always advise getting some experience in making minor edits before attempting an article, and then we advise creating a draft which can be reviewed and feedback given. This would be done at Articles for Creation.
So, in essence: if you've joined us purely to promote a non-notable business, please use other platforms instead. I hope this helps. Feel free to post follow-up questions if I am not clear. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:14, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2022-13[edit]

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  • There is a simple new Wikimedia Commons upload tool available for macOS users, Sunflower.

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19:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Teahouse protected[edit]

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Question from GetEmployed (14:08, 1 April 2022)[edit]

Hello, I have recently created an account on Wikipedia, the reason is that we recently launched one website in order to help the society we want to share it with the world, therefore, we want to create our own articles here but since this is the first time, I am not sure how exactly I can use it --GetEmployed (talk) 14:08, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@GetEmployed Hello. Welcome to Wikipedia and many thanks for your question. Because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia of 'notable things' (and not a 'yellow pages' website), we don't allow businesses to add information unless they actually meet our clear criteria of notability. For businesses, these strict criteria are laid out on this page, and basically require evidence that mainstream media or non-related sources have written about that business in detail and in depth. This requirement for good, independent sources means that we exclude press releases, the businesses' own websites and all insider-sources based on what the business has said about itself. To meet that notability threshold, we would expect to see a minimum of three really good citations to such sources. So, to save you a lot of trouble, you'd be welcome to send me links to three such sources and I could advise you if the business might meet our notability criteria, or not. It could save you a lot of time and wasted effort if they don't. But because you say you have created new business or website and want to "share it with the world", I can't imagine that a Wikipedia page about it would be accepted.
In addition, because you are connected to the business in some way (employee, owner, wife of owner, contractor etc.), we would require a clear declaration of what we call a 'conflict of interest' to be placed on your userpage. See WP:COI for details.
Creating a new article from scratch is the hardest task for any editor to achieve - and it is even harder if you have no prior experience of editing here at all. We always advise getting some experience in making minor edits before attempting an article, and then we recommend creating a draft which can be reviewed and then feedback given. This would be done at Articles for Creation.
And one final disappointment for you is that if 'GetEmployed' is the name of the business or website, your username would not be acceptable. We neither allow usernames that promote a business, nor permit accounts to be used if it appears that more than one person operates, or has access to it.
So, in essence: if you've joined us purely to promote a non-notable business, please use other platforms instead. I hope this helps. Feel free to post follow-up questions if I am not clear. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:45, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just Stop[edit]

I Need To Say This , As You've Said On The talk page for Rugoconites , You said " I no longer have much confidence in your abilities to understand and differentiate published expert opinion by scientists from your own amateur sleuthing and guesswork" at 01:18 , 21 February 2022 , And Yet For Gods Sake You keep On Editing My Articles. If You Seriously Do Not At All have Any More Confidence Left In you About Me Finally Learning Something , you Should Not Try To Edit My Articles Anymore and Just Leave Them To me Or Just Topic Ban Me from Making Any Articles About Animals.Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 19:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)User:Rugoconites_Tenuirugosus[reply]

@Rugoconites Tenuirugosus Your post to my talk page has crossed with another I am currently in the middle of drafting on your own talk page about yet more incompetence on your part (re Bilinichnus). Let me post that first, then I may well take you to WP:ANI to get you topic banned per WP:CIR. Having tried to encourage, guide and support you, despite despairing of your lack of understanding in what you're doing, it would honestly not be fair of me to topic ban you myself as I am too WP:INVOLVED.
But I do not believe we can allow you to keep on creating or uploading more erroneous content here and on Wikimedia Commons. I have tried to encourage you to play around elsewhere and to create your own website so that you learn some of the skills that a scientist needs, but I do not feel you have yet developed the knowledge or understanding to do so on Wikipedia with such highly obscure and technical subject as trace fossils.
As I have said to before, despite being a natural sciences museum curator with over 30 years professional experience, I am fearful myself of wading into such technical and obscure areas a ancient trace fossils. And, yes, I do have to keep on editing the rubbish articles you create because (for God's sake) whilst they sometimes do have a grain of scientific accuracy to them (per WP:SPECIESOUTCOMES, I continually need to remove your own WP:OR and other gross errors, or even complete failure to read and comprehend what sources say. I really would love to stop having to check and edit them, but someone needs to look and fix them so as to avoid the embarrassment of misinformation being posted by a well-meaning but sadly barely-competent editor. And your repeated uploading of copyrighted (and misidentified) images is liable to get you blocked from Wikimedia Commons, too, if you want my opinion. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:21, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Alessandrataryn (22:29, 1 April 2022)[edit]

Hey Nick! I created a Wiki page for The Vegan View, a talkshow on YouTube. When will it be live/available? --Alessandrataryn (talk) 22:29, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Alessandrataryn Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Sorry for the delay replying. I'm afraid I cannot see any evidence in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Alessandrataryn your editing contributions' of any such draft article, nor any deleted contributions from you. Perhaps you did not save whatever you drafted?
Either way, because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia of 'notable things' (and not a 'yellow pages' website), we don't allow businesses or YouTube Channels to promote themselves (see WP:PROMOTION) unless they actually meet our clear criteria of notability. For websites like yours, these criteria are laid out on this page, and basically require evidence that mainstream media or non-related sources have written about that website or business in detail and in depth. This requirement for good, independent sources means that we exclude press releases, the businesses' own websites and all insider-sources based on what the business has said about itself. To meet that notability threshold, we would expect to see a minimum of three really good citations to such sources. So, to save you a lot of trouble, you'd be welcome to send me links to three such sources and I could advise you if your website might meet our notability criteria, or not. It could save you a lot of time and wasted effort if they don't.
In addition, because you are clearly connected to the business in some way (employee, owner, presenter, contractor etc.), we would require a clear declaration of what we call a 'conflict of interest' to be placed on your userpage. See WP:COI for details, and it would be far better for an unconnected person to write about The Vegan View.
Creating a new article from scratch is the hardest task for any editor to achieve - and it is even harder if you have no prior experience of editing here at all. We always advise getting some experience in making minor edits elsewhere before attempting an article, and then we recommend creating a draft which can be reviewed and then feedback given. This would be done at Articles for Creation.
So, in essence: if you've joined us purely to promote a non-notable business or website, please use other platforms instead, as it may simply be WP:TOOSOON. I hope this helps. Feel free to post follow-up questions if I am not clear. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:02, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2022-14[edit]

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  • For a few days last week, edits that were suggested to newcomers were not tagged in the Special:RecentChanges feed. This bug has been fixed. [30]

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Administrators' newsletter – April 2022[edit]

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  • Access to Special:RevisionDelete has been expanded to include users who have the deletelogentry and deletedhistory rights. This means that those in the Researcher user group and Checkusers who are not administrators can now access Special:RevisionDelete. The users able to view the special page after this change are the 3 users in the Researcher group, as there are currently no checkusers who are not already administrators. (T301928)
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Tech News: 2022-15[edit]

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  • There is a new public status page at www.wikimediastatus.net. This site shows five automated high-level metrics where you can see the overall health and performance of our wikis' technical environment. It also contains manually-written updates for widespread incidents, which are written as quickly as the engineers are able to do so while also fixing the actual problem. The site is separated from our production infrastructure and hosted by an external service, so that it can be accessed even if the wikis are briefly unavailable. You can read more about this project.
  • On Wiktionary wikis, the software to play videos and audio files on pages has now changed. The old player has been removed. Some audio players will become wider after this change. The new player has been a beta feature for over four years. [32][33]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 April. It will be on all wikis from 14 April (calendar).

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19:43, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

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