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Correcting Subject Names[edit]
How do I fix an incorrectly spelled subject name? The wikipedia article "Era of Good Feelings" should be named "Era of Good Feeling". How do I drop the "S"?
Here's the link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Era_of_Good_Feelings Lord Milner (talk) 12:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC) Lord Milner (talk) 12:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Lord Milner. Technically, the page would need to be WP:MOVEd to the new title, but in this case it might be best to be WP:CAUTIOUS and propose the title change at Talk:Era of Good Feelings to see what other might think. There reason why I'm suggesting this is that a quick Google search shows the period being referred to in both ways by various publications and websites. Encyclopedia Britannica even states as much here; so, instead of moving the page, adding something about the different ways of referring to the period to the MOS:LEAD of the article might be all that's really needed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:16, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- You don't drop it, Lord Milner. Instead, you go to Talk:Era of Good Feelings and there write out your proposal for a title change. Note that the talk page shows that others have already proposed the same change. However, their proposals seem to have less reasoning and evidence, more indignation. Try to be persuasive. Get agreement. If you succeed, then retitling ("moving") the article will be easy. -- Hoary (talk) 13:22, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. Obviously, I'm from the United States, and there is no discussion about this. We are all taught the same. The word "Feeling" in this sense, is plural. The connotation of "Feelings" suggests something different, something amateurish. "The Era of Good Feeling" is both academically and linguistically correct. So, two changes need to be made: one to add the word "The", and a second to delete the letter "s".— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Milner (talk • contribs) 19:54, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Lord Milner: On the omission of the in the article title, see WP:THE. Deor (talk) 21:16, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'm from the United States, too, and I see no problem with the title "Era of Good Feelings". --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:08, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- How long have you lived here, and where did you get your education? We have many contributors here, and many of them are foreign, and they do not know about this part of American History. I did a search on 'Internet Archive', and I came up with 70 different texts that support me. Link: https://archive.org/search.php?query=The%20Era%20of%20Good%20Feeling Lord Milner (talk) 20:13, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is a collaboration. Please consider using Third Opinion, Request for Comment to build a consensus. If you like American history, just think of Wikipedia as an upstart colonial government attempting democracy through discussion and consensus. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:32, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- All my life. Which is probably longer than yours. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:06, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- How long have you lived here, and where did you get your education? We have many contributors here, and many of them are foreign, and they do not know about this part of American History. I did a search on 'Internet Archive', and I came up with 70 different texts that support me. Link: https://archive.org/search.php?query=The%20Era%20of%20Good%20Feeling Lord Milner (talk) 20:13, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm from the United States, too, and I see no problem with the title "Era of Good Feelings". --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:08, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Lord Milner, we are not "all taught the same" in the US. I have never heard of this, and I have always lived here, and I went to US public schools. Does "there is no discussion" mean that "everyone (in the US) knows this"? Not true... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Here's a few sources using the "s" form: https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Era_of_Good_Feelings/yCByAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&dq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&printsec=frontcover , https://www.google.com/books/edition/James_Monroe/sVbDDgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&printsec=frontcover and https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Era_of_Good_Feelings_and_the_Age_of/657fAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&dq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&printsec=frontcover --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- In this context, I believe that "Feeling" is what is known as an "uncountable noun," meaning the singular form of the word serves as a plural. 69.112.128.218 (talk) 23:18, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Lord Milner: On the omission of the in the article title, see WP:THE. Deor (talk) 21:16, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. Obviously, I'm from the United States, and there is no discussion about this. We are all taught the same. The word "Feeling" in this sense, is plural. The connotation of "Feelings" suggests something different, something amateurish. "The Era of Good Feeling" is both academically and linguistically correct. So, two changes need to be made: one to add the word "The", and a second to delete the letter "s".— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Milner (talk • contribs) 19:54, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
I find it ironic that we cannot agree on this. American History was taught to us in the 4th Grade. Lord Milner (talk) 06:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Lord Milner, yes, American History was taught all throughout my school years here. I just never heard of that era, using those words. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:00, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
No problem. Lord Milner (talk) 03:32, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Robert Devereux 2nd Earl of Essex[edit]
I am quite interested in the 3rd Earl of Southampton & noticed you had included in the information about him (derogatory) quotes from a letter written by a soldier William Reynolds to Sir Robert Cecil regarding the 3rd Earl of Southampton & the 2nd Earl of Essex, however I notice you have not included the quotes in the 2nd Earl of Essex information. Why is this? 81.110.1.225 (talk) 20:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, IP user. It is likely that none of the thousands of people you are addressing on this page had anything to do with either of the articles you refer to. It is also quite possible that different editors worked on the two articles The best place to discuss how an article can be improved is on the talk page of the article, in this case Talk:Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex. ColinFine (talk) 22:57, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello ColinFine, regarding Robert Devereux 2nd Earl of Essex, sorry that my reply is so late. Is it possible to add to the 2nd Earl of Essex article, the information included in the article of the 3rd Earl of Southampton regarding quotes from a letter written by a soldier William Reynolds to Sir Robert Cecil about the 3rd Earl of Southampton & the 2nd Earl of Essex. I realize it would also be important to include the information of Duncan-Jones that William Reynolds may have been a paranoid schizophrenic... Thank you for taking time to consider (& perhaps rectifying this). Best regards Jessy L 81.110.1.225 (talk) 23:12, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- IP user, every editor here is a volunteer, and works on whatever they want. Someone might be interested in doing what you asked, or maybe not. The place to ask is on the talk page of the article. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the advice, Jessy L 81.110.1.225 (talk) 18:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- IP user, every editor here is a volunteer, and works on whatever they want. Someone might be interested in doing what you asked, or maybe not. The place to ask is on the talk page of the article. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello ColinFine, regarding Robert Devereux 2nd Earl of Essex, sorry that my reply is so late. Is it possible to add to the 2nd Earl of Essex article, the information included in the article of the 3rd Earl of Southampton regarding quotes from a letter written by a soldier William Reynolds to Sir Robert Cecil about the 3rd Earl of Southampton & the 2nd Earl of Essex. I realize it would also be important to include the information of Duncan-Jones that William Reynolds may have been a paranoid schizophrenic... Thank you for taking time to consider (& perhaps rectifying this). Best regards Jessy L 81.110.1.225 (talk) 23:12, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
How is it actually supposed to be?[edit]
Is it so that an article must actually be written by a person who knows about that topic a lot, or can it be created by anyone, regardless of how much the person knows about the topic (just for the sake of making a link blue)? Excellenc1 (talk) 13:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- Excellenc1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about a topic that meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. As long as you can summarize sources, and are aware of the relevant notability guidelines, there is no requirement that you personally be knowledgeable in the topic you are writing about. 331dot (talk) 13:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
@331dot What is a general blueprint of an article? Almost all of the articles I've made are translations since I don't know what all to add while making an article independently. Excellenc1 (talk) 14:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- I know that such a thing exists but I don't know the link to it off the top of my head. I bet that someone else around here does, though. 331dot (talk) 15:14, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Excellenc1:, every article is potentially a blueprint. For example, if you want to write an article about a famous historical figure, you can find any good article about a similar historical figure, and structure your article similarly, adopting the same formats for its sections, adding images in the same way, etc.; just change the actual text, images etc. to say what you need to say about your subject, and reference appropriately. Elemimele (talk) 16:21, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- I know that such a thing exists but I don't know the link to it off the top of my head. I bet that someone else around here does, though. 331dot (talk) 15:14, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- Excellenc1, no, an article should not be written by somebody who is ignorant of the subject area. The article Pentagonal tiling is worthwhile and fascinates me; but if it didn't exist, nobody heeded my pleas to create it and I tried instead, then I'm sure there'd be a great risk that my creation would include idiotic mistakes. My ignorant creation might mislead readers and waste the time of other writers. Before creating an article in a given subject area, be sure to gain experience in improving existing articles in that subject area, and getting feedback that suggests that your mistakes, if any, are very few and very unimportant. -- Hoary (talk) 03:08, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I fully agree. Sometimes I have stumbled on something I'm fairly ignorant about, thought, "Hey, this meets GNG!" and made an article. Often short and incomplete, but that's fine in the WP-environment, since I'm not ignorant about WP. Sometimes other writers have improved them considerably, that's not wasting their time. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Hoary, wow that article is interesting. Thanks! 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:22, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Help with an Article about a Person[edit]
Hi, I am writing to ask about an article that I started Draft:Apurba Kumar Bardalai. This happens to be about a retired Indian Army officer, who is now one of the foremost experts on United Nations Peacekeeping. The Article has not been approved, since the section on Career has inadequate verifiable references. Now since he is ex-military, most of those claims are difficult to support with links to news articles and such sources. How does one provide such information under these circumstances? Would it be advisable to simply delete such information and allow the article to develop over time? Any ideas from experienced editors would be welcome. Thanks. Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 00:55, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Jonathanvarunbenjamin. Are you connected to the person you're trying to create this article about is some way? I'm asking this because you've uploaded three files to Commons showing the subject at various times as your "own work". One of the images is from 1992 (and it looks like it was scanned from a newspaper), the other is a photo from 2009 that seems like was taken in Lebanon, and the last one looks like a profile photo taken last year that can also be seen used online here. Are you the copyright holder of each of these images? Generally, as explained here, "own work" means you are the creator of the work; for example, you're the photographer who takes the original photo, the artist who paints the painting, the designer who designs the logo, the composer who composes the music, the author who writes the book, etc. "Own work" doesn't mean that you got the photos from somewhere, scanned them, and then uploaded them to Commons. This isn't really related to the notability of subject of the article per se and won't affect whether the draft is ultimately accepted; it does, however, affect whether Commons can keep the files you uploaded.As for the notability of the subject of the article, you might want to try asking at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics, Wikipedia:WikiProject United Nations or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history since those three WikiProjects seem the ones that might cover someone like Bardalai. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Marchjuly. Thank you for your time and reply. No, I am not related to the person, other than the fact that I happen to be from the Indian Military. As far as the three files are concerned, all of them belong to the Person themselves. So I will follow your advice and ask for permission on email, before changing the Copyright tags. Thank you for this. I didn't have this knowledge.
- I will make the necessary changes and take actions, after which I will come back to you with a request for reviewing the Article. Thank you once again. Cheers.
- Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 07:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Did you serve under or with this person or are you otherwise professionally connected to him? Is he a friend? You don’t necessarily have to be a relative to have a connection to him? As for the photos, copyright is typically held by the person who takes a photo, not by the person in the photo. Moreover, physically possessing a photo is not the same as being the copyright holder of a photo. — Marchjuly (talk) 09:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Not directly under the Person, but in the same Army. As far as the photos are concerned, I have confirmed that he is indeed the Copyright Holder of them - they are from his personal collection, taken by himself. He was consented to sharing with a Creative Commons Licence, an email for which he is sending.
- Thanks for the guidance!
- Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 03:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Jonathanvarunbenjamin, he took those pictures himself? They don't look like selfies. Any thoughts, @Marchjuly or @ColinFine? I'm trying to assume good faith... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:39, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- It will be sorted out by the Volunteer Response Team one way or the other. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- That is obviously not what I meant. But your sarcasm notwithstanding, I'd expect you to assume good faith in that he had them taken with his own camera(s). The older photo is clearly from an era predating selfies. As for the newer ones, they have been taken using digital cameras/phones belonging to him & he is in possession of the original image files. Thank you for your time & comments. Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 14:15, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Jonathanvarunbenjamin: VRT will sort it out. If a VRT member looks at the email and finds everything to be in order, they will add c:Template:PermissionTicket to the acceptable files' pages. If there are any issues with the email that were sent, they will explain them to the sender via email and add c:Template:Permission received to the files' pages. If there are issues that can't ultimately be resolved to VRT'S staifaction, the files in question will be eventually deleted. One possible issue is that it's generally the person who takes a photo who is considered the copyright holder, not the person in the photo and not the person who owns the camera. Giving your camera to someone and telling them to take your photo can make copyright authorship a bit of a gray area and copyright doesn't automatically revert to the person who owns the camera simply because it was taken with their camera. The headshot photo might be OK since there doesn't appear to have been much creativity added by the person who took the photo or if it can be shown it was a work for hire. The other two, however, might be harder to resolve because of the dates they were taken and their complexity (various creative considerations which might be eligible for copyright protection seemed to be involved in the taking of each photo). It could be argued that the persons taking those two photos added quite a bit of their creativity to them and thus they could claim partial copyright authorship over the photos. You might want to look at meta:Wikilegal/Authorship and Copyright Ownership#The Example of the Third Party Photographer for reference. Finally, one thing to understand about Commons is that it requires images be 100% free or PD in their country of origin/publication and in the US. Being 100% free or PD in only one of the two is usually not considered sufficient and such files can be deleted per c:COM:PCP. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Firstly, thank for the detailed and very useful explanation. It has really help me understand the nuances relating to the issue of Photograph Copyrights. I shall keep them in mind and have them conveyed to the Owner of the material. The difficulty in resolving the two photos is understandable. I however wonder if the context in which they were taken - both photographs of military personnel taken in operation areas, makes it easier to resolve; given that it is normal practice for military personnel to have their photos taken - to keep in their personal collections. I sincerely hope the VRT considers this factor.
- Once again, thank you very much for helping me out. Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 02:03, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Jonathanvarunbenjamin: VRT will sort it out. If a VRT member looks at the email and finds everything to be in order, they will add c:Template:PermissionTicket to the acceptable files' pages. If there are any issues with the email that were sent, they will explain them to the sender via email and add c:Template:Permission received to the files' pages. If there are issues that can't ultimately be resolved to VRT'S staifaction, the files in question will be eventually deleted. One possible issue is that it's generally the person who takes a photo who is considered the copyright holder, not the person in the photo and not the person who owns the camera. Giving your camera to someone and telling them to take your photo can make copyright authorship a bit of a gray area and copyright doesn't automatically revert to the person who owns the camera simply because it was taken with their camera. The headshot photo might be OK since there doesn't appear to have been much creativity added by the person who took the photo or if it can be shown it was a work for hire. The other two, however, might be harder to resolve because of the dates they were taken and their complexity (various creative considerations which might be eligible for copyright protection seemed to be involved in the taking of each photo). It could be argued that the persons taking those two photos added quite a bit of their creativity to them and thus they could claim partial copyright authorship over the photos. You might want to look at meta:Wikilegal/Authorship and Copyright Ownership#The Example of the Third Party Photographer for reference. Finally, one thing to understand about Commons is that it requires images be 100% free or PD in their country of origin/publication and in the US. Being 100% free or PD in only one of the two is usually not considered sufficient and such files can be deleted per c:COM:PCP. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Jonathanvarunbenjamin, he took those pictures himself? They don't look like selfies. Any thoughts, @Marchjuly or @ColinFine? I'm trying to assume good faith... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:39, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Did you serve under or with this person or are you otherwise professionally connected to him? Is he a friend? You don’t necessarily have to be a relative to have a connection to him? As for the photos, copyright is typically held by the person who takes a photo, not by the person in the photo. Moreover, physically possessing a photo is not the same as being the copyright holder of a photo. — Marchjuly (talk) 09:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nobody has answered your original question, Jonathanvarunbenjamin, so Ill try. If information has not been published anywhere, then it does not belong in a Wikipedia article, period. If it has been published only by sources connected with the subject, or it plainly comes from the subject, then it may be usable, but with restrictions: see WP:ABOUTSELF. ColinFine (talk) 15:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you! I have now removed all the portions that haven't been published. But I have left the references to published works of the Person. I guess they are acceptable, since all of them pertain to his field of expertise - UN Peackeeping - a field in which he is one of the foremost experts, regularly participating in conferences and discussions at the highest level.
- Could you spare some time to go through the draft and share some more valuable guidance? Thank you for your time!
- Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 03:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Adding a page about a micronation established by yourself[edit]
Hello there! I have been trying to add a new Wikipedia page about my 5-year-old micronation, in which the main purpose is to show more people the accurate information about my micronation and I wish people that are interested in the same topics as me can get along with each other. But I got rejected once while submitting the old draft. May I know what is the solution to the potential issue of my page? I wish to be successfully accepted because my micronation is about to celebrate its 5th anniversary in May and a new Wikipedia page would be a huge milestone for my micronation. Thank you for your grateful understanding!
The micronation page: Draft:Constitutional Republic of Eintrachtia C.R.Eintrachtia (talk) 11:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- The solution is to rebuild the draft from material provided in reliable sources (as reliability is defined in Wikipedia). My guess is that these sources don't exist. If they do not (or until they do), please stop your attempt to interest Wikipedia in an article on this "republic" of yours: continuing would only waste people's time. -- Hoary (talk) 11:41, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- @C.R.Eintrachtia I went to newspapers.com, which has data from over 20,000 newspapers, and searched for articles on Constitutional Republic of Eintrachtia. There were none. I searched on Google and Google Books. Nothing on the above-mentioned micronation. If you have read Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners you should understand that a new draft article for Constitutional Republic of Eintrachtia can't be attempted until you have found a reliable reference for every fact you want to include in your article. It appears that you will need to celebrate your fifth anniversary without a Wikipedia article. Perhaps you can begin promoting the upcoming celebration in hopes of getting some newspaper articles written about the micronation. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- @C.R.Eintrachtia Notability is a large hurdle. Also, the name of the country is listed as "Constitutional Republic of Einstrachtia" in one spot. Isn't there a stray "s" there?
- The entire article looks like a copy from https://sites.google.com/view/eintrachtia. @Hoary, @Karenthewriter, the source page doesn't have an explicit copyright statement, but is this a copyvio anyway? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:57, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @73.127.147.187 there may be copyrigh>t violations but since this draft article has been Rejected (not just Declined) by two reviewers it can never become an article in its present form. However your point is valid, and all editors need to be careful that they are not violating any copyright law by just rearranging what someone else has written and published. We should always use our own words to restate what others have written, unless using a short direct quote, which should always be referenced as being a quote. Karenthewriter (talk) 15:08, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Karenthewriter well, they were the words of the article's author ...
making it not suitable for showing notability, I supposewell, nevermind, due to the rejection, and I said the wrong thing anyway. Sigh.... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)- If you had a question it wasn't the wrong thing to ask. I've worked in law offices, and I write when I'm not on Wikipedia, so I know copyright law violations can be complicated, and cases have gone to court to decide if one writer stole another writers work. But when it comes to Wikipedia articles I tend to stick to Wikipedia rules, which is that you should find at least 3 reliable places where the article subject has been written about, to show that it's a notable subject. (Notable by Wikipedia standards.)
- It is likely that not too many people, other than the person who wrote the article about the micronation, thinks that it is notable. If he/she/they quoted themselves in what you found on that Google site that would just be their opinion, and it doesn't prove that there are other people who think the micronation is notable. I've had some articles published in newspapers and magazines, but I would never use what I had published as a references for a Wikipedia article I decided to write, even though I wasn't lying in anything I had published. I would find what at least three other people had published about that subject, just to make sure I wasn't giving my own opinions. I hope my reply makes sense to you, and doesn't confuse you more. Best wishes in your efforts to help here at Wikipedia. Karenthewriter (talk) 13:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Karenthewriter, yes it makes sense, thanks. My comment meant to say that the draft might be a copyvio, and the web page source (written by the author of ths draft, who is also the "owner" of the micronation) wouldn't even get considered for whether it shows notability. That source is the "vanity site" of the micronation, and its content was lifted wholesale for the draft. Obviously it doesn't matter, due to the (appropriate) rejection. Interesting, though. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:19, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Karenthewriter well, they were the words of the article's author ...
- @73.127.147.187 there may be copyrigh>t violations but since this draft article has been Rejected (not just Declined) by two reviewers it can never become an article in its present form. However your point is valid, and all editors need to be careful that they are not violating any copyright law by just rearranging what someone else has written and published. We should always use our own words to restate what others have written, unless using a short direct quote, which should always be referenced as being a quote. Karenthewriter (talk) 15:08, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
References[edit]
For my article submission, I have cited a number of newspaper and magazine articles as references. However, I have these articles as physical cuttings in my files. How do I place these articles on the internet so that they be linked to as a valid reference? Mysky2blue1 (talk) 12:19, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Mysky2blue1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The newspaper articles do not need to be online, but you do need to be able to provide the necessary publication information so that others could locate them if they wished; name of the publication, date, author, page number, etc. You would need to do that even if the sources were online. If your clippings lack any of that information, they unfortunately cannot be used. 331dot (talk) 12:35, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Do I upload them somewhere on Wikipedia? Mysky2blue1 (talk) 12:48, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Mysky2blue1—No, you do not have to upload them anywhere; as 331dot states, give the necessary details: the name of the publication, the date, the author, the page number, the volume, the link (if there is one, which there likely isn't in your circumstance), et cetera. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 12:57, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Mysky2blue1 When I say "so that others could locate them" I mean in a library or newspaper archive, not online. 331dot (talk) 14:46, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Mysky2blue1—No, you do not have to upload them anywhere; as 331dot states, give the necessary details: the name of the publication, the date, the author, the page number, the volume, the link (if there is one, which there likely isn't in your circumstance), et cetera. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 12:57, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Do I upload them somewhere on Wikipedia? Mysky2blue1 (talk) 12:48, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Indeed, Mysky2blue1, unless the cuttings are so old that they are out of copyright, it would be a copyright violation for you to upload them. Many websites do not worry about this, but Wikipedia does, and forbids linking to copyright violations. ColinFine (talk) 16:12, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- As an old school person (in college, doing term papers at the same time as the Founders of the Personal Computing revolution), I never cease to be blown away by people questioning whether books and newspapers and magazines--physical stuff that gets physically dusty on physical library shelves--are valid sources for research. In my day, if a thing was only at a library other than your regular one, you: traveled to that other library, or; took an interlibrary loan, or; got your own library to buy a microfilm from that other library. Uporządnicki (talk) 15:48, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
My article is considered for deletion but the discussion is inactive[edit]
Hello, my article FoodBeeper is considered for deletion. I want to have more opinions and a fair debate, but no one seems interested in taking part in the discussion. How do you suggest I carry on this discussion? Thank you. Regards, Rymknows23 (talk) 14:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Rymknows23—An administrator could possibly relist it to generate a more thorough discussion. Also, I would advise not relisting it yourself, since you are not an administrator. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 14:49, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- 3PPYB6 Thank you, it has been relisted. Rymknows23 (talk) 09:09, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Rymknows23, and welcome to the Teahouse! First, I just want to acknowledge how stressful it can be to have an article of yours nominated for deletion, so thank you for being so civil. The way our process works is that nominations are relisted until they have enough participation, so you don't need to worry about attracting others to it, and indeed, I'd advise against it to avoid any appearance of canvassing.
- There are a few steps you can take to help improve the article's odds of surviving the AfD, though. What editors !voting in the discussion are looking for (per WP:NCORP) are at least two examples of significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. "Significant" here generally means something like a normal-length newspaper article focused entirely on the company. "Independent" generally means that the content of the article was created by the journalist, as opposed to a republished press release from the company. "Reliable" here means that the article appeared in a respected mainstream newspaper, ideally with a regional or national audience and evidence of an editorial process (e.g. their about page mentions fact checking/a corrections form).
- So your first step is trying to make sure you've found the best possible sources. We can help you here if you're wondering whether or not a particular source qualifies. If they have Wikipedia articles, I'd recommend linking them in the citations (if they're in other languages, you can use {{interlanguage link}}; let us know if you need help with that). Once you've found them, you can write a comment at the AfD presenting your three best candidates, explaining why each of them meets each of the criteria above. After that, just sit back and wait; you can reply to comments if you have something else to add, but otherwise just wait. Ultimately, if it's found notable, excellent, and if not, it's possible it'll become notable sometime in the future after more coverage is published. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 16:28, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Sdkb, thank you so much for the detailed explanation, I really appreciate it. one of the newspapers I cited actually has a French Wiki page, I'll try to bring that up in the discussion. Best regards, Rymknows23 (talk) 09:12, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- I understand your frustration, Rymknows23, but a major reason why I haven't commented there is that you invited me to do so. I don't particularly blame you for having done so, as you did so openly (it's on my talk page) and you have even said on the AfD page that you'd done so, and anyway you're new to this. The AfD has already been widely (and legitimately) advertised: "This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink, Companies, and Algeria [...] Business, Internet, Transportation and Websites". (Indeed, this may be the widest advertising for an AfD that I've ever seen.) I am surprised not to notice any comments from any editor with a particular interest in Algeria. Note that no comment has demonstrated any kind of indignation about the article or its creator; so if the AfD succeeds (if the article is deleted) but the company is later the subject of more substantial write-ups in reliable sources, then, as Sdkb has suggested, a (better) article on the company should be possible. -- Hoary (talk) 23:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hoary, Thank you for clearing things up. Best regards, Rymknows23 (talk) 09:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- AfDs sometimes attract a lot of talk, sometimes little or none (another example). -- Hoary (talk) 12:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hoary, Thank you for clearing things up. Best regards, Rymknows23 (talk) 09:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Why can't I upload a file?[edit]
In the last two or three days I have tried several times to upload three files but nothing happens - for minutes into hours the window just says 'Upload in process - Your file is being uploaded.' I have successfully uploaded some similar files in the last week or two.
These are non-free files, intended for use in the article Michael O'Connell (artist). I wonder if the problem is that I have contravened a rule of some kind.
How can I find out what's going on? Tpsoconnell (talk) 15:18, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Tpsoconnell: Hmm, that's odd. If you'd broken a rule and been banned from uploading, you would've heard, so I don't think it's that. Is the file hosted anywhere online? (If so, we can try, and we'll see if we encounter the same issue or not.) What is the extension? If you're able to give a super detailed account, WP:VPT might be able to help. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 15:58, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- I tried the uploads again today. Two of the files uploaded immediately. The other one stalled for a long time, I cancelled it, then tried again somne time later, and it worked.
- I conclude that the upload process is glitchy, at least for me. What's it like for other people? Tpsoconnell (talk) 11:52, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- There’s no other similar complaint either here or at WP:VPT, so if it is a global problem, it must be a rare one. I would guess the problem is somewhere between the Javascript on the upload page, your browser, your internet connection, ... Hard to diagnose especially if it’s on-and-off. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:18, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Query regarding adding gallery pictures[edit]
I wanted to add some Gallery pictures {from the Commons) to the artist Frank Moss Bennett article. However, as soon as I put the word ==Gallery== before the References four preview warnings came up relating to the infobox template. How do I insert the Gallery without this problem BFP1 (talk) 17:07, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- @BFP1, it had nothing to do with what you were adding. I've removed the old parameters in the infobox that are no longer valid parameters, so you should have no further problems. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Task Force Creation[edit]
Hello, I have a couple of people interested in starting a task force with me, and I'm trying to create a page for us to house all of our information and goals so we can recruit more participants. I plan to nest it under Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Congress, but am struggling with how to build a new page that will nest properly within this existing project. I've read through the task force guide but am still confused on the template ot make a new task force page. What text should I put at the top of the article to help it navigate properly? Thank you for helping me with this! Wildfire35 (talk) 19:16, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Task Force you say? Count me in! What am I supposed to do?Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 21:06, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Right now, I mainly need help making a page for the task force. I mostly edit existing articles and so am very inexperienced with creating new articles, especially on the WikiPortal. Do you know how this is done? Wildfire35 (talk) 05:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, Wildfire35, this link will take you to a Wiki page explain the process of article creation Wikipedia:Article creation. You get started and reply me the article link so I can work on it too.
- Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 00:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Organic Increse45: WP:AFC only applies to articles; it doesn't apply to WP:TASKFORCEs and that's what Wildfire35 is asking about. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Wildfire35: You can find out more about task forces at page I linked to above. A task force is basically a sub-group of a WikiProject; so, before you try and create this one, you probably should wait a see what kind of response you get at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Congress#2022 Elections Task Force just to make sure (1) a similar task force doesn't already exist and (2) there's actually a need for such a task force. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Right now, I mainly need help making a page for the task force. I mostly edit existing articles and so am very inexperienced with creating new articles, especially on the WikiPortal. Do you know how this is done? Wildfire35 (talk) 05:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Is a book that my professor wrote notable enough ? What determines notability for a publication especially one that is nonfiction[edit]
My prof wrote a book called "A world from Dust" (amazon link) and I was wondering if it would be possible to write a wiki article on it and what would determine if this book was notable or not ? Psi-Archimedes (talk) 21:35, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Psi-Archimedes: Check out the guidance at WP:NBOOK RudolfRed (talk) 22:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Psi-Archimedes, if you can find 2-3 more sources like this [1], you're probably good to go. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:51, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- One more: [2]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:59, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
How to deal with troublemaking newcomers[edit]
Hi, I've recently noticed repeated acts of vandilisim on articles. Any ideas how to stop them? Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 00:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! You may install Twinkle, by reverting the user's edits and placing a notice/warning on their talk page. You may also ask for permission at WP:RFP/R, but this would be installed by experienced users who have been reverting vandalism for a while. Severestorm28 00:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Organic Increse45, your desire to counter vandalism is commendable, but your very first edit was as recent as 18 March and you've only just learned how to edit "source". I wonder if you are even fully aware of what is and isn't vandalism. (It's clear that many editors who complain about "vandalism" are complaining about something else.) As you say you've recently noticed repeated incidents, perhaps you could here provide diffs of three unrelated cases, so that more experienced editors can reassure you that yes, when you see vandalism it really is vandalism. -- Hoary (talk) 01:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Are you saying that I lack the necessary experience to counter vandalism? I'll have you know that I do know what vandalism means.
- Vandalism, action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property. ( ͡▀̿ ̿ ͜ʖ ͡▀̿ ̿ ) Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 21:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- No, Organic Increse45, though you have me know that you can quote the opening sentence of the article "Vandalism", I'm saying that your lack of experience makes me wonder whether you're capable of differentiating between what is and isn't vandalism. -- Hoary (talk) 22:16, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Organic Increse45. What Hoary is referring to is vandalism on Wikipedia. While vandalism on Wikipedia does also involve
deliberate destruction
to a Wikipedia page, it's important to not just automatically assume that every "bad" edit is vandalism because doing so can often lead to misunderstandings and other problems between users. In some cases, incorrectly calling someone a vandal can even be considered a personal attack. You don't need special tools or permission to "fight" vandalism, but it can lead to problems if you're not careful. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)- Well I do have the experience to differentiate between what is and what isn't vandalism Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 23:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- OK. You should have no problems then. Your original question did make it seem as if you might not be sure because it's not the type of question that is typically asked by someone who is experienced is dealing with vandalism. Perhaps you should consider joining Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit because that project is always looking for experienced users to help out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:20, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Well I do have the experience to differentiate between what is and what isn't vandalism Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 23:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
General help about an article[edit]
Hello! I'm actually a veteran Wikipedia-n user but I mostly deal with the technical part and haven't spend much time dealing with the small details in regard to article creation, their progress to good articles, etc. Today I was reading this article and given that I enjoy that singer I got curious to see its talk page. There I saw this template that among other things said: Aurelio Voltaire was one of the Music good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. The only problem is that there is nothing below in regard to that. What is that template referring to? That talk page is also missing its archive. The edit summary in this edit reads archiving all 2006-2008 discussions (there don't seem to be any from 2010-2011) but it looks like with "archiving" it was actually meant just plain "deleting". (Is that a normal thing to do?) Maybe there used to be some suggestions which also got deleted and now that template doesn't make sense? Maybe that template has problems? Maybe I'm misunderstanding its meaning? As I'm said, I'm rather unfamiliar with these details about articles so I thought I'd start by asking here. Thank you in advance to whoever can provide some insight! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 03:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Good catch, Klein Muçi! You were right, it was wrong; I think and hope that I've now fixed matters; however, do please check this, as I am a bit too distracted now with other, WP-irrelevant matters to be able to concentrate. The GA-delisting discussion took place in archive 3. -- Hoary (talk) 04:22, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Hoary, ah so the archives were still in the old name. I see. But I'm still confused: What is that template referring to with There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. ? Below it is nothing. Or is it a general template that assumes that undoubtedly there will be discussions below it that would lead you in the right direction (but unfortunately this article is missing them)? - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Klein Muçi, good guesses. What you've italicized above should be interpreted as something like There ought to have been suggestions below for improving the article so that it would meet the "Good Article" criteria." There might not have been suggestions; and even if there were any, then since they were posted below they might have been shunted off to the/an archive of this talk page. Yes, en:Wikipedia can be a bit messy. -- Hoary (talk) 12:32, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Hoary, ah so the archives were still in the old name. I see. But I'm still confused: What is that template referring to with There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. ? Below it is nothing. Or is it a general template that assumes that undoubtedly there will be discussions below it that would lead you in the right direction (but unfortunately this article is missing them)? - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Irrelevantly, Klein Muçi, do you think that Draft:Gazeta e pavarur can be augmented? (It currently says so little.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:01, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Hoary, maybe I should go and change it then. Simply implementing a single word as "maybe" somewhere in that sentence can help make things less confusing. As for the draft you mentioned, it can definitely be improved but I'm not sure if it should be accepted or not. It says that it is the largest (? - What would that really mean for a newspaper? A more suitable English word can be found I guess.) newspaper in Albania even though it is a North Macedonian newspaper only created recently? I live in Albania and unfortunately I've never heard of it. (Maybe because of its very common name?) This may of course also come because I'm not really informed on newspapers so my words should be taken with quite some salt. - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:33, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Irrelevantly, Klein Muçi, do you think that Draft:Gazeta e pavarur can be augmented? (It currently says so little.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:01, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Klein Muçi, like so many en:Wikipedia articles, Aurelio Voltaire is poor. Note for a start the way in which it blathers on about his name. There are people whose names merit explanation (example); but this article fails to suggest to me that there's any good reason to doubt that his full name is Aurelio Voltaire Hernández (for legal and other formal purposes) and that his working name is Aurelio Voltaire. If this is indeed so, then it's an orthodox name, fitting the standard Cuban pattern. Compare the article Raúl Castro, for which a simple headnote suffices: "In this Spanish name, the first or paternal surname is Castro and the second or maternal family name is Ruz." And that's just the start of the article on Voltaire; some of what follows is worse. (Try for example the paragraph starting [badly] "In mid-2013, Voltaire had written a novel called 'Call of the Jersey Devil' which is available on Amazon.") What I find extraordinary is that this thing was ever a "Good Article". You're very welcome to improve it (and to ignore the unrelated Draft:Gazeta e pavarur). -- Hoary (talk) 22:40, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Hoary, I do share the same viewpoints with you unfortunately. (The "example" was very interesting.) I'm a big fan of the said artist and following his career and personal life (he has a videoblog on his YouTube channel where he often talks about personal details, among other things) for many years I can confirm that most details are correct even though the overall semantics can be improved and also updated (for example, if I'm not wrong, he has published another book lately, currently not listed there). I may consider working on it on the near future. Thank you for your help and guidance!
- I also opened this discussion about the template on the talk page if you're interested in following. - Klein Muçi (talk) 01:33, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Klein Muçi, like so many en:Wikipedia articles, Aurelio Voltaire is poor. Note for a start the way in which it blathers on about his name. There are people whose names merit explanation (example); but this article fails to suggest to me that there's any good reason to doubt that his full name is Aurelio Voltaire Hernández (for legal and other formal purposes) and that his working name is Aurelio Voltaire. If this is indeed so, then it's an orthodox name, fitting the standard Cuban pattern. Compare the article Raúl Castro, for which a simple headnote suffices: "In this Spanish name, the first or paternal surname is Castro and the second or maternal family name is Ruz." And that's just the start of the article on Voltaire; some of what follows is worse. (Try for example the paragraph starting [badly] "In mid-2013, Voltaire had written a novel called 'Call of the Jersey Devil' which is available on Amazon.") What I find extraordinary is that this thing was ever a "Good Article". You're very welcome to improve it (and to ignore the unrelated Draft:Gazeta e pavarur). -- Hoary (talk) 22:40, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Is it ok to copy paste an article from the french wikipedia[edit]
Is it ok to copy paste an article from fr.wikipedia.org (webpage : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Joseph_Alexis_de_Noailles), which about a french politician, translated? Tacomelon (talk) 04:28, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Tacomelon, by "copy paste an article [...] translated", do you mean "translate an article"? -- Hoary (talk) 04:48, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Tacomelon, guidance at Wikipedia:Translation, there are RULES. First, decide if you think your politician meets the en-WP demands at WP:BASIC. If so, continue per the translation guidance. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:25, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Calling newbies: Like toys? Want to try referencing?[edit]
I've just come across the article Solar-powered watch. It's a short article and (putting aside their quality for a moment) it has five discrete references. Not obviously bad. But then one notices that (still putting aside their quality) the references all support the claim that Orient makes solar-powered watches. Nothing else in the article is referenced. (I wish I could say that this 17-year-old article's lack of referencing makes it a freak, but this would be untrue.)
Well, if you're looking for an article that merits improvement, here you go.
Notes:
- All five of the references are to the same website; five of them are no better than one would be, and anyway the website is rather a feeble source.
- An extraordinarily high percentage of what can easily be found on the web about wristwatches is promotional bullshit. Look for reliable sources!
Good luck with this (and if I like what I see, I'll upload a photo of a Ricoh Elemex example). -- Hoary (talk) 07:42, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- I've had a go of this, struggling to find anything about them being popular with kids in the 80s though. -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 10:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Definitely an improvement already, Notcharizard. Thank you. But, as I'm sure you realize, some way to go.... Hoary (talk) 12:36, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Ghosty(producer)[edit]
Hey I recently wrote the article on the subject above (Ghosty) on The English Wikipedia about 3 days ago and it has been stalled on its review and it's indexing. I created the disambiguation a few days later and that was reviewed and patrolled. May an admin and or a patroller please review it.
M XR98 (talk) 09:20, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm curious. Why does that article use American date format? - X201 (talk) 10:06, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Is providing a summary on your contributions required? (alternative title: What do I do with a case like this?)[edit]
So let's say a user does 743 contributions across about a month (technically it's an IP range, but the pattern is so similar there's no distinction), and of these contributions:
- some remove internal wiki links for pages that don't exist (1);
- others add interlinks to pages that do exist (2);
- some change the interlink from one that redirects there to the final one (3, 4, 5, 6);
- some fix things (7, 8);
- or just change the style (9, 10, 11, 12);
- or add helpful page links (13, 14);
- or change anchor links that don't exist anymore to just a link to the page (15);
- some use infobox formatting to improve and even add stuff missing from it (16, 17);
- one removes a non existent parameter (I think?) from an infobox and adds an existing one (18);
- one adds an end date to a marriage (due to death) and helpfully adds a relative that was missing from the infobox (19);
- another ignores editor comments, removes it and does exactly what the comment asked not to do (20);
- some more add an end date to a marriage due to death (21, 22)
- another removes redundant (I guess) information from infobox (23);
- others add information from the article to the infobox (24, 25);
- some use infobox formatting to improve and even add stuff missing from it (26, 27);
- some ignore editor comments and even remove them to do exactly what they asked not to do (28);
- some delete stuff for who knows what reason (29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35);
- one adds the display size of the image set to (supposedly) the default (36);
- some do multiple of the above at once (37(deletes names, marriage end), 38(enforced default image size, adds missing relative, some infobox sorcery I don't understand), );
- and finally some do things that I don't really see what effect it had (39, 40)
I was (and still am) very much tempted to invest the time categorizing every one of the 743 contributions, but for now I just picked contributions at random.
So yeah, the range Special:Contributions/2405:204:3020:A2B5:BD4E::/64 is doing that, and not a single one of their 743 contributions has a summary that isn't just the automatic ones with the section they edited...
Like, is that okay to do? I get that that's a lot of contributions, some good some seemingly bad (no idea on the percentage though since categorizing all 743 of them is daunting and probably not a short process), but at the same time they're all minor changes and they're so varied that that if there's at least one person in each page that doesn't like the contributions they can revert it (and unless the contributions got buried they would be pretty easy to revert if noticed).
So more concise questions:
1. Is not typing a summary for each change disruptive (in this scale)?
2. Is this (very likely one) user being disruptive enough to warrant reporting? And if so, how would one report someone like that?
3. Which specifically of the behaviours I listed is a no-no that I should immediately revert if I see?
And honestly I posted this because I'm not sure what to do about this IP range and editing behaviour at all, and I'm half-hoping someone will know exactly what to do and maybe will even handle it so that I don't commit hours to comb through all of their contributions sorting the good and the bad into a neat timeline grouped by IPs to make a report(when I find the courage).
But really just some advice would be fine and this felt like the best place to ask. Thank you for your time.
2804:F14:C060:8A01:49F8:DD91:13DA:F750 (talk) 12:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, 2804:F14:C060:8A01:49F8:DD91:13DA:F750, and welcome to the Teahouse. Per WP:ES, leaving an edit summary is not required, but is strongly recommended. Not typing an edit summary is not disruptive, but will impede communication and might trigger some unintended responses (e.g.: someone thinks it is unexplained content removal). I don't think this user received a final warning; if they did and they disrupted past the final warning, then you can report them to WP:AIV. If you still think this user is problematic, report them to WP:ANI. To answer your final question, though, I would only suggest immediate reversion of the unexplained removal of sourced content—it doesn't look like this user has vandalized Wikipedia yet.
- Also, just some technological advice: typically, one person has access to an entire /64 CIDR range (in this case 2405:204:3020:A2B5::/64). This might be why they are making the exact same contributions—the whole range is that one person. Hopefully this helps. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 14:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah it doesn't seem that they've ever been disruptive enough to get warned 4 times, they've really only been warned once, and info-warned 3 times: info1(10th of March), info2&warn1(14th of March) and info3(4th of April).
- It does look like they are being helpful, even if sometimes they seem to enforce the style they're going for even with editor warnings asking not to 😅.
- As to the /64 range (for IPv6 at least) commonly being accessible to one person, I did notice that (specially when I made this AIV Report, it was really obvious then).
- Also I've noticed that you don't really need to remove part of the IP, you can just tack /64 at the end of the contributions link and it works just the same, more convenient.
- But really these answers do help a lot, it convinced me that there's no point in combing through their contributions and no problem in letting things happen naturally (with this user), which is great.
Thank you. – 2804:F14:C060:8A01:44CA:6E00:BBE0:33A (talk) 00:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah it doesn't seem that they've ever been disruptive enough to get warned 4 times, they've really only been warned once, and info-warned 3 times: info1(10th of March), info2&warn1(14th of March) and info3(4th of April).
Info from another country Wikipedia[edit]
Hi there! Is it OK to use some info from another Wiki? I mean if I use some info I found in Korean Wikipedia is it OK? And if I do I guess I have to use it as a reference?
Thanks. Fisforfenia (talk) 13:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Referencing other Wikipedias isn't a good idea for the same reason teachers tell you not to use Wikipedia as a source in assignments: they're edited by anyone and therefore are not reliable sources per Wikipedia:User-generated content. However, if the information in the Korean Wikipedia is cited to a reliable source, you should just cite that reliable source instead - and if the sentence/prose you use is derivative of the Korean prose, see Help:Translation for attribution stuff. casualdejekyll 13:23, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Fisforfenia sorry, forgot to tag! casualdejekyll 13:23, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Horizotal Gif Creation[edit]
Hi, I would like to find out how to create a group of horizontal gif's on wikicommons; having about four images and creating a horizontal gif moving from left to right or how do can I get gif images on climate or human right and how can I make this gif's move from left to right on wikimedia commons. I will be using the gif's on this meta-page (Wiki-Green Con) -> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki-Green_Conference. Jwale2 (talk) 14:12, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Jwale2, PLEASE don't put moving images in an article. It is very distracting for many people, and in my opinion, makes the article harder to read. My eyes and brain will thank you. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:34, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- As this is a commons and meta-related issue, @Jwale2, I think your question would be more relevant at c:Graphic Lab. Do you mean a gif where you already have all frames or a gif where you only have key frames and want to interpolate? there's a significant difference in how that would be done. casualdejekyll 19:09, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks @Casualdejekyll for your response, I would want to animate the images on the meta-page header[3] in a gif form, do I make a request at c:Graphic Lab. Jwale2 (talk) 19:47, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- It's worth noting that those are vector graphics, where as GIFs, as far as I know, are raster graphics. Am I wrong in saying that? Regardless, yes, I believe c:Graphic Lab is the place to go here, @Jwale2 casualdejekyll 20:52, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks @Casualdejekyll for your response, I would want to animate the images on the meta-page header[3] in a gif form, do I make a request at c:Graphic Lab. Jwale2 (talk) 19:47, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- As this is a commons and meta-related issue, @Jwale2, I think your question would be more relevant at c:Graphic Lab. Do you mean a gif where you already have all frames or a gif where you only have key frames and want to interpolate? there's a significant difference in how that would be done. casualdejekyll 19:09, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Missing information[edit]
My father is on here, John Standing, and I nearly lost the will to live after my mother died in trying to update her information and just noticed that he has a grandchild, William Edward Leon, missing...who is now 20 years old! How does this kind of information get added without going through yet more multiple hoops. Best Alexander.John Standing Ajl12no (talk) 15:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Ajl12no—I'd suggest reading WP:GNG to see if Mr. Leon is notable enough to be added into the article. Also, if you think there is any sensitive information here, please read WP:BIOSELF for further assistance since you are a son of the subject in question. Finally, since your father passes GNG, that is why he is on Wikipedia. Hopefully this helps! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 15:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you 3PPYB6 (like a droid out of Star Wars)! With all of the Acronyms lurking and endless complex and mostly unintelligible instructions, this is Chinese to me. In Plain English, who or what do I contact to get information updated? Wikipedia is simply far too complex for an average computer user like me. Thank you again, Best C3PO. 85.255.236.85 (talk) 16:59, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- In plain English, Alexander, because of your conflict of interest you should not directly edit the article about your father, but you are welcome to make edit requests on the article's talk page (see that link for the details of how you do this). Note the following:
- if you are asking to add or change information, the information you want to add must have been published somewhere, and it simplifies things if you cite where it is published. Information from your personal knowledge or from unpublished papers may not be used in Wikipedia. It is preferable if the published source is independent of your father, but for certain kinds of information, non-independent sources are acceptable
- If you are asking to remove information (or replace it with other information) then if the information you are wanting to remove is not cited to a published source, there is no problem. But if it is cited to a source that appears on the face of it to be reliably published, then there may be a problem, and you would need to provide (at least) another published source which gave the different information. The standard for Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth.
- If you make an edit request, there may be a delay before a volunteer gets round to looking at it. When they do, they might make the edit exactly as your have requested, they might reject your request (they should give you a reason if they do that) or they might decide to apply your request with some modifications. Of course you are free to discuss this with them, but in the end articles are determined by consensus and neither you nor your father have any special rights to control what is in the article about him.
- I hope that clarifies things for you. ColinFine (talk) 21:23, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Ajl12no: Presumably after you started this thread, Theroadislong has removed quite a lot of "personal life" material. I agree with most of the removal, because Wikipedia is selective about the information it presents. The part about "voiced M in a James Bond radio drama" should probably be reinstated if there is a source for it.
- The original complaint still has a point - if personal life details are included, the level of detail should be consistent - we should certainly mention grandchildren if we mention the marriage of his half-sister (!). TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:09, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Lua error[edit]
On the page Colorado State Highway 12, there is a Lua error in the table in the section called Major intersections. I lack the ability to fix this and wanted to bring it to your attention. With best wishes, Jeffrey Beall (talk) 15:51, 7 April 2022 (UTC).
- Hello, Jeffrey, and welcome to the Teahouse. I am not seeing any problem in that article. What device and browser are you looking at it on? Do you see the problem on other devices? (It's possible that something distant from the article was broken and has now been fixed. I don't see any messages at WP:VPT that sound like this though). ColinFine (talk) 21:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- The error has somehow disappeared. Thanks for checking. Sincerely, Jeffrey Beall (talk) 21:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC).
Resurrecting a section of text[edit]
Further to my queries about a "missing editor" on 5th April. As, so far, I have been unable to contact the editor who deleted my contribution to Direction finding I wish to reinsert the section on "Microwave DF" back into it. Can I press "undo" on the appropriate line in "View history" on (31st August 2021) to do this, or should I insert the section again anew? This may get it deleted again, but it will at least it will flush out the editor involved. What do you think? Please advise. D1ofBerks (talk) 15:59, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @D1ofBerks: I haven't looked into this matter very deeply, but undoing the edit that reverted your addition won't work (there have been too many intervening edits since then). Your addition was very large and may startle regular editors of the article if you just readd it. It would probably be best to copy the material into a sandbox in your user space, then leave a note on Talk:Direction finding, directing editors to that sandbox and asking whether they think it suitable for addition to the article. If the consensus supports the addition, you can readd it then. Deor (talk) 17:42, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
How do I nominate an article for deletion?[edit]
I came across this old stub that I really do not feel passes as notable—Pacific Union Club Punch—how do I nominate an article for deletion? Thank you. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 16:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Th78blue, See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. You can use Twinkle for easier deletion nominations. Kpddg (talk) 16:25, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Done at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pacific Union Club Punch casualdejekyll 19:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- I have Twinkle, I'll need to figure out how to do that, and thanks casualdejekyll ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 19:16, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Fixing Articles Written Like Advertisements[edit]
Hello, Wikipedians. I'm trying to fix some of the "suggested edit" articles on my homepage. Almost all of them are listed as needing basic copyediting, which I know how to do, but a significant amount (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc.) specifically need to be rephrased to not sound like advertisements. I've read through the MOS and some of the policy pages for help, but I still don't fully understand how I could rephrase them, and other articles, to be less like advertisements. Any specific advice? SkronklyScrimblo (talk) 16:36, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @SkronklyScrimblo: Greetings, and thanks for stopping by! Sometimes, these tags are invalid, either because the problems have been fixed, or because they really didn't apply in the first place. Your first example, Pretty Pet Salon, doesn't seem to suffer from problematic tone, so I went and just removed the tag. It had been in the article for nine years, and whatever state it was in when it was added (maybe it needed to be tagged, maybe not, who knows?) it certainly doesn't look applicable now. So I just removed it. The second looks similarly mistagged. I haven't looked at the others, but I find that the "advert" tag is often mis-added by some people who think that any article about a commercial entity or product is an advertisement, and tend to "tag bomb" such articles. In general, the "advert" tag should be used only in articles where the tone of the text looks like "ad copy", or otherwise is promotional, using lots of "purple prose" and the like. The first two articles I looked at in your list don't seem to have such a problem. Wikipedia:Identifying blatant advertising is an essay about identifying advertisements masquerading as articles if you want to read some more. --Jayron32 16:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Jayron32 Alright, thank you for the fast and detailed response! Have a nice day, I'll keep this in mind when doing those copyedits from now on. SkronklyScrimblo (talk) 16:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Some of those advertisement tags were placed a long time ago, so they've likely been cleaned up substantially already. But there are still some things to look out for. For example, in the Pet Salon one, in
pioneering title in the "Pretty Pet" series of apps
, "pioneering" has a bit of subjective puffery built in to that word, and is sourced to a press release. In the Men of War article, this sentence:Two new, story-driven campaigns are added along with new features like the Vietnamese jungle and Cold War weaponry of early 1968.
The use of the word "new" here twice is not necessary and seems to "puff up" the game, rather than just describe it, and may showcase some unnecessary details. I might rephrase to:Two story-driven campaigns were added along with additional locales and weaponry.
Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 16:53, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Banning ("Blocking") a New User Within 40 Minutes of the ANI (Aministrator's Noticeboard Incident)[edit]
How common is this? I found this alarming. Shouldn't I? I do not believe that the banned user so much as had a chance to be informed of the "ANI?" Doesn't this seem rather perfunctory? Thanks in advance. 69.112.128.218 (talk) 17:15, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello. If you have a grievance with an administrator action, please bring it to WP:ANI. This board is not for that sort of discussion. Thanks 331dot (talk) 17:20, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- I have no grievance. Sincerely.
- Thanks for the "answer" but I just want to know - how common was this?
- 69.112.128.218 (talk) 17:24, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- This is a curious line of questions if you have no grievance. Blocking users in general is not what I would say is common, but administrators have a duty to stop disruption to this project, sometimes quickly. The user was informed. 331dot (talk) 17:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- I was not referring to any specific user. What is the timeframe of an ANI instigation, the action taken, and the time that the accused user within that ANI's focus is informed? Can it be only several minutes, indeed? 69.112.128.218 (talk) 17:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, in any case, I guess this is kind of getting to the point of beating a dead horse. So, if this happens, it is abnormally hasty, and normally, your reply suggests, that it is uncommon. Thank you so very much for the astute reply. Keep up the good work. 69.112.128.218 (talk) 17:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Speaking as an administrator, I routinely block disruptive editors quite rapidly. There is no need for lengthy discussion in clearcut cases. Cullen328 (talk) 18:35, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- So. We have a position that is it's quite rare, and your position is that it can be very routine? It can be "normal" to ban a user account even before the ANI topic has been posted more than an hour? 69.112.128.218 (talk) 21:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- There exist AN/I threads that are just that straightforward, and those ones generally tend to get acted on within the hour. More involved threads, however, are unlikely to see rapid action (or if they do, there's a fair chance the administrative action may be overturned if consensus is that the action was not needed). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 22:10, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- That being said - as far as Wikipedia is concerned, blocks and bans are different. Blocks can be unilaterally overturned (provided the blocked user has a decent argument for why the disruption won't continue) while bans require either a community discussion or elevated responce to overturn. Bans can also be applied without a block, such as with topic-bans. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 22:12, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Very good. It appears that (to me at least) not only am I quite a novice at this stuff, and that contributes to my confusion, that there are more complexities involved here than can be explained in a few paragraphs. I only hope that we all can be open minded and fair, and to not confuse ideological differences with overt mischief and conflate a conflicting position with online vandalism. That is my hope. I see that if a user continually is posting obscenities and silly nonsense on random pages it might be reason for very swift action, on that I do see justification. I think that freedom of speech should be one of the tenants here though, with the recognition that "freedom" of speech is not the same as "frivolity" of speech. I admit I did see a case of very swift action, against a user, who it seemed to me was not being frivolous, but did have an outlying perspective. That is beyond, at least currently, my understanding, at this point in time. Which is why I posted the question above! Thanks to all for your forbearance and patience. 69.112.128.218 (talk) 22:37, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- See WP:NOTAFORUM, as this "general" question seems to have some very specific subtext to it. Free Speech is a constitutional contract between government and people, it does not apply to Wikipedia or any website. Talk pages are for discussions about article content, not a place for people to express their views on a particular subject. So if an editor is disruptive, then yes a block will come quickly to prevent such disruption and an unblock can come just as quickly if they acknowledge the issue and resolve to not do it again. Slywriter (talk) 22:48, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks user:slywriter; When you state that "free speech is a constitutional contract ... government ..." (assuming "The" constitution is the USA's constitution) that seems odd to me. To me, freedom of speech is a human right that is not "man made" or ordained by men, but is something every human being is born with, and it is "inalienable" which means it cannot be taken away -- even by Wikipedia. No government can take it away, no entity can take it away. This concept was promoted by the Founding Fathers of the USA, in my opinion, and it is tied to the inalienable right of all humanity to liberty (I would submit that liberty cannot truly exist without freedom of expression/speech). I'll defend your right to say that it isn't though!!! Just because someone won't agree with another person doesn't mean that they no longer have the right to make conflicting statements. It isn't the government that gives that right, in my opinion. In my opinion the freedom to speak comes naturally, it's in our blood. That's what makes the world go round, right? Thanks for the interesting perspective. I totally understand your position. I believe you have an inalienable right to think what ever you choose to think. The same goes for every human being, every user on Wikipedia, and that said, you only have so much room for opinion here, pretty much, it seems, or even at that, no room for opinion. You have an inalienable right to that position, to boot. So be it. I'm not interested in causing any discomfort or conflict. If you're so inclined, and to say that you see some kind of subtext here, and you say that unblocks can come as swiftly as blocks, maybe that user still has some hope for clemency. You certainly understand a lot more about the situation than I do. I'm basically just a bystander that witnessed a bust-up and asked a few questions. Nothing more. 69.112.128.218 (talk) 23:05, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- See WP:NOTAFORUM, as this "general" question seems to have some very specific subtext to it. Free Speech is a constitutional contract between government and people, it does not apply to Wikipedia or any website. Talk pages are for discussions about article content, not a place for people to express their views on a particular subject. So if an editor is disruptive, then yes a block will come quickly to prevent such disruption and an unblock can come just as quickly if they acknowledge the issue and resolve to not do it again. Slywriter (talk) 22:48, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Very good. It appears that (to me at least) not only am I quite a novice at this stuff, and that contributes to my confusion, that there are more complexities involved here than can be explained in a few paragraphs. I only hope that we all can be open minded and fair, and to not confuse ideological differences with overt mischief and conflate a conflicting position with online vandalism. That is my hope. I see that if a user continually is posting obscenities and silly nonsense on random pages it might be reason for very swift action, on that I do see justification. I think that freedom of speech should be one of the tenants here though, with the recognition that "freedom" of speech is not the same as "frivolity" of speech. I admit I did see a case of very swift action, against a user, who it seemed to me was not being frivolous, but did have an outlying perspective. That is beyond, at least currently, my understanding, at this point in time. Which is why I posted the question above! Thanks to all for your forbearance and patience. 69.112.128.218 (talk) 22:37, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- So. We have a position that is it's quite rare, and your position is that it can be very routine? It can be "normal" to ban a user account even before the ANI topic has been posted more than an hour? 69.112.128.218 (talk) 21:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Speaking as an administrator, I routinely block disruptive editors quite rapidly. There is no need for lengthy discussion in clearcut cases. Cullen328 (talk) 18:35, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- This is a curious line of questions if you have no grievance. Blocking users in general is not what I would say is common, but administrators have a duty to stop disruption to this project, sometimes quickly. The user was informed. 331dot (talk) 17:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Nobody’s right to speak freely has been taken away; there are plenty of ways someone can speak their mind that don’t involve Wikipedia. If someone enters your house or place of business, you can let them say or do whatever they want if you like. Perhaps even at some point (even after only 40 minutes) you may decide enough is enough and start imposing restrictions or maybe even ask them to leave. They have no inalienable right to be in your house if you don’t want them there. For sure, they can continue to speak their mind and exercise their right to free speech somewhere else if they want; they can even complain about you asking them to leave and how you’ve violated their rights if they want. You don’t, however, need to let them back in your house to do any of those things if you don’t want to. — Marchjuly (talk) 00:16, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Removing autoconfirmed from my account[edit]
I would like to know if it's possible for administrators to remove the autoconfirmed permission. I requested that all my permissions be removed, but they didn't take out the autoconfirmed. I would like to know if administrators are allowed to remove the autoconfirmed permission. Interstellarity (talk) 17:53, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse! AFAIK, no. They can't. But, why do you want it be removed anyways? There other ways as well, I think, that can help you with your purpose. Regards.Lightbluerain❄ (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 17:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Lightbluerain,
- The reason I want autoconfirmed to be removed is because I'm not going to use it. That's why I asked for my other rights to be removed as well since my activity has decreased at this point. Interstellarity (talk) 18:06, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Interstellarity: I think that autoconfirmed is granted automatically by software and not something that can be added or removed by admins. You should ask the admin who processed your request at WP:AN to confirm. RudolfRed (talk) 20:24, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Do archives have a shelf-life? Are they forever or do they disappear eventually?[edit]
Archives can save so much time when it comes to content disputes and I want to know if they ever get deleted. Is it possible to keep them somehow if they do? DN (talk) 18:57, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Darknipples They are generally meant to be forever. Some of WP:s earliest edits are lost I'm told, and editors don't have to archive their own talkpage stuff, or can archive selectively. But if so, the page edithistory remains anyway. Sites like archive.org may have versions too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:08, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Moving Ru:wiki pictures onto Commons to expand 25th Guards Motor Rifle Brigade[edit]
Dear all, after the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine has begun I have been sporadically filling in some of the remaining Russian units without articles, today creating 25th Guards MRB. Its predecessor unit the ru:13-й гвардейский стрелковый полк has a number of interesting photos on its Ruwiki page but they are not hosted on Commons - they're on Ruwiki. Does anyone know anyone who could advise on moving them to Commons so they could be added to other language Wikipedias? Buckshot06 (talk) 19:39, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Buckshot06: You will first need to ascertain the copyright status of the images. If they are in the public domain, or licensed properly (99% of the time, that means CC BY-SA or a less restrictive CC license), then you can move them to Commons. Otherwise, you cannot (Commons only accepts free images), but you may be able to transfer them locally (to en-wp, and possibly other languages) after checking the local policy for non-free images (for en-wp, that is WP:NFCC, other Wikipedias differ, for instance IIRC de-wp accepts no non-copyright-free images whatsoever).
- For how to do it: Special:Upload for a local (en-wp) upload of non-free images, commons:Special:UploadWizard for a global (Commons) upload of free images.
- If you have a question about a particular image, feel free to post a follow-up with a link to the exact picture and if possible the date it was taken etc. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 08:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks so much Tigraan!! Very useful to know I had to "re-up-load" them, and couldn't "move" them. Buckshot06 (talk) 07:11, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Creating a new page if I have a conflict of interest[edit]
Hi, I would like to create a page for Francesco Petruccione. I have a lot of knowledge on him and his work, therefore I would be able to obtain and publish a lot of content on him. But once that is started, I would like other members of the Wikipedia community to elaborate the page with more detail. It is in the public interest of the Quantum Machine Learning community to have information on Francesco Petruccione in Wikipedia. How do I go about doing that ethically and correctly? Please advise. Many thanks, warm regards, Rene Kotze NITheCS (talk) 19:52, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Here is another page where Francesco Petruccione is referenced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_machine_learning in References number 1 and 2. NITheCS (talk) 19:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Here is another page where Francesco Petruccione is referenced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_machine_learning in References number 1 and 2.
- I've answered you at the Help Desk, please only use one method of seeking assistance at a time. 331dot (talk) 20:15, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Editing[edit]
Hi, I'm new here and I have one question about editing articules:
Can I edit them only in english?
Thanks for help <3 LupusAtram (talk) 20:11, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- LupusAtram Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As this is the English Wikipedia, edits need to be in English(unless there are some specific cirucmstances necessating something else). There are versions of Wikipedia in many lanugages, if your preference is (or you simply desire) to edit in other languages. 331dot (talk) 20:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @LupusAtram: although English WP must be written in English, and so you must generally edit in English, it doesn't have to be grammatically perfect English. Editors who are fluent in a foreign language are a great asset to English WP even if their own English is a little wobbly, because they can understand the nuances of sources in their own language, and search for sources that a purely English-speaking editor would never find. Also, if you are yourself fluent in English but want to use your skills in other languages within English WP, there is always a need for good translators to translate articles from other Wikipedias that we lack (provided, of course, that they meet English WP's standards). Elemimele (talk) 22:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Help with References[edit]
My wiki: Draft:WRBL-FM So I need help makeing References list on Wikipedia page 2600:6C40:5700:EE91:E919:1E35:B2F3:455C (talk) 20:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Read other radio station articles. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 20:44, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hey, IP editor! Have you taken a look at referencing for beginners? Bsoyka (talk) 20:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Excuse me?
Please do not ever give this sort of response to anyone, you failed to welcome them, you failed to tell them that you appreciate the fact that they are asking questions, your reply was dismissive and sounded passive aggressive, I’m not sure I’m seeing you as an official host, please you can either choose to be very polite at Teahouse or refrain from answering questions there if you cannot be polite, Nick Moyes, 331dot & Cullen328 toil very hard to see that the Teahouse is the friendliest place a newbie can come and feel loved and appreciated answers like the one you gave is very much counter productive. Celestina007 (talk) 22:33, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Celestina007It was helpful hint. Take a break. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 22:41, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
VentureWiki's edits at Seahenge and The Pickwick Papers look like vandalism[edit]
Special:Contributions/VentureWiki edits at Seahenge and The Pickwick Papers need review. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 20:42, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hey, 0mtwb9gd5wx! This isn't really the place to take that; perhaps talk to them on their talk page first? Bsoyka (talk) 20:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- It looks like vandalism. ....0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 22:38, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- 0mtwb9gd5wx, the edits did indeed need review, and they were rightly reverted. But how did they look like vandalism? -- Hoary (talk) 22:46, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hoary, Bsoyka, there may be a better word than vandalism, I just meant it looked like something that may need to be reverted. Raw links were suprising:
- https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrIN6UXCk9iqkMA9BsM34lQ;_ylu=Y29sbwNpcjIEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1649375895/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.corshamcivicsociety.co.uk%2fcharles-dickens-pickwick-and-the-pickwick-papers%2f/RK=2/RS=85AeqTs_C1xLWnxjqRI1lTTzfV4-
- https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrINmDGBU9i3CAAOQIM34lQ;_ylu=Y29sbwNpcjIEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1649374791/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.museums.norfolk.gov.uk%2fcollections%2ffeatures%2fseahenge%2fholme-ii/RK=2/RS=sj2inMsdSlkoAiVXr2YkJT5_LEk-
- ....0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 23:01, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- It looks like vandalism. ....0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 22:38, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- 0mtwb9gd5wx, please remember that "vandalism" imputes malicious intent. I suspect malicious intent fairly often, and even then I hesitate before calling it "vandalism": I first need to be pretty sure of malicious intent. Here, I don't even start to suspect malicious intent. -- Hoary (talk) 23:28, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Recovered sandbox edits[edit]
Hello! I have been editing in the sandbox but my computer crashed and now none of the edits I made are showing up. Is there a way to recover this work through version history? Thank you! Mmmccorm (talk) 01:40, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse; I doubt it, but a good tip is to copy/paste the editing pane contents up to a cloud - I use a draft webmail, then it's available to any device. I too have lost stuff.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 01:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC) (I am not a Teahouser).
- @Mmmccorm it depends on if you saved what you were working on before your computer crashed. I just checked my own sandbox. I always work on edits in a separate offline computer document before adding changes to an article, and only copy it to my sandbox if I want to make sure my formatting is correct. To investigate your question I looked at my own sandbox history, and only work that I saved in order to briefly keep it in my sandbox shows up in my edit history. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:41, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
How do I create a new article about a YouTuber?[edit]
I want to create a page/article on q YouTuber but don't know how Nascar rules (talk) 02:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Nascar rules: Welcome to the Teahouse. As you are a newcomer, I strongly going through the interactive tutorial and editing existing articles before trying to create an article, as that is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. When you feel ready, take a look at Your first article and make sure you have enough reliable sources to establish the subject's notability as Wikipedia defines it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:46, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Nascar rules, Wikipedia:WikiProject YouTube/Notability may be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- The vast majority of "YouTubers" do not merit articles, as they do not have significant coverage in independent reliable sources. The number of followers that they have is irrelevant towards this. 331dot (talk) 08:23, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Moving a page[edit]
Hi Wikipedians! I want to move the page Munawar Sultana to Munawar Sultana (actress) to disambiguate it from Munawar Sultana (singer), but I am unable to do so. According to move log, someone had moved the page "without leaving a redirect". I couldn't understand what happened there. Can somebody guide me on this? Thanks. Insight 3 (talk) 04:27, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Insight 3, maybe you could try to request a move. Kpddg (talk) 04:35, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Insight 3: Before you request a move, make sure, that the current Sultana is not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC though. If she is, then the correct way is to place a WP:HATNOTE in the existing article (which I now did for the time being). See WP:ONEOTHER for details. Regards SoWhy 07:39, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Insight 3, I was just about to add a disambiguating hatnote to the article on the actor when I noticed that SoWhy had already done so. I don't think that any further action would be helpful. On the matter of primary topic, compare:
- Munawar Sultana: page views in last 30 days, 949; length 16856 bytes; page watchers 5
- Munawar Sultana (singer): page views in last 30 days, 98; length 6551 bytes; page watchers 1
- -- Hoary (talk) 07:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Insight 3, I was just about to add a disambiguating hatnote to the article on the actor when I noticed that SoWhy had already done so. I don't think that any further action would be helpful. On the matter of primary topic, compare:
about my article you declined[edit]
hello dear i want to oknow why you declined my article and what should i need ? more references ? so i need articles on media ? should i be coverage ? Xpertig (talk) 08:40, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Xpertig:, have you read the text that says why Draft:Dolama Alzain was declined? You need to show that this person is "notable", which means (in Wikipedia jargon) there are sources which are simultaneously (1) reliable (random blogs don’t count), (2) independent of the subject (interviews, promotional materials etc. don’t count) and (3) deal with the subject at length (entries in music catalogs don’t count). 99% of the time, such sources are newspaper articles, yes, but not all newspaper articles qualify. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 08:58, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Xpertig, assuming this is about Draft:Dolama Alzain. See WP:BASIC and WP:BLP. Neither Anghami or Medium (website) helps the argument for WP:N, you need better independent WP:RS about him. Also, don't include biographical info you can't cite. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:01, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Xpertig Also, you uploaded the image of him as "own work". Did you take it yourself with your own camera, or did you just find it online and uploaded it as "own work" anyway? WP takes copyright seriously. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, Xpertig, the text says he's "a Palestinian filmmaker and writer" (no mention of music), whereas the infobox says that his genres are "Arabic music" (no mention of filmmaking). -- Hoary (talk) 10:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Edit Company Page[edit]
Hello, I am working with Actis Capital and we would like to update the corporate page, as the information currently displayed is out of date and incorrect. Could you please advise on the best way for us to do so. Georgia10c (talk) 09:12, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Georgia10c Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The first thing you must do is make a formal paid editing declaration on your user page, please see WP:PAID for instructions and more information.
- Your company does not have a "corporate page" here, there is a Wikipedia article about your company. You may make a formal edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page, detailing changes you feel are needed. Preferably they should be sourced to an independent reliable source as Wikipedia is primarily interested in what others say about your company, not what it says about itself(except for certain factual information where primary sources are acceptable). 331dot (talk) 09:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
How to find sources for old stats?[edit]
Like in Languedoc-Roussillon, there's a line that says "Catholicism is the most represented religion in the region" or that "By 2020, the number of people aged over 75 is expected to increase by 12% across the region". These are simply based on the translation from its French version, couldn't find any sources. Where to find? Excellenc1 (talk) 09:33, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- If you don't get a good answer here, consider asking at fr-WP. And there's the reference desk. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:10, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- You might plonk the template {{Référence nécessaire}} (or one of the others described within Aide:Référence nécessaire) immediately after any unreferenced assertion (or rather any that, if verifiable, would be of interest and worth adding to the English article), and see if anyone provides a reference; if they did, of course you could then look up the reference. -- Hoary (talk) 11:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Can I add an image to a draft?[edit]
I want to know if I can upload an image to a draft I'm creating. If so, how? MikeTimesONE (talk) 10:55, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- If we're talking about Draft:Midnight Society (game studio) adding an image won't stop a fourth "Submission declined" notice. The answer to your question is that it depends what image you want to add. We need to know that before we can give you a full answer. - X201 (talk) 11:07, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- I want to add an image of the studio's logo. MikeTimesONE (talk) 11:08, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Assuming that the logo surpasses the threshold of originality, it could only be uploaded for fair use within this or that specified article. It's not possible to claim fair use within a draft. Therefore: Simply, forget about it for now. -- Hoary (talk) 11:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @MikeTimesONE If/when the draft is accepted, upload it here:[4] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- I want to add an image of the studio's logo. MikeTimesONE (talk) 11:08, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Sourcing separate quotes of the same source material[edit]
Hello! I haven't seen an article that has this situation, but I'm curious how Wikipedia will handle it. For example, I have a single source material that says this:
The sun is pretty big, but the moon is not so big. The sun is also quite hot.
If I want to cite in an article this source material for both the quotes The sun is pretty big
and The sun is also quite hot
, what would the reftags look like? LightNightLights (talk) 11:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- If they're quotes, they need (it needs) to go in quotation marks. "The sun is pretty big [and] is also quite hot."[single reference] Or "The sun is pretty big."[reference] [intervening text] "The sun is also quite hot."[repetition of the same reference]. -- Hoary (talk) 11:13, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I meant "quotes" as
quote=
parameters of a citation template (e.g. {{Cite news}}). Assuming that the usages for these sentences (The sun pretty big.
,The sun is also pretty hot.
) are distant from each other and that I want the<ref>
-tags next to them to have differentquote=
parameters but also want them to point to the same source material (in this case, something likeMiller, Edward. The Sun. Academic Press, 2005, p. 1.
), what would those<ref>
-tags look like? LightNightLights (talk) 11:37, 8 April 2022 (UTC)- Ah, I understand what you're asking for, LightNightLights. Unfortunately I don't know how to achieve it. But the denizens of Help talk:Citation Style 1 will know if it's possible, and, if it is, then how. -- Hoary (talk) 12:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. LightNightLights (talk) 12:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, I understand what you're asking for, LightNightLights. Unfortunately I don't know how to achieve it. But the denizens of Help talk:Citation Style 1 will know if it's possible, and, if it is, then how. -- Hoary (talk) 12:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I meant "quotes" as
- @LightNightLights: Does Wikipedia:Citing sources#Repeated citations (and the things it links to) answer your question? TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 13:05, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- From the page you linked, I stumbled upon the page for short citations, which I frankly didn't stumble upon when I was reading WP:CITE. The only problem is that the example given there talks about different pages of a full source, not different sentences/quotes of one. Borrowing from that page, however, would citations in this format be proper short citations? If not, what would be?
Miller, 2005, p. 23, "The Sun is pretty big."
LightNightLights (talk) 13:42, 8 April 2022 (UTC) (edited LightNightLights (talk) 13:49, 8 April 2022 (UTC))Miller, 2005, p. 34, "The Sun is also quite hot."
Help with Special Notes[edit]
In a article I'm translating, there's a specific distinction between two similarly named things that would be awkward to mention outright in the article but also needs clarification for most English-speaking readers. I've decided to include a note, as a footnote, and optimally when hovering over it, the text will show, as it does for references. However, I also want the label on the brackets to not be a number and instead be a string. Is this possible? And is it possible to separate this note from the reference list?
Also, is it possible to include internal links within notes?
TypistMonkey (talk) 13:07, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @TypistMonkey: Welcome to the Teahouse. I think what you're looking for is explanatory notes, and yes, wikilinks can be used in them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:14, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, that does seem to be what I'm looking for. Do you know where I could find any articles that use them? I'm having trouble formatting them in. TypistMonkey (talk) 13:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @TypistMonkey: American Revolutionary War has a Notes section that makes ample use of wikilinks in the efns (explanatory footnotes). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, that does seem to be what I'm looking for. Do you know where I could find any articles that use them? I'm having trouble formatting them in. TypistMonkey (talk) 13:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Microsoft Teams[edit]
Add a picture of the Teams for Classroom 2603:7080:7403:18F0:9415:1C24:24DE:6CB9 (talk) 13:44, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for wanting to help improve Wikipedia: the best place to make a suggestion for improving an article is on that article's talk page - in this case, Talk:Microsoft Teams. However, the fact that all editors are volunteers who work on what they choose means that a suggestion like yours probably won't get taken up unless it happens to catch the interest of an editor. Also, adding pictures is a bit tricky, because of copyright: screenshots of proprietary software are almost always copyright, and can only be used in Wikipedia in very limited circumstances. ColinFine (talk) 14:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
From sandbox to draft file[edit]
Is there a way to move my sandbox into a draft file with the references fast? Because when I copy the sandbox, the links are there but not the references.
Thank you. Fisforfenia (talk) 14:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Fisforfenia: User sandboxes can be submitted to AfC just like drafts. That being said, I have moved User:Fisforfenia/sandbox to Draft:Lee Seung-joo for you. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:08, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Victor Schmidt OMG!! Thank you SO much!!!!! :D Fisforfenia (talk) 18:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Censorship[edit]
I have updated a page, receives a message that said I was writing misinformation. I have a screenshot of before and after , and this shows leftist censorship. Jimmymac2019 (talk) 15:05, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Jimmymac2019: You called some protesters "racist" and "ANTIFA" with no reliable source for such characterizations. The whole of the paragraph you edited has now been removed from the article, since it lacked any sourcing. See WP:V and WP:RS; Wikipedia requires citation of reliable sources for any statements in its articles, and doing so is not "leftist censorship". Deor (talk) 15:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, the warning you received says that your edit "did not appear constructive", not that it involved "writing misinformation". Deor (talk) 15:42, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Jimmymac2019 and welcome to the Teahouse. Along with @Deor above I would say that the editors that have had interactions with you have been quite cordial, civil and informative. I would ask that you do the same when discussing issues with us and not exaggerate or conflate the situation more than it needs to be. I would recommend hanging back and observing how others edit here, pick an editor that has been doing it for a while, then familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policies by reading them. Here are a few to get you started WP:N, WP:V, WP:RS, WP:YFA, WP:COI among many, many others. I would also recommend going through the Wikipedia Adventure if you are serious about wanting to edit here. Information added that is not supported by reliable independent secondary sources may be removed at any time. That's not censorship, that's policy. I hope this helps and good luck! --ARoseWolf 16:16, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, the warning you received says that your edit "did not appear constructive", not that it involved "writing misinformation". Deor (talk) 15:42, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Why or how can I access my aol mail?[edit]
Its been several weeks since I have not been able to access aol mail. My search has taken me though Wikipdia and other sources with no success 2604:CB00:1F32:3600:B46B:2487:395B:E47B (talk) 16:21, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Unfortunately this is something we cannot help you with at Wikipedia; you should contact AOL support for issues like this. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Correct usage of sandbox[edit]
Can I create a sandbox as a subset of an article talk page? Or does it have to occur on my own sandbox? I am trying to 'prototype' an update to a section and it was suggested that I use a sandbox. An example would be helpful if editors have one at the ready. Thanks SmolBrane (talk) 16:35, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, SmolBrane There is no sandbox associated with individual articles, so you have to use either your own or the free-for-all at WP:Sandbox (which I don't recommend as it gets cleared out very frequently). Of course, if you have a minor suggestion for an article change that you want others to comment on, you could just edit into the Talk Page of the article to show your idea. That's the principle that's used when people make edit requests on articles that are locked to them, e.g. articles that new editors or IP editors can't directly edit. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:29, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Where to ask?[edit]
Hello, where would I go in order to make an edit request on something (that I assume is) managed by administrators? Specifically I was going to make a suggestions for the "wikilove" when you press the little heart on someone's user page. I doesn't seem to be based on a template. -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 16:42, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Notcharizard: I assume there's likely some MediaWiki code behind it all hidden away somewhere, but I wouldn't know exactly. Perhaps ask this at WP:VPT; more likely to get an answer for technical things there than here. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 17:11, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Notcharizard: You're probably going to want to go to mw:Talk:WikiLove for that. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:13, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Cheers both, much appreciated! -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 17:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
WHY DID YOU DELETE MY EDIT[edit]
I MADE IT BETTER AND THATS A FACT Uyuhnhiu (talk) 16:51, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Uyuhnhiu: Whoa! Take it down a notch, buddy. No one likely reading this deleted your edit. Also, please don't type in all caps unless you intend to be seen as shouting, it's very rude. You've made three edits to articles, this one here which looks like you're just goofing around, this one here, where you added some personal commentary to the article, and This one here, where YOU deleted a bunch of text with no explanation. Wikipedia is a serious project, and I would advise that you stop playing games quickly. If you want to edit articles and genuinely help, please start doing that, but if you continue to play games, you may be blocked from editing further. --Jayron32 16:55, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- The originator was blocked by Cullen328 for WP:NOTHERE --ARoseWolf 20:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
hey[edit]
Courtesy link: Draft:Regular Show (2022 series)
mind if you make my page official (Regular Show '22 draft page) Mardecayrigboi12436 (talk) 17:41, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- idk you need to find a page reviewer. Dawn Lim (talk) 18:38, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, Mardecayrigboi12436. Your draft has been commented on by two experienced editors. They have concluded that it has insufficient content, and in particular lack of sources, to be included in the encyclopaedia at present. The main problem, I think, is that it is WP:TOOSOON to be writing about a show which won't even begin airing until August and hence has no independent commentary to convince Wikipedia editors it is noteworthy enough for article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:09, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Mardecayrigboi12436, hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for coming here with your concerns. As @Dawn Lim has pointed out, an AfC reviewer will have to move your draft to main space. However, you may want to consider some things first. Your draft has no sources for us to verify the information by. Sources help us determine whether a subject is notable (See WP:RS and WP:V). Also, as alluded by @Michael D. Turnbull (They already provided a helpful link), I noticed that the subject show has not made its debut yet and may be in early to mid stages of development. Perhaps when it gets closer to the airing of it's first episode there will be additional sources that may give it significant coverage, especially as it seems to be a reboot of a very popular show. Writing an article from scratch is the most difficult task an editor can do on the encyclopedia. I encourage you to read WP:YFA and seek help or guidance here or by asking an experienced editor. You may also want to try out the Wikipedia Adventure. I hope our advice helps and good luck! --ARoseWolf 19:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, Mardecayrigboi12436. Your draft has been commented on by two experienced editors. They have concluded that it has insufficient content, and in particular lack of sources, to be included in the encyclopaedia at present. The main problem, I think, is that it is WP:TOOSOON to be writing about a show which won't even begin airing until August and hence has no independent commentary to convince Wikipedia editors it is noteworthy enough for article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:09, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read notability to start to understand the basic requirements for a Wikipedia article. When you have spent a few months making small improvements to existing articles and thereby learning how Wikipedea works, you may be ready for the very difficult task of creating a new article from scratch: please read Help:your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 21:03, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Rejection Query[edit]
Hey, My first article has been rejected Draft:IEEE_Photonics_Technology_Letters. I've tried looking at Wikipedia:Notability_(academic_journals) to see what I need to add to provide this but am struggling to work it out. Looking at other published artiles from journals from the same society hasn't helped (IEEE Journal of Quantum Electronics and Journal of Lightwave Technology). Any suggestions greatly appreciated Carver1889 (talk) 20:34, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Carver1889, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for identifying two out of the many thousands of seriously deficient articles that were created before we enforced our standards to the degree that we do today. I have tagged both of them with some of their problems: they may well not meet the criteria for notability. Please see other stuff exists.
- Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If you can't find sources independent of the subject then there is literally nothing that can go into the article. I was going to recommend you look at some Good articles about physics journals, but I haven't been able to find any. All the articles about IEEE journals that I have looked at appear to be just as poorly referenced. ColinFine (talk) 21:18, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- I would be an inclusionist with regard to IEEE journals and a deletionsist with regard to 'sports'; so it bit depends on your biases. Found Deletionism and inclusionism in Wikipedia interesting. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 23:58, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Carver1889, there are differences of opinion about notability of topics in academics among reviewers. Academics doesn't generate coverage in the news media the way many Wikipedia topics do. Your article has not been rejected, just declined. Criterion C2 in Wikipedia:Notability (academic journals) is met by using Journal Citation Report as a reference for the unreferenced impact factor in your article and a reference for the Scopus listing. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @StarryGrandma Thank you for the suggestions, I may actually have a copy of the JCR data somewhere! Most of the time I'm happy to not generate news coverage except when we need funding and now it appears when I want to add something to wikipedia. (I don't have a COI with any IEEE journal) Carver1889 (talk) 21:54, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
I'm happy to not generate news coverage except when we need funding
Out of curiosity, who is "we," if you don't have a COI? You don't have to say who you are, but the way you phrased it makes it appear that you have an external relation to this. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 22:25, 8 April 2022 (UTC)- Yes, that could have been phrased better. I work in a research field that is within the scope of this journal so endup reading it a lot. Not one I've published in, the page limit is quite tight. Carver1889 (talk) 23:12, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @StarryGrandma Thank you for the suggestions, I may actually have a copy of the JCR data somewhere! Most of the time I'm happy to not generate news coverage except when we need funding and now it appears when I want to add something to wikipedia. (I don't have a COI with any IEEE journal) Carver1889 (talk) 21:54, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
How do I edit?[edit]
I think i just forgot how to create my own page, can you guys help me with editing? TtpWiki (talk) 00:28, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Just click on your username, and just create your own user page. Severestorm28 00:35, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi TtpWiki and welcome to the teahouse! if you mean creating a brand-new article in wikipedia, you can check over at WP:Your first article to help with that. that, and don't forget to get as many reliable, independent sources as you can. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 01:23, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Disambiguation Link Notification[edit]
I just received a Disambiguation Link Notification from DPL bot. It says "You added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Distinguished Service Cross. Such links are usually incorrect..." but when I go to the article,The Clay Pigeon and click on that link (it's in the "Depiction of Japanese Americans" section) it goes right to the appropriate page. Am I missing something? Pete Best Beatles (talk) 02:38, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi Pete Best Beatles and welcome to the teahouse! Distinguished Service Cross is a disambiguation page, however Rodw has fixed the disambiguation for you, linking it to the proper page Distinguished Service Cross (United States). happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 02:45, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Melecie:Thanks for responding. Is there someplace I could go to learn about this problem, so I can fix it myself next time? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 02:58, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Pete Best Beatles, thanks for asking the question to find out more about WP:Disambiguation. Around 500-800 links to disambiguation pages (dabs) are created each day on wikipedia. It is rarely the intention of the editor & not particularly useful to readers, who should be directed to the relevant article - in this case Distinguished Service Cross (United States). The guideline at WP:Disambiguation explains the issue and suggests ways you can avoid the problem or deal with it once identified. Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links provides a range of tools and (daily) reports for identifying dab links, which a small number of us try to resolve. If you have further questions you are welcome to contact me via my tak page.— Rod talk 07:21, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Pete Best Beatles: There's a great way to avoid and recognise inadvertent DAB links that uses a trick with your personal css page (see WP:css if you don't know what that is). You need to paste the code .mw-disambig { color: #FF8921 !important; } /* Orange */ into a line of your css page that you'll find at Special:MyPage/common.css. Now DAB links appear (in preview and after saving) as orange rather than blue links. The code .mw-redirect {color: green;} does the same for links that go to redirect pages, turning them green. Used together, these make the various type of links stand out and, for example, I'm able to see that Distinguished Service Cross is a DAB-link as it is always in orange in my browser. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull:, that's a great suggestion, and very revealing on some pages. I would add that the orange disambiguation links remain after I visit them, but the green redirect links go back to the standard 'visited' colour. Is that to do with the '!important' tag? -- Verbarson talkedits 20:31, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Pete Best Beatles: There's a great way to avoid and recognise inadvertent DAB links that uses a trick with your personal css page (see WP:css if you don't know what that is). You need to paste the code .mw-disambig { color: #FF8921 !important; } /* Orange */ into a line of your css page that you'll find at Special:MyPage/common.css. Now DAB links appear (in preview and after saving) as orange rather than blue links. The code .mw-redirect {color: green;} does the same for links that go to redirect pages, turning them green. Used together, these make the various type of links stand out and, for example, I'm able to see that Distinguished Service Cross is a DAB-link as it is always in orange in my browser. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Pete Best Beatles, thanks for asking the question to find out more about WP:Disambiguation. Around 500-800 links to disambiguation pages (dabs) are created each day on wikipedia. It is rarely the intention of the editor & not particularly useful to readers, who should be directed to the relevant article - in this case Distinguished Service Cross (United States). The guideline at WP:Disambiguation explains the issue and suggests ways you can avoid the problem or deal with it once identified. Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links provides a range of tools and (daily) reports for identifying dab links, which a small number of us try to resolve. If you have further questions you are welcome to contact me via my tak page.— Rod talk 07:21, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Melecie:Thanks for responding. Is there someplace I could go to learn about this problem, so I can fix it myself next time? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 02:58, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Not appearing on google search[edit]
I created this, but when I search the title on Google, it doesn't appear.
I have seen they appear for other articles
Killing of Amit Chakraborty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Amit_Chakraborty Ivan Tsar (talk) 04:47, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ivan Tsar - Killing of Amit Chakraborty exists within Wikipedia. You created it without going through the Articles for Creation review process. For outside search engines such as Google, there is a delay of up to 90 days (sooner if reviewed and approved by New Pages Patrol). It is possible that NPP, rather than approving, will either deleted it or convert it into a draft if the opinion is that it is not of sufficient quality to be an article. David notMD (talk) 04:51, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Cinema of Tripura[edit]
I believe that I've used similar references with relevance to Tripura Cinema in Draft:Cinema of Tripura which is also existentially visible that similar references are used with relevance to Chakma Cinema in Chakwood. Though my submission got rejected. Any suggestions and help in editing is highly appreciated. Ninjakiller07 (talk) 07:44, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Declined (not Rejected, which is more severe). See Comment left be Reviewer. "Other stuff exists" is not valid as reason why your draft should be accepted - equally likely is that those examples should be deleted. David notMD (talk) 13:12, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Question in Tamil[edit]
பால்பாண்டி 2409:4072:641D:B648:0:0:194C:80A0 (talk) 08:25, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi ip user and welcome to the teahouse! this is for asking questions about the english wikipedia. if you have questions about dairy, see Dairy. if you have questions about editing the tamil wikipedia, perhaps you can find a better answer somewhere at the Tamil wikipedia. happy reading! melecie talk - 08:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Google translation removed. Don't ever add Google translated replies unless you do understand the language well enough to see that the reply is not gobbledygook, or means something very different from what you wanted to say! --bonadea contributions talk 09:18, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- This is doubly so for Indian Subcontinental languages, as automated translation generally returns word salad or otherwise incomprehensible results. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 21:55, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Google translation removed. Don't ever add Google translated replies unless you do understand the language well enough to see that the reply is not gobbledygook, or means something very different from what you wanted to say! --bonadea contributions talk 09:18, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Somebody's phone number. remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivan Tsar (talk • contribs) 09:35, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm, maybe so. Fixed, just in case. --bonadea contributions talk 09:38, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Переклад статті[edit]
Чи можна вам запропонувати переклад статтів з російської мови на українську. Бачу, що багато інформації є на російській - хочу розширити кількість на українській. Дякую за будь-яку відповідь! 93.75.61.226 (talk) 08:53, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, IP user. You ask about translating Russian Wikipedia articles into Ukrainian. You will have to ask that at the Ukrainian Wikipedia version, uk.wikipedia.org. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 09:12, 9 April 2022 (UTC) =
- (edit conflict) Hello 93.75.61.226 and welcome to the Teahouse. We can only advise you for the english Wikipedia (where new articles must be in english) but you can try asking at [[:uk:Вікіпедія:Кнайпа (допомога)|The ukrainian Wikipedia. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Borderline notability?[edit]
I was considering writing an article about the artist Corbin Shaw. I made a blank draft page in my userspace, and then tried to make a big list of sources for the article. I found quite a few, but after looking at the list, I feel like many of them aren't very high quality and/or independent (a lot of them are interviews and/or from small independent magazines where I don't know how to judge their editorial standards). I feel like this is probably a case of WP:TOOSOON, but I wondered if anyone with more experience could take a quick glance at my list of possible sources and give me any feedback on this. Thanks! Ascendingrisingharmonising (talk) 10:32, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Ascendingrisingharmonising. Maybe try asking about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts or Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment and see what they say. The term "borderline notability" is probably not a good way to describe something (at least it a Wikipedia sense) and how it's defined probably depends on whether you view the glass as being half empty or half full. If you feel it's WP:TOOSOON, then it's probably too soon; however, asking the members of those two WikiProjects about the sources might help you gain a better understanding at to what types of sources are typically OK for articles about artists. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:58, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Many thanks, I will ask in the projects. Ascendingrisingharmonising (talk) 14:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Editing a semi Protected article[edit]
Hi here! I am Rebecca Jeannette a co-founder Wikimedia Rwanda community I would love to know more about rules and regulations about contributing or participating in the article's Narrative according to the local sense ! thank you! RebeccaRwanda (talk) 10:41, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- @RebeccaRwanda Welcome! I think probably the best, and reasonably easy, activity for you and your fellow Rwandan Wikipedians would be to translate articles from the English and French Wikipedias to the Kinyarwanda Wikipedia. See WP:Translate for some guidance. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:22, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Artikel im englischen Wikipedia veröffentlichen[edit]
Hey there,
how can I publish articles in the english Wikipedia from Germany?
Regards, AfroStory
Hallo miteinander,
ich bin ein deutscher User und möchte englische Wikipediaartikel schreiben. Meine letzten beiden Artikel wurden gelöscht mit der Anmerkung "Falsche Sprache", was für mich heißt die Artikel wurden im deutschen Wikipedia veröffentlicht, obwohl ich Input Sprache Englisch eingestellt hatte?
Was muss ich tun damit ich in der englischen Wikipedia veröffentlichen kann?
Viele Grüße,
AfroStory AfroStory (talk) 11:28, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- @AfroStory: Hallo, und Wilkommen in der Englischsprachigen Wikipedia. Wenn du neue Artikel auf englisch verfasst, achte darauf, das du dich in der Englischsprachigen Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org) befindest. Die Sprache des System-Interfaces von Wikipedia kann abweichen, so ist es beispielsweise möglich, die Englischsprachige Wikipedia mit deutschsprachigem Interface aufzurufen (alternativ zum Hier verwendeten URL-Parameter kann man die Sprache des System-Interfaces auch in den Einstellungen setzen). Tipps zum Artikelschreiben gibt es hier. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:57, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Review Draft[edit]
Hi, Could you please assist and review the draft for Draft:Om Kumar Harsh, modified on 9th April 2022. Akicracky82 (talk) 11:30, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hey, Akicracky82! Click the blue Resubmit button at the bottom of the latest decline notice to request another review. Note that drafts are reviewed in no specific order and this could take some time. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 12:51, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
How to centre a tick in a table cell?[edit]
Apolgies everyone - I made an edit before I'd worked out how to do it properly.
I added a tick to Andrey Akimov's name in List of people and organizations sanctioned during the Russo-Ukrainian War but I can't work out how to position the tick in the middle of the cell - you'll see what I mean, as my mistake stands out like a sore thumb! Grateful for any help. Oiona (talk) 13:22, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
How to publish a biography[edit]
Courtesy link: Draft:Kolawole Olagboyega
One of my students has written a biography about me. However, he does not know how to publish it. Can you please help. Professor (Chief) Kolawole Waziri Olagboyega (talk) 14:45, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- There is a blue 'submit' rectangle above the draft, which will send it to a reviewer. However, there is a serious problem: Apparently, the draft was started in September by an editor User:Tamiduke later indefinitely blocked as a sockpuppet. David notMD (talk) 17:09, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Professor Olagboyega I have submitted it for review. Excellenc1 (talk) 18:05, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Professor (Chief) Kolawole Waziri Olagboyega, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, we are glad to have you, I’m afraid I have not so good news, I have declined the submission, secondly your student Tamiduke isn’t such a good editor they have behaved poorly by engaging in unethical practices which has seen them indefinitely blocked from this website, if I may did this student of yours receive any reward from you? I’m afraid they possibly knew you weren’t notable by our standards and has tricked you. Thirdly it largely appears your aim is to publish your biography? If this is so, we have a third problem which is you are strongly discouraged from attempting to create an article on yourself please read WP:AUTO, we have a fourth problem which is if creating an article on yourself is your sole mission here you might be blocked from accessing this website too just as your student who was blocked. Please let me know if you have a further questions, I note your name to be concomitant with the Yoruba people of Nigeria and coincidentally Omo Eko Ni Mi I am a Nigerian living in Lagos, I hope that lightens your mood asides that I’m sorry we may not be of help to you moving forward. You may however list your name at WP:RA and an editor here would assist you in creating the article, unfortunately that wouldn’t be me. If you have more questions please do ask them. Celestina007 (talk) 20:52, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Submitted, and declined. As the subject of the article, you are asked to request changes on the Talk page of the draft rather than editing directly. While Celestina007 suggested WP:RA as an option, the reality is, that is a dead letter option, i.e., many requests and rare that any editor acts. David notMD (talk) 21:29, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- You began by stating that one of your students created the article. The creating editor - Tamiduke - was active Feb 2021 to Dec 2021, then blocked, so possible your student contracted with an undeclared paid editor to create the article. The creating editor was blocked for being the false account of a person who began editing in January 2020 and subsequently created dozens of false accounts. David notMD (talk) 21:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Submitted, and declined. As the subject of the article, you are asked to request changes on the Talk page of the draft rather than editing directly. While Celestina007 suggested WP:RA as an option, the reality is, that is a dead letter option, i.e., many requests and rare that any editor acts. David notMD (talk) 21:29, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Professor (Chief) Kolawole Waziri Olagboyega, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, we are glad to have you, I’m afraid I have not so good news, I have declined the submission, secondly your student Tamiduke isn’t such a good editor they have behaved poorly by engaging in unethical practices which has seen them indefinitely blocked from this website, if I may did this student of yours receive any reward from you? I’m afraid they possibly knew you weren’t notable by our standards and has tricked you. Thirdly it largely appears your aim is to publish your biography? If this is so, we have a third problem which is you are strongly discouraged from attempting to create an article on yourself please read WP:AUTO, we have a fourth problem which is if creating an article on yourself is your sole mission here you might be blocked from accessing this website too just as your student who was blocked. Please let me know if you have a further questions, I note your name to be concomitant with the Yoruba people of Nigeria and coincidentally Omo Eko Ni Mi I am a Nigerian living in Lagos, I hope that lightens your mood asides that I’m sorry we may not be of help to you moving forward. You may however list your name at WP:RA and an editor here would assist you in creating the article, unfortunately that wouldn’t be me. If you have more questions please do ask them. Celestina007 (talk) 20:52, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Renaming 'List of districts in India'[edit]
Should it be renamed to Districts of India like Departments of France, Provinces of Italy or Municipalities of Portugal? Is it named a list because it doesn't talk much in detail (like about history)? Also, how can it be improved to bring it back to its FL status? I did see its FL removal discussion, based on which some issues were: not having sq. mi., not having history... anything else?
(Random doubt: Why isn't WP:NOA updated? It was last edited on 15th January.)
Excellenc1 (talk) 17:58, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Excellenc1: To answer your first question that is a good question and probably best to be asked on the talk page of that article. It may be worth opening up a Requested move discussion. For your second question, you can make the improvements that were the reason for it being de-listed and ensure that it does meet the standards now for the featured list criteria and then submit it for review, once again on it's talk page. The last questions answer is that the list on WP:MOA is automatically updated through another gadget and does not require user input. If you read at the top of the list you will see it was updated on the 15th of March. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 18:14, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Why doesn't my preferences save?[edit]
Hi! So, I saw an option in my preferences that allowed me to hide my edits from my watch list. However, it doesn't seem to work. I can still tell I set the option; it's just the edits still show. Is there a way to fix this? (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 18:51, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- TeddyBearRocker123, hello and welcome to the Teahouse we are glad to have you, your preferences don’t save you say? Have you tried editing from another device or a different browser? Hey If you are seeing your own edits that is because you added your page to your watchlist, this isn’t so hard to undo what you want to do is click on the Star like figure on your Userpage and this should remove your user page and talk page from your watchlist. Please let me know what happens after you have done this. Celestina007 (talk) 20:31, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- I removed my user page from my watch list, then I made an edit to my user page, then my user page got added back to my watch list, and the edit still shows up. I have tried using my other device, but it still showed up. (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 20:46, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, sorry for me accidentally editing your response. I have no clue how that happened.(|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 20:54, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- @TeddyBearRocker123: Are you trying to stop from having pages you edit being added to your watch list or stopping your edits from appearing on your watch list? If you are looking to stop automatically adding pages to your watchlist then that is under Watchlist preferences -> Watched pages. If you just trying to hide your own edits from the watchlist I find setting it in the filter, on your watchlist page, the better option. Add the "changes by others" filter in the filter bar on that page. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 21:09, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm looking to hide my edits from my watch list. I do not see a filter on my watch list. (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 22:00, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- On desktop it will be near the top right under mark all changes as seen. You should first see "Active filters" then you should see a box below that for filter changes when you click "Filter changes" it should give you a long drop box of options. On mobile it very similar except instead of Filter change the box to click on will simply say Filters. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 22:14, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm looking to hide my edits from my watch list. I do not see a filter on my watch list. (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 22:00, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- @TeddyBearRocker123: Are you trying to stop from having pages you edit being added to your watch list or stopping your edits from appearing on your watch list? If you are looking to stop automatically adding pages to your watchlist then that is under Watchlist preferences -> Watched pages. If you just trying to hide your own edits from the watchlist I find setting it in the filter, on your watchlist page, the better option. Add the "changes by others" filter in the filter bar on that page. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 21:09, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, sorry for me accidentally editing your response. I have no clue how that happened.(|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 20:54, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- I removed my user page from my watch list, then I made an edit to my user page, then my user page got added back to my watch list, and the edit still shows up. I have tried using my other device, but it still showed up. (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 20:46, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- @TeddyBearRocker123: Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you enable real-time changes on your watchlist when filters are changed (Preferences → Watchlist →
Reload the watchlist automatically whenever a filter is changed (JavaScript required), or using the Javascript interface (Preferences → Watchlist →
Use non-Javascript interface)? If you didn't, after choosing the filters you want, did you click the Show button next to the
Namespace
dropdown menu? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:12, 9 April 2022 (UTC)- I don't have those options, but I do know that since I'm on mobile, some of these things don't work. The filters, when I'm on a computer, hide my edits, but when I'm on mobile, they don't. Is there a way to fix this, or no? (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 22:26, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
MOS:SPACEUNDERHEADING[edit]
I tried to get a link of "MOS:SPACEUNDERHEADING" to work, but I forgot how to make that work, please help, see here: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility#Headings, you will see it is currently "red linked" and I want to turn that baby blue. Thanks. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 18:56, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Th78blue:
Done. I created a redirect. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:10, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, Th78blue, welcome to the Teahouse. Firstly, well done on the good idea! Just taking a step back for a second though, there is consensus for inclusion of some additional guidance to MOS:ACCESS, but has there been any discussion on the wording as suggested by the RfC closer? This is important because the text needs to reflect the consensus. It also apparent that the added text, while well written, could perhaps be written a tad more succinctly. I like the shortcut, it's catchy. I would have suggested 'MOS:HEADSPACE' although i can see that might get confusing XD. Kind regards, Zindor (talk) 22:20, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Zindor, I worded as best that I could, but if you think that any part in particular needs to be changed, or abbreviated to be shorter, please let me know how and we can probably try and make that happen. Thanks! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 22:25, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'll take a look now, although i don't work fast so you'll have to bear with me Zindor (talk) 22:38, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Th78blue, i'm drafting a shorter version in my sandbox. I haven't read the RfC discussion yet, and will do that next, so if i've misunderstood some nuances in the wording that's why. Zindor (talk) 22:55, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, i've read the RfC. In future Th78blue, remember to pay close attention to the words of the closer. S Marshall thought it important that the wording be discussed before it was added to the MOS. This might have felt like unnecessary bureaucracy, some would argue so, but in my view it was a sensible and uncontroversial next step. Th78blue, i still think you should post on the talk page of MOS:ACCESS and ask if anyone has wording suggestions, then proceed from there. As you can see from my sandbox, i think it may be possible to half the amount of words. I don't think you need to revert yourself, the addition was hasty not controversial. All the best, Zindor (talk) 23:45, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- He did, Zindor. See my talk page.—S Marshall T/C 23:48, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Apologies, Th78blue, i didn't read the tp section closely enough. Although in honesty the post is confusing and TL;DR, i think you may have gotten more response if you'd simply asked for wording advice, linked the RfC and posted an example of what you proposed. Many RfC contributors probably have the talk page watchlisted, but consider pinging some contributors (including one's who opposed) for input. Zindor (talk) 00:08, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- He did, Zindor. See my talk page.—S Marshall T/C 23:48, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Zindor, I worded as best that I could, but if you think that any part in particular needs to be changed, or abbreviated to be shorter, please let me know how and we can probably try and make that happen. Thanks! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 22:25, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Convert citation to Vancouver style[edit]
Is there a quick way to convert an automatically generated journal citation to Vancouver citation style?
I have noticed other editors having to come behind me to correct an automatically generated citation (which does not follow the Vancouver system) over to Vancouver citation style because Vancouver is the style used in the article. Here is a recent example, from the article Addiction → diff.
I have the following gadgets enabled: Citation expander, refToolbar, and wikEd. I have tried ProveIt in the past but it was confusing for me wee brain. But if it can solve conundrums like this one, I will take the time to learn it!
Many thanks - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) [he/him] 20:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Why on earth do we have these lists?[edit]
I just came across this: List_of_United_Kingdom_locations:_Bou-Boz. What on earth is the point? Any of these locations can be found very simply by typing its name in the Search box, and its grid reference and coordinates will be it its info-box. There is no other value in the list whatsoever. I really can't conceive of any reason why someone would be browsing an alphabetical list of UK place-names. Why do we have what amounts to an old-fashioned index when we have a modern search facility? (I only came across it because someone was gnoming and changed it from having no short description, to having a short description of "none", a change that seems about as useful as the list). Elemimele (talk) 20:53, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Elemimele List of United Kingdom locations has an average of 109 views per day so it appears that some find the list to be of interest. Karenthewriter (talk) 21:19, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Side note: short descriptions set to
none
are intentional and accepted, marking that the page doesn't need a short description due to a sufficiently descriptive title. See WP:SDNONE. Bsoyka (talk) 21:40, 9 April 2022 (UTC) - Elemimele, I too can't imagine any reason for having the list. However, I am very unimaginative. The people behind it seem to be TheoClarke (who has more or less disappeared) and Pigsonthewing (who hasn't); perhaps one of them would care to comment. Or perhaps it's "We too don't know why we're constructing this, but perhaps people will find their own uses for it." (If so, Karenthewriter's figure of 109 views per day suggests that they have.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:28, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- My only involvement, IIRC, was in splitting overlong lists into smaller pages. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- P.S. and making them machine-readable. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:21, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Views per day may merely indicate that people (or spiders or other entities) are doing web searches for some of the many places listed. Maproom (talk) 22:48, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- My only involvement, IIRC, was in splitting overlong lists into smaller pages. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Bias?[edit]
Hi! I've used wikipedia for years and have found it to be a good source of independent information. Recently, I have been seeing more and more bias creep in to the articles. Has anyone else noticed this? Are there any solutions anyone has to this? I would hate to see Wikipedia lose its reputation as a bias free cite. Thanks. Ranmiz68 (talk) 22:17, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Ranmiz68: Welcome to the Teahouse! In most cases when you see something that violates our neutrality policy, you can do one of two things:
- Happy reading! Bsoyka (talk) 22:23, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Removing a category[edit]
At Category:Hardboiled crime novels there's a page listed under "N" for Nobody Move (novel). Clicking on it takes you to the article for the book's author, Den Johnson, not the page for the novel, because that page doesn't exit. I don't know how to remove the novel from the category because I only know how to remove categories from the appropriate article. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 00:14, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, Pete Best Beatles, welcome. It's occurring because the redirect is populating the category just like an article would. You are able to edit the categories in the same way you would for a normal article. Zindor (talk) 00:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi Pete Best Beatles and wecome back to the teahouse! the category is at the redirect Nobody Move (novel), as in the page that redirects you to Denis Johnson. if you wanna get there, when you click on Nobody Move (novel), you get redirected to Johnson with a link back to Nobody Move that allows you to stay at that page, where you can edit that page. you can also click this link: Nobody Move (novel). happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 00:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- before I forget, please also note that nobody move can keep its categories despite being a redirect due to those categories being incompatible with its redirect article (is Den Johnson himself a hardboiled crime novel?). for a page on how to categorize redirects, please see this page. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 00:38, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- That's a good point, Melecie. I do note however the redirect page has no history of being anything other than a redirect, so is the category useful or simply confounding (considering principle of least confoundment) for those trying to locate articles on 'hardboiled crime novels'? Kind regards, Zindor (talk) 01:03, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- before I forget, please also note that nobody move can keep its categories despite being a redirect due to those categories being incompatible with its redirect article (is Den Johnson himself a hardboiled crime novel?). for a page on how to categorize redirects, please see this page. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 00:38, 10 April 2022 (UTC)