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Wikidata weekly summary #514[edit]

Tech News: 2022-14[edit]

21:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Pink Floyd reuniting[edit]

As multiple reliable sources such as this one have just announced Pink Floyd reforming, you might want to keep an eye on the core articles. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:01, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, if you've got a mo, I don't suppose you'd be able to address the two [better source needed] tags in Pink Floyd discography? I've tried to do a search but everywhere I look seems to have copied Wikipedia in the first place. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:08, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – April 2022[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2022).

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Technical news

  • Access to Special:RevisionDelete has been expanded to include users who have the deletelogentry and deletedhistory rights. This means that those in the Researcher user group and Checkusers who are not administrators can now access Special:RevisionDelete. The users able to view the special page after this change are the 3 users in the Researcher group, as there are currently no checkusers who are not already administrators. (T301928)
  • When viewing deleted revisions or diffs on Special:Undelete a back link to the undelete page for the associated page is now present. (T284114)

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Andriy Khlyvnyuk[edit]

As I was attempting to move the article about Andriy Khlyvnyuk, my keyboard stopped working after I accidentally changed it to Andriy K. Is there anything you can do to move it to his actual name? Zvig47 (talk) 20:42, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Zvig47: Andriy Khlyvnyuk already exists, so sadly no. Please ask on WP:AN.

"Hey, Hey, Rise Up!" Credits do not need to be sourced per the logic of MOS:ALBUM[edit]

Hi. Per what MOS:ALBUM says—which certainly would apply to songs as well if we don't have to do it for albums—credits do not need to be sourced. The album itself is considered the source (i.e. the liner notes). In this case, the single also has digital liner notes, and it's not considered appropriate to link to Spotify, Apple Music and other webstores selling products per WP:AFFILIATE, so I didn't. I don't see how simple details about the song are contentious—you made previous reference to Spotify in edit summaries on this article, and I said I took the writers and producers from Spotify as well. Also, if this is even a concern, why did you only remove Andriy Khlyvnyuk but not Gilmour or Stephan Charnetskii? They're not sourced or mentioned in the prose as writers either. I suppose if you don't accept even this, a citation using Template:Cite AV media notes could be added. Ss112 21:57, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gilmour and Charnetskii are both cited to the Guardian piece, among others. There is no free pass for uncited material in MOS:ALBUM. In viewing the Spotify web page I see no writer credits, let alone one for Khlyvnyuk. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:16, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To add to what Andy said, a while back the studio information on the Obscured by Clouds infobox got changed to something factually incorrect by a series of Chinese whispers; with proper sourcing, this is less likely to happen. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:10, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pigsonthewing, you cannot view credits on Spotify by simply going to the web browser version of Spotify. It's a Spotify app feature. On the app, click on the three dots to the right of the song. Select "show credits". There it has David Gilmour, Andriy Khlyvnyuk and Stepan Charnetskii listed as writers. I didn't just invent this—I told you how to access the source and even cited the liner notes as a compromise. MOS:ALBUM states: "Track listings can be sourced to liner notes (WP:PRIMARY) as a definitive WP:VERIFIABLE source without the usual WP:SECONDARY sourcing requirements of most Wikipedia content. This is generally assumed and does not need explicit citation in most cases." (WP:TRACKLIST). Then, the section WP:PERSONNEL: "it is generally assumed that a personnel section is sourced from the liner notes". @Ritchie333: I also don't know this is now a "traditional" credit considering that's not what Spotify states. I don't see how the Obscured by Clouds example is relevant. This is not "Chinese whispers", it's from a source, which I then even cited on the article. I never disputed that in cases where there is contention, it's good to cite a source, which is what I did here. Ss112 13:25, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
April songs
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April songs[edit]

I'd like to know where the blank line that I see above this line comes from, that I see whenever I use this template but don't see in preview, and if anything can be done to get rid of this waste of space? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:57, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

memories: two people on DYK, both connected to Oper Frankfurt, and don't miss yesterday's video of Pink Floyd given to me! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When I place the header above the QAIbox, I get a strange extra line, which is new, and distorts the layout for all thousands of previous uses. When I place the header below, it's fine. The extra line doesn't show in preview, - it gets inserted with the header, so changing the template would not help - my understanding. What can I do about the old ones? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:21, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's beyond my ken, but is probably related to CSS box model. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:23, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #515[edit]

Tech News: 2022-15[edit]

19:43, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

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Miocene[edit]

What's with the edits to Miocene? I honestly came here expecting to find a vandalism-only username, but you seem to be a legitimate contributing editor -- except for those edits. Is it possible someone has hacked your username? --Kent G. Budge (talk) 14:05, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If my edits are - in your view - so bad, how come you are unable to say what you believe to be wrong with them? See also Wikipedia:DNRNE. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:25, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you were doing now, and it's fine. Apologies for misreading -- I thought you had replaced specific age ranges with a generic "millions of years", which looked very much like vandalism. I see now that the age ranges are intact; you've merely removed the repeated "Ma" and added an explanation to the table header, which is fine. Apologies again. --Kent G. Budge (talk) 14:52, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]