User talk:Pigsonthewing
This is a Wikipedia user talk page. This is not an encyclopedia article or the talk page for an encyclopedia article. If you find this page on any site other than Wikipedia, you are viewing a mirror site. Be aware that the page may be outdated and that the user whom this page is about may have no personal affiliation with any site other than Wikipedia. The original talk page is located at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing. |
|
Talk to me, Andy Mabbett[edit]
- If you post a message on this page, I'll reply on this page to avoid fragmenting the discussion.
- If I've left you a message on your talk page, I will be watching it, so please reply there rather than here (but do feel free to drop a copy of {{Talkback}} here).
- If appropriate, I will move discussion from here to the relevant article's talk page, so that anyone interested can join in.
- If you want to start a new discussion thread, please start it at the bottom of the page. Better still, use the "new section" tab next to the "edit this page" tab, or the link at the foot of this section, either of which will do that automatically.
- Please do not make links from within section headings.
- Inaccessible HTML (coloured text, "small" tags, etc.) will be removed from this page on sight. Broken heading or list structures will be fixed.
- Please sign and date your entries by inserting four tildes (~~~~) at the end.
- Start a new discussion.
Wikidata weekly summary #514[edit]
- Discussions
- New requests for permissions/Bot: APSbot 4: Task/s: Regularly create organizations from the Research Organization Registry (ROR - https://ror.org/) that are missing in Wikidata.
- Events
- Upcoming:
- Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call: Adam Schiff (University of Washington), Tyler Rogers (San Diego State University), Julia Gilmore (University of Toronto) on documenting buildings on academic campuses. Agenda with call link, April 5.
- Wikimedia Research Office Hours April 5, 2022
- Wikidata items about theatre and dance productions, April 6 (in French). The same workshop will be offered in English on May 4.
- Talk to the Search Platform / Query Service Team—April 6th, 2022. Date: Wednesday, April 6th, 2022 Time: 15:00-16:00 GMT / 08:00-09:00 PDT / 11:00-12:00 EDT / 16:00-17:00 WAT / 17:00-18:00 CEST Etherpad
- Art+Feminism Community Hours. Theme: Add your Event Data to Wikidata. April 9 at 2pm UTC!
- Ongoing: Weekly Lexemes Challenge #36, Family
- Past: Wikibase live session (March 2022) log
- Upcoming:
- Press, articles, blog posts, videos
- Blogs
- Property exploration: How do I learn more about properties on Wikidata?
- UCSC Ph.D. students dive deep into engineering open-domain dialogue AI with the support of industry partners. "...aims to develop a better system for entity linking, the connection of entities like “Lebron James” or “the Earth” to their various meanings in an existing database of knowledge – in this case, Wikidata..."
- Highlighting linked data projects. "...Cornell University Library, Stanford Libraries, and the School of Library and Information Science at the University of Iowa are engaging in the grant-funded Linked Data for Production project. Broadly, the project uses linked data to show patrons information from outside sources (such as Wikidata) and build longer, more nuanced links between resources".
- Videos
- Other
- FAIR cookbook's recipe "How to Register a Dataset with Wikidata"
- OpenRefine will soon hold its two-yearly survey again. Who wants to help translate the survey to their language? It will take around 45 minutes. There are already translations underway in Spanish and Dutch. Contact User:SFauconnier if you want to help!
- Blogs
- Tool of the week
- Kyrksok.se is an app about Swedish churches based on Wikidata.
- QAnswer is a question answering system based on Wikidata and other projects. Who was the first to create liquid helium? Try it!
- Other Noteworthy Stuff
- Wikidata Query Service scaling update, March 2022 is now available.
- WDQS backend alternatives paper with shortlist of options have been published.
- Did you know?
- Newest properties:
- General datatypes: cantilever sign, supports qualifier, APE code
- External identifiers: Australian Reptile Online Database ID, RSPA modern authors ID, RSPA ancient authors ID, 1905.com film ID, Leafsnap ID, ImagesDéfense ID, TASS Encyclopedia person ID, TASS Encyclopedia country ID, TASS Encyclopedia tag ID, WIPO Pearl term ID, Arizona State Legislators: Then & Now ID, db.narb.by ID, Kayak hotel ID, Melon music video ID, Evil Angel movie ID, ACE Repertory publisher ID, World of Waterfalls ID, IxTheo authority ID, BillionGraves grave ID, eSbírky institution ID, Enciclopedia del Novecento ID, Zotero ID, My [email protected] ID, KSH code (historical), traveloka activities ID, Virginia Tech Dendrology Factsheets ID, SPLC group ID, GuideStar India Organisations-ID, Encyclopedia of China ID (Third Edition), tiket to-do ID
- New property proposals to review:
- General datatypes: oeconym, ISCED Attainment, Per capita income
- External identifiers: Invasive.org species ID, ihg Hotel ID, Monoskop article ID, Le Monde journalist ID, Libération journalist ID, Le Parisien journalist ID, Les Échos journalist ID, L'Humanité journalist ID, L'Opinion journalist ID, Le Figaro journalist ID, Présent author ID, Aldiwan poet ID, Aldiwan poem ID, International Jewish Cemetery Project ID, AccessScience ID, IPU Chamber ID, COL taxon ID, deckenmalerei.eu ID, C-SPAN Person Numeric ID, SRSLY person ID, 100 Years of Alaska's Legislature Bio ID, Indiana State Historical Marker Program numeric ID, Beatport track ID, EIA plant ID, EIA utility ID, Speleologi del passato ID, HuijiWiki article ID, Encyclopedia of Cacti species ID
- Query examples:
- Newest properties:
- Development
- Lexicographical data: Continued work on the new Special:NewLexeme page and focused on displaying sensible error messages if an error occurs during Lexeme creation. We're also working on adding a dropdown for the language variant.
- REST API: Continued work on conditional requests and authorization
- Made use of the new fields added in the wbsearchentities API and added language information to the markup of entity searches that you see when editing a statement or searching with the little searchbox at the top of the page on Wikidata. Now these search results should make a bit more sense to people who use screen readers.
You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.
- Monthly Tasks
- Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
- Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
- Contribute to a Showcase item.
- Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
- Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
- Help write the next summary!
Tech News: 2022-14[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- For a few days last week, edits that were suggested to newcomers were not tagged in the Special:RecentChanges feed. This bug has been fixed. [1]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 April. It will be on all wikis from 7 April (calendar).
- Some wikis will be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. It will be performed on 7 April at 7:00 UTC (targeted wikis).
Future changes
- Starting next week, Tech News' title will be translatable. When the newsletter is distributed, its title may not be
Tech News: 2022-14
anymore. It may affect some filters that have been set up by some communities. [2] - Over the next few months, the "Add a link" Growth feature will become available to more Wikipedias. Each week, a few wikis will get the feature. You can test this tool at a few wikis where "Link recommendation" is already available.
Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.
21:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Pink Floyd reuniting[edit]
As multiple reliable sources such as this one have just announced Pink Floyd reforming, you might want to keep an eye on the core articles. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:01, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, if you've got a mo, I don't suppose you'd be able to address the two [better source needed] tags in Pink Floyd discography? I've tried to do a search but everywhere I look seems to have copied Wikipedia in the first place. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:08, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – April 2022[edit]
News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2022).
- An RfC is open proposing a change to the minimum activity requirements for administrators.
- Access to Special:RevisionDelete has been expanded to include users who have the
deletelogentry
anddeletedhistory
rights. This means that those in the Researcher user group and Checkusers who are not administrators can now access Special:RevisionDelete. The users able to view the special page after this change are the 3 users in the Researcher group, as there are currently no checkusers who are not already administrators. (T301928) - When viewing deleted revisions or diffs on Special:Undelete a back link to the undelete page for the associated page is now present. (T284114)
- Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures § Opening of proceedings has been updated to reflect current practice following a motion.
- A arbitration case regarding Skepticism and coordinated editing has been closed.
- A arbitration case regarding WikiProject Tropical Cyclones has been opened.
- Voting for the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement guidelines has closed, and the results were that 56.98% of voters supported the guidelines. The results of this vote mean the Wikimedia Foundation Board will now review the guidelines.
Andriy Khlyvnyuk[edit]
As I was attempting to move the article about Andriy Khlyvnyuk, my keyboard stopped working after I accidentally changed it to Andriy K. Is there anything you can do to move it to his actual name? Zvig47 (talk) 20:42, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Zvig47: Andriy Khlyvnyuk already exists, so sadly no. Please ask on WP:AN.
"Hey, Hey, Rise Up!" Credits do not need to be sourced per the logic of MOS:ALBUM[edit]
Hi. Per what MOS:ALBUM says—which certainly would apply to songs as well if we don't have to do it for albums—credits do not need to be sourced. The album itself is considered the source (i.e. the liner notes). In this case, the single also has digital liner notes, and it's not considered appropriate to link to Spotify, Apple Music and other webstores selling products per WP:AFFILIATE, so I didn't. I don't see how simple details about the song are contentious—you made previous reference to Spotify in edit summaries on this article, and I said I took the writers and producers from Spotify as well. Also, if this is even a concern, why did you only remove Andriy Khlyvnyuk but not Gilmour or Stephan Charnetskii? They're not sourced or mentioned in the prose as writers either. I suppose if you don't accept even this, a citation using Template:Cite AV media notes could be added. Ss112 21:57, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Gilmour and Charnetskii are both cited to the Guardian piece, among others. There is no free pass for uncited material in MOS:ALBUM. In viewing the Spotify web page I see no writer credits, let alone one for Khlyvnyuk. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:16, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- To add to what Andy said, a while back the studio information on the Obscured by Clouds infobox got changed to something factually incorrect by a series of Chinese whispers; with proper sourcing, this is less likely to happen. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:10, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Pigsonthewing, you cannot view credits on Spotify by simply going to the web browser version of Spotify. It's a Spotify app feature. On the app, click on the three dots to the right of the song. Select "show credits". There it has David Gilmour, Andriy Khlyvnyuk and Stepan Charnetskii listed as writers. I didn't just invent this—I told you how to access the source and even cited the liner notes as a compromise. MOS:ALBUM states: "Track listings can be sourced to liner notes (WP:PRIMARY) as a definitive WP:VERIFIABLE source without the usual WP:SECONDARY sourcing requirements of most Wikipedia content. This is generally assumed and does not need explicit citation in most cases." (WP:TRACKLIST). Then, the section WP:PERSONNEL: "it is generally assumed that a personnel section is sourced from the liner notes". @Ritchie333: I also don't know this is now a "traditional" credit considering that's not what Spotify states. I don't see how the Obscured by Clouds example is relevant. This is not "Chinese whispers", it's from a source, which I then even cited on the article. I never disputed that in cases where there is contention, it's good to cite a source, which is what I did here. Ss112 13:25, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
April songs[edit]
I'd like to know where the blank line that I see above this line comes from, that I see whenever I use this template but don't see in preview, and if anything can be done to get rid of this waste of space? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:57, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
memories: two people on DYK, both connected to Oper Frankfurt, and don't miss yesterday's video of Pink Floyd given to me! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
When I place the header above the QAIbox, I get a strange extra line, which is new, and distorts the layout for all thousands of previous uses. When I place the header below, it's fine. The extra line doesn't show in preview, - it gets inserted with the header, so changing the template would not help - my understanding. What can I do about the old ones? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:21, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- It's beyond my ken, but is probably related to CSS box model. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:23, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #515[edit]
- Discussions
- Open request for adminship: Stang (RfP scheduled to end after 14 April 2022 12:18 UTC)
- New requests for permissions/Bot:
- Botcrux 10. Task/s: Change publication date (P577) of scientific articles from "1 January YYYY" to just "YYYY".
- Pi bot 25. Task/s: Wikidata:Properties for deletion maintenance
- Events
- Upcoming:
- Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #104, April 17th at 12.00 UTC
- The next Wikidata+Wikibase office hours will take place on Wednesday, April 20th 2022 at 17:00 UTC (18:00 Berlin time) in the Wikidata Telegram group. The Wikidata and Wikibase office hours are online events where the development team presents what they have been working on over the past quarter, and the community is welcome to ask questions and discuss important issues related to the development of Wikidata and Wikibase.
- April 26, Ghent, Belgium: public OpenRefine data cleaning workshop and meet&greet with the OpenRefine team, including preview of Structured Data on Commons functionalities. Physical event, free, sign up via this link.
- Wiki Workshop 2022 - Registration open! The event is virtually held on April 25, 12:00-18:30 UTC
- April 22nd - 24th, from Wiki Mentor Africa, A three days workshop on Linking biodiversity data through wikidata using Webaps and jupyter notebooks to attend, register here
- May 5th: Wikidata Bug Triage Hour, open discussion. Come with your favorite Phabricator task and we will improve its description together.
- DigAMus goes Wikidata workshop: make digital projects in museums visible and findable. April 29, 3-5 p.m. TIB Open Science Lab. Register here.
- Ongoing: Weekly Lexemes Challenge #37, Numbers
- Upcoming:
- Press, articles, blog posts, videos
- Blogs
- Papers
- A formalization of one of the main claims of “Cortex reorganization of Xenopus laevis eggs in strong static magnetic fields” by Mietchen et al. 2005 (uses Wikidata identifiers for statements)
- A formalization of one of the main claims of “Creative Commons licenses and the non-commercial condition: Implications for the re-use of biodiversity information” by Hagedorn et al. 2011 (uses Wikidata identifiers for statements)
- Videos
- Wikidata Query Service Tutorial in Tunisian by Houcemeddine Turki (WikiConference RU 2021 - Part 1, Part 2)
- Live Coding - PyORCIDAtor, integrating ORCID with Wikidata - YouTube
- How to add location coordinates to Wikidata Items (in Dagbani) - YouTube
- Bundestag + Wikidata = Open Parliament TV (in German) - YouTube
- Tool of the week
- Other Noteworthy Stuff
- The Wikidata MOOC (online course) has been developed by Wikimedia France, involving several French-speaking Wikidata editors. The first version of the course will start on April 26 (in French only - registration here)
- OpenRefine is running a short survey to learn about user needs and expectations for the new Structured Data on Commons extension for OpenRefine, which is in the process of being developed. If you upload files to Wikimedia Commons and/or edit structured data there, please help by filling in the survey!
- Wikibase cloud update (April): the closed beta of Wikibase.cloud is planned to start in mid-April. If you want to apply for closed beta access, please register with this form.
- Did you know?
- Newest properties:
- General datatypes: APE code, maintains linking to, academic calendar type, taxonomic treatment, co-applicant, applicant, P10604, notable role
- External identifiers: traveloka activities ID, Virginia Tech Dendrology Factsheets ID, SPLC group ID, GuideStar India Organisations ID, Encyclopedia of China ID (Third Edition), tiket to-do ID, Speleologi del passato ID, L'Humanité journalist ID, L'Opinion journalist ID, Le Monde journalist ID, Le Figaro journalist ID, Le Parisien journalist ID, Les Échos journalist ID, Libération journalist ID, Intesa Sanpaolo Historical Archive Map ID, Monoskop article ID, IDU foreign theatre ID, IDU theatre building ID, IDU theatrical ensemble ID, Cameroun COG, Author ID from the Modern Discussion website, SRSLY person ID, FAOTERM ID, Catalogue of Life ID, Trovo ID, IFPI GTIN, MangaDex title ID, All.Rugby club ID, traveloka restaurant ID, maPZS trails/locations ID, Kinowiki ID, marriott hotel ID, Chuvash Encyclopedia person ID, Chuvash Encyclopedia place ID, Chuvash Encyclopedia topic ID, HarperCollins product ID, Atlas of Cultural Heritage Calabria cultural place ID, XJustiz registration court ID, Atlante Beni Culturali Calabria item ID
- New property proposals to review:
- General datatypes: является автором художественной выставки, shoe color, government debt-to-GDP ratio, National Historical Museums of Sweden object ID, class of property value, has group, name of victim, Tracks featured in work, smb.museum digital ID
- External identifiers: HuijiWiki article ID, Encyclopedia of Cacti species ID, bebyggelseområdeskod i Sverige, Israeli Opera site person id, FISH Archaeological Objects Thesaurus Identifier, Musik und Gender im Internet ID, IRIS Piedmont IDs, Slovak Olympic athlete ID, MINEDEX, Library of the Haskala ID
- Query examples:
- Most popular Chess openings (by number of sitelinks) (source)
- Random set of popular ("having more than 20 site links") items (source)
- Wikimedia affiliates on social media (source)
- Listed viaducts in the UK (source)
- Pages linked to the University of Clermont according to the number of articles on Wikimedia projects (source)
- Which languages share a word for the same thing (visualized as a tree map). e.g. planet (source)
- Newest properties:
- Development
- Lexicographical data: Continued work on the new Special:NewLexeme page. We worked on displaying error messages and inferring the spelling variant from the language. We also looked into the non-JavaScript version of the page.
- REST API: Worked on conditional requests (do not return data the client already has) and authorization.
You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.
- Monthly Tasks
- Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
- Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
- Contribute to a Showcase item.
- Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
- Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
- Help write the next summary!
Tech News: 2022-15[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- There is a new public status page at www.wikimediastatus.net. This site shows five automated high-level metrics where you can see the overall health and performance of our wikis' technical environment. It also contains manually-written updates for widespread incidents, which are written as quickly as the engineers are able to do so while also fixing the actual problem. The site is separated from our production infrastructure and hosted by an external service, so that it can be accessed even if the wikis are briefly unavailable. You can read more about this project.
- On Wiktionary wikis, the software to play videos and audio files on pages has now changed. The old player has been removed. Some audio players will become wider after this change. The new player has been a beta feature for over four years. [3][4]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 April. It will be on all wikis from 14 April (calendar).
Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.
19:43, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
This Month in GLAM: March 2022[edit]
|
Miocene[edit]
What's with the edits to Miocene? I honestly came here expecting to find a vandalism-only username, but you seem to be a legitimate contributing editor -- except for those edits. Is it possible someone has hacked your username? --Kent G. Budge (talk) 14:05, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- If my edits are - in your view - so bad, how come you are unable to say what you believe to be wrong with them? See also Wikipedia:DNRNE. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:25, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- I see what you were doing now, and it's fine. Apologies for misreading -- I thought you had replaced specific age ranges with a generic "millions of years", which looked very much like vandalism. I see now that the age ranges are intact; you've merely removed the repeated "Ma" and added an explanation to the table header, which is fine. Apologies again. --Kent G. Budge (talk) 14:52, 14 April 2022 (UTC)