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Ancient Greek grammar split[edit]
Got to use Template:Copied templates for large content splits like that. I've taken care of it though. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)[1] 08:37, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
- @Brightgalrs: Thanks! Could you also deal with the article Infinitive (Ancient Greek) which I have split off from Ancient Greek grammar in the same way? The Template:Copied template seems complicated! Kanjuzi (talk) 09:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Done Yep, no problem. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)[1] 09:53, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
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Scansion[edit]
Hi, Kanjuzi. I see you've done quite a bit of work relating to quantitative metrics. I expect I have nothing to tell you on that topic. However, you may find some of my struggles with the display of scansion useful.
– u u – – – u u – u u – u u – – Scanning a verse line: starting a line with a space is a good way.
(I know; inappropriate for English. It's just an example.) The alternative is this markup:
<pre style="border:none;background-color:transparent;margin-left:1em">
- scansion
- verse text
</pre>
I happen to prefer the initial space, because markup (anything from, say, bold to an inline reference) works with it. This is not true with the "pre" markup, but I think most people feel that it meshes with the rest of the text better as it lacks the boxy background. I see you generally keep your scansions separate from the verse text. Personally I prefer pairing the scansion with each line (as above), but even your method can benefit from a monospaced font, since this:
- | – u – – | – u – – || – u – – | – u – |
- | uu u uu – | uu u – – || – u – – | – u – |
...from your Metres of Roman comedy becomes (I think) much clearer if reformatted and stacked:
| – u – – | – u – – || – u – – | – u – | | uu u uu – | uu u – – || – u – – | – u – |
This kind of stuff can be done with tables too, but I believe this is a bad choice because it requires more skill both for the initial editor, and for any subsequent editors who wish to modify it. Furthermore, both methods shown above are WYSIWYG, which helps immensely.
My other bit of work was User:Phil wink/Quantitative scansion code which itself seems to be of no use, but by-the-bye contains several notes on what potential scansion symbols tend to render correctly, and a couple of tricks to do stuff like this: u͝u (in case you're ever unlucky enough to need it). Cheers. Phil wink (talk) 05:09, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
@Phil wink: That's a good idea. I will experiment and see how it looks. Usually I avoid the initial-space courier-font boxes as they look ugly, but the stacked scansions as you have done them look attractive. Kanjuzi (talk) 09:26, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
- If you don't like the boxes, then use the "pre" style, particularly since these lines, at least, have no other required markup:
| – u – – | – u – – || – u – – | – u – | | uu u uu – | uu u – – || – u – – | – u – |
@Phil wink: I've tried it now on one section of Metres of Roman comedy to see how it looks. It looks fine, except for the big space above and below the scansion. I don't know if that can be got rid of easily? Kanjuzi (talk) 09:42, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
- To my knowledge the space is unavoidable. It may not be exactly what you want, but I don't think you should see it as a terrible thing. These are, after all illustrations, not part of the continuous text, and a little framing (even just white framing) doesn't hurt (not unlike a blockquote). And on Wikipedia, there is no limit on "ink and paper". I've tried a lot of crazy combinations of html tricks (and I needed someone else to figure out the "pre" solution). Almost all fail, usually because almost all replace multiple spaces with single spaces, which is death to our attempt to line up characters WYSIWYG. Cheers. Phil wink (talk) 13:36, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
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Latin help[edit]
Hi @Kanjuzi:, thanks so much for all your contributions!
I have created a personal user award to recognize contributions related to ancient Roman history, which I have dubbed "The Barnstar of Tacitus". Could you check my translation: "stella horreorum Taciti"? Thanks. Informata ob Iniquitatum (talk) 22:42, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Well, it's correct if you mean a "star of Tacitus's barns". How about stella horreatica Taciti? Or even, since the star is a small one, stellula horreatica Taciti – though perhaps the latter's a bit fussy; the first is better. Try running it past someone else who knows Latin! Kanjuzi (talk) 04:59, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Another Latin question[edit]
Salve amice,
Aiutum! I am struggling with the difference between evocare and devocare, evoco and devoco. I understand evoco to mean to summon, or lure. An evocatio was a ritual designed to "distract" a city's gods by a besieging army. But I find in Pliny's Natural Histories XXVIII ch.4, devocare is used for summoning Jupiter. Are the two interchangeable?
Evocatus is a veteran heeding the call to return to duty. So what would a devocatus be?
If you can help, awesome, don't feel obliged to respond if you can't :-) Informata ob Iniquitatum (talk) 04:51, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- The Lewis and Short entries, which you will find here: http://logeion.uchicago.edu/index.html#evoco and here: http://logeion.uchicago.edu/index.html#devoco, make the difference fairly plain. Evocare is to call someone out, supposing they are in something, e.g. in their home, in a city, and so on. Devocare is to call someone down (e.g. to call on a god to come down from heaven to help), but it also has a range of other meanings such as invite, lure, etc. The form devocatus doesn't seem to be used. Kanjuzi (talk) 05:15, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- There is an entry for devocatus. Sadly, I am unable to understand the definition provided. Informata ob Iniquitatum (talk) 05:37, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- It is from a medieval book (the Statutes of the Premonstratensian Order) and it says Si lector mensae devocatus benedictionem neglexerit = 'if a reader, invited to the table, neglects to say a blessing'. Underneath a footnote queries the word and suggests that perhaps it ought to say denotatus, which would mean 'specified' or 'designated'. Anyway I don't think it's worth worrying about. Kanjuzi (talk) 05:58, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
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I don't know whether your edit was perhaps a misclick, but you said that you were restoring references, when the edit in fact removed neutrally phrased and sourced info, replacing it with phrasing that was against a strong and long-standing consensus on the article talk page. If it was an accident, then please be more careful. Regards, bonadea contributions talk 13:36, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Bonadea: No, it was not a misclick. The change I made was to restore two references to books which refer to Hancock's ideas as pseudoscience. Somewhere during the last few edits those two references had been removed, although not by me, and I thought it useful to put them back. So my edit summary was quite accurate and your comment is puzzling. Perhaps you were mistaking me for the other editor who made the earlier change? Incidentally, the introduction as it now stands seems to me to be a little over-emphatic on the attacking side. Is it necessary to say twice in six lines (with a repeated reference) that his work is pseudoscientific? Personally I preferred the previous wording that his work is regarded as pseudoscientific. It seems more neutral. And it only needs to be said once. Kanjuzi (talk) 16:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
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Pipe[edit]
Hi, Kanjuzi. I happened to notice a couple of your recent edits, in which you're dealing with pipes (|) in sensitive situations. I suspect that the trick you're looking for is {{!}}
, which correctly and safely displays the pipe character both within tables and within templates, without breaking the functionality of either. And as far as I know, it works in other situations too, but to my knowledge, regular pipes won't break other stuff. Cheers. Phil wink (talk) 00:34, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks! That's a good trick. I didn't know that. Jolly useful. | Kanjuzi (talk) 13:09, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Recent additions to Latin tenses[edit]
The discussion has been moved to Latin tenses: Talk. Kanjuzi (talk) 12:55, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
@Kanjuzi: Should I create a separate Wikipedia article about grammatical tense in Latin so as to give readers access to the current theory of grammatical tense in Latin? That way you can make the article on Latin tenses stay the way it is now and at the same time you would allow Wikipedia visitors access to facts about the Latin language described in the literature. --Daniel Couto Vale (talk) 22:33, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
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Bkissin (talk) 21:46, 3 February 2020 (UTC)Catulli carmen LXIII - De Attide[edit]
Number 1[edit]
- Salve, Kanjuzi!
- Gratias tibi for your contributions!
- I really cant help but say, you did a great job marking the (synaloephae)!
Number 2[edit]
It is a miracle to find another user who also knows Carmen 63 of Catullus. Legi I read hoc this and when vidēbam I was reading the part for Carmen 36, fui valde laeta I was really happy, although Carmen 63 was indeed written in Versus Galliambicus et and based upon the Ionic meter, sed but, in Versō Galliambicō the Galliambic Verse, syllaba postrēma the last syllable is an anceps...which means the last syllable can be either short "u" or long "-" and this is the part where I have some objections to the meter. Not all of the last syllables are long "-", they dont count as a long syllable by nature nor a long syllable by postion.
- A syllable is long by nature when you can see that there is a "-" across the vowel, e.g. :nāvis. "nā" is a long syllable (tempus longus) by nature and "vis" is short (tempus breve)
- A syllable is long by position when (please allow me to show you examples, it may seem really confusing):
- a vowell before 2 consonants or a double consonant e.g. : maximus "ma" is long by position
- vowell before a consonant ending the former word and a consonant e.g. : caelum caeruleum "lum" is long by position
- even if a former word ends with vowell that is short by nature and the next word begins with 2 consonants e.g. : occulta spolia "ta" is long by position
this is what you wrote:
Super alta vectus Attis celeri rate maria Phrygi(um) ut nemus citato cupide pede tetigit adiitqu(e) opaca silvis redimita loca deae, stimulatus ibi furenti rabie, vagus animis devolsit il(i) acuto sibi pondera silice. The meter is: u u – u – u – – | u u – u u u u – u u – u – u – – | u u – u u u u – u u – u – u – – | u u – u u u u – u u – u u u u – – | u u – u u u u – – – u – u – – | u u – u u u u –
(I must say again..you did a good job marking the synaloephae..not everyone knows how..) In your meter the last syllable of every sentence are all written with "-", indicating that they all are long syllables, I'm sorry to say, but, not all the last syllablae are tempi longi. for example lets just say "tetigit", "git" is not long by nature nor is it long by position, and therefore it should not be marked with "-". *There are a few more that should not be marked with "-"
Number 3[edit]
vagus animis
From the poem I've been taught to read, it says, "....vagus animī" instead of "...vagus animis", and to my interpretation, it means "wandering mind of his" and that should be "animī" instead of "animis" as it should be in genetivus singulāris, genetive singular, and not datīvus plūrālis nec ablātīvus plūrālis, not dative plural nor ablative plural.
Number 4[edit]
Ah..you must be a little shocked to find that I have a fouth thing to point out, but don't worry :), its just a little suggestion. I know it's really annoying writing all the "-" thingies on top of letters when writing in Latin. I find it really annoying, escpecially when typing, and sometimes I dont remember whether or not there is one. BUT....it is best to write it, particularly when writing carmina, quia it gives at least it gives me a better sense when figuring out the tempus longus vs tempus breve it actually really does.
AND...it can change a word..for example, you should be familiar with the 4 categories of verbs..? well...yes...
- the 2nd category of verbs end with "-ēre"
- the 3rd category of verbs end with "-ere"
..so if I forgot the "-" thingie....I could mess up with the whole conjugations...and that would be a disaster...(at least for me) OH YEAH...it changes the pronounciaton too.. did you realize..?
- e.g. : "vidēre" (2nd category) is pronounced: /veee-day-rrr-eh/
- e.g. : "scrībere" (3rd category) is pronounced : /ss-krr-eeeee-beh-rrr-eh/
can you see ..wait hear..? *hear im sure.. the difference ...? "eh-rrr-eh" vs "ay-rrr-eh"
Gratias tibi for hearing my thoughts :) Wah lao eh... (talk) 23:22, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Wah lao eh...: Thank you very much for your comments. This is a very interesting point, and it seems that scholars differ as to whether a final syllable consisting of short vowel + consonant should be counted as long or short: see Brevis in longo. My understanding is that even a short vowel at the end of a verse was considered by ancient prosodists to count as long, because of the pause that followed it. This is why it is impossible to end a line with a dactyl, since, with the pause at the end of the line, – u u would automatically be counted as – u –. However, lots of scholars would agree with you, so there is no harm in writing "x" for the last syllable if there is any doubt. And it seems that even if it counted as long, a final short vowel was felt to be shorter than a short vowel + consonant and avoided by some poets as insufficiently heavy to end a line. So in a way you are right.
- Concerning animis, I looked it up and it seems that the 14th-century manuscripts of Catullus actually have amnis, so some editors emend this to animis and others to animi. Both are possible, I expect.
- By the way, yes, as a Latin teacher I hear the difference between -ere and -ēre very well, though you are right that not everyone does! Kanjuzi (talk) 02:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
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It seems you have worked on article Saadi Shirazi.
Currently I am working on the article, Anarkali#Inscription on whose tomb a Mughal prince inscribed a couplet.
As I received a ref from other user from recent discussion @ Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities, the said couplet is likely to be of Saadi Shirazi but the reference seems from a journalist, so being RS I included info in the article but still I would prefer to being reviewed/confirmed that the couplet really existed in Saadi Shirazi and that it is not likely to be misquotation by the journalist who attributed the couplet to Saadi Shirazi.
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Bookku (talk) 04:30, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Bookku: It is indeed from Saadi: ghazal 31 line 1. In the article Anarkali, it is misquoted with the half-lines the wrong way round. It should be (the following is the Iranian pronunciation, which is not as appropriate as the Indian pronunciation in the article):
- وه که گر من بازبینم روی یار خویش را
- تا قیامت شکر گویم کردگار خویش را
- vah ke gar man bāz bīnam rūy-e yār-e xīš-rā
- tā qiyāmat šokr gūyam kerdgār-e xīš-rā
- "Ah, if I could see the face of my lover again,
- until the Day of Judgement I would say praises of my Creator"
- I have corrected the version in that article, leaving the transliteration unchanged. Kanjuzi (talk) 06:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
@Kanjuzi: Many many thanks for your valuable information and support.
This raises some more curiosity in my mind as follows, (Sorry it seems to have gone bit long below)
- It seems Saadi Shirazi seems to have visited India too but there is a difference of almost 3 & 1/2 century in between Saadi Shirazi & Jahangir; Secondly since times of Akbar Mughals used to have well maintained Kitab Khana, So it would be curious to know whether the verse reached directly from some writing Saadi Shirazi left in India or it came back in form of a book after Saadi Shirazi returned back. I mean to say is whether Saadi Shirazi had left any line of his own followers in India during his visit.
- As far as article Tomb of Anarkali is concerned is it possible to confirm whether what is actually written on cenotaph matches as is with version of Saadi Shirazi ref provided by you or cenotaph is following some little different rendering?
- Two cenotaph inscription images 1 2 are available on Wikimedia commons I don't know how far those are readable.
- One more imp point for article Tomb of Anarkali, while now for sure we know that it was kind of plagiarizing on part of Jahangir but since he has put his own name as Majanun Salim Akbar on cenotaph We will need to mention his name too with note that it is actually from Saadi Shirazi
- Last but not least are there any references to story of Layla and Majnun in Saadi Shirazi's literature ? So was whether Jahangir took connecting those lines with word Majnuj from Saadi Shirazi's literature ? or it was his own invention?
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Bookku (talk) 07:24, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Bookku: (1) That Saadi himself visited India is doubtful. In particular, his description of the visit to the temple at Somnath is described by the scholar Katouzian and "almost certainly fictitious".
- (2) However, his poetry was very well known both in India and Persia throughout all the centuries from his lifetime up to the present day, and it is not possible that anyone who knew anything about Persian literature would not know that this line (the opening line of his 13th ghazal) was written by Saadi. Just as for anyone who has read any English literature, it is obvious that "Whan that Aprille with his shoures soote" or "I wandered lonely as a cloud" or "O wild west wind, thou breath of autumn's being" are written by Chaucer, Wordsworth, and Shelley respectively, without any need to name the author. So it is unlikely that Salim is claiming that the line is his or that anyone would understand him to be claiming that.
- (3) Examining the photos carefully, I see that (although it is very faint) the first word of the line is in fact "āh" rather than "vah ki", so I have changed the transcription back again. Either variant is metrically possible.
- (4) It is not clear from the photos which order the half-lines come in. Is photo 2 the one on the left and photo 1 the one on the right or the other way round? But in any case, it seems from the meaning that the half-line "Ah, if only I could see the face of my beloved again" ought to come first. If they are the other way round the couplet doesn't really make any sense.
- (5) References to the story of Leyli and Majnun are found not only in Saadi but also in virtually every classical Persian poet, so if Salim referred to himself as "Majnun" everyone would know what he meant. The story is very well known.
- (6) The description of the tombstone as "one of the finest pieces of carving in the world" seems to me an absurd exaggeration. From the photographs it looks a fine piece of carving but nothing particularly special: there are hundreds of others like it.
- Hope this helps. Kanjuzi (talk) 11:06, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
@Kanjuzi: Many thanks again for your detailed and helpful reply and edit help. On your last 6th point I do completely agree wonder whether such exaggerations are South Asian signature feature, I hope I have not started exaggerating myself being student of South Asian studies. There are so many of instance that any courtesy appreciation along with exaggerations involved by guests specially foreign one is taken by heart by most South Asians. Usually I leave such things for Copy editors to take care.
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku (talk) 11:34, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
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Iambic shortening[edit]
@Kwamikagami: I am composing an article about iambic shortening. Most of it is about Latin, but I would like to add something about English iambic shortening too, e.g. allérgic vs. állĕrgy, or márrow vs. márrŏwbone. But despite searching everywhere I can't find any articles about this to refer to. Can you suggest anything? You are the sort of person who might know. Kanjuzi (talk) 12:55, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- Closest I can think of is disyllabic laxing. — kwami (talk) 18:35, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that's very interesting. (I've added an article by Scott Myers [1] which is relevant to that.) But it isn't iambic shortening. I've found one by Dabouis which partly fits the bill but am still searching. It discusses reduction of vowels, but not the shortening of whole syllables such as Kensington – – – vs. Kennington u u –. Kanjuzi (talk) 19:08, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- BTW, do you know the Chichewa names for the planets, even if just assimilated English ones? — kwami (talk) 18:48, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- Chichewa has no names for any stars or planets, apart from the Pleiades, the Milky Way, and the Morning Star, which they call nthandá. I once asked the writer Professor Steve Chimombo about this, and he went and asked in the university for me but came up with no names apart from these. The Malawians have lots of names for different edible termites and caterpillars, but it seems that they have never been interested in the stars, which is surprising. Kanjuzi (talk) 19:08, 14 April 2022 (UTC) I forgot to ping @Kwamikagami:. Kanjuzi (talk) 19:10, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- Not too surprising, really. If they don't play an important role in the culture, say in a calendar or for seafaring, how would you ever keep track? How would you know if a particular light was Jupiter or Saturn? Certainly over multiple generations. Even if there were names, it's likely that you'd get different identifications from different people. But I thought it worth asking, so thanks. — kwami (talk) 06:50, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Chichewa has no names for any stars or planets, apart from the Pleiades, the Milky Way, and the Morning Star, which they call nthandá. I once asked the writer Professor Steve Chimombo about this, and he went and asked in the university for me but came up with no names apart from these. The Malawians have lots of names for different edible termites and caterpillars, but it seems that they have never been interested in the stars, which is surprising. Kanjuzi (talk) 19:08, 14 April 2022 (UTC) I forgot to ping @Kwamikagami:. Kanjuzi (talk) 19:10, 14 April 2022 (UTC)