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thanks i would love to :-) but would be not so wise for me to do so. did u consider labeling some false facts as irrational, while some people find them rational, while it has been proven to be false as a fact? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DenniZr (talk • contribs) 15:13, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

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Source of my name

I recently saw your post on my talk page related to the translation of the article Kithaab. I would like to have the link of the page from where you got my name.Adithyak1997 (talk) 08:43, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

here Bookku (talk) 09:01, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

But I have actually removed my name. Just confirm whether you can find my name in the present list.Adithyak1997 (talk) 09:07, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

I did not notice that properly. Sorry, for inconvenience if any. Bookku (talk) 09:12, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Kithaab

done spanish version, a very interesting and encouraging article, thanks --Mboix (talk) 14:22, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

@User:Mboix, I took encyclopedic note of the struggle section of our humanity is going through. It is very nice of you to support this effort by translating the article to your language. It seems some one from Catalan also translated the article. Hope and wish more languages to join in.

Thanks again and warm regards

Bookku (talk) 09:12, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

I have an Italian Wikipedia friend named Kenzia who is active in feminism; she and I have traded translations with each other. Perhaps she might be willing to translate Kithaab into Italian. Johanna-Hypatia (talk) 06:22, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

I am willing to translate it in Urdu which is my national language. Just give me few days and i will update here.

--Umeedawan (talk) 11:30, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I will translate it to Tulu --Kavitha G. Kana (talk) 17:30, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

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Sorry for the delay

Hi, sorry for the delay in my answer to your message, I have just seen it. I'm very sorry, but for the moment I have no time for Wikipedia. If you are looking for help on gender issues in the italian Wikipedia, you can write in the discussion page of the italian Project WikiDonne. You can find it at this link [1]. Kind regards, --Kenzia (talk) 08:28, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

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Aurat

Hi Bookku, I have removed mention of Awrah from Aurat because 'Aurat' is not mentioned anywhere in Awrah. If you wish, you could add a discussion/mention of Aurat to Awrah, then it could be added back to Aurat. Leschnei (talk) 15:41, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

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Request of Help

I was looking for some small help. I created an article User:Bookku/Me Too movement (Pakistan) in user namespace. Article is almost ready but before taking to main namespace Looking for help in English language Spell-check, punctuation, grammar check and corrections. Using better alternative words etc. Thanks in advance.

Bookku (talk) 14:17, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Me Too movement (Pakistan)‎

I've made it through the draft and still would encourage you to clarify with Earwig for any copyvios. In the future, may I suggest two rules for creating articles, as even in a draft copyright violations are unacceptable on wikipedia:

• Never copy and paste anything into a Wikipedia article/draft.
• Always write information in your own words.

If you are satisfied with the article but unable to move it to mainspace yourself, post again on Women in Red and someone will be glad to assist. I would not recommend submitting the draft to Articles for Creation, as they are backlogged. Happy editing. SusunW (talk) 21:16, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@ SusunW

Hello, once again I don't have words for your great & timely support & guidance. As suggested by you I used Earwig & replaced a little more grammar & words. While doing so some times I get uncomfortable feeling to compromise grammar & words & dilute impact of original author just for the copyvio sake, I understand there is no other way out.

Any ways as suggested by you, I took article in main name space & just now some one assessed article to 'B' class & I am happy. Almost a year back I added period wise formatting to article Feminism in Pakistan besides created one more article Aurat March coming month some time I will update them if time permits.

Thanks again & warm regards

Bookku (talk) 15:27, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Glad to be able to help. Feel free to ping me should you need help in the future and I will try. :) SusunW (talk) 16:28, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

SusunW In last week some time I had created a stub article about a Pakistani feminist Sadia Khatri who works on unavailability of public spaces to Pakistani women but due to lack of enough sources left in between.

There was one more feminist Sabeen Mahmud who paid with her life for defending women right of choice, so last couple of days worked on article User:Bookku/Valentine's Day in Pakistan if you can spare some time for this article too I will be obliged.

Next I want to work on more feminist views / perspectives on Hijab day but that will take longer time for me.

Thanks & warm regards

Bookku (talk) 12:39, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Booku, I'll get to them over the next few days. If you need more urgent help, you might post on Women in Red. SusunW (talk) 20:11, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

SusunW Thanks, you can take your time. Actually this article I am looking for paragraph chronology support -which you are good at- apart from regular copy edit support.

Since on previous article you faced edit war, this time I will be posting requests on talk pages with gap of a day or so.

Thanks & warm regards

Bookku (talk) 03:44, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry that I am so slow, but because I am unfamiliar with the topics you write about, I read the sources before I rework the sections. I have finished with Valentine's Day. Please feel free to revert or make any changes if you do not agree with my edits. SusunW (talk) 20:37, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

@ SusunW,

My previous article Aurat March has been tagged with "This article provides insufficient context for those unfamiliar with the subject", Which I still need to address. This time I provided context and got tagged for being "essay like". When it comes to human rights my edges are usually sharp; you helped smooth those sharp edges and being encyclopedic. Being unfamiliar helps you in maintaining neutrality too.

At the most I can put in good amount of online research and collation Where as you have got all encyclopedic skills plus will to support and I am very much thankful to you for the same.

• Request for revisit

Only 2 places I wish if you can revisit

1) At intro paragraph "...supported by merchants who can increase their prices during the week preceding February 14th."

My earlier purpose of mention of 'increase of price' was to indirectly indicate that there is demand in the Market that means it's a popular celebration.

Critics do have different version against commercial establishment benefiting from and supporting the celebrations.

2) Subsection heading "Against" in section "Public reaction" One is we have already covered main against group in detail in 'Antagonism' section. Second is the group suggesting substitution seem to play more of 'escapist' role by employing diversion.

I couldn't think of alternative word for subsection title "Against" as of now, but may be we can explore some different title in days to come.

As said earlier, I am very much pleased with your kind proactive support. Thanks and warm regards.

Bookku (talk) 12:12, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

I did some copyediting to clean up grammar, etc. David notMD (talk) 14:37, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Shirkat gah moved to draftspace

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Looking for help

Hello. Surely I will write the article in Kannada — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yakshitha (talk • contribs) 03:28, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Resources for improving articles

Hi Bookku. Thank you for your contributions. If you haven't already, I suggest you check out WP:COPYEDITORS and WP:PR. They are both great for resources to improve articles. Best, TJMSmith (talk) 11:10, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

I did a bit of copyediting on Aurat March. I hope I did not change any meaning. David notMD (talk) 20:14, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Thanks for your valuable support in copy edit. Political criticism from both ends was tounge-in tongue in cheek & copy editing bit tricky, your support has been helpful one. Article still needs few more details I would do that in coming weeks.

Thanks again & warm regards

Bookku (talk) 12:35, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

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Mi cuerpo es mío

Hello, nice to greet you again! the most used expression in Spanish that you refer to is "Mi cuerpo es mío" "My body is mine" and indeed the call for women in the registry was a performance by the artist Yolanda Dominguez. https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yolanda_Dom%C3%ADnguez

You can learn more about the action in these two newspaper texts:

https://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/registro-mercantil-Madrid-estudiara-inscripcion_0_227477549.html

https://elpais.com/politica/2014/02/06/actualidad/1391707776_096749.html

But as Veronica León Buch says in:

Beyond the body: feminism as an emancipatory project:
http://www.mujeresenred.net/spip.php?article2202

"My body is mine", a slogan that emerged in the second wave of feminism, has remained a milestone to denounce violence against women and promote the decriminalization of abortion. It seems important to me to point out how this type of slogan, which I myself used for years, beyond the importance of the causes it claims, hides an ambiguous post-feminist discourse, which calls us to display greater creativity and critical spirit in search of new concepts. The first ambiguity is in the emphasis on the body, reinforcing its objectification: we own the body, we are not. This language fails to question the imaginaries that reduce us to a body or to be its administrators. Linked to this idea is that of commodification, through the language of property. Capitalism has taken pains to invent property mechanisms - property titles, patents, intellectual property - to commercialize what was previously non-transferable: land, ideas, knowledge. Thus, actions such as the one carried out in Spain, from going to the Property Registry to registering their bodies, from a capitalist point of view represents the first step to be able to trade it. Associating property rights, something characteristic of neoliberalism, weakens other possibilities, such as proposing non-appropriable and non-merchantable intangibles: air, water, human beings ... And finally, although this slogan promotes the Autonomy also points to individualization. Being mine, am I responsible for what happens to that body? Even if it is not violated? Wouldn't it make more sense to expect that, as a society, we all watch together so that no person is ever raped? The neoliberal imaginary always seeks to disarticulate societies, individualizing their problems, placing all responsibility on the choices of each person, while making invisible the external factors that condition and the economic structure designed to generate inequality.

Building autonomy and a sense of connection with oneself is still fundamental for women, but perhaps it makes more sense to think of discourses that reaffirm us as subjects. This type of slogan has also not been the most effective in promoting abortion decriminalization. In countries where it has been decriminalized, feminists knew how to position it as a problem of public health and social exclusion: while wealthy women abort in all safety, humble women die from aborting in conditions of risk. Abortion is more related to a decision about being a mother than to the body and it is pertinent to approach it from there: motherhood cannot be an imposition, it is a very serious decision that requires an endless number of emotional and material conditions. Tackling it from the body, on the other hand, places it as a dispute between individuals and States over the control of that object-body, failing to position ourselves as subjects and questioning the pardon that men enjoy in the matter. This type of language anchored in individualism and the body, in addition, has failed to generate consensus in public opinion - without which politicians hardly risk it - but has generated adverse reactions. And it is that along with neoliberalism we have also seen the resurgence of old traditions and fundamentalisms, a symptom of a failed revolution.

--Mboix (talk) 12:58, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Talk page spamming

Posting the same thing to 86 different talk pages just might get you blocked from editing. - dcljr (talk) 08:42, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry , that is in good faith I was not aware of any such restriction. To be neutral from my side I ended up posting on more talk pages

Bookku (talk) 08:51, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Posting requests for help on the talk pages of articles that are at best tangentially connected to your topic is not constructive. Please consider removing them. The appropriate place for these sorts of requests is relevant wikiprojects, such as the literature and Islam wikiprojects, which I note you have already posted on. CMD (talk) 09:05, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry I did not know. In one of previous article some one objected me saying you are partial informing specific set so this time I took couple of others but most are related by language literature or art. I will remove which I understand may help you. And you also can suggest or remove some of them in good faith. Thanks for your support Bookku (talk) 09:26, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

It is useful to request input for multiple places, but the number of places should probably be far less than 86. I'd say stick to a handful of the most relevant wikiprojects, and articles if very closely related. CMD (talk) 17:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks

Bookku, Thanks for the thanks, I greatly appreciate the acknowledgement that my edits are acceptable. But there's really no need to do it for every edit. Rwood128 (talk) 13:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

:) Okay, point noted. Greetings Bookku (talk) 14:09, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Qisas disambiguation

Hi bookku - I'm not sure why you left this request on my talk page since I don't know anything about Arabic, but I've tidied up Qisas_(disambiguation) and edited for style (see Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Disambiguation_pages for more information). I also added a disambig link at the top of Qisas Al-Anbiya. Hope this helps. Bookgrrl ^holler/lookee here 13:29, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks it's nice of you. Since I found your some old message on Talk:Qisas Al-Anbiya I thought I should keep you informed. Thanks and many greetings

Bookku (talk) 13:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

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Battle of Khanwa third opinion

Hey, thanks again for mediating in our discussion earlier. 183.83.146.34 and I have both agreed that we would like to take you up on your offer to write the quote summary for us. I personally feel it is the best way to conclude our dispute, so I would really appreciate your input once more. Thank you.
Alivardi (talk) 11:35, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

@Aparajita: & @183.83.146.34: Thanks, hopefully I will do the same by tomorrow or so. You can discuss further if needed on my summary and finalize. Thanks again and greetings to you both. Bookku (talk) 14:31, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For going above and beyond in your efforts to resolve the dispute on the Battle of Khanwa. Keep up the good work! Alivardi (talk) 20:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks

Definitely I will assist you Hope this File:Indian Woman, Trinidad (13226374243).jpg may help you Majun e Baqi (talk) 05:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC) to add in Aurat(cultural woman)

Thanks, In Draft:Aurat, from South Asian side, I am also looking for assistance in adding information with refs regarding

1) 'tasawoor of Aurat' in Urdu and Hindi literature/biographies/poetry/drama/movies'. (Romanization of spelling of 'tasawoor' seems to have been done differently by different scholars 'tasawwor' etc.)

2) Various associate metaphors like 'Damaan', 'Chunari' 'Daaman', 'aanchal' 'chunari', 'Purdah', 'Kangan', 'Payal', 'Kajal' etc. that help describing cultural background of 'Aurat' as women.

Thanks again for your proactive support.

Bookku (talk) 07:00, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

https://www.lexico.com/definition/kajal definition of Kajal from R.S

Payal from R.s http://www.theunstitchd.com/women/payal/

बिछिया from https://m-hindi.webdunia.com/astrology-articles/benefits-of-ornament-gold-and-silver-jewelry-bangles-118080600076_1.html%3famp=1

https://www.utsavpedia.com/cultural-connections/defining-traditional-vision-kohl/ Majun e Baqi (talk) 07:27, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not looking for just dictionary definitions and general information , but as Metaphor associated with Aurat.

Metaphor is defined as "a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable." For example "Daaman" being 'pak' or 'Napak' means here we don't take Daaman literally. Or "Daag/ Spot" in Chunari etc. Or another example would be in old Indian movies show two flowers touching each other instead of Hero Heroin becoming intimate.

And again how these metaphors help express cultural life of Aurat. Few of metaphors will be available in English sources online. I am looking for help from various Indian and Pakistani language sources like Urdu, Sindhi, Hindi literature / drama /movies etc. I suppose those would be available at least to some extent online one will need to take search in those languages.

Searching with Tasawwoor Aurat also gives some Urdu language sources. I am looking for including such information.

Thanks for your help Bookku (talk) 09:00, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Bokku could you please provide me any English metaphor for aurat, so I may assist you to find in other languages Majun e Baqi (talk) 07:30, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Since you asked I will give you few examples. But rather I prefer if one starts from non-English languages, so you can start from native languages and include positive impressions on traditional minds of people better. Feminists agree that South Asian women are represented as "cultural emblem". But they avoid describing what does "Cultural emblem" tasawwoor 'cultural image' means; that meaning needs to be caught from native language literature; we don't find much traditional image relating to 'haya' etc.much in English descriptions where you find it more times it will be critical. You will find usually more of mentions in English are critical. In Wikipedia we have to cover both rather all aspects positive impressions in traditional minds and criticism too. Any ways since you asked I give few example.

• in this one metaphor of 'Suna angan' vis a vis 'tanha aurat' has been analyzed. In this Rekhti related book Gender, Sex, and the City: Urdu Rekhti Poetry in India, 1780-1870 metaphor of 'Kasbi Aurat' is discussed, a Pakistani academic journal [jgsi.fjwu.edu.pk/jgsi/article/view/61 Gender Representation through Animal Metaphors] discusses metaphors vis a vis animals like "Oont ki pakar aur aurat kay maker.." etc. but again as I said If you start from English you will remain in only critical circle, other side of the image in minds of North South Asia i.e. North India and Pakistan will not get proper representation without covering Urdu and Hindi sources for image tasawwoor of south Asian 'Aurat' and related metaphors. IMHO.

Thanks

Bookku (talk) 11:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

(Ghar ki lakshmi) betiyan refer to an unmarried woman in Indian culture, In hindi (घर की लक्ष्मी ) बेटियां in metaphor a woman is compared to lakshmi considered by Hindus as goddess, it is very famous metaphor for thisMajun e Baqi (talk) 16:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Exactly while some Femists and liberal even other religious thoughts would criticize such metaphors, traditional people of that culture take it positively, discussing such metaphors help understand cultural nuances and cultural image. I suppose such refs would be available in ample numbers in Hindi and Urdu literature drama and movies. I am looking for development of the article on similar lines. Thanks again for your support to the article. Bookku (talk) 16:49, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

You can state with above metaphor like in Hindu culture......, I think if you will write in this manner it may not be criticized, anyway I will try to find better one lolMajun e Baqi (talk) 22:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Fourth Opinion

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Sexual politics - question

Hey - just wanted to make sure you'd seen my final question to you the other day about whether you're fine if I take the "sexual politics" draft you've got and just "do it live", as a certain famous demagogue put it? Cleopatran Apocalypse (talk) 12:38, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

@Cleopatran Apocalypse: greetings. Personally I would't have issues. But my personal experience on Wikipedia up till now does not make me enthusiastic of that prospect. As you suggest, well linked space is supposed to bring in more authors from diverse fields. But unfortunately I do not find Wikipedia environment friendly enough. Here curators over ride encyclopedic writers, they don't do even curation but only put up intimidating hat note notices and intimidate genuine encyclopedic writers too in various manners.

Curators want articles spick and span right from first moment. Right now article does not have even two paragraphs, they might harass the article like nothing.

As said above I have my reservations not to your idea but about restrictive Wikipedia culture, Still I leave that to your conscience and good faith. Thanks and best wishes. Bookku (talk) 16:48, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks friend. Though I have no taste for the company or the individual who founded it, I generally try to follow the Facebook motto of "move fast and break things." Doesn't always work, but it seems the best way to do things. I wouldn't worry about the haters. Just do good work, do it for fun, and keep doing it! The interest for me in your alerting me to this article is that it is the overarching theme that was tying together some of my recent professional and wikipedia interests, and I didn't quite realize that this was the uniting concept. I was examining different parts of the elephant, but didn't know that Sexual Politics was actually the elephant. Cleopatran Apocalypse (talk) 02:00, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I do concur with your metaphor of 'the elephant' for sexual politics. You seem to be really enthusiastic then I would support you whole heart. Pl. do go ahead with your plan of trimming and moving to main space. We will see what happens.

At my speed of research and expansion of article it is likely to take couple of more months more. If your steps succeed in getting more editors to write it will help me save my effort and energy quite a bit.

Looking forwards to steps you take. Thanks for your enthusiastic support, and best wishes. Bookku (talk) 10:12, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the Kithaab on Japanese Wikipedia

I tried to create it but it was deleted on the Japanese Wikipedia as the Japanese Wikipedia did not want this article I find that really odd since other Wikipedia languages have the article include the English, Chinese and Malayalam Wikipedia languages 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 17:10, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

@1.Ayana:, First of all many many thanks for all the efforts you did put in.

I searched deletion log in ja.wikipedia.org and also on English Wikipedia. I did not find any deletion up till now. How did you write Page title Kithaab in Japanese script, I will try to search deletion log with that on Japanese Wikipedia.

Since you have already done effort, I will try to know more about the issue on Japanese Wikipedia since not only Chinese but many other major languages including German, French, Russian do have the article.

Waiting for your response. Thanks and warm regards

Bookku (talk) 08:04, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

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Superstitions in Muslim societies

You are doing it wrong. You spammed those links in dozens of article Talk pages, where they do not belong. Instead, you should post that thing once - in a WP page that seems appropriate to you, such as WP:FTN. --Hob Gadling (talk) 13:32, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

AfD

Hi after our exchange here I wanted to get in touch with you. I don't remember seeing your name in discussions at Articles for Deletion before, so I'm not sure how familiar you are with its procedures. Basically it goes like this - if you see an article on a topic you think is not notable, you do a ton of work searching for sources, and if nothing useful turns up, you nominate it at AFD and set out a case for why the topic does not belong on Wikipedia. There are borderline cases where the nominator is not certain and is asking the community for consensus. Nominating articles without doing this research, without clearly stating a rationale for deletion, and nominating them while another discussion is going on about the article elsewhere, is not going to win you any friends and may be considered disruptive. It takes a lot of work to nominate an article and if you see something you think ought to be deleted in future, please feel free to ask me for help. All the best Mccapra (talk) 11:02, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your guidance. I was particularly concerned with statement "...Since there's no clear connection between superstition and particular religions, the current article seem to be a fake topic with a PoV to advance (or is easily taken for one, whatever the intent was)...." I did not and do not know how to co-related that with notability issues and AfD rules. That part of the statement made me to seek AfD community feed back. Thanks Bookku (talk) 12:07, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Why?

I have no idea why I received this notification from you. Best as I can tell, I was never involved with it. Could you please explain this? Paradoctor (talk) 14:33, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello greetings, In brief to seek inputs from wider audience. Since editors to Superstition in Judaism were limited I selected few from history of Template:Superstition (Where I found you had edited template) to include users with unknown or limited interest and few from Talk:Superstition in neutral fashion (I included even those were opposed to superstition related article and were deletionist and also those who supported superstition related articles or did some edit.

If one selects people having high interest then also is objectionable for not being neutral enough. If one cares for neutrality and includes users with limited interest then like you they can get angry.

I regret if it inconvenienced you. Best wishes Bookku (talk) 14:51, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

This is called WP:CANVASSING. Stop it. Paradoctor (talk) 16:54, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

What WP:AfD says is one should not be biased and I was not biased. Still I expressed my regrets to you. Hope this helps. Bookku (talk) 16:59, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

WP:AfD: All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.

WP:CANVASSING: Posting an excessive number of messages to individual users, or to users with no significant connection to the topic at hand. (my emphasis) Paradoctor (talk) 18:20, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

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		Excellent work on Aurat March. Zakaria1978 ښه راغلاست (talk) 23:56, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

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Aurats

Unfortunately, it is far from my expertise. Maria Sieglinda von Nudeldorf (talk) 20:49, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

"Enforced disappearance of Mushtaq Mahar" listed at Redirects for discussion

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• Hi Bookku, hope you would be fine. I wanted to get back to you regarding this redirect's discussion but got busy with studies as educational institutions were reopened for sometime in the country but discussion got closed before that. From past couple of weeks I wanted to clarify myself about what you complained in that discussion over pointing you as Indian editor and presuming antecedents on your part and phishing to compromise your privacy. So let me be straight, it was not even directed towards you. I just said it in general since most of the editors editing those articles then were seemingly Indians and their tone was not encyclopedic and NPOV was disregarded and articles were burdened. Sindh Police article afterwards was cleaned by many editors and even after your last edit on it, some editors further cleaned, copyedited and removed unsourced things. So I actually was pointing towards those editors who burdened that article unfairly and it was not at all specfically directed towards you as you assumed on your own. I just asserted on the point in that discussion about the redirect that it is not the actual event to where it is redirected. This was just the part of a bigger picture which happened at Mazar-e-Quaid. Moreover it was too early and we should wait for details to come after which it could be updated. There was an inquiry and its report came which clarified the picture as per which it could be updated in a better way. And by the way in the same discussion you too not one time but many times pointed me out and labeled me as supporter of Pakistani deep state, promoting Armed Forces' narrative, wisher of soft censors and giving impression that no one is credible, reliable or independent in Pakistan, which was extremely irresponsive on part of an editor like you but I gave it a pass.
  

Anyhow what happened has happened, I look forward to working with you in future regarding the articles relating to South Asia. Wishing you New Year 2021 in advance! Regards, USaamo ^(t@lk) 13:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

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Please review my new section

Thankyou for supporting me in Alha khand section of Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard and I have added a new section Alha Udal Ki Veergatha to ask that the source is reliable or not. So I request you to please review my section.Sumit banaphar (talk) 13:49, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch

Salam, my honest thanks for your interest in improving the Circassians page. I hope we can expand on the list, I will also try to contribute. Sincerely, ~𝓐𝓭𝓲𝓰𝓪𝓫𝓻𝓮𝓴 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓕𝓲𝓻𝓼𝓽~ ^{(Псалъэ)} 16:13, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@ User:Adigabrek, Thanks for your appreciation and support to the article expansion. One of my long term focus area is Draft:Women, conflict and conflict zones (and also Draft:Civil life in conflict zones. While doing encyclopedic research for the same I came across Circassians issues.

1) At this moment, in particular I was searching for Circassian women's folk songs, and own writings of non elite Circassian women slaves or research papers of modern Circassian women themselves. Please do share sources on specially Circassians folk songs.

2)@ User:Adigabrek, I came across articles Umm walad and Qiyan too, Please do support these article expansion if you feel interested in the encyclopedic topics.

Thanks and warm regards Bookku (talk) 17:26, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I'll let you know if I find anything. ~𝓐𝓭𝓲𝓰𝓪𝓫𝓻𝓮𝓴 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓕𝓲𝓻𝓼𝓽~ ^{(Псалъэ)} 17:51, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

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	Thank you very much. I am working on your request. Although, I am not very expert in linguistics but I am trying to expend the article. Let see. WH2020 (talk) 19:23, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

irrelevant comments in talk page about Persian language

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Draft:Avret Esir Pazarları

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Women Related Laws in Pakistan

Hi,
Thanks for the invite to edit this article. I am currently involved in collating the results of WikiGap Pakistan 2020. Therefore, for now, I don't have the time to work on it. I can look into it by the end of the month. Regards Khilari&historian (talk) 17:00, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, It seems that the article has been deleted. Are you still interested in working on this? I have more time now and could contribute to it as well. Let me know, Thanks. Regards Khilari&historian (talk) 15:07, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

• @Khilari&historian: Thanks, Actually admins accepted primary level but fresh draft prepared by me and restored the article Women related laws in Pakistan (That's why temporary draft talk page has been deleted). What I wrote is just primary level and Still the article Women related laws in Pakistan needs lot of expansion and update. Besides if you organize any edit events in future pl. add this article for updating list because laws is a thing which always needs if not yearly at least two yearly update. Looking forward to your contributions and support. Thanks and regards Bookku (talk) 15:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

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Hello

Hello Bookku, I know we don't always agree with each other (in fact we disagree most of the time!). But I wanted to say I appreciate your politeness and your willingness to engage in dialogue. Since you're very familiar with Islam, I would like to give you the Islamic greeting of peace. Hope you stay safe for the holidays and look forward to encountering you in 2021.VR _talk 18:15, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@Vice regent: You are most welcome, I would like to reciprocate you Greetings with muchness. In silm if one considers 'S' stands for good, 'ilm' stands for 'knowledge', let my greetings be with you and with us all living beings in a journey of seeking magnificent unbounded truths which would open many more doors of knowledge to us all, Amen.

Bookku (talk) 08:09, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Bookku thanks! May I ask what your religious beliefs are? I apologize if this question is inappropriate. As for me, I'm Muslim.VR _talk 12:51, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

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@ User:Kavitha G. Kana many thanks, It is very nice of you. Bookku (talk) 16:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

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January 2021

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@Diannaa: I suppose I did rephrase the content reasonably, and do regret if any limitations remained.

I will rewrite it offline and before bringing back again. Thanks Bookku (talk) 03:01, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Cynthia D. Ritchie

Hi Bookku, I've removed a fair bit of uncited material from the article per WP:BLP and WP:VERIFY, and marked some other unreffed material with {{citation needed}} tags. I've also tried my best to make the article as neutral and compliant with WP policies as possible. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 14:50, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks for your invite

I'm not an expert on the subject, but i'll see what I can contribute.--Sylvester Millner (talk) 04:07, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

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Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 08:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

@Umakant Bhalerao: It is strange without me asking some one else putting for review ? Rather than wasting time ** on reviewing why can't one join improving the article. Unfortunately your name sounds to be South Asian and any one in touch with South Asian news with common sense can tell that topic article can grow better in article namespace with better attention than prison of drafts.

Bookku (talk) 08:27, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Wikispore error

Are you still getting the technical error? It looks like you have successdully started the page, I would be glad to help.--Pharos (talk) 04:54, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Islamic vs Muslim discussion

Bookku, you seem to be copying and pasting the exact same thing onto many different talk pages. Instead I suggest making proposals at each page that are specific to it.VR _talk 03:11, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

@Vice regent: IMO any consensus building on such topics will be long drawn process so at the moment in first round of discussion, I wish people become aware that there is some thing to look into. It became common also because I started discussing from village pump side and will be posting to one or two more common discussion places. After taking note of first round of discussion in second or third round we can make specific proposal. Basically I am not in any hurry.

The interesting part is I don't know if I am too slow in making the case. I started taking notes long back when one of the article name was Muslim dietary laws and by the time I started discussing article name is already changed.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku (talk) 03:22, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

A word of advice: you created multiple discussion forks, which is strongly discouraged per Wikipedia etiquette. I suggest you pick one central venue an place pointers on the other talk pages. --HyperGaruda (talk) 12:04, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Mass user talk page messages

Hi. These are generally frowned upon, especially when it involves editors whose editing history regarding the article/s seem largely tangential. Thanks. El_C 11:48, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

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Black Sea climate and ecology

Hi Bookku I’m just looking at your new article and it shows up as having a high likelihood of being a copyright violation (see here). I suppose that the online materials that it closely resembles may themselves gave been copied from earlier Wikipedia articles, but I thought I’d better point it out in case there was anything you wanted to modify in the article text. All the best Mccapra (talk) 12:43, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mccapra: Thanks for pointing out. Date of Slide share seems Published on Nov 26, 2010 and this Wikipedia article Black Sea edit dif on 25 Nov 2010 already shows to have the content. I will try to check status of Black Sea article history for 30th October 2010 too for better confirmation.

Thanks and warm regards Bookku (talk) 13:02, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mccapra: I checked Wikipedia article Black Sea edit dif on 28 Octo 2010 as additional check and Wikipedia article Black Sea already seems to have the content. Still if you suggest I will make some more changes in content but I suppose since Wikipedia seems to had content already so we have enough breathing space to make the changes at our convenience. Thanks and warm regards Bookku (talk) 13:09, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

No need I think that all seems clear. Mccapra (talk) 13:11, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Black Sea climate and ecology

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The content was copied from Black Sea. You can help patrollers by proper attribution when copying within Wikipedia in the future. In fact it's required by the terms of our license.— Diannaa (talk) 14:44, 20 March 2021 (UTC) @Diannaa: Thanks, most of Copy paste edits I do take care as you can see I mentioned the attribution in later three edits but some how missed in one unfortunately. Still I will make point to be more vigilant next time. Regards Bookku (talk) 14:53, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

It's unfortunate the patrollers missed that. In fact you mentioned it repeatedly :( — Diannaa (talk) 15:00, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

They probably missed it as it was not done on the first edit. I didn't spot it at first either.— Diannaa (talk) 15:05, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

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Draft:Forced conversion to Islam in Pakistan

Bookku, it looks like this draft will be finished quicker than other drafts you're working on. Maybe we should focus on this one for now? Is there anything you can advise me on for expansion in terms of the draft? Gender Roamer (|talk) 21:13, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

@Gender Roamer: I am traveling so some delays are likely from my side, but I would be very keen to work more on that topic too as suggested by you. Lately one user Banksboomer seem to working on similar subtopic Forced conversion of minority girls in Pakistan.

In any case I would work on the topics let them separate or merged either way.

Many thanks and warm regards

Bookku (talk) 01:43, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

All right, and I see how merging might be the ideal thing to do once we can look at how everything has come together. Gender Roamer (talk) 20:31, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, merging is a good idea Banksboomer (talk) 07:04, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Banksboomer. "Forced conversion of minority girls in Pakistan" is the bigger page right now. I'm assuming we'd merge it under "Forced conversion to Islam in Pakistan" because the latter is for the general topic. All right, so I have a concern. If we merge right now, the page would be mostly about girls. Gender Roamer (talk) 21:22, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

I looked at the Forced conversion to Islam in Pakistan page again. Is this mostly happening to girls? If that's how it is, then it's all right the page would be mostly about them. Gender Roamer (talk) 21:26, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

I think "Forced conversion of minority girls in Pakistan" should be kept as a separate page... because it is about a gross human rights violation happening only to girls in Pakistan. The Draft "Forced conversion to Islam in Pakistan" may be merged with the page "Religious discrimination in Pakistan" or "Human rights in Pakistan". Banksboomer (talk) 07:12, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Banksboomer, oh, all right. I thought you were agreeing to merge "Forced conversion of minority girls in Pakistan" with "Forced conversion to Islam in Pakistan." Thank you for clearing up your position. Gender Roamer (talk) 20:54, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Reproductive justice

Honestly, with the class assignment tags placed on the discussion page, the effort to clean up this page may be optimized if we wait until the classes are done. Gender Roamer (talk) 22:31, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes you are right. we can always come back later. Thanks for your inputs. and warm regards

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I wish

I wish I have an additional user name User:ArticleExpansionPropeller

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testing

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British Pakistanis

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RE: Talk:Minar-e-Pakistan

Hey. Just noting that you should feel free to let me know if in, say, a few days your comments regarding #En masse public molestation and sexual violence against women don't get a reply from disputant/s of the opposite camp. In that event, I'm likely to just convert the full protection into a longer semiprotection (per WP:COMMUNICATE). BTW, Bookku, your sig is exceedingly long, to the point of distraction. Please consider shortening it. Thanks. El_C 13:38, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

@El C: Thanks for taking note of the issue. Once the case police investigation gets over and news goes out of sight attacks on Wikipedia article will hopefully get reduced. So personally I am not in hurry to add the content, as of now I am just updating refs as they become available. (Currently deleted section in the article was added by some other anon user).

I am taking note of your second suggestion. warm regards Bookku, 'Encyclopedias are for expanding information and knowledge' (talk) 15:17, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Another comment: the sources all talk about the assault as taking place in Greater Iqbal Park, with no mention of the tower, so it appears that the assault should either be mentioned in the article about the park, or should be a separate article, mentioned and linked from the park article. It certainly appears to be an incident which ought to be described in the encyclopedia, somewhere. PamD 19:12, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

@PamD: Thanks for discussing.

Dawn news report: In the first information report (FIR) registered at the Lorry Adda police station, a copy of which is available with Dawn.com, the complainant stated that she, along with six companions, were filming a video near Minar-e-Pakistan on Independence Day when around 300 to 400 people "attacked us"....She said that she and her companions made a lot of effort to escape from the crowd. Observing the situation, the park's security guard opened the gate to the enclosure around Minar-e-Pakistan, the FIR quotes her as saying..."However, the crowd was huge and people were scaling the enclosure and coming towards us..

Samaa.tv report is more specific: A still from the video of the mob that attacked the woman on August 14, 2021 at Greater Iqbal Park and Minar-e-Pakistan....The incident took place on the public holiday Saturday at the Greater Iqbal Park at the Minar-e-Pakistan monument. The victim said that she was at the Minar-e-Pakistan with her friends to make a video for her YouTube channel when suddenly more than 300 to 400 men attacked them. The victim said when she and her friends tried to get away from the crowd, the guards at the Minar opened the gate of the fence and they went inside..The men jumped over the fence and surged towards us and started...

Even Prime Minister of Pakistan Imran Khan referred incidence in his speech as Minar-e-Pakistan incidence.

It is almost a two hour thing so more details will emerge as police investigation and court cases move forward. Again Pakistan does have track record of victim blaming and also window dressing media but same time over a period of time scholarly academic books also keep coming up and visible written and street activism from women's movements and civil society. so let us see how things move forward and kind of references keep becoming available.

Pl. do suggest. Thanks

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 02:38, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Defenestration?

Hello, and sorry to intrude, but you just used one of my favorite words in a way that is unfamiliar to me! On the Fringe Theories noticeboard, you mentioned "alarmist defenestration." I feel like this word is having quite a moment, though it is likely just me noticing it. That said, I am curious--what does it mean to you here? Note, I am very much a language descriptivist, so I am NOT saying your usage is incorrect. But for me, who pretty strictly associates this word with "something thrown from a window," I am genuinely interested in this use. Do you mean it here as "throwing aside?" Thanks for putting up with my silly question. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 14:58, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

@Dumuzid: Greetings, It is fallacious propaganda misleading public at large to think that topic of Superstition ought to be limited to domain of folklore; as if fields of Skepticism, rationality, Human rights and science have no concerns at all.

I used the word 'defenestration' for strongly emphasizing that concerns and authority of domains of Skepticism, rationality, Human rights and science are being thrown aside and usurped for ulterior motives.

And oh ya on Wikipedia uncomfortable sources of cited by opposite side are thrown out of window in similar manner word 'defenestration' connotes

I expected some response to the word since soliciting some response was purpose of applying the word, but I did not expect response from linguistics side and that too so prompt! :)) I know 'defenestration' was not perfect but I wanted some strong word for expression, and that spurt of moment I could not remember any other. You can very well suggest me better one.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 15:24, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for satisfying my curiosity! I expected that was the gist of things, but the confirmation is much appreciated. Have a nice day. Dumuzid (talk) 15:31, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Irrational beliefs

Bookku, an article on "Irrational beliefs" would be an important topic for an encyclopedia article. In fact, Wikipedia is a particularly good example of an encyclopedia which could be improved by having such an article. Looking at the draft article, I can see that the complexities of organizing an article on "Irrational beliefs" is proving to be complicated. However, I have a good and useful idea here. Particularly looking at the section "Evolutionary and cultural determinants": here we have two (and I'm certain that there are at least a few more than few more) categories proposed, "anthropological views" and "epistemic rationality". What has worked for me on Wikipedia sometimes in the past is to approach a complex topic by developing a hierarchically arranged group of articles. "Irrational beliefs" would be the main article, the other articles would be supportive and more specialized. Simultaneously developing articles such as (something like) "Anthropological views on irrational beliefs" or "Epistemic rationality and irrational beliefs" or so on would likely be a useful technique as part of a process of an the overall goal of creating a good "Irrational beliefs" article. The approach of doing an major article and several more specialized articles would help to distribute the work in a more efficient way, rather than trying to just do one major and comprehensive article. It may seem counter intuitive that more articles would be easier than one; however, in my experience the best approach may be to simultaneously develop several articles that will link together and support each other, while also allowing somewhat independent development of the topic according to differing disciplinary approaches or other specialized aspects of the general topic. The subject of irrational beliefs should not be ignored, and I look forward toward seeing the fruit of our efforts towards developing a good and useful encyclopedia. Dcattell (talk) 21:17, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

@Dcattell: Term sounds very usual but I did not know it's larger scope. I did land on the topic of 'irrational belief' accidentally while researching for some other topic. Your reply has given me way to go ahead and additional confidence indeed. We will start working accordingly. Requesting and looking forward to your continued valued support and contributions.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 03:48, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

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Request for Comment at Islam in Finland talkpage

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Indentation

Hey Bookku,

I find that sometimes your comments are not indented properly and it kinda breaks the flow of conversation. I would appreciate it, if you could take greater care with that, especially in long conversations. Thanks! VR _talk 14:59, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Vice regent: Thanks for pointing out if I have missed out this time. I shall take care. Rgds Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 15:03, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Violent extremism in the Nordic countries

Hi, I think your suggestion on writing about violent extremism in the Nordic countries is a sound one - do you have sources that treat the Nordic countries or Scandinavia as a whole? I was already thinking about creating the Violent extremism in Sweden article where I know of a few sources to use. Like this one by Swedish Security Service although written in Swedish. In the past, I fleshed out the Terrorism in Denmark article from a redirect into a standalone article. So far, I've been pursuing a bottom-up method by writing about individual countries as I found sources for those. If you have sources for a top-down method I am happy to do it that way instead. What do you think? A Thousand Words (talk) 06:22, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@1Kwords:

What I am basically suggesting is as strategy. Once the censoring echo chamber knows there are other encyclopedic tools to address issues they will harass lesser.

My obsrvation has been, basically pro censorship echo chambers use WP:Synth and WP:CoatRack as their 'strategy of impediment' even where reliable sources are available; IDK to what extent Wikipedia:Summary style articles are supposed to need sources explicitly covering whole affair.

My second observation is, for an example Finland is a small project where as religion XYZ is project having more attention creates a systemic imbalance against smaller project users edits. So smaller project user need to search balancing some where. Are you getting my point

In any case we don't need explicit sources covering all nordic countries at draft level collaborative entry, we can split that later before taking to main space if needed. I always do invite users for collaboration in writing at drafts and articles. Since because people having skill of writing with proper research like you and me are very few and far between, So we can avoid to be alone and we can focus on writing while others can secure content from censorship. And we can avoid engaging too much in frustrating talk page discussions or even in any revert wars.

Last but not least for example Draft:Women's rights in Muslim societies would be valid article as Summary style article just by importing content from all the related articles. But not surprisingly echo chamber has already opposed possibility of such article for obvious reason. Their love for religion is very phoney.

For example I made a review request for the article Islamic marriage contract or in case of writing on Sufi shrines no one turns up.

So I also will not take Draft:Women's rights in Muslim societies to main article space until I get sufficient assurance that I will not need to waste my time on talk page discussion. I shall rather wait till sufficient other users themselves request to bring the article in mainspace and handle talk page and censorship and revert gaming. I prefer to preserve more of writers time for writing.

Thanks Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 12:01, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mcphurphy and Grufo: You both are good research encyclopedists. Rather than spending time on 'revert wars with echo chamber' I invite you both once more to work on various drafts and save energy and time. Thanks

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 13:22, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

There never will be assurance that your time won't be wasted, the only thing that can be done is to not engage with the censors, they really love to write long incoherent responses on talk pages. In so doing, they're wasting their own time. Imho the lesser of two evils is that if an article is moved out of the draft space, then it will at least get read by the public but at the expense of time wasted by the censorship faction. I use the quote field of references to show how the information is relevant, like on this occasion just recently. Nevertheless, I respect your approach and will happily support you in your efforts. How can I help? Regarding sources, which languages are you comfortable working with? A Thousand Words (talk) 05:49, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Bookku: Thanks for your appreciation and your contributions. As long as who wants to hide that sexual slavery is sexual slavery keeps bringing the same incorrect motivations in circles it does not take much effort to go back to the initial facts, as all the apparent steps away from them are indeed... apparent – either rethorical fallacies or reiterated WP:OR. You are really free to invite interested users in the discussion. But you should be aware that we might be dealing with an organized political party that edits Wikipedia in unison, not with single sparse editors. --Grufo (talk) 19:50, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

@1Kwords: Thanks for your positive response. We can work on content together in areas of common interest including the topic we were discussing earlier. I am in travel now as I get free enough will get back to you. Thanks and best wishes. Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 14:09, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Remove the accusation over PM Imran Khan

Its a concern over an accusation upon respectful Prime Minister of Pakistan, Imran Khan. Booku has published non researched reason for the increased rate of divorces in Pakistan. Prime Minister could be a reason for making marriages (Nikkah) more easy as he follows a respectful religion(Deen e Islam) but there's nothing to do with the divorce rate among population of Pakistan. Its people personal wish and always there are some personal reasons behind such deciaions. You are welcome to visit Pakistan, and research over this issue with honesty. Thank You! 59.103.24.109 (talk) 10:15, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Greetings

a) In article Divorce in Pakistan there is no accusation against Imran Khan

b) It is actually mention of Imran Khan that who has accused Hollywood and Bollywood more than once, multiple references are available. If you can understand Urdu listen Imran Khan recent 10th October 2021 speech from 32 minute onward available on YouTube.

C) If you really live in Pakistan and understand Urdu and follow him how come you don't know what Imran Khan speaks openly in Pakistan's national language Urdu ?

d) On Wikipedia we write with references. Please keep checking up news media of Pakistan itself and international media and Academic research books and journals if any mistakes contact them not Wikipedia editors. If Imran Khan speaks wrong then contact Imran Khan and not the Wikipedia.

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 11:13, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, can you check the situation in this article? I think we really need a third opinion to edit an edit war. You might want to check User talk:Каракорум#Please use English in edit summaries first. This user has been making Russian nationalist edits and calling people who revert his edits as his "opponents". Now they reverted my and other editors' edits at attempting to fix that horrible nationalist POV article calling them "strange edits", and when I undid this act of vandalism it seems they have blamed me for WP:EDITWAR and WP:BATTLEGROUND, which I say is ironic since that's exactly what they have been doing. I think we need a third opinion to avoid an edit war, so can you check that? Adigabrek^Talk 18:28, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Adigabrek and Каракорум:

Greetings,

Thanks for showing confidence in me

I suggest/ request both of you to take take the content dispute to article talk page and discuss the same section by section, line by line, point by point.

IMO Such are long time content disputes, avoiding any edit war and personalizing of the dispute and focusing on content related difference of opinion will be helpful to both of you.

My exposure to history of conflicts is usually limited in point of view of women's rights but I will help you till I have knowledge. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history is an active page you can seek more help from there at a latter stage.

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 03:48, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

User Adigabrek accuses me of Russian nationalism, although he himself does not actually hide that he is a Circassian nationalist. I would like to thank colleague Bookku for his adequate understanding of the situation. If there is something to discuss, I am ready to do it. But this must be done before adding or deleting any information. Каракорум (talk) 05:24, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Adigabrek and Каракорум:

Personally I do not see any issues with positive nationalism with open minded outlook. Every one has some baby to save and dirty water to point out and that should be okay and not too difficult to deal with if we decide to remain open minded towards each other's reasonable concerns, and we all need that sort of flexibility on platforms like Wikipedia. In global human history as there are achievements and good parts to speak on as there were difficult pain point parts too. Truth and reconciliation is slow but the best process and discussing with references with each other and understanding concerns in Wikipedia perspective will help at least to an extent on this platform, me think so. We few individuals or Wikipedia articles do not make or break neither the history nor the society. Let us negotiate but do not stretch too far.

Let us move on towards content dispute by mentioning say 2–2 difference of opinion on content from each side and see which easier one you can resolve among yourself remaining we can seek help from other expert editors in due course.

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 07:22, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

"User Adigabrek accuses me of Russian nationalism, although he himself does not actually hide that he is a Circassian nationalist."

My identity in real life is irrelevant, I don't make POV nationalist edits on Wikipedia, someone neutral to this discussion can check. With this logic, we must blame Gay people who write about LGBT, as they support LGBT organisation in real life. This is foolish, we judge by actions and not identities. (unless it's a conflict of interest) There are rules here and you and I should follow them. My accusations are based on your actions. Peace and I hope you're sincere that you don't intend POV nationalism. Adigabrek^Talk 09:43, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Каракорум: please explain the reasoning behind your actions instead of trying to Ad hominem at me, so we can solve the issue. Adigabrek^Talk 09:46, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

• I noticed that you repeatedly use the term "Russian nationalist", both here and here and here. It looks like bias on your part. Questions also arise: What is the North Caucasian Army? Is this Shamil's army in Chechnya and Dagestan? Or the Circassian army? Or does it mean both? A very strange phrase for the militias of various tribes. It is worth clarifying how widely this term is used. Another question is why were the images removed from the preamble? Каракорум (talk) 10:40, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

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Extra-long comments

Hey Bookku,

I've been interacting you for more than a year now. One thing I notice is that you make really long comments (eg). In my experience long comments create WP:WALLSOFTEXT which then discourage uninvolved parties to comment. Do you think you can write shorter comments? Thank you, VR _talk 04:26, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't at all agree with you saying "Encyclopedist need to be used to long academic discourses need not complain of length of the response". WP:WALLSOFTEXT is a thing. A LOT of wikipedians frown upon extremely long responses. It makes talk page discussions difficult to read and it repels new people from joining the discussion. If you still disagree with me, perhaps you can ask others about it. VR _talk 14:57, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Also read some of the feedback you got here.VR _talk 14:57, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Most of the time, short, to-the-point comments are better (because readers are more likely to read them).
Some of the time, long comments are better (because they need to be long to explain ideas properly).
-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:31, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

The Wayback Machine

Hi, I noticed that https://www.un.org/en/ga/sixth/75/pdfs/statements/int%20terrorism/01mtg%20nordic.pdf is no longer active. Do you have the exact title of the document so I can search for it? In the future it's safest to post link into The Wayback Machine (see this link) so the PDF or webpage is archived. Have a nice day, A Thousand Words (talk) 05:41, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

"Aurat (Malaysian and Indonesian nomenclature for Intimate parts in Islam)" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Aurat (Malaysian and Indonesian nomenclature for Intimate parts in Islam). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 9#Aurat (Malaysian and Indonesian nomenclature for Intimate parts in Islam) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. VR _talk 09:50, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Sexual slavery in Islam‎ ‎List of useful references

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British Pakistanis

Hello:

In July, I undertook an extensive copy edit of British Pakistanis in response to your request at the Guild of Copy Editors. Today, I handled your second request, barely four months later, differently. I have gone through and checked that every edit made since July is okay and made a few minor changes. The copy edit is now up to date.

As I mentioned in my note to you in July, there are many sections of the article that need updating. Until this work is done, further copy edits are largely pointless.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 20:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

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Re:Requesting some article expansion help

Dear User:Bookku, thanks for letting me know about your recent article creation. I had a look and am impressed with the amount of work that you put into it. Keep up the good work. With regards, Anupam^Talk 16:44, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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Jabbar IP

COI seems very likely, their edits are certainly all promoting Jabbar. Your source here[2] is an opinion piece, does all that belong in the article at all? I've reverted almost all of this IP's edits. Doug Weller talk 13:36, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Doug Weller:,

I already shifted one edit to Draft:Ex-Muslims of Kerala and notified accordingly to the IP. But did not do the same for second to avoid breach of 3 R from my side and IP also did not revert my removal of the content. And previous removals are also not reinstated by previously active ids (or those are same Idk). So may be initial enthusiasm, we can afford to see as good faith. (I am usually bit liberal too all sides)

Kerala atheism and communist traditions are decades old, since past some months some audio apps on social media have become popular in Kerala and with increased discussions regarding atheism (Most of that is in Malayalam language) and some intermittent new coverage in English media is there . But we will need to see is there any credible coverage in Malayalam language media. Once my get through my travel I will ask for Malayalam assistance from India project talk and Malayalam Wikipedia to ease the issues around. (Since discussion can take lot of time I will do that as I get time from travel)

As far ToI ref, if we keep IP's enthusiasm, and technicalities of opinion piece outside, it seems to be a balanced report taking both sides of the debate into account. (ToI opinion columns are not open to any one but weighted before allowing them to write).

Even Picture file does not show only Jabbar but his debate opponent too so Image plus ref at least do not have neutrality issues, merit wise not too bad. In any case I would have acted after discussing issue @ India project talk If you wish to do it early you can go ahead just taking care of 3R because I do not like any one getting bans in haste.

Thanks for contacting

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 14:47, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

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This comment

Hey Bookku,

Couple of points about this comment. May I ask why you pinged Andrewa only in it? This comment is of interest to plenty of users (like me). Please see WP:CANVAS.

Regarding systemic bias in general, I do want to point out a few things. We now have two articles on the intersection between slave concubinage and Islam, but not a single article on its intersection with Christianity. Why is there such a focus on Islam? We also have no articles on slavery in Hinduism or Buddhism (let alone female slavery in these religions). We also have no article on slavery and communism (even though many communist states have practiced forced labor, like USSR, China and North Korea). Are these not examples of systemic bias? VR _talk 05:20, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Vice regent:

a) You are well aware I do my best to maintain consistency across articles (unlike others many others) so I should be last person to present any argument of Whataboutism.

b) I sought advice from Andrewa in his capacity of being admin and aware of discussions there and not to canvass.

Just I wanted to confirm that taking me the issue as to systemic bias at this stage would no amount to forum shopping. So my intention to ping is to be careful on Wikipedia rules and not to break them.

c) Any discussion related to systemic bias will take place at relevant board so there is no question of canvassing at this stage.

d) Then again I did not do hidden ping and initially I thought whether I should seek guidance @ his talk page but just avoided to avoid charge of canvassing.

e) Whatever guidance I sought openly on article talk page to avoid charge of canvassing

f) You are well aware many times I end up placing my opposite views first even before my own and most times I invite people from all sides .

g) I would request you to improve in good faith and hope you will avoid stretching argument of canvassing too far since any such intention did not exist. I am not expert in all rules but I attempt to take due care where possible.

Thanks

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 05:43, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't believe you had any bad intention. I assume good faith on your part. But I also want you to familiarize yourself with policy as sometimes it is possible to violate it without intending to.VR _talk 06:03, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

WikiHounding

Following me around and challenging every edit that I make that removes undue negative information from articles is called WP:WikiHounding, and it may well get you blocked. I've asked to cease interactions with you, and I will stay away from articles you have an interest in. You are under no obligation to do the same, but if your point is merely to continue picking arguments with me, that will not be tolerated. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@WikiDan61:

Requesting to assume WP:Good faith. Following facts will show you, it is purely misunderstanding on your part.

a) I am in habit of making rational and logical but strong arguments at talk page, but most of my Wikipedia engagements are very civil, non personal, without edit wars. I do take breaks on my own from discussions when things get heated up.

b) Our first engagement has been @ Talk:Islam in Finland on account of RfC raised by you and intimated at Wikiproject Islam talk page which is in my watch list and where rarely though I do interact. So this interaction started on your invite only. I have taken sufficient breaks on my own in those related discussions. And kept matter only to the content. There is no edit in the article from my side so there is no question of edit war from my side nor any question of hounding.

c) You seem to have triggered by my latest edit @ Talk:SEPTA as proved in below table I am first to reach the article talk page almost 40 days before of your first edits to that article.

d) You will find my old edits @ Talk:Encyclopedia showing my interest in Encyclopedia philosophy side.

e) You will also find me time and again talking about auditing articles for Women's rights issues @ Project Women in Red.

f) I came out with a list of 7 encyclopedic tools to discuss relevance after discussion @ an article talk page (where we have not interacted). I came to Talk:SEPTA developing my set of encyclopedic philosophical argument.

g) You will find that @ Talk:SEPTA I am complaining about article COVID pandemic because I had interacted on COVID related talk pages so my interaction has multiple much older thinking process tracks which I expressed there without you personally being in mind.

In both the article you were involved in article edit side. I have not edited those articles either. I have joined only talk page content discussions.

Coincidental civil interactions at talk pages for content dispute of two articles is too little to think about hounding and all. When we spend good number of hours on Wikipedia some overlapping in areas of interest is bound to happen. With many other users having different views than me I keep coming across much more, no other user has accused me of hounding at least up til now, you are the first one and mostly out of misunderstanding.

You may wish to differ with my content arguments, but it has nothing to do with any hounding what so ever. Requesting you again to assume WP:Good faith.

It is good to get in touch and clear the things that helps avoiding misunderstandings, so thanks anyways for your communication. and warm regards.

Thanks Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 15:16, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

	Edits in article SEPTA	Edit in article talk page
Bookku	None	20 October 2021, 11 December 2021
. WikiDan61	2021-12-07	2021-11-30 , 2021-12-03, 2021-12-12
Who is first to come to Article about untoward incidence?		Bookku right in the month of October 20
Difference of response in days from Bookku		40 days prior WikiDan61's first edit and 8 days after 3rd December edit, as such response is not reserved for, WikiDan61, but is general discussion trend

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Urdu

Quick question Bookku: are you able to read and translate Urdu sources? You don't have to answer this question if you don't feel comfortable doing so. VR _talk 06:49, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

I am just a student of South Asian studies. Due to academic training and practice I do understand some languages. Same time at many or rather most times I do take assistance from fellow academicians during my research. For Wikipedia few times translation assistance becomes available but research focus area being different and also if researchers are busy many times assistance is not available for Wikipedia purposes, so for Wikipedia purposes usually I prefer to take linguistic assistance of Wikipedians.

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ex muslims of kerala

hi this article Ex-Muslims of Kerala has been tagged for speedy deletion , can you please help here to maintain the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atheist kerala (talk • contribs) 15:45, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Responded

on my talk page Rlink2 (talk) 18:11, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

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Please be extra careful with content in biographical articles

I've reverted [3] your edits [4] to Veena Malik as grossly undue. Please be much more careful when adding content to a biographical article --Hipal (talk) 23:36, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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Can you present your view

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A kitten for you!

I just read what you wrote for RAJIVVASUDEV a while back about what do when you run into an cranky older editor that lives to remove the content of others instead of creating new content of their own. It was exactly what I need to read to help me break off from a situation. It is not even something I care about that much. It is like getting sucked into their road rage. Anyway, thanks for wise and clarity. I am smiling again.

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Your draft article, Draft:Sexual politics

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PTI party dictatorship

Please add dictatorship in Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf ideology and accused section, The PTI party has been accused by the opposition parties, media and think tanks to imposing civil dictatorship in Pakistan

Sources. [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.141.159.74 (talk) 10:54, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

You can make such request at article talk page so other users can also take a call. Remember one thing usually Pakistani and Indian both Wikipedians do not prefer refs from other country's media. happy wikipedia editing

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 11:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

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