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Correcting Subject Names

How do I fix an incorrectly spelled subject name? The wikipedia article "Era of Good Feelings" should be named "Era of Good Feeling". How do I drop the "S"?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Era_of_Good_Feelings Lord Milner (talk) 12:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC) Lord Milner (talk) 12:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Lord Milner. Technically, the page would need to be WP:MOVEd to the new title, but in this case it might be best to be WP:CAUTIOUS and propose the title change at Talk:Era of Good Feelings to see what other might think. There reason why I'm suggesting this is that a quick Google search shows the period being referred to in both ways by various publications and websites. Encyclopedia Britannica even states as much here; so, instead of moving the page, adding something about the different ways of referring to the period to the MOS:LEAD of the article might be all that's really needed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:16, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

You don't drop it, Lord Milner. Instead, you go to Talk:Era of Good Feelings and there write out your proposal for a title change. Note that the talk page shows that others have already proposed the same change. However, their proposals seem to have less reasoning and evidence, more indignation. Try to be persuasive. Get agreement. If you succeed, then retitling ("moving") the article will be easy. -- Hoary (talk) 13:22, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Obviously, I'm from the United States, and there is no discussion about this. We are all taught the same. The word "Feeling" in this sense, is plural. The connotation of "Feelings" suggests something different, something amateurish. "The Era of Good Feeling" is both academically and linguistically correct. So, two changes need to be made: one to add the word "The", and a second to delete the letter "s".— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Milner (talk • contribs) 19:54, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Lord Milner: On the omission of the in the article title, see WP:THE. Deor (talk) 21:16, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm from the United States, too, and I see no problem with the title "Era of Good Feelings". --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:08, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

How long have you lived here, and where did you get your education? We have many contributors here, and many of them are foreign, and they do not know about this part of American History. I did a search on 'Internet Archive', and I came up with 70 different texts that support me. Link: https://archive.org/search.php?query=The%20Era%20of%20Good%20Feeling Lord Milner (talk) 20:13, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a collaboration. Please consider using Third Opinion, Request for Comment to build a consensus. If you like American history, just think of Wikipedia as an upstart colonial government attempting democracy through discussion and consensus. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:32, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

All my life. Which is probably longer than yours. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:06, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lord Milner, we are not "all taught the same" in the US. I have never heard of this, and I have always lived here, and I went to US public schools. Does "there is no discussion" mean that "everyone (in the US) knows this"? Not true... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Here's a few sources using the "s" form: https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Era_of_Good_Feelings/yCByAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&dq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&printsec=frontcover , https://www.google.com/books/edition/James_Monroe/sVbDDgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&printsec=frontcover and https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Era_of_Good_Feelings_and_the_Age_of/657fAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&dq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&printsec=frontcover --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I find it ironic that we cannot agree on this. American History was taught to us in the 4th Grade. Lord Milner (talk) 06:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lord Milner, yes, American History was taught all throughout my school years here. I just never heard of that era, using those words. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:00, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

How the article is eligible in Mainspace which is already rejected AfC many times

The article B4blaze, which was in AfC and has a huge AfC rejection log also the author was blocked due to paid edit. Later Somebody moved the draft to mainspace see the history. Which guideline the article satisfies and how the article is eligible in mainspace. Still the article is not approved by AfC. How it is possible. Earlier I have warned the same draft author for promotion Onmyway22 talk 16:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Could potentially be WP:Draftify, though AfD may be a better option. Annki777, care to explain why you felt the article was ready for mainspace?Slywriter (talk) 16:44, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

B4blaze had six Declines and a Rejection before Annki7777 cut refs from 21 to 5, cut half of #bytes and moved it to mainspace. David notMD (talk) 17:11, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Slywriter: He displays in his user page that he is an AfC reviewer but I didn't see his username on AfC participant’s list, Also there is no notification of AfC approval on authors talk page. also the interest shows a sockupuppetry or a paid edit. The author was blocked by @Jimfbleak: for undisclosed paid edit months ago. Later other novice accounts and IPs came to the draft after the author's block. Finally, Annki777 came and moved it to the article space. The user @GSS: declined the draft first and commented that the references are seems to be paid press release, see reviewers comments. I also warned and reverted paid approaches to this draft earlier. In my research I found there is no newspaper in this name and nothing found other than an entertainment website company Onmyway22 talk 20:53, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Onmyway22, any autoconfirmed editor can skip AfC and move a page from Draft to mainspace. No special privilege required. It's bad form but not prohibited and the editor takes responsibility for the page. Community is then free to follow other processes including AfD to remove the page. I'd like to hear their reasoning, though this may need to be escalated as the Teahouse is not the proper venue to evaluate the circumstances and behavior. Slywriter (talk) 21:45, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

PS I see BB has moved page back to draft.Slywriter (talk) 21:46, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

In the process, restoring the previous Declines and Rejection. David notMD (talk) 02:09, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

check the similar article ThePrint with almost same source, if you think this article is okay then why not B4blaze ? this is a legit website with verified Facebook page [1] pls take decision accordingly Annki777 (talk) 19:06, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Slywriter @Onmyway22 check the similar article ThePrint with almost same source, if you think this article is okay then why not B4blaze ? this is a legit website with verified Facebook page [6] pls take decision accordingly. and @Onmyway22 how u are so sure that all the references are paid press releases ?? though it might be a news media website it has verified Facebook and if the other similar sites with almost same references okey then why not this ? @Onmyway22 Annki777 (talk) 19:13, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Annki777, that article doesn't look great but regardless WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is never an acceptable rationale on Wikipedia. In addition, do you have a WP:COI or WP:PAID relationship with B4Blaze? Very random draft to just find and move to mainspace.Slywriter (talk) 19:19, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Slywriter i Don't have any kind of a WP:COI or WP:PAID relationship with B4Blaze, its just that i know about this website, and if you see they have won 2 media awards as well and they have verified Facebook page, also B4Blaze have sufficient references that proves that it is a well known website, pls not ignore my article based on past rejection log if you compare it with past references it is different then before, i don't know who have write the article in past. also if you see my editing record i have written my articles on people from the history like John Ovington and i don't have WP:COI or WP:PAID relationship with any of them Annki777 (talk) 17:44, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Slywriter: I also agreeing with you. Because the user Annki777 says My article in the above comment and the way he talks, which rise my doubt about WP:Sockpuppet, See the B4blaze author's earlier response on his talk page to the paid edit warning. Also, the draft author mentioned earlier about social media verification of the article like Annki777 did above, SEE the B4blaze author's comment on help desk. Moreover, the awards, there is no official documentation of the awards listed in the article. I wonder if a user came across a draft that has a rejection history, and moved it to the article space instead of submitting AfC without managing a COI. Onmyway22 talk 08:46, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

There was a report at WP:AIV about Annki777. I have protected the draft against further moving, protected B4blaze and B4blaze (newspaper) against (re-)creation and recommend taking the matter to WP:ANI in case of further competence concerns. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 10:07, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Wow @Onmyway22 you have wonderful logic, I must say, so if I say my USA that means USA belongs to me ??? is it ? you don't like my face ?? or you have any special love for B4blaze ??? also the Facebook page verification is real pls go and take a look. or wait a minute you think Facebook is a fool to verify anyone ?? Annki777 (talk) 16:27, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Annki777 I am surprised that you are still trying demonstrate notability of a non notable topic. Also I suggest you to keep your words polite. Thank you. Happy editing Onmyway22 talk 16:40, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, "my USA" would generally mean that the USA belongs to you. I can't really think of any time you would use that phrase, though. There is the phrase "my America", which is more nuanced in meaning, but not something you would use in an encyclopedic context. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Source list

Where can I find a list of reliable sources? I am working on an article but have no sources to back up the information. Oixyplanet (talk) 02:03, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

You can use the {{Find sources}} template on the page you want to find sources for. It will display links to search engine result pages. For example, for links to find sources for 'foo', {{Find sources|foo}} will produce:

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · NYT · WP Library

Also, not everything on the internet is reliable (anyone can publish a blog), and there's a list of sources that often get asked about. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 02:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

How to find a list of reliable sources for a given subject would depend on what the subject was. (And bear in mind that for many subjects of great interest to particular Wikipedia editors, no reliable sources exist. No reliable sources means no article; cf this.) So what's the subject? -- Hoary (talk) 02:42, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/647851

Puzzle-Platformer from 2014. It also has another version from 2017.

Oixyplanet (talk) 04:44, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Oixyplanet, I'm sceptical you can meet WP:GNG on this one, but it's not really my area of interest. These [2][3] may be RS-ish in context, but maybe not. You could try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. But there are other wikis:[4]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Oixyplanet, you said "I am working on an article but have no sources to back up the information". Experienced editors will tell you that in order to create an articke in WP, you should start by finding sources, and then the article should summarize what the sources say. If you don't do things in that order, then you may end up with unreferenced info in the article, and that info might get deleted. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 04:50, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Follow-up to Flickr

Thanks. I guess where I get confused is that if you look at a page like Coca-Cola for instance, you will see lots of instances of Coke imagery that is shared. How is that possible? I want to be able to use and share copywritten logos like that, but obviously I want to follow the rules/protocol and not infringe on any copyright laws... Thank you. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 19:09, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue: Well, in that instance, because the Coca-Cola logo was published before January 1, 1927, and consists only of simple geometric shapes or text (not meeting the threshold of originality), it is not a copywritten logo. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:19, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue, @Kaleeb18, not to be picky, but isn't the appropriate word "copyrighted" instead of "copywritten"? It seems that many, many people use the first word, but I think that "copyrighted" is the word people need. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:58, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

You are correct. My mistake. Copyrighted is in fact the correct word. I appreciate any correction that improves my use of the English language. Thanks again! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 15:25, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue, thanks. You are not the only one... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:44, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue: If you click on the image it will show you the license. In each of the ones I checked, the sharing is possible because the image is licenced to allow sharing. If you want to upload photos you will need to find one that has a license that allows sharing. RudolfRed (talk) 19:20, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

That was just one example, but I feel like I see these all the time. Also, is there any guidance on where to find such images, or on how to take a common image (like the back of a Cheerios box) and make it so? ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 19:24, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue: Most of the time a companies logo can be used for the same reason as above. If your asking how to upload the cheerios logo, you can do so by uploading it using the upload wizard on Wikimedia Commons ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:29, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I had tried that, but in the case of Cheerios—which was founded in the 1940s—it was reverted several times when I tried to add it (this wasn't recent, but is on my list of things I want to figure out/learn). ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 19:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Th78blue. Restrictions on uploading and using non-free materials are severe; but logos can usually be used in an article about the company or brand whose logo they are but not usually for any other purpose. See WP:Logos. ColinFine (talk) 20:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

That is all that I wanted to ever use logos for, and was still reverted. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 15:24, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

My first article, is the topic notable enough?

Draft:Package redirection scam. I know a lot about this scam, because I run an eBay store and have encountered it before. It's a huge scam, but gets very little media attention, and little information is available. That's why I wanted to write an article about it on Wikipedia. Obviously it's not done yet, but is the topic notable enough? Zorya's Leshak (talk) 06:17, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I think you're heading in the right direction. Be careful with the references; ideally one or two more like the Guardian one would be great, while the pdf from a consulting business in squarespace isn't ideal. But you seem to be doing a decent job of avoiding the temptation, when writing about a subject that you know, and care about, of writing your own knowledge rather than use source. Caveat: I'm not an AfC reviewer, just a general wikipedian! Elemimele (talk) 09:08, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Zorya's Leshak. You posted It's a huge scam, but gets very little media attention, and little information is available. That's why I wanted to write an article about it on Wikipedia. sounds like your intentions are the best, but it also sounds like you're trying to right some great wrong. It's not really Wikipedia's role to expose scams such as these and give it attention that it might otherwise not be getting from reliable sources. It's also not Wikipedia's role to be a guide to help individuals avoid falling prey to such a scam. The only things an article about a subject like this should reflect are what secondary reliable sources are saying about it, and there has to be enough significant coverage about the the scam in such sources to justify a Wikipedia article be written. Please keep these things in mind as you continue to work on the draft, and be cognizant that often in cases like this an article may have to wait until reliable sources catch up and start covering the subject matter significantly. Wikipedia's role isn't to lead the charge against scams like this, but rather to bring up the rear after much of the dust has settled and only then summarize what reliable sources have said on the matter. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:42, 3 April 2022 (UTC

I have found a lot more sources about this scam, as well as a source showing someone was arrested for doing $45k in fraud with this scam method. I do think there is enough secondary sources, now that I do more research about it. it's still not done but it's close . Zorya's Leshak (talk) 17:38, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Zorya's Leshak Have you checked out: List of confidence tricks for related scams? Nick Moyes (talk) 13:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't think that list really would apply, because this is a form of e commerce fraud which aren't covered there.Zorya's Leshak (talk) 17:43, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Mind if I chip in here and ask, have you tried to see if it has any alternative names? (Try the advance fee scam article to see an example of a scam with a lot of different names) To find alternative names for this scam, you could try looking at all the various websites which list scams (like https://scamwatch.gov.au), check the descriptions of each, and see what they call the scam that matches your description of a package redirection scam (if it is there). I had heard of this scam before, so I'm hopeful that sources do exist. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:57, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

How long can I expand this list?

Excellenc1 (talk) 13:50, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1 Interesting question! List articles are really intended to list existing Wikipedia articles, with perhaps just a few red-linked ones that are genuinely felt to be notable, but which don't exist yet. Red links would need a citation to them, I feel. Or, at the very least (per WP:NGEO), should be easily and genuinely identifiable features on major maps. If you were to follow WP:NGEO to a logical conclusion, you could list almost every single bay that existed, but that would seriously undermine the value and purpose of your list, and probably be a terrible waste of your time. Does that help? See Category:Lists of bays for all the other similar list articles, and maybe check out their view history. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:27, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes I was following List of bays of the Philippines which has a very long list, with many red-linked ones. Also in List of bays of South Africa, a shorter list, there are more red-links than blue links. I am getting the list of bays majorly from fr:Catégorie:Baie en France. Excellenc1 (talk) 05:28, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Or else I can remove names of bays which are neither in French Wikipedia nor in English, and add those which are only in French with an interlanguage link. That way, the list remains short. Excellenc1 (talk) 06:29, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1 I like the idea of limiting entries to those where you can add a {{ill}} template. One could argue that, if it isn’t on fr-wiki, it’s probably not worth adding it here. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

New Article

Hello! Thanks for your help in advance. I want to do a new article on Dr. (Donald) Bruce Means. I read an article in this months National Geographic and was surprised he didn't already have one. He is the central figure in National Geographic's cover story this month (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/untouched-by-time-this-pristine-world-soars-high-above-the-amazon-feature). He doesn't have a Wiki page but has an outdated Wikispecies page. I've been in contact with him to make sure he supports a Wikipedia article, and he does. He has a Disney special coming out on April 22 and I wanted to get a page started before then, but after reading about article creation the past week, it seems that won't be possible. Once I have the article drafted, then there seems to be a couple week delay, mainly because of backlog, which is understandable. He has discovered many new species: (Σ = 14 species, 7 genera, 2 families, etc…as of 1-15-2021). He literally has about five new species named after him: Lampropeltis meansi Krysko, Nuñez, Newman, & Bowen 2017. He has a number of books as well. Anyways, as much as I would love to finish it myself, I don't want to hold up the project because of my lack of Wiki-expertise. I have looked up how to ask for an article to be submitted but I seem to be going in circles. What's the best place to ask for a new article? A link would be great. I'll be more than happy to contribute to the article once the page is up. I have done a decent amount of research I can pass on as well as some helpful docs from Dr. Means. Billie J Jackson (talk) 14:35, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Billie J Jackson Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The place to request an article is Requested Articles, however it is severely backlogged almost to the point of uselessness. It would be relatively quicker to submit a draft at WP:AFC. As you have been in contact with him, please review conflict of interest; Articles are typically written without any involvement from, or even the knowledge of, the subject. 331dot (talk) 14:48, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Billie. There is a place where you can ask for an article - requested articles - but in all honesty, the likelihood of a request being picked up is small. The most likely way to get an article about a subject is to create it yourself - but that is a very challenging task for inexperienced Wikipedia editors. You could find a suitable WikiProject, and post on its talk page asking for somebody who would be interested in working on the article; but really the only way to get somebody else to work on an article is to enthuse them on the subject.

A couple of bits of background. First, notice that the subject's approval is almost completely irrelevant: if a subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then there can be an article on them whether they want it or not. Conversely, if they do not meet these criteria, there cannot be an article on them however much they might want it.

If you create a draft and submit it for review, there is absolutely no way of telling how long it will be before it is reviewed: it might be within an hour: it might be several weeks. Wikipedia has no deadlines, and external dates and events are of no concern for the process of getting articles written and reviewed.

You talk of "holding up the project": unless you get the interest of an existing editor to create this, there is no project for you to hold up. I would not advise you to try writing an article as your first sortie into Wikipedia editing; but what you might do is to explore notability and start looking for the independent reliable sources with significant coverage of him that will be required to establish notability whoever writes the article. If you can find enough to ground an article, then that might make the project more attractive to another editor; or alternatively, once you have spent time learning how Wikipedia works by improving existing articles, you might return to this project. Have a look at Help:Your first article. ColinFine (talk) 14:50, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Billie J Jackson Although I’m pretty busy right now, I’d be extremely happy to help you create the article, as it falls into my area of interest. I see you have created a Draft page. I will monitor that and improve the content you add to fit our style and policies. The key thing is only to add content based upon what is written in publish sources, not from what you happen to know. Even if you don’t yet know how to add an inline citation (via the obvious “Cite” button in the editing tool), just add each statement followed by the relevant url, and I can format them for you later. Feel free to post on my talk page if you need help, or want to attract my attention. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Right now I'm updating Means' Wikispecies. Almost done with those entries, so I'll be working on his wiki page later this week. Billie J Jackson (talk) 15:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Assumptions and Subjectivity?

Greetings... newbie here. I have two style questions about a sentence. It is located at Eugen Țurcanu. Here's the sentence...my questions are about the wording in the parentheses:

Initially sentenced to seven years' imprisonment for his membership in the Iron Guard (to which he had in fact belonged, though he seems to have had a less important role than claimed),[further explanation needed Țurcanu became the leader of a group of detainees whose role was to mistreat and torture other inmates, in order to "re-educate" them in the spirit of Marxism–Leninism and obtain information that could be used by the Communist organs of repression.

1) "...to which he had in fact belonged"...can we assume that he was in the Iron Guard, since that's what he was imprisoned for?

2) "...he seems to have had a less important role than claimed"..."seems"? Is that subjective or guessing?

This is only the tip of the iceberg (the rest of the sentence needs fixed and the whole article needs help) I know; I'm wondering if this long parenthetical phrase is necessary. Sorry I'm asking such a nit-noid question, but I'm still becoming familiar with style.

Appreciate any feedback or advice! Thanks and have a great day! Gingerbreadgal (talk) 14:53, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Gingerbreadgal Welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for your question. I read the 'live' article, and feel all the text in round brackets is irrelevant to the lead. Equally, providing the matters flagged up by the tags are addressed lower down in the article, I feel they are also irrelevant, and can be removed. The lead section is a summary of the article, so we don't need to know who sentenced him to death, nor do we need to have it flagged up as a missing piece of information. Providing there is a source that verifies he 'was' sentenced to death, then that should suffice. If we know from the cited source which court or judge sentenced him, that can go in as additional information, but it isn't missing information we need to tag in that way, I feel. Text 1 in brackets is irrelevant because the clear inference is that he was imprisoned because of his membership of the Iron Guard. Text 2 seems like Original Research or guesswork. Is it addressed lower down? if not, remove it with an appropriate edit summary. Does that help? Nick Moyes (talk) 15:36, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

This is exactly what I was asking about...thank you so much! Ok...I'll get to work on it. Gingerbreadgal (talk) 21:27, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Article about production company; COI

Hello! An article I wrote about our production company (I disclosed COI) got flagged for having too many sources, and sources that weren't establishing notability due to being too close to the company.

I removed any sources that seemed too close to the company (like guest articles on reputable outlets) and keep it strictly to third party endorsed sources; I also removed unnecessary detail and kept to to third party notability-relevant data. Could someone give me feedback if it the article looks fit to re-submit for approval?

Draft:Prodigium Pictures

Thanks so much for the help! Gentle (talk) 21:26, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Gentle, I find the prose curiously opaque. As an example: Prodigium has been partnering with nonprofit organizations and other infrastructure partners to facilitate social impact. I can perhaps guess what each of "be partnering with", "infrastructure partner" and "facilitate" means, but I'm not sure at all; and such a succession of unexpressive terms has me dozing off, I'm sorry to say. -- Hoary (talk) 22:39, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

It looks like pure marketing-speak to me. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 22:57, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both very much for the guidance. I removed the sentence and slimmed down the following descriptions of the partnerships built around Gaming Wall Street. Gentle (talk) 04:10, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

A question about image use

Hi! I wanted to ask if it was okay for me to upload a file to Wikipedia. The photo was taken from a website was Scratch, so when you upload something there, anyone can use it, as long as they attribute it to you. I took a screenshot of a project on there (it was an avatar maker) and I wanted to add it to my user page. Should I upload this to Wikipedia Commons, Wikipedia, or not at all? Will I get in trouble if I don't give credit? (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 22:56, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, teddyBearRocker. Assuming you are talking about the site https://scratch.mit.edu, its terms of use say that both user-generated content and scratch content are licensed under CC-BY-SA 2.0. This is a license which is acceptable to Wikimedia Commons (see C:Commons:Licensing, so yes, you can upload a file from there to Commons and use it in a Wikipedia article. Make sure you specify the source and the license when you upload it. ColinFine (talk) 23:04, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 00:22, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Wait, now it's asking me if the file is my own work. Is it? (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 00:22, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@TeddyBearRocker123—Assuming you did not make the Scratch project, the file is not your own work. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 00:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I did not make the project. What should I put under "Authors"? (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 00:40, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@TeddyBearRocker123—You should generally put the username, and a real name if possible, of the person who made the project under the "authors" section. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 12:13, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft: Iowa News & Views

I need someone look over my draft. The last editor has not revisited the page after I made changes and left a note on his page. I believe I made changes to make it notable enough to meet the standards but I am looking for further guidance. WUH34 (talk) 00:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

No, Bearcat's comments of 10 March seem just as valid now as they did then, WUH34. And entire paragraphs lack any references; so for all the readers know, they could be mere fiction. How is it that you know so much about "Iowa News & Views"? Which sources did you use? Why don't you cite those sources? -- Hoary (talk) 05:56, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

The problem is that the sources are the people who were the creators of the show so there is no way to cite them but I do not think it will matter because if the articles I found that mention "Iowa News & Views" are not enough to make it notable then it does not really matter anymore. Also, for those paragraphs there are visual aids from when the show was on to verify all the places it aired and for some of the other sections those answers would be found on the YouTube channel with the actual show. Thank you for taking the time to take a look though I really appreciate it. WUH34 (talk) 13:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for not including this in my first response I have thought about it more and have some questions. Can you explain to me why the articles I added from around the state of Iowa that all mention the show "Iowa News & Views" and often the guests of the show would not make it notable? There are Wikipedia pages for State Senators and State Representatives where the articles that mention them only have quotes from them on a particular issue. It is rare that a State Senator or Rep would get a whole article devoted to them as a person. That means the whole article is not devoted to the State Rep or Senator but that would be accepted as notability because otherwise how could their page exist? What is the difference here? The whole article is not always about Iowa News & Views but they all include blurbs about it which would indicate that it was important enough for local newspapers in the most populous cities across the state of Iowa to include it in parts of their paper from different dates and years which to me seems like it passes the threshold for being deemed independently significant. Here is the definition I am going off, "it is possible to verify that it has been independently assessed as significant by sources other than its own creators."

Thanks again for looking it over. WUH34 (talk) 16:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@WUH34, is "WUH34" the name of a tv channel? If so, an editor might ask you to change your username so that it's clear the name belongs to an individual, not an organization. If it's not a tv channel name, then no worries. Thanks. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 07:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't believe it is a tv channel. But if it is let me know and I can change it. Thanks for replying to my post. WUH34 (talk) 13:48, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@WUH34 No problem, thanks. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Just for the record, the AFC process does not require me to personally come back and revisit the draft again just because I commented on it once — and that goes double when I just commented on it, and didn't formally review it for approval or rejection because it had never even been submitted to the approval queue in the first place. (I only ever came across it because you had tried to file it in completed article categories, which drafts aren't allowed to be, and not because it had ever actually been placed in the review queue.) So the reason I didn't revisit the page is because I had no obligation to revisit the page — that's just not how the draft process works. And the reason nobody else had looked over it either is because you still didn't place it in the review queue in order to attract anybody's attention to it: AFC reviewers are not going to just magically find drafts that aren't placed in Category:Pending AfC submissions by virtue of having a submission template on them: if it isn't in the queue, then nobody's going to see it at all.

But that said, you really haven't made enough changes at all. Four of the nine footnotes are still the exact same primary sources that I highlighted in my initial comment as not what it takes, four of the other five are essentially just "on TV tonight" blurbs that still aren't substantive support for notability, and there's still much, much more content in the article that still isn't referenced at all.

As I said the first time, we are not looking for mere verification that the show existed — we are looking for analytical content which establishes its significance. You have only added one source (#7, "Public Access Show Spurs Review by TCI") that actually represents a valid start by being genuine bylined journalism about the show — but we need a lot more than just one of those to deem a TV show as notable enough to get a Wikipedia article. Bearcat (talk) 11:06, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I am very sorry that I did not understand the queue process so thank you for looking again. My intention was not to be rude so I am sorry if you took it that way. So notability requirements essentially mean that it has to have articles where it is exclusively mentioned in said article for longer than the articles I found.

Thanks again for your help. WUH34 (talk) 13:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I have another question so sorry for not putting this in the first response but I just thought of it. If it is not notable enough to stand on its own could it be folded into Joe Bolkcom's Wikipedia page as a sub heading? I am new to all of this so guidance on anything would be appreciated.

Thanks again for your help and time. WUH34 (talk) 13:55, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Follow-up to Draft:Timothy Heffner

Which license tag should I use for a photo taken and given to me by a friend, that I uploaded for the article? Pghmedicine (talk) 00:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Pghmedicine The best thing to do is for your friend to upload it and tag it as their own work. It's harder to upload it if you did not take the image yourself. In any event, images are not relevant to the draft submission process, which only considers the text and sources. 331dot (talk) 01:03, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I already uploaded it to Wiki Commons. I would like to properly tag it and do not want it to be rejected upon my draft submission. Pghmedicine (talk) 17:08, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Categories named after writers

How does a writer get a category named after them? I was looking at articles about hardboiled/noir/pulp writers, and I noticed that Dashiell Hammett is here (Wikipedia categories named after American writers), but James M. Cain, Raymond Chandler, Chester Himes, Walter Mosely, James Ellroy, David Goodis, Cornell Woolrich and Jim Thompson are not. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 02:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Pete Best Beatles! There's a bunch of information at Wikipedia:Categorization. Some writers have enough pages related to them that we've created an eponymous category, e.g. Category:Dashiell Hammett, but many others do not. I'm not enough of a category person to know precisely how we draw the line between who gets one and who doesn't, though. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

• The rule is that a writer gets an eponymous category if they have a lot of spinoff content with its own separate articles that doesn't fit into the standard "works by writer" scheme that already exists, and not if they don't. For instance, Dashiell Hammett has three films in which he was portrayed as a character, which thus get a Category:Dashiell Hammett category because they would never have been categorizable as Category:Works by Dashiell Hammett — and William Shakespeare could almost be his own encyclopedia for all the spinoff content he has, so he gets Category:William Shakespeare to contain it all.
  But again, it's not "every writer who has an article automatically gets an eponymous category as a matter of course" — it's "does the writer have a lot of additional spinoff content besides his biographical article and 'Works by That Writer' category?" Bearcat (talk) 11:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Article to draft

If an article happens to be deleted, can it be resubmitted as a draft? Oixyplanet (talk) 05:26, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Oixyplanet, it depends on why it was deleted. For most cases in which an article was deleted due to lack of notability, the problem was that there wasn't enough coverage available on the topic, so a new draft will just get denied the same. If the coverage has changed, you can request it be restored as a draft at WP:UNDELETE. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:38, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Source question

Hiii! I've got some questions and I'd like someone to help me 'cause I'm new in Wikipedia and I don't know a lot about sources, so, please, be patient with me.

1. I'm wondering if Spotify, Deezer or Youtube Music count as reliable sources ONLY for discography. I know that in some cases they might also work for the bio of an artist but this is not the case now.
2. I've asked again before but I think I got misunderstood or I didn't understand. I want to use a bio of an artist that she has written on Youtube. I think I got misunderstood because she has written on the information page on her channel and not on a video. I'll give you the link so you can also check it and tell me. The link is https: Alissic

Thank you so much for your time and help! Fisforfenia (talk) 06:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Your second question, Fisforfenia: We need independent, disinterested sources. Perhaps aside from a handful of saints and the like, a person is not disinterested about herself; and she can't be independent of herself. -- Hoary (talk) 06:37, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Removing "This article has issues" after editing

As recommended by SuggestBot, I've edited Nepali Sign Language based on the issues listed in the box at the top (what is the actual name for these particular type of templates?). I think I've done it well enough that the page no longer has those issues - is it prudent for me to remove the box myself, or better to mention what I've done on the talk page (or on WikiProject Linguistics) and let a more experienced Wikipedian decide if my edits are enough and remove it themself? -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 06:28, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Notcharizard, you're totally allowed to remove the warning banners yourself—feel free to be bold and do so! We can take a look, too, if you'd like to have a second pair of eyes, but it's not a requirement. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:40, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Notcharizard: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you feel that you have addressed the maintenance tags, you may remove them yourself. If someone disagrees they will most likely re-add them, at which point you can have a discussion on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both, I'll remove it and put a note in the talk page just in case. -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 06:44, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

How do I add a section of right-to-left script text in an English article?

I would like to add a block of Hebrew text to an English wikipedia article (well, it's Phoenician, but it uses the Hebrew alphabet). However, I can't get it to display correctly, as it interprets it as left-to-right. Specifically I would like to add a transcription of the text on the Kilamuwa Stela; while the translation is obviously useful, it's also useful to have the transcription without having to go to the Hebrew version to find it. Thank you! Quadriporticus (talk) 06:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Quadriporticus, does {{lang|phn|THE TEXT}} work? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Sdkb unfortunately, no :( It's still left-aligned and it also gets rid of line breaks? If it helps, this is the text (which I would obviously reference the transcription of; and yes there are supposed to be all those full stops in it. There's supposed to be an empty line in the middle that isn't displaying here, after בסות):

אנך. כלמו. בר. חי[א‏]

מלך. גבר. על. יאדי. ובל. פ[על]

כן בנה . ובל. פעל. וכן. אב. חיא. ובל. פעל. וכן. אח

שאל. ובל. פעל. ואנ[ך]. כלמו. בר. תמל. מאש. פעלת

בל. פעל. הלפניהם. כן. בת אבי. במתכת. מלכם. אד

רם. וכל. שלח. יד לל[ח]ם. וכת. ביד. מלכם כם אש. אכלת

זקן. ו[כם.] אש. אכלת. יד. ואדר עלי חלך. ד[נ]נים. ושכר

אנך. עלי. מלך אשר. ועלמת. יתן. בש. וגבר. בסות.

אנך. כלמו. בר חיא. ישבת. על. כסא. אבי. לפן. הם

לכם. הלפנים. יתלנן. משכבם. כם. כלבם. ואנך. למי. כת. אב. ולמי. כת. אם

ולמי. כת. אח. ומי. בל חז. פן. ש. שתי. בעל. עדר. ומי. בל חז. פן. אלף. שתי. בעל

בקר. ובעל. כסף. ובעל. חרץ. ומי. בל. חז. כתן. למנערי. ובימי. כסי. ב

ץ. ואנך. תמכת. משכבם. ליד. והמת. שת. נבש. כם. נבש יתם. באם. ומי. בבנ

י אש. ישב. תחתן. ויזק. בספר ז. משכבם. אל יכבד. לבעררם. ובערר

ם. אל יכבד. למשכבם ומי. ישחת. הספר ז. ישחת. ראש. בעל. צמד. אש. לגבר

ועשחת. ראש. בעל חמן. אש. לבמה. ורכבאל. בעל בת. Quadriporticus (talk) 06:57, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Quadriporticus: Is this what you're up to?

אנך. כלמו. בר. חי[א‏]
מלך. גבר. על. יאדי. ובל. פ[על]
כן בנה . ובל. פעל. וכן. אב. חיא. ובל. פעל. וכן. אח
שאל. ובל. פעל. ואנ[ך]. כלמו. בר. תמל. מאש. פעלת
בל. פעל. הלפניהם. כן. בת אבי. במתכת. מלכם. אד
רם. וכל. שלח. יד לל[ח]ם. וכת. ביד. מלכם כם אש. אכלת
זקן. ו[כם.] אש. אכלת. יד. ואדר עלי חלך. ד[נ]נים. ושכר
אנך. עלי. מלך אשר. ועלמת. יתן. בש. וגבר. בסות.

אנך. כלמו. בר חיא. ישבת. על. כסא. אבי. לפן. הם
לכם. הלפנים. יתלנן. משכבם. כם. כלבם. ואנך. למי. כת. אב. ולמי. כת. אם
ולמי. כת. אח. ומי. בל חז. פן. ש. שתי. בעל. עדר. ומי. בל חז. פן. אלף. שתי. בעל
בקר. ובעל. כסף. ובעל. חרץ. ומי. בל. חז. כתן. למנערי. ובימי. כסי. ב
ץ. ואנך. תמכת. משכבם. ליד. והמת. שת. נבש. כם. נבש יתם. באם. ומי. בבנ
י אש. ישב. תחתן. ויזק. בספר ז. משכבם. אל יכבד. לבעררם. ובערר
ם. אל יכבד. למשכבם ומי. ישחת. הספר ז. ישחת. ראש. בעל. צמד. אש. לגבר
ועשחת. ראש. בעל חמן. אש. לבמה. ורכבאל. בעל בת.

For some odd reason, you have to use <div>-Tags for multiline rtl content, or it will get removed by the software behind Wikipedia. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:48, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

It worked! Thank you so much. Quadriporticus (talk) 08:11, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

How do I know if my Article for Creation (AfC) had been approved?

Hi,

I created and submitted an AfC for publishing. I am able to view the article on various computers, which leads me to believe it has been created.

However, are there any other way(s) for me to check if this article has indeed been officially published?

Further, if the article is not yet searchable on Google, is this a Google indexing problem? How long do these usually take to resolve?

Best,

Lorposralem (talk) 08:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lorposralem: Hi, you should typically get a notification on your talk page and after that a new page reviewer will approve it to appear on google results, it can take a while to get reviewed as there are 10,000 pages and only 750ish reviewers. Kind Regards, Zippybonzo | talk 08:44, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

However, seen as it has been tagged for deletion under CSD A7 - it is seen as non-notable, which means that the topic doesn’t get enough coverage to have an article on Wikipedia. Also given the article is in main space currently I would suggest moving it to draftspace so that you can work on the article and then submit it to AfC (when an article is in main space (without the Draft: prefix) you can’t submit it to AfC. Kind Regards, Zippybonzo | talk 08:50, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Romanization Transliteration of Romanian name

Hi there, I'm trying to romanize transliterate the Romanian name Mița from D'ale carnavalului. Is there a naming convention like for Hebrew? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 09:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

QuickQuokka, you are, I believe, talking about writing something for English-language Wikipedia. English uses the roman alphabet. If a Romanian name is ⟨Mița⟩ (which of course also uses the roman alphabet), then why would any transliteration be needed? (If you were asking about something from Transnistria and written in "Moldovan", thus in Romanian but using the Cyrillic alphabet, I'd understand.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: I changed the word "Romanize" to "Transliterate" because the Romanian alphabet already uses the Latin alphabet. I mean that the T-comma does not exist in English, and am asking what would be a suitable alternative. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 11:53, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Then there are three imaginable solutions, QuickQuokka. (1) Leave it as it is, ⟨Mița⟩, because literate readers of English are quite accustomed to diacritics that they haven't seen before (I think it's only double diacritics, as found in Vietnamese, that are a bit hard to swallow in an English-language context), and in order to help those readers who happen to be familiar with Romanian phonology/orthography (2) Remove the diacritic, for ⟨Mita⟩. (3) Follow some convention whereby Romanian ⟨ț⟩ becomes something other than either ⟨ț⟩ or ⟨t⟩. At a guess, perhaps ⟨ts⟩, if there even is such a "transliterating" convention. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Romania is much likelier than this page to get you readers who are familiar with such matters; why not ask there? -- Hoary (talk) 13:05, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Bazaar Technologies

Hello Teahouse! I created an article about a start up company in Pakistan, it was nominated for deletion, I have asked for deletion review, the intention was to improve the article with better sources and citation. I understand now that the deletion review will only check if the consensus was reached and that the procedure followed. What I may have been looking for is WP:REFUND? Any suggestions in this matter? Elmisnter! (talk) 09:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Elminster Aumar Hello and welcome. I will say that "startup" companies almost never merit articles. Most coverage of such companies is press release style stories, or annoucements of their business activities. These do not establish that such a company meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Companies must be established and settled in to their field in order for independent reliable sources to take note of them on their own and choose to write about them, describing why they are important. REFUND is the correct venue to seek restoration of a draft, but it won't be restored unless you can demonstrate that things have radically changed from the deletion discussion. 331dot (talk) 09:28, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@331dot, in my review I listed 12 sources who covered the company, these were not press releases neither were they opinion pieces, so I am hoping for the best, but I will wait for the review discussion to close before I go for refund. Elmisnter! (talk) 09:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Revdel, essential information a form of copy-write?

Hello, I am asking if my wikipedia page is ready to be resubmitted. The original edit request regarded a copy-pasted list of 20 key ideas that are essential to the page's subject. Is it enough to quote this list of 20 mantras along with the source? It would be preferable to keep these 20 lines (they are mantras that compose the collective's manifesto).

Regardless, in the end, I deleted the section and resubmitted. The article was declined again with the comment (still waiting for Revdel), so I must have done something incorrectly..

Furthermore, the proper legal name of the collective is OBJECT:PARADISE, but the draft has been edited by a reviewer to be Object: paradise. The legal name of the collective is shown in source 1.

Can you please tell me 1) if it is okay to quote from the source page (https://objectparadise.com/Manifesto) or 2) if I must delete this info (which I have), why the page has been declined again? 3) Can someone change the draft name back to OBJECT:PARADISE, as it is the legal name of the collective?

Thank you in advance Tykosay (talk) 11:17, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Tykosay. Quite apart from the question of copyright, you are making the (common but wrong) assumption that the subjects' writings are of relevance to an article about them. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Of course what they have published can be significant, but for Wikipedia's purposes, we look only at what independent commentators have said about their output, not at the output itself. ColinFine (talk) 11:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Tykosay, the collective is most welcome to write its name in ALL CAPS. Many companies, pop groups, etc, do this. Wikipedia ignores this, I'm happy to say. -- Hoary (talk) 11:36, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

"current"

Why do some of my user contributions say "current" and others do not? What causes "current" to drop off? Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:05, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi there Maurice Magnus! If it says current, it means that it is the version that is currently displayed when you view the page. If you edit it, it won't say current anymore. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 12:08, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. At first I thought you meant that my edit is the version that is currently displayed; i.e., my edit hasn't been edited. But I figured out that you mean that the article hasn't been edited anywhere after I edited it. Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:31, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

how many independent references are considered enough?

My article on the famous Lebanese and Syrian singer from the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s, Nourhane, was initially reviewed and deemed lacking inline citations. I added those and resubmitted it. It was then rejected for lacking sufficient independent references. There are links to 5 of her songs which were posted online several years ago by a music expert in the region. There are links to an online anthology of Egyptian cinema which cites 3 of the films she acted in. There is one link to a full film that Nourhane had a starring role in and which is available on youtube. An anthology of Famous Lebanese singers from the 1940s has a chapter on Nourhane - the book and its ISBN is listed in the references to the article. There are about 5 different articles (4 in Arabic and 1 in French whose titles I translated) which speak about Nourhane's legacy which are also listed in the references. There is a link to a documentary about Nourhane, two articles around the release of the film in 2016. Please note that Nourhane quit show business in the mid-1960s never to speak of her past again, until her granddaughter (me - I disclosed my connected contributor status) started filming her. She was of course still remembered by music & film lovers, enthusiasts, and experts everywhere who welcomed the film. Thank you in advance for helping me figure out what is wrong with the references I have listed. MayKassem (talk) 13:05, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Here is a link to the said draft, so hosts won't need to hunt for it: Draft:Nourhane. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:40, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

thank you DoubleGrazing MayKassem (talk) 14:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

MayKassem, it's not just independent references that you need. The sources need to be reliable and independent and published and to have extensive discussion of the subject, and you need to cite them. If you have references that meet all these criteria, four should be ample. Draft:Nourhane currently cites 13 sources – the ones I've checked don't meet all the criteria I've mentioned. It also lists 12 other sources, but doesn't cite them. Maproom (talk) 14:01, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Maproom :) what is the distinction between listing and citing the sources? Would you kindly elaborate? MayKassem (talk) 14:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

ok, I think I got it. I must actually cite sentences from the referenced articles within my biographical text. Is that right? MayKassem (talk) 14:45, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

That is correct. You have more info available about referencing at Help:Introduction, for both the source and the visual editors. Make sure to check them out! --AdrianHObradors (talk) 14:56, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

thank you @AdrianHObradors MayKassem (talk) 15:37, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

ELIGIBILITY FOR ORGANIZATION LISTING

Hello all,

Recently I had made a listing on an organization & it was removed under Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Playtonia esports private limited

How do I go about creating a wiki page for an organization?

The below is the message received.

A tag has been placed on Draft:Playtonia esports private limited, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. BrainardTD (talk) 13:24, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

BrainardTD, Wikipedia is not a business catalog. Sungodtemple (talk) 13:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Has your company you want to write about been featured in mainstream media in detail and in depth? If not, there cannot be a Wikipedia article about it. Personally, I find almost all the esports long-winded pages pure WP:PROMOTION, with very little substantive evidence of independent coverage of them. See WP:NCORP for an explanation of what it would need in the say of sources to meet our notability criteria. And, please see see WP:COI if you are connected with the business in any way, as this explains how you need to declare that connection before editing here. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@BrainardTD there's a good chance Playtonia Esports Private Limited will never be notable enough for a Wikipedia article, but I will suggest a rather long and difficult task for you. Type "esports" into the Wikipedia search box and a large list of articles comes up. At the bottom of the list you should see "Search for pages containing esport." Click on that and you'll see dozens of article titles. Go through the list and click on any titles for organizations / businesses that may be similar to what you want to write about.

Study those articles. Check to see if there are any citation tags at the top, stating the subject may not be notable, or sections needs more citations (references). Then carefully read all the articles. What is in them, and what has been left out? Look at the references that were considered reliable. Can you find such references for what you want to write about? Can you write in the same style, which should be neutral and "business like" and not flowery advertising words.

If you think it's too much work to study a bunch of articles, then it will be too much work to try and write a better encyclopedia article draft. If you're willing to put in hours of work, and search for good references that were written by someone with no connection to Playtonia, and if you study Conflict of Interest, Help:Your first article, Help:Referencing for beginners and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources then its possible, but not guaranteed, that you can get your article accepted. It is hard work to get an article published on Wikipedia, and it should never be attempted in order to promote some business that isn’t notable enough. Karenthewriter (talk) 14:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Is this a notable topic?

I found this article request 'History of the word Wallon' (fr:Histoire du terme Wallon) in Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Article requests. Can I make this? Walloons#Etymology already exists. Excellenc1 (talk) 15:53, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

If you think that there is enough material in the sources to expand the topic beyond the two paragraphs, then go ahead; though it might be a good idea to discuss the idea at Talk:Walloons first. NOte that the section in the English aricle is about the English word, where the French article is about the French word. ColinFine (talk) 16:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

It seems like WP:TOOMUCH to me. The etymology and history of that word does not stand out to me as different than the etymology and history of any other word for a group of people that has evolved over the centuries. I think the section you provided is sufficient. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 16:17, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Why is there a rule in Russian Wikipedia that is literally Russian racism?

There is a rule in Russian wikipedia, which is a Russian racist thing, that implies that Ukraine is not a country, but just a part of Russia - it shows that it is correct to say not "in Ukraine" but "on Ukraine". According to the rules of the Russian language: "on *some territory*" refers only to areas of the country, not to a separate country. GoldNotGod (talk) 16:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

This is English Wikipedia. Russian Wikipedia is completely separate, and neither has any influence on the other. Posting here achieves nothing at all. Sorry. ColinFine (talk) 16:07, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

GoldNotGod, welcome to the Teahouse. While I sympathize with your concerns if they are correct, this is the English Wikipedia. ColinFine is correct and we have no control over what the rules are for Russian Wikipedia. Each language version of Wikipedia is a different community with its own set of rules. I'm so sorry we couldn't help you further. --ARoseWolf 16:12, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

If Russian wikipedia has such a racist rule it means that all the admins there support it. I don't think they will listen to me at all. At worst they will ban me (if they can do that). GoldNotGod (talk) 16:22, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Again, there is nothing we can do here on the English Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:24, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Yeap, I just got banned -_-, a certain Vladimir Solovjev. What kind of site is this where you can write racism, and if you complain you get banned... GoldNotGod (talk) 21:54, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Once again, we have zero control what-so-ever over the Russian Wikipedia. Complaining to us here achieves nothing as we can't force them to adopt certain policy positions. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:27, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

GoldNotGod, if you want to complain about Wikipedia (and complaints can be very salutary), then you'd better decide whether you (A) want to bring about some change, or (B) just want to vent. If it's (A), then double-check the facts and the validity of your assumptions. (For example, I doubt that all ru:Wikipedia's rules are supported by all its admins.) Then try to interest some mass media organization in it (perhaps after publishing a story yourself, e.g. on "Medium"). And/or contact the Wikimedia Foundation. Anyway, as stated above, en:Wikipedia is not the place to discuss it. -- Hoary (talk) 23:40, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

relocating to area

relocating to area. what kind of community is kohler to live in? wondering what the real estate market is like and who i could contact to speak to for help? 2603:6011:6802:70E6:849D:F8DE:F1CF:457C (talk) 16:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia edited by volunteers. We don't offer the kind of information you seek unless it's provided in reliable sources and included in an article on the encyclopedia. I suggest Googling the community you are seeking to move to and looking at reviews. --ARoseWolf 16:45, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Marc di Saverio (article)

FYI

 – Removed collapsed content due to WP:COPYVIO. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:38, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedians: I would be grateful if you could take the below information and turn it into a proper wikipedia article. with gratitude, Leoparid 3000

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Leoparid 3000 (talk • contribs) 18:06, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Leoparid 3000: Welcome to the Teahouse. Please do not copy and paste material from other sites wholesale, as that can be considered a copyright violation. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:38, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

The other point, Leoparid, is that Wikipedia is a volunteer project, and people work on what they choose. The chances of somebody carrying out your wish are very low. ColinFine (talk) 22:50, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Citation rendering glitch

In reference 34 of my draft, there's a rendering glitch because of the RtL and LtR text. Is there any way to fix it? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 18:20, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello again QuickQuokka! The problem seems to be in the Ref, after "{{Cite web |" you have "script-title=he:" which seems to be what is causing the strange presentation in the Reference table. Instead change "script-title=he:" to just "title=" (without quotations) & the reference should then look fine. Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 12:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

subpages limit

Hello, I have made some Pokémon userboxes (only a few for the most popular ones) and I wanted to check if there is a limit for user subpages? I'm defintely not planning on making a ridiculous amount, but just wanted to check I won't get in "trouble" if I make too many. Thanks! -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 18:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Notcharizard Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not aware of any limit (I've got quite a few myself!). The three main things to think about are:

• 1) logical naming and the hierarchy (which you seem to have thought of already);
• 2) that you won't ever receive a ping if someone else edits any subpage of your userpage (so make sure you add them all to your watchlist), and
• 3) ensure you're using them all for the purposes of enhancing the working of Wikipedia (and not stuff unrelated to it).

I think if you follow these tips you won't go far wrong. There are times when we see new users only playing around in their user pages, and never editing Wikipedia itself, but that doesn't appear to apply to you. So, you're 'good to go'! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:28, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Robert Devereux 2nd Earl of Essex

I am quite interested in the 3rd Earl of Southampton & noticed you had included in the information about him (derogatory) quotes from a letter written by a soldier William Reynolds to Sir Robert Cecil regarding the 3rd Earl of Southampton & the 2nd Earl of Essex, however I notice you have not included the quotes in the 2nd Earl of Essex information. Why is this? 81.110.1.225 (talk) 20:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. It is likely that none of the thousands of people you are addressing on this page had anything to do with either of the articles you refer to. It is also quite possible that different editors worked on the two articles The best place to discuss how an article can be improved is on the talk page of the article, in this case Talk:Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex. ColinFine (talk) 22:57, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello ColinFine, regarding Robert Devereux 2nd Earl of Essex, sorry that my reply is so late. Is it possible to add to the 2nd Earl of Essex article, the information included in the article of the 3rd Earl of Southampton regarding quotes from a letter written by a soldier William Reynolds to Sir Robert Cecil about the 3rd Earl of Southampton & the 2nd Earl of Essex. I realize it would also be important to include the information of Duncan-Jones that William Reynolds may have been a paranoid schizophrenic... Thank you for taking time to consider (& perhaps rectifying this). Best regards Jessy L 81.110.1.225 (talk) 23:12, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

I proposed deletion of a draft, and something horrible happened

I thought I was being helpful, but it all went wrong. I used {{subst:draft-prod}} to propose deletion of the draft Draft:Application_of_Isotopologues_in_Mass_Spectrometry according to instructions at Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion_(drafts) and the template has turned itself into a hideous, scary and huge warning in vast red letters that PROD should be used only for articles not for drafts. What did I do wrong? I was genuinely suggesting deleting this draft as an AfC reviewer had suggested the material in it be merged to a different article, and the draft's author had agreed and done so (indicating clearly in their edit summaries that the job was complete) - and therefore this draft is now obsolete. I thought I was unburdening AfC of a draft, but instead I'm creating chaos... Elemimele (talk) 22:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Elemimele: Thanks for trying to help, but Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion_(drafts) is a failed proposal, and the template you are trying to use redirects to the normal PROD template. I have undone your change. The draft creator can request deletion, or it will be deleted if it is not modified for six months. RudolfRed (talk) 22:28, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: thanks for the explanation and for sorting it out! I'll avoid that one in future... I appreciated your help. Elemimele (talk) 08:14, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Looking for someone to create my wiki page

Hello everyone,

I am an actress added in the cast section of tv series here on Wikipedia, however my name is shown in red because I do not have a page. I am looking for someone to create my page because I know that I can not create my own page. How do I go about getting my page created?

Thank you Teacherswhorock (talk) 22:38, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Teacherswhorock and welcome to the Teahouse. If you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (and only then), somebody could write an article about you. If they do, the article will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, will not be for your benefit except incidentally, will not necessarily say what you would like it to say: please see An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.

If after reading that you still think that you would like Wikipedia to have an article about you, I'm afraid there isn't a way to guarantee that an article will be either written or accepted. You are welcome to add yourself to requested articles, but in all honesty most requests do not get taken up. If you want somebody to write an article about you, basically you will have to engage an editor's enthusiasm, since all editors are volunteers who work on what they choose.

Don't, whatever you do, pay anybody to write about you in Wikipedia. Anybody who tells you that they can get an article about you accepted and that it will say what you want is lying to you. The chances of your getting anything for your money are remote.

In short, Wikipedia is not for promotion, and people who try and use it that way generally have a frustrating and disappointing time. Sorry. ColinFine (talk) 23:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine: I think they are talking about a userpage. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 23:11, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much, and thank you for the warm welcome! This information was very helpful. If you know of any editors interested in tv/film please send them my way. Thank you Teacherswhorock (talk) 04:26, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Teacherswhorock: Click on the red link, and write what you want, and then publish. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 23:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka No, creating a userpage was clearly not what Teacherswhorock was asking about, and so your answer to them was quite incorrect, and I hope they do not follow it.

Of course, should they simply want to say a few words on their userpage about their interest in editing Wikipedia (or any conflict of interest they might have), then clicking that username in red is certainly what they should do to create it. If TwR could supply us with detailed links to three or more in-depth stories in MSM about her, then we could assess whether Wikipedia might regard her as notable at this point in time. Sometimes we like to advise that it may be simply WP:TOOSOON in one's career to merit a page here, but that might come later as one get's written about by newspapers and magazines, etc. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much Nick! As requested here are three detailed links:

Marvel Cinematic Universe: https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Shalet_Monique

Courior Post: https://www.courierpostonline.com/story/life/2021/09/01/willingboro-shantel-monique-wire-hbo-own-this-city/5603080001/

WURD Radio: https://wurdradio.com/podcast/daybreak-6-11-20-shalet-monique/

Burlington County Times: https://www.burlingtoncountytimes.com/story/news/education/2020/05/12/willingboro-woman-connecting-kids-with/1212008007/

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm11163108/filmotype/actress Teacherswhorock (talk) 04 ar:45, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I found one more:

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/1501685758841/special-ed-teacher-aspiring-actress-from-willingboro-gives-back-to-community-youth Teacherswhorock (talk) 04:51, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Teacherswhorock. It might seem as if being written about on Wikipedia only has an upside, but there are some disadvantages associated with it as well that often aren't apparent until it's already too late. I strongly suggest that you take a look at Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Law of unintended consequences, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Relationship between the subject, the article, and Wikipedia, Wikipedia:Ownership of content, Wikipedia:Wikipedia is in the real world and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not for reference. If someone were to create an article about you, it wouldn't be your article in the sense that you would have any sort of editorial control over its content. Neither you nor anyone representing you (e.g. an agent) or otherwise closely connected to you (e.g. a family member) would also not be able to control the article's content. It will be there for anyone in the world to edit at anytime and all edits are going to be assessed according to relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines.

For what its worth, there are processes in place to makes sure nothing is added that might be defamatory or otherwise inappropriate and other editors will assist help in such times, but Wikipedia sometimes can move slowly because all users are WP:VOLUNTEERs and such content might not be immediately noticed. Moreover, "negative" content or content about you that you would rather others not know about could possibly be added as long as it's done in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. You won't be able to use the article to promote your career or other activities, and article content will only, for the most part, reflect and summarize what secondary reliable sources are saying about you and what can be verified. If you do something good that's covered by reliable sources, then that will likely end up in the article. At the same time, if you do something bad or are somehow associated with something bad that's covered by reliable sources, then that will probably end up in the article too.

Finally, there have cases in the past where individuals deemed to be Wikipedia notable but not actually very well known reached the conclusion that being written about on Wikipedia was more of a negative than a positive. Some of these people even ended up requesting that the article about them be deleted as a courtesy. Sometimes this was done and sometimes it wasn't, but they couldn't just simply delete stuff themselves just because they didn't like it. So, before you try and pursue this any further, you might want to consider whether it's really a good thing for you. If someday your career really takes off and you start receiving major significant coverage in reliable sources, then someone will almost certainly create a Wikipedia article about you ; so, perhaps its better to focus on making that happen instead of actively focusing on trying to get someone to create an article about you now. If you're looking for something Wikipedia-ish that you'll have much more control over for the time being, try looking at some of these. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:45, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I truly appreciate you. The information was very clear and eyeopening. I am grateful. Thank you. Teacherswhorock (talk) 04:40, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, TwR, but not one of the links you give meets all of the three requirements of being reliably published, independent of you, and containing significant coverage of you. Fandom and iMDB are not regarded as reliable sources, because they are user-generated. The others are better, but most or all their content comes from you, so are not independent. I'm afraid that, judging by those sources, you do not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article about you would be accepted whoever wrote it. This is not a reflection on you, and I'm sure your teaching work is inspiring: it is about whether and how much the world of publishing and journalism has taken note of you: Wikipedia articles depend on secondary sources not primary ones. ColinFine (talk) 10:01, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

IMO the Courior Post, WURD and Burlington County Times shouldn't be dismissed completely. Yes, they're partly interviews, but not fully. They give at least partial WP:GNG points. Used together, an article based on them may survive a deletion discussion, but it's fairly close to WP:TOOSOON. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:33, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. This info is very helphful Teacherswhorock (talk) 04:43, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

create a once deleted article

I want to recreate an article Scholarcss (talk) 22:40, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Please do not ask the same question in multiple places. [5] AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:56, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Then guide properly. dont make it difficulty to write an article Scholarcss (talk) 23:16, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

If you're looking for proper guidance, see the responses at the help desk, where you first asked your question. Bsoyka (talk) 23:58, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

[Edit Conflict] Writing an article that meets the required standards is inherently difficult. We don't aim to make it more so, but we aren't going to lower the standards just because some users either want an article about something that does not qualify for one, or aren't prepared to put in the necessary effort that tens of thousands of other article creators have managed.

We are also not going to go out of our way to someone who has already had one account blocked for refusing to meet our standards and abide by our requirements, and who has created a (this) different account to try, futilely, to evade that block.

You were given extensive advice at that account, with many links to relevent guidance pieces, just as other new users are. Follow the links and read the guidance you find there. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.209.123.235 (talk) 00:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Why was the article “Archduchess Maria Theresa of Austria (1845–1927)” deleted?

Hello.

I’ve been viewing a few royal articles across Wikipedia recently, and have stumbled upon an article that seems to have been deleted when the person has some importance - as shown by descriptions and sites dedicated to her. May I ask why this article was deleted? The page name was “Archduchess Maria Theresa of Austria (1845–1927)”.

Thank you. Dialuanny0 (talk) 23:16, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Dialuanny0: There were a few problems with it. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Archduchess Maria Theresa of Austria (1845–1927) RudolfRed (talk) 23:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

What is a difference between an independent studio and a LLC studio? (Notability question)

Hello there. I am currently working on a draft, which is call Draft:Midnight Society (game studio). It's about a game studio that was founded by Dr Disrespect, Call of Duty veteran Robert Bowling, Halo veteran Quinn DelHoyo, and Sumit Gupta. My third resubmission got declined last month due to the subject not including independent sources and such. I've looked at WP:NCORP and WP:ORGCRIT, and I can definitely tell it's probably too soon to create an article for a game studio that was found 3 and a half months ago. I need to know what's the difference between an independent studio and a LLC studio. And I also need to know if I might need to wait an extra year before resubmitting with improvements. MikeTimesONE (talk) 23:36, 4 April 2022 (UTC) MikeTimesONE (talk) 23:36, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@MikeTimesONE the gist of the difference is: LLC is Limited Liability Company - that means the owners are protected from personal responsibility for company's debts or liabilities. (If someone sues a business, they might be able to get all of the money that had been put into the business, but they can't get any of the owners' money that wasn't put into the business.) Independent Company (such as a studio) is privately owned, and there are no investors who have a say in how the company is run. Those are both legal terms that may be important for financial accounting, or business decisions, but I doubt the terms would have much bearing on whether a game studio is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Best wishes on your article project. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:16, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, MikeTimesONE. There is nothing magic about the time you wait. The entire question depends on reliable independent sources. If there were not adequate sources in the past, an article would not have been accepted. If you believe there are now, add them in, (and make sure that most of the article is cited to them) and then go ahead and submit your draft (taking careful note of the reasons for being declined, and any reviewers' comments). ColinFine (talk) 10:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Squarekilometer

Hello there. I found this redirect to the article "Square metre": [[6]] I can't seem to change the title, or to talk about changing the title. What should I do? Sincerely, SpacedShark (talk) 01:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@SpacedShark See WP:MOVE and WP:Requested moves for processes on moving (renaming) a page. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 02:51, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done. @SpacedShark: Welcome to the Teahouse. I've gone and redirected it to square kilometre. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:49, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Editing Nivek Ogre Page

Added role in TV show EVIL, list somehow wound up on bottom of page instead of Filmography, and it does not recognize there is a Wikipedia page for the EVIL TV Series here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_(TV_series) Don't know how to fix either, beyond my scope of ability right now. Need experienced person to fix. Earthpots (talk) 01:18, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Earthpots. You accidentally deleted part of the table template's syntax with this edit when you tried to add a new entry to the table. Basically, a table is a template that needs both a "beginning" and "end", and you removed the "end" syntax (|}) when you added the new entry; so, the software didn't know where the table was supposed to end. I also fixed the link syntax for Evil (TV series) as well. For future reference, when a table suddenly disappears like this or otherwise looks screwy after you edit it, it's usually due to something being accidentally added or removed. The easiest way to figure out what might have happened is to look at the page's history and work backwards until the table looks OK. The next edit is usually the one which messed up the syntax. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:43, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Why are Lofi Artist not credited in Wikipedia

I was wondering in wikipedia when you search for lofi artist,it's not populating good results to the search.From my research i only found the lofi girl label to be listed.The artist who made the label successful are no where to be seen.I am talking about big artist who have millions/billions of stream on social platforms.Can someone explain the reason behind it.Here are some of the artist i am talking about you can check their success in platform similar to spotify.

(1.Dontcry - https,

2.cxlt. - [7],
3.Jhove - [8],
4.Towerz - [9]) Alfreadgilberto (talk) 04:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Alfreadgilberto! First of all, note that Wikipedia isn't here to credit artists, or anyone else who may deserve credit. This is an encyclopedia; see Wikipedia:About for more. Also, note that simply being successful on a streaming platform does not make a person notable enough for inclusion in this encyclopedia. In particular, there are a set of guidelines for the notability of musicians at WP:MUSICBIO. I hope this helps a little. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 04:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the info. Alfreadgilberto (talk) 04:46, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Article Submission Requirements

Hello, I'm a new editor to Wiki and I was trying to submit an article on a brand I like that doesn't have its own page. I see similar pages in the same category that are up but get told my subject is not notable enough for submission. I have reviewed multiple articles of similar retailers with similar sourcing that are up, but mine gets rejected and I simply don't understand why. Also, in working on my editing I have noticed A LOT of articles with WAY less information, like only 1 line or less of information. For example, the name of a town or a person that existed, and the entry will be almost no information at all. Can someone please assist me? BruleeOle (talk) 07:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

BruleeOle Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read other stuff exists. Other poor articles existing does not mean that more can be added. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible to get inappropriate articles by us. In addition, the submission process is not required of everyone, and has not existed the entire time Wikipedia has existed. We can only address the articles that we know about. If you would like to help us out, you can help identify other inappropriate articles you have seen for possible action. If you want to use other articles as a model, you should use those classified as good articles.

You don't specify but I assume you are speaking about Draft:JamesAllen.com. As the reviewer notes, "I don't see anything that would make this subject inherently notable, and the sources cited are either primary or offering only incidental coverage (being focused on the products, or the parent company, or marketing tactics, etc.). Notability per WP:GNG requires significant coverage in multiple independent secondary sources." There must be sigificant coverage of this company itself, not its products or parent company, and how the company meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. It is not unusual for any company to have common customer service complaints such as shipping issues, either. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 08:11, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

list of open era women's singles tennis by match wins

I was seeing if my request went through it may of failed I would apprecate it if you don't delete the page thanks 2603:6081:1501:BDF8:5119:481F:6638:E445 (talk) 08:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

If you're asking about List of Open Era women's singles tennis players by career match wins, that was deleted days ago. If you're asking about something else, then what is it? -- Hoary (talk) 09:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Regarding RSS Feed

I have a small reader site I want to fetch all the the articles which are mentioned in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WWE_personnel How can I get the RSS feed of that category ? for example this is for single article only https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Triple_H&action=history&feed=rss IntelisMust (talk) 08:56, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

There is no such feed unfortunately —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:34, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Ok thanks but if i want to fetch the single article in rss format what would be the extract url? IntelisMust (talk) 09:38, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Writing a biography

Someone is volunteering to write my biography for publication in Wikipedia for a fee. Is this legitimate? 47.197.21.129 (talk) 11:03, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

It's possible that it is legitimate, but there is no way to know without more information. Many third party groups and people claim to offer Wikipedia editing services, with varying degrees of reputatbility. These are not endorsed by Wikipedia. Keep in mind that no one can make any promises to you(such as writing an article that will not be deleted) and if you do not meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person no article about you can be here no matter who writes it. If you decided to pursue that, do not hand over any money until you see the finished product, and make sure that whomever does it makes the required paid editing declaration. If you are not concerned with having a Wikipedia article about you(and there are good reasons to not want one) then just ignore the message. 331dot (talk) 11:16, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Short answer: Don't waste your money. A little more: There's always a possibility. What's this person's username? We can look at anybody's track record. If this person is coy about revealing their username(s), then why the coyness? Additionally, if you're the kind of person whose "notability" (as defined here) means that you can get an article, then somebody will eventually write it because they want to do so, and without charging you. So why spend your money? -- Hoary (talk) 11:20, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Incomplete articles

I have found numerous incomplte articles on various wikipedias (other than English) e.g. Urdu wikipedia, Punjabi wikipedia and Sindhi wikipedia etc. e.g. on one wikipedia (not English Wikipedia), an articles on London City has been written in two lines only. Does wiki has any policy to remove those articles? Mukhtiaraliunar (talk) 11:31, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

This is the English language Wikipedia. We cannot help you with any other Wikipedia as they are separate projects. But note that Wikipedia:Wikipedia is a work in progress and none of them will ever be complete.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:45, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

The Wikipedia whose article about "London City" -- about London? about the City of London? (they're different) -- consists of only two lines might have a policy to remove such articles. Try asking in that Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 11:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Am about to publish my first article, help me check it out

Hello Editors, I'm about to publish my first article and i need you guys to help me with all the required information needed to make it live. The article is already in draft format draft:Joseph Itodo Odeditt (talk) 12:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Joseph Itodo Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit your draft. However, you should not do so now. Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about someone and their accomplishments. An article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. 331dot (talk) 12:23, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy link is Draft:Joseph Itodo, a 19-year-old blogger with a YouTube channel. Karenthewriter (talk) 13:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Odeditt: Courtesy ping since I think 331dot mistook the name of the draft for the username. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:07, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Also, Odeditt, if you are Itodo (as seems likely from your user name), please read autobiography to understand why writing about yourself on Wikipedia is very strongly discouraged. ColinFine (talk) 13:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

How is it actually supposed to be?

Is it so that an article must actually be written by a person who knows about that topic a lot, or can it be created by anyone, regardless of how much the person knows about the topic (just for the sake of making a link blue)? Excellenc1 (talk) 13:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Excellenc1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about a topic that meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. As long as you can summarize sources, and are aware of the relevant notability guidelines, there is no requirement that you personally be knowledgeable in the topic you are writing about. 331dot (talk) 13:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@331dot What is a general blueprint of an article? Almost all of the articles I've made are translations since I don't know what all to add while making an article independently. Excellenc1 (talk) 14:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I know that such a thing exists but I don't know the link to it off the top of my head. I bet that someone else around here does, though. 331dot (talk) 15:14, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1:, every article is potentially a blueprint. For example, if you want to write an article about a famous historical figure, you can find any good article about a similar historical figure, and structure your article similarly, adopting the same formats for its sections, adding images in the same way, etc.; just change the actual text, images etc. to say what you need to say about your subject, and reference appropriately. Elemimele (talk) 16:21, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Excellenc1, no, an article should not be written by somebody who is ignorant of the subject area. The article Pentagonal tiling is worthwhile and fascinates me; but if it didn't exist, nobody heeded my pleas to create it and I tried instead, then I'm sure there'd be a great risk that my creation would include idiotic mistakes. My ignorant creation might mislead readers and waste the time of other writers. Before creating an article in a given subject area, be sure to gain experience in improving existing articles in that subject area, and getting feedback that suggests that your mistakes, if any, are very few and very unimportant. -- Hoary (talk) 03:08, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

How to i close a file for discussion

ㅤ TheSecondComing10 (talk) 14:30, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@TheSecondComing10—Non-admin closures are only when you have an obvious reason to close it—maybe there were too many speedy keep !votes, maybe it was by a sockpuppet, or maybe the author asked for it to be deleted. In a standard case, I would not advise you to close a file for discussion, as the administrators will take care of that. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 17:40, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

You don’t and you shouldn’t try in the case of Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2022 March 29#File:Will Smith slaps Chris Rock.jpg. For one, you uploaded the file being discussed and also commented in the discussion which makes you directly involved and thus your close will be surely and immediately reversed. Then, you were blocked for edit warring/disruptive editing over the file which means your judgement in the matter is questionable. Finally, this is a very complicated discussion involving multiple issues and lots of users that isn’t going to be easily sorted out by even an administrator who is very experienced in dealing with files; so, no non-administrator should try to close it because the close is likely going to be contentious regardless of who closes it and how they do so. The discussion is still ongoing and it will eventually be closed by an administrator when that person believes there’s no more to gain from further discussion. — Marchjuly (talk) 20:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Huh? What? Marchjuly is correct. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:55, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Not seeing a consensus to delete, or really to keep. A bit conflated. I guess WP:G10 is out of the question. This may go down as the slap heard round the world. With echo effects. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:00, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

"All we are saying, is Give Peace a Chance" -- Yes --Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Help with WP:OR and chained logic.

I have a question about sources and if chained logic classifies as Original Research. Discussion has arisen on the article History of chemical warfare, as a user added a case of killing of soldiers by poisoning of food. There is also a problem with the sources and how recent the event is, so I don't think it belongs on the article for now, and it is not why I am here. Instead I wanted to ask this:

RS say that poison was used to kill soldiers. RS also say that poison is a chemical weapon, and RS mention previous cases of poisoning of supplies as chemical warfare. But, important, RS don't mention that that specific use of poison as chemical warfare. Is making the logic connection valid, or does it become WP:OR?

I found WP:OBV and Wikipedia:When to cite#When a source or citation may not be needed, but it didn't completely answer my questions. I would appreciate the input of a more experienced editor, and if there is already a WP page that covers this subject specifically it would be great. Thank you in advance AdrianHObradors (talk) 15:33, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

If I've understood correctly, I think you're talking about WP:SYNTH - X201 (talk) 15:42, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @X201, thanks for the link! It does look similar and I thought that would be it at first, but it isn't quite the same. WP:SYNTH says "Don't combine A and B to imply C, which isn't implied by neither A or B". But my example is, a source says "A is B", and another source says "B is C". Can you then say "A is C"? Or would we need a specific source declaring it? Thank you! AdrianHObradors (talk) 16:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

No, you can't combine two sources to make a point that neither one makes individually. That is exactly what WP:SYNTH is referring to. MrOllie (talk) 16:07, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @MrOllie, perhaps I didn't explain myself properly. "that neither one makes individually" That is the thing, one of the sources makes that point. That is why I believe WP:SYNTH doesn't apply here. SYNTH says "If you have A and B, and neither says C, you can't put C".

But here we have A which implies B, and B which implies C. C is already implied by one of the sources. There is no leap in logic anywhere, as opposed with WP:SYNTH. I think that it would be alright to put on an article as long as it is kind of like this:

"Event A happened which means B.^{source A->B} B has been found to imply C by scientific journals. ^{source B->C}"

Any opinions? Thanks! AdrianHObradors (talk) 16:51, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

No, I understood you. That is exactly what synthesis is. If you want to write 'A is C' you need a source that says exactly that. - MrOllie (talk) 16:55, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Just want to second what MrOllie is saying--don't get too caught up in the algebraic formulation of WP:SYNTH, the general idea is that even when individual sources might be valid sources for certain premises, you can't then take those premises and include a conclusion unless the source also makes that jump. Alyo (chat·edits) 16:58, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Alright, thanks @Alyo! --AdrianHObradors (talk) 18:10, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Help with disruptive edits/vandalism

So the page Max Park has had people editing the page to say blatantly incorrect information (claiming he has a speedcubing WR when he does not hold the WR they are editing to say he does) twice now, I have reverted the edits but is there anything else I can do? some way to report the user/users? AFrickingNerd (talk) 15:46, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

AFrickingNerd Hello and welcome. Without having looked at the issue you bring up, individual vandals may be reported to WP:AIV. If this is a habitual problem and/or involves many editors, you may request page protection at WP:RFPP. 331dot (talk) 16:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Deleting an outdated Notice

In the article on Zena Werb (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zena_Werb) there is a Living Person notice, but she is not a living person. I haven't found a way to remove it. Athel cb (talk) 16:27, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

You can change the "yes" fields to "no" in this:

{{WikiProject banner shell|blp=yes|1=

{{WikiProject Biography|class=C|s&a-priority=Low|s&a-work-group=yes|living=yes|listas=Werb, Zena}} Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 16:48, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Did you already do this, because I can't find these lines (or anything containing WikiProject)? Also, the Notice itself has disappeared. Athel cb (talk) 17:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I thought you meant on the Talk Page. Someone else removed the "Living People" category from the article, but the Talk Page banner is still there. You would need to make the edit on the Talk Page, not the article. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 17:31, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I have edited the talk page to remove the BLP notice. Cullen328 (talk) 17:49, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

OK. Thank you both. Probably this problem will arise again in the future, so it's good to know what to do when it does. Athel cb (talk) 18:33, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Could a block be upgraded to a ban?

If some users were indeffed, and then turned to off-wiki harassment, could their blocks turn into bans? Pavlov2 (talk) 16:56, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Pavlov2—Check WP:BAN for info on the banning policy, and for off-wiki harassment bans. As for off-wiki harassment bans, though, I did see one example of off-wiki harassment that led to an ArbCom ban. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 17:17, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Pavlov2: Yes, though absent a "shortcut" of sorts it'd require a (generally very cursory) ban discussion at one of the administrative noticeboards. (Not linking these "shortcuts".) Actual harassment of users off-wiki is one very bright line which leads to an indefinite block at a minimum if it can be proven. (PLEASE DO NOT POST EVIDENCE OF OFF-WIKI HARASSMENT ON-WIKI - instead contact the Arbitration Committee or the WMF's Trust & Safety team via email.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:43, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

HBCU 20x20

What am I doing wrong? HBCU 20x20 is a reputable organization and should have a wikipedia page. How do I fix my draft? Valleyrustnet (talk) 17:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

You have a conflict of interests regarding HBCU 20x20, so it's not recommended for you to create nor edit the article/draft. SadAttorney613 (talk) 17:15, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Valleyrustnet And anyway, no organization, however reputable, has a Wikipedia page. Notable organizations will have articles about them in Wikipedia. They will be written independently, ideally by people with no link to the organizations, based on reliable sources independent of the organizations. And they might or might not be to the organizations' liking. Uporządnicki (talk) 18:37, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you all for the input. Valleyrustnet (talk) 19:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Uploading audios

Hello. I wish to a upload an audio of a bird vocalisations. I tried to use the Upload Wizard but it doesn't let me. The audio has a creative commons license. Is there a special way to upload audios? Many thanks. SadAttorney613 (talk) 17:12, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay I see, .mp3 is not accepted only certain formats. SadAttorney613 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:22, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Opinions are needed for discussion

Opinions are needed for discussion, see: Talk:Free license#Rename the page to Open license -- Avoinlähde (talk) 17:41, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Avoinlähde, a discussion like that will naturally draw participants in time; just be patient. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

You may be right, it is hoped that a consensus will be reached. -- Avoinlähde (talk) 18:11, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Inserting links and references

The article pertaining to the city of Cranbrook, British Columbia, I made a minor update regarding the latest population stats, including referencing the sources I used. For reference, the change is displayed in the 2nd paragraph from the top. I was wondering if it possible for someone to check and see if I have inserted the citations correctly.

Cranbrook, British Columbia

Thank you.

Lawrence Neill (talk) 18:08, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lawrence Neill,Welcome to Wikipedia! Help:References might help you, especially the screencast in it. Regards. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 18:07, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Is this website OK to reference?

I tried to reference https://tarboot.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/carnavalului/ to show that Moran Rosenblatt played Mița in a play of D'ale carnavalului. It gave me a warning that blog sites such as these are to be used with caution. Is this OK in this instance? --QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 18:19, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, QuickQuokka. WP:BLOGS says Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications Is this the case? If it isn't, then no, you cannot cite a blog. ColinFine (talk) 18:59, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

What should I do with my old account?

I made an account (CptOblivious) a while ago because I wanted to fix some errors on a particular page. This year, I joined a WikiEdu course and decided to create a new account because I didn't like the goofiness of my old account's name. Today I found out about "sockpuppetry" and I want to avoid any issue with having multiple accounts, so what should I do about my old account? Is there some way to delete it or something? Syrniki (talk) 18:24, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Syrniki: If you don't use the CptOblivious account any further, you're fine. You've disclosed the prior account and the reason for changing accounts. WP:Sockpuppetry is targeted at abuse of multiple accounts. As a general statement, there's nothing to keep an editor in good standing from switching accounts—and you are in good standing, as the other account made a single edit that's apparently constructive. It would be a different matter for a user to be in trouble (say, for vandalism) and create a new account to try to dodge scrutiny. Again, that's not the case in your situation.

(Aside: I'm an educator, and I tell students that they want professional-appearing email addresses for when they apply for jobs. So I don't fault you for changing names. The difference is, I encourage students to use their real name, or a portion thereof, in that professional email address. There are good reasons not to use real names on WP.)

Thank you for self-disclosing. Happy editing, and enjoy the WikiEdu course! —C.Fred (talk) 18:40, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Numbers? Revision history?

What do the +green, -red, or 0gray numbers mean (+75) (-125) (0) etc mean in a draft's revision history? Chainsawpunk (talk) 18:59, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

HI, Chainsawpunk and welcome to the Teahouse. They simply indicate the number of bytes of text that have been added or removed in that edit. Nothing else. ColinFine (talk) 19:01, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Editing of an article by a "missing" editor

Hello, I have only recently noticed that my addition to Direction finding was removed on 31st August last year, apparently by User:Sunlight123. I have put a query about this on his Wikipage, but have got no response. However, when I looked more closely, this page has not been active since 2015. What's going on? Please help. D1ofBerks (talk) 19:40, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I looked at the Page of the mentioned user, and this is "going on": While they made edits until August last year, nobody bothered to post on their talkpage since 2015. I hope, this helps to solve this mystery for you. Greetings, --Maresa63 ^Talk 19:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, D1ofBerks. Although this editor registered in 2008, they edit infrequently and sporadically. They have 83 edits in total, and none at all from 2016 to 2020. Cullen328 (talk) 20:33, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the responses. However I still need help! As far as I can see, my addition to Direction finding, on Microwave DF, was deleted on 31 Aug 2021. I would line to discuss his reasonings with the editor, but I don't see how to proceed. Thanks D1ofBerks (talk) 15:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by D1ofBerks (talk • contribs)

What would be the suitable area to ask editors what the usual process is for something.

I'm interested in helping edit or at least watching the development of the article Tornadoes of 2022. I want to ask a question of when editors usually add a tornado or consider it confirmed during current events. Where would be the proper place to ask this question? 19:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC) Wikiwillz (talk) 19:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Talk page of this article? Ruslik_Zero 20:22, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Is it suitable to ask general questions about a subject on the talk page of a sub-topic of the question. Excuse me if I’m being too circumspect. Wikiwillz (talk) 20:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Wikiwillz, and welcome to the Teahouse. WP:TALK#USE says Stay on topic: Talk pages are for discussing the article, not for general conversation about the article's subject (much less other subjects). Keep discussions focused on how to improve the article. If you want to discuss the subject of an article, you can do so at Wikipedia:Reference desk instead. Comments that are plainly irrelevant are subject to archiving or removal.

Does this answer your question. ColinFine (talk) 20:43, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikiwillz, this sounds like a good use of a WikiProject. Perhaps WikiProject Weather may be able to answer your question? Aerin17 (t • c) 14:55, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Why not the talk page? The main question here is when it is appropriate to add a tornado to the article (Tornadoes of 2022). So, this question is directly related to the content of the article, which is being written now. Although the question has a more general value. Ruslik_Zero 19:42, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Tablet Magazine

Is Tablet Magazine a RS? Can it be used? I did not find it on this page, but if something is not on that page, then is it de facto unable to be used? Or are only source in the RED on this page NOT able to be used at all? Curious if this list is considered an exhaustive guide essentially of all sources the world has to offer. Thanks! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 20:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Th78blue. That's a good question. Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources is a list of sources whose reliability and use on Wikipedia are frequently discussed, so if a particular source hasn't been discussed much before then it's unlikely to have made it on to the list. Given how many potential sources there are out there, you can't really draw any conclusions from a particular source not being on that list. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:11, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

So would I be correct then in inferring that when in doubt, WP:BRD applies when not on the list? ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 20:13, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Th78blue, Perennial sources is not an exhaustive and comprehensive list. The reliability of any source must be evaluated in the context of the assertion that it is intended to support. In my opinion, Tablet (magazine) is a generally reliable source for most purposes. Cullen328 (talk) 20:27, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 20:49, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Question

Why did you decline my source creating? (I'm actually American and not Russian btw.) RussianFanboy2010 (talk) 21:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@RussianFanboy2010: If this is about Draft: List of Austrian states by area it was declined as redundant with an existing article. Better to edit the existing page than to make a new one. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I want to create a article on a prominent charter school in the state of Florida but i don't know if it's important enough on Wikipedia.

I am interested in created a page on Wikipedia on Gulf Coast Charter Schools. It's a group of school ranging from grades 3-5 and 6-8. I'm not sure if it's important enough for the Wikipedia standards though. Could you please let me know please? Jaminpatrickpond (talk) 22:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jaminpatrickpond: Based on a Google search this is a nonstarter. (It really does not help that name is so generic as to produce a lot of non-responsive hits.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:38, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Underaged editor

Hello, my niece (Redacted) is thinking about editing WP. So I want to know what’s the WP policy for an underaged editor. Orson12345 (talk) 22:47, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Basically don't reveal personally identifying information or age. Hence the redaction above. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Orson12345 (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no minimum age to edit Wikipedia. I would suggest that her (and you) read guidance for younger editors. You should read advice for parents(guardians). 331dot (talk) 22:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh ok I’ll take a look at that. Thank you so much! Orson12345 (talk)

How to find all subpages on a user

I have created many subpages on my user account and I am wondering is there is a way to view all of the subpages? Thanks!

Ekh0-1talk 00:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ekh0-1: I found this Special:PrefixIndex/User:Ekh0-1/ but it is only showing two pages. Maybe someone else knows a better tool. RudolfRed (talk) 00:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ekh0-1 If you created all the subpages, you can look through Special:Log/Ekh0-1 Rlink2 (talk) 00:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much!

Ekh0-1talk 00:58, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ekh0-1: On your contributions page, there's a box at the bottom containing a link named "Subpages". I usually find clicking on that to be the fastest way of seeing a list of the subpages of a user page. Deor (talk) 10:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Help with an Article about a Person

Hi, I am writing to ask about an article that I started Draft:Apurba Kumar Bardalai. This happens to be about a retired Indian Army officer, who is now one of the foremost experts on United Nations Peacekeeping. The Article has not been approved, since the section on Career has inadequate verifiable references. Now since he is ex-military, most of those claims are difficult to support with links to news articles and such sources. How does one provide such information under these circumstances? Would it be advisable to simply delete such information and allow the article to develop over time? Any ideas from experienced editors would be welcome. Thanks. Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 00:55, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jonathanvarunbenjamin. Are you connected to the person you're trying to create this article about is some way? I'm asking this because you've uploaded three files to Commons showing the subject at various times as your "own work". One of the images is from 1992 (and it looks like it was scanned from a newspaper), the other is a photo from 2009 that seems like was taken in Lebanon, and the last one looks like a profile photo taken last year that can also be seen used online here. Are you the copyright holder of each of these images? Generally, as explained here, "own work" means you are the creator of the work; for example, you're the photographer who takes the original photo, the artist who paints the painting, the designer who designs the logo, the composer who composes the music, the author who writes the book, etc. "Own work" doesn't mean that you got the photos from somewhere, scanned them, and then uploaded them to Commons. This isn't really related to the notability of subject of the article per se and won't affect whether the draft is ultimately accepted; it does, however, affect whether Commons can keep the files you uploaded.

As for the notability of the subject of the article, you might want to try asking at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics, Wikipedia:WikiProject United Nations or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history since those three WikiProjects seem the ones that might cover someone like Bardalai. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly. Thank you for your time and reply. No, I am not related to the person, other than the fact that I happen to be from the Indian Military. As far as the three files are concerned, all of them belong to the Person themselves. So I will follow your advice and ask for permission on email, before changing the Copyright tags. Thank you for this. I didn't have this knowledge.

I will make the necessary changes and take actions, after which I will come back to you with a request for reviewing the Article. Thank you once again. Cheers.

Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 07:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Did you serve under or with this person or are you otherwise professionally connected to him? Is he a friend? You don’t necessarily have to be a relative to have a connection to him? As for the photos, copyright is typically held by the person who takes a photo, not by the person in the photo. Moreover, physically possessing a photo is not the same as being the copyright holder of a photo. — Marchjuly (talk) 09:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Nobody has answered your original question, Jonathanvarunbenjamin, so Ill try. If information has not been published anywhere, then it does not belong in a Wikipedia article, period. If it has been published only by sources connected with the subject, or it plainly comes from the subject, then it may be usable, but with restrictions: see WP:ABOUTSELF. ColinFine (talk) 15:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia BIAS

Deep Thought, Liberally Capitalized
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
18:12:02 I have been Hard Pressed to find anyone at Wikipedia to talk to. All they do is hand out a lot of disclaimers, but someone is in charge of the main Page content and I would like to know who. I have been giving to Wikipedia on a regular basis for a long time, but they are making me sick with their bias. Bias comes in what they report and What they don't report while at the same time Pretending To Be Unbiased. Which is Pretty Much what the news outlets do As Well. When I look on Wikipedia to find the results of the NCAA Kansas/North Carolina Game I get the face of a Woman and the lead story is the women's basketball. As If The Vast majority of the people in the country were not Interested in the Men's Basketball; If you believe that Your an Idiot, And Probably don't. But I have to have the women's Issues Stuck in my face, then the next Picture of the Day is A Suffragette. As A Man Who was taken apart in the Divorce Court who in The Name Of Women's Lib Routinely Destroys the Men Who Come Before them, Do not Listen To Them And Assign Them numbers & An Order to Pay Out which most Cannot afford since ii took a 2 Income family To Scratch by Economically and Now The Average man is faced with having to somehow Triple his Income to Make Ends meet And If You can't Your Called Names, Assigned to The Dead Beat File And Have your Drivers License Cancelled And Any Professional Licenses As Well. Told To get menial employment And To Regularly Go back to the Court to Grovel. While Women Have Endless Support Groups where they can go and Lie about the horrible abuse they suffered While Getting Good Material For More lies from The Women in the Groups, All To Gain A Bunch of Sympathy and Support while their husbands Are being destroyed In what Ends up as the Violent Attempted Murder of his soul. Lonely, Put upon, without support, Harassed for Money, Living in his van cuz he can't afford another place to live. Is not a viable support for another woman and Her kids, So His Future is bleak, Might as well kill himself. Why So many husbands go ballistic kill the kids, the wife and Maybe the Chaperone So he Can even see the Kids. And You still can't understand why I am not a fan of women's Lib? Well the Heavy Duty Up Up With Women Approach by Wikipedia Is Making Me Physically Ill, And I Have Cancelled my Support though I am A MENSA, have contributed to Wikipedia, and Probably Will again Given so many Mistakes it the articles. But You Insanely Liberal Morons need to realize that With all The UPUP with Women You do You are stepping on Someone Else Who Would like to See Some EQUALITY. 1 2600:1011:B158:67AC:7116:1C6A:263F:AF61 (talk) 01:21, 6 April 2022 (UTC) See WP:RGW for some guidance. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 01:31, 6 April 2022 (UTC) Main Page content, at least as far as the In The News section goes, is decided by a consensus of editors at WP:ITN/C. In fact the men's NCAA basketball is also at In The News right now, in the same blurb. Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC) For the record, Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#(Posted) NCAA Men's and Women's Basketball Championships says: "The men's tournament most outstanding player (MOP) is Ochai Agbaji of Kansas - typically the men's MOP is the image accompanying the blurb, but there is not an image of him on his article as of now, so I've added an image of the women's MOP Aliyah Boston of South Carolina." Wikipedia respects copyright and doesn't pay for images so we need free images. Images on the Internet are copyrighted by default. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Why is Wikipedia spreading Russian disinformation?

I don't understand why Wikipedia is spreading Russian disinformation about the Azov Regiment being Neo-Nazis. There were like nine Neo-Nazis in the Azov battalion in 2014, but they are no longer with Azov or no longer hold those beliefs. I think this is pretty problematic. About half of Russian disinformation articles mention the Azov Regiment, who had 1,500 members in an army of 150,000 before the war. I feel like Wikipedia is being taken in by Russian propaganda and disinformation.

There are doubtless Neo-Nazi members of other armies, like for instance the American Armed Forces. Does that make them a Neo-Nazi military? 2600:1700:72EA:4400:2DB3:22B7:E003:5DAC (talk) 01:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

This is something that you could, and perhaps should, raise at Talk:Azov Battalion. It's not a matter for discussion here; however, I will point out that the claim that it "is a neo-Nazi unit of the National Guard of Ukraine" currently comes with four references -- which looks pretty persuasive, until one notices that even the newest of the four (2019) doesn't say that it was neo-Nazi but instead that it was "initially formed out of the neo-Nazi gang Patriot of Ukraine" (my emphasis). There has already been a relevant discussion on its talk page; you're free to reopen this but you must bring new evidence or point out serious problems in the earlier discussion. (If you simply pretend that the discussion never took place, fail to point out what's wrong with the evidence that's cited, and fail to provide new and better evidence, your attempt to discuss will be quickly closed.) And a tip: Avoid rhetorical questions. Instead, write very coolly, with evidence. -- Hoary (talk) 02:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Убедительная просьба поменять фотографиюngb

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Яковлева,_Александра_Евгеньевна_(актриса) ---У недавно скончавшейся от рака актрисы и знаменитости имеется большое множество прекрасных красивых фотографий при её жизни, вот они ---- https://yandex.ru/images/search?from=tabbar&text=александра%20яковлева%20википедия ---а в самой википедии -там не достойная фотография актрисы незадолго до её смерти...зачем выставлять такие снимки?...замечательная актриса и деятель должна иметь лучшую фотографию своей знаменитой персоны!...Убедительная просьба поменять на более качественный её личный снимок в википедии!...все ссылки здесь прилагаются... Большое спасибо за редактирование!... 95.27.253.20 (talk) 03:24, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Привет! Это английская Википедия; эта статья является частью русской Википедии. Возможно, вы захотите спросить об этом на ru:Википедия:Форум/Помощь начинающим. Спасибо, что заглянули! (Translation: Hello! This is the English Wikipedia; that article is a part of the Russian Wikipedia. You probably want to ask this at (the Teahouse-equivalent on ruwiki) instead. Thank you for stopping by!) Bsoyka (talk) 03:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

How do i create about myself on wiki

I am a music producer and i would like to create a page on myself. Is that possible? K3nbeatz (talk) 07:28, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

K3nbeatz Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It is highly advised that you not attempt to do that, please read the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not interested in what people want to say about themselves- Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say about people that are shown to meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person, or in your case a notable creative professional. It is usually hard for people to summarize what others say about them, because people naturally write favorably about themselves. If you truly meet the definition, an independent editor will eventually write about you. Keep in mind that a Wikipedia article about you is not necessarily a good thing. 331dot (talk) 07:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Help with translating

Hi, I am having trouble creating an English page for a subject that is originally written in Finnish. The Finnish page is not created by me, nor am I using the translation tool, but creating a separate page since I am not part of the English Wikipedia. I'm having issues with referencing. The sources are sufficient in the Finnish version of the page, but not the translation I am trying to create. I am wondering how i can improve this, since there is very little English publications on the subject to credit as sources. I have been unable to find information about this issue anywhere. Khenrikss (talk) 07:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Khenrikss Hello and welcome. Since you are here, you are a part of the English Wikipedia. Sources do not have to be in English. It helps, but is is not required(see this policy). 331dot (talk) 07:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Khenrikss: for information on how to cite non english sources, please see for example Template:Cite web#Foreign language and translated title. MKFI (talk) 09:06, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Khenrikss I'm happy to chip in, if you'd like; I can search in Finnish and Swedish as well, which might help. Ping me back, or drop me a line on my talk page. (And FWIW, I empathise, having often come across this same problem, trying create enwiki articles based on fiwiki ones, only to find the sourcing woefully inadequate!) Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Section or sub-section?

A small unimportant question: To add a section 'Religion' to Languedoc-Roussillon, should it be added as a section or a sub-section under 'Culture'? Excellenc1 (talk) 09:57, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

References to an article and translating

Hi! How do I use the references into an article? For example, when I write an article and I start writing information about the subject, how do I use the references and are there any special cases that have to be added? Also, I've found some sources that are notable and I can use to my article, but, they are in a language I don't speak, for example Brazilian or Korean. Do I use Google Translator or is there a more accurate translator? Fisforfenia (talk) 10:14, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Fisforfenia—Hello! To add references, I'd suggest looking at Help:Referencing for beginners. If you want to learn how to put those in templates, I'd suggest reading Help:Referencing for beginners with citation templates. Also, to answer your translation question, Google Translate is a good starting point, but you should usually fix the translation yourself to make sure that it reads naturally. Once you fix it, if you are not satisfied enough, put {{machine translation}} into the article. Hopefully this helps! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 12:18, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Adding to List of online payment service providers article

Hi there, would it be possible to help me update the table on the List of online payment service providers article page? It is listed as semi-protected and so only certain users can edit. If you can help, please do let me know. Thanks. WellPort12 (talk) 10:48, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, WellPort12: every article has a talk page. You can make your suggestion on Talk:List of online payment service providers. Please phrase it precisely, and specify your source(s). -- Hoary (talk) 11:44, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

To add onto the above, see WP:ER for instructions on making an edit request. Bsoyka (talk) 11:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Adding a page about a micronation established by yourself

Hello there! I have been trying to add a new Wikipedia page about my 5-year-old micronation, in which the main purpose is to show more people the accurate information about my micronation and I wish people that are interested in the same topics as me can get along with each other. But I got rejected once while submitting the old draft. May I know what is the solution to the potential issue of my page? I wish to be successfully accepted because my micronation is about to celebrate its 5th anniversary in May and a new Wikipedia page would be a huge milestone for my micronation. Thank you for your grateful understanding!

The micronation page: Draft:Constitutional Republic of Eintrachtia C.R.Eintrachtia (talk) 11:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

The solution is to rebuild the draft from material provided in reliable sources (as reliability is defined in Wikipedia). My guess is that these sources don't exist. If they do not (or until they do), please stop your attempt to interest Wikipedia in an article on this "republic" of yours: continuing would only waste people's time. -- Hoary (talk) 11:41, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@C.R.Eintrachtia I went to newspapers.com, which has data from over 20,000 newspapers, and searched for articles on Constitutional Republic of Eintrachtia. There were none. I searched on Google and Google Books. Nothing on the above-mentioned micronation. If you have read Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners you should understand that a new draft article for Constitutional Republic of Eintrachtia can't be attempted until you have found a reliable reference for every fact you want to include in your article. It appears that you will need to celebrate your fifth anniversary without a Wikipedia article. Perhaps you can begin promoting the upcoming celebration in hopes of getting some newspaper articles written about the micronation. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

References

For my article submission, I have cited a number of newspaper and magazine articles as references. However, I have these articles as physical cuttings in my files. How do I place these articles on the internet so that they be linked to as a valid reference? Mysky2blue1 (talk) 12:19, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Mysky2blue1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The newspaper articles do not need to be online, but you do need to be able to provide the necessary publication information so that others could locate them if they wished; name of the publication, date, author, page number, etc. You would need to do that even if the sources were online. If your clippings lack any of that information, they unfortunately cannot be used. 331dot (talk) 12:35, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Do I upload them somewhere on Wikipedia? Mysky2blue1 (talk) 12:48, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Mysky2blue1—No, you do not have to upload them anywhere; as 331dot states, give the necessary details: the name of the publication, the date, the author, the page number, the volume, the link (if there is one, which there likely isn't in your circumstance), et cetera. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 12:57, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Mysky2blue1 When I say "so that others could locate them" I mean in a library or newspaper archive, not online. 331dot (talk) 14:46, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, Mysky2blue1, unless the cuttings are so old that they are out of copyright, it would be a copyright violation for you to upload them. Many websites do not worry about this, but Wikipedia does, and forbids linking to copyright violations. ColinFine (talk) 16:12, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

How to deal with troublemaking editors

What to do when the user repeatedly keep moving the pages in Draft with no proper reason, even though the page is accepted twice via AFC. Can we report to such editors and block them to do so or stop the war? Rickinmorty (talk) 12:46, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Rickinmorty! I advise you to assume good faith here, and I've pinged her on your talk page so we can find out what she sees as the issue here. Bsoyka (talk) 12:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

My article is considered for deletion but the discussion is inactive

Hello, my article FoodBeeper is considered for deletion. I want to have more opinions and a fair debate, but no one seems interested in taking part in the discussion. How do you suggest I carry on this discussion? Thank you. Regards, Rymknows23 (talk) 14:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Rymknows23—An administrator could possibly relist it to generate a more thorough discussion. Also, I would advise not relisting it yourself, since you are not an administrator. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 14:49, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Rymknows23, and welcome to the Teahouse! First, I just want to acknowledge how stressful it can be to have an article of yours nominated for deletion, so thank you for being so civil. The way our process works is that nominations are relisted until they have enough participation, so you don't need to worry about attracting others to it, and indeed, I'd advise against it to avoid any appearance of canvassing.

There are a few steps you can take to help improve the article's odds of surviving the AfD, though. What editors !voting in the discussion are looking for (per WP:NCORP) are at least two examples of significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. "Significant" here generally means something like a normal-length newspaper article focused entirely on the company. "Independent" generally means that the content of the article was created by the journalist, as opposed to a republished press release from the company. "Reliable" here means that the article appeared in a respected mainstream newspaper, ideally with a regional or national audience and evidence of an editorial process (e.g. their about page mentions fact checking/a corrections form).

So your first step is trying to make sure you've found the best possible sources. We can help you here if you're wondering whether or not a particular source qualifies. If they have Wikipedia articles, I'd recommend linking them in the citations (if they're in other languages, you can use {{interlanguage link}}; let us know if you need help with that). Once you've found them, you can write a comment at the AfD presenting your three best candidates, explaining why each of them meets each of the criteria above. After that, just sit back and wait; you can reply to comments if you have something else to add, but otherwise just wait. Ultimately, if it's found notable, excellent, and if not, it's possible it'll become notable sometime in the future after more coverage is published. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:28, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

I understand your frustration, Rymknows23, but a major reason why I haven't commented there is that you invited me to do so. I don't particularly blame you for having done so, as you did so openly (it's on my talk page) and you have even said on the AfD page that you'd done so, and anyway you're new to this. The AfD has already been widely (and legitimately) advertised: "This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink, Companies, and Algeria [...] Business, Internet, Transportation and Websites". (Indeed, this may be the widest advertising for an AfD that I've ever seen.) I am surprised not to notice any comments from any editor with a particular interest in Algeria. Note that no comment has demonstrated any kind of indignation about the article or its creator; so if the AfD succeeds (if the article is deleted) but the company is later the subject of more substantial write-ups in reliable sources, then, as Sdkb has suggested, a (better) article on the company should be possible. -- Hoary (talk) 23:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Why can't I upload a file?

In the last two or three days I have tried several times to upload three files but nothing happens - for minutes into hours the window just says 'Upload in process - Your file is being uploaded.' I have successfully uploaded some similar files in the last week or two.

These are non-free files, intended for use in the article Michael O'Connell (artist). I wonder if the problem is that I have contravened a rule of some kind.

How can I find out what's going on? Tpsoconnell (talk) 15:18, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Tpsoconnell: Hmm, that's odd. If you'd broken a rule and been banned from uploading, you would've heard, so I don't think it's that. Is the file hosted anywhere online? (If so, we can try, and we'll see if we encounter the same issue or not.) What is the extension? If you're able to give a super detailed account, WP:VPT might be able to help. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:58, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Help in starting a page

Hello,

I am interesten in writing a wikipedia page that doesn't exist yet, about a friend of mine Martin Baker, who is a writer and illustrator in the UK. I couldn't understand how to start writing a new page.

Can anyone help me in getting started?

Thank you,

Inbal Berner. באלי79 (talk) 15:45, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@באלי79: See Help:Your first article. Since he's your friend, you have a conflict of interest, so make sure to declare that when you get to the relevant page in the wizard. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:54, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@באלי79 Creating a WP-article without any previous WP-experience is difficult. Start with reading WP:BASIC. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:TUTORIAL, WP:BLP and WP:YFA. If you try to make an article with insufficient sourcing, it will be deleted. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Query regarding adding gallery pictures

I wanted to add some Gallery pictures {from the Commons) to the artist Frank Moss Bennett article. However, as soon as I put the word ==Gallery== before the References four preview warnings came up relating to the infobox template. How do I insert the Gallery without this problem BFP1 (talk) 17:07, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Are you doing it in the middle of the infobox? Johnbod (talk) 17:17, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@BFP1, it had nothing to do with what you were adding. I've removed the old parameters in the infobox that are no longer valid parameters, so you should have no further problems. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

How long for edits to take effect?

Hi, I made the simple change to correct the death date of Franklin Steele, and gave references to show that the correction was accurate, but it took 3 tries and 8 days for the change to show up. I would like to know why this was so slow to be accepted. I have not made very many edits thus far, but I have not previously had this experience of a long delay. BilCen (talk) 18:20, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Your edits were on the page the moment you pressed publish. I do not understand your question. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 18:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

BilCen, in your first edit you changed the death date in the infobox. In you second edit you changed the death date in the body of the article. In your third edit you changed the death date in the lead paragraph. All three were "accepted" the moment you hit the publish button as indicated by Roxy above. --ARoseWolf 18:36, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a moment to puzzle this out for me. I appreciate that you did, and I see what you are pointing out. BilCen (talk) 18:42, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@BilCen Unless there is some strange WP:BYPASS related problem, edits are instant. Per the edithistory, [10], you changed the date in three places, is it possible you were looking in the wrong place? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:40, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

BilCen, I'm glad we could help piece it together for you. Sometimes a fresh set of eyes can find things that are overlooked. Happy editing and if you have any further questions then please come back. --ARoseWolf 18:44, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Task Force Creation

Hello, I have a couple of people interested in starting a task force with me, and I'm trying to create a page for us to house all of our information and goals so we can recruit more participants. I plan to nest it under Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Congress, but am struggling with how to build a new page that will nest properly within this existing project. I've read through the task force guide but am still confused on the template ot make a new task force page. What text should I put at the top of the article to help it navigate properly? Thank you for helping me with this! Wildfire35 (talk) 19:16, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Task Force you say? Count me in! What am I supposed to do?Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 21:06, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Source Editing

Hi, there I am wondering about source editing. What is it?Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 21:04, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Organic Increse45. Source editing is how talk pages are edited and most experienced editors prefer to edit articles. You currently use VisualEditor in articles. You can change editing mode at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:25, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Organic Increse45–Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! The VisualEditor is more or less a what-you-see-is-what-you-get editor, where what you type in is how it's going to look when published. The source editor, thereby, is editing the raw, or "source" code of the page. The source editor works like a plain text file, but things such as links can be written with brackets ([[example link]]) and templates with other markup like {{example template}}. You can also read Help:Wikitext for how to edit source code. Hopefully this helps! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 23:22, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Dude! 00:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC) Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 00:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Is a book that my professor wrote notable enough ? What determines notability for a publication especially one that is nonfiction

My prof wrote a book called "A world from Dust" (amazon link) and I was wondering if it would be possible to write a wiki article on it and what would determine if this book was notable or not ? Psi-Archimedes (talk) 21:35, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Psi-Archimedes: Check out the guidance at WP:NBOOK RudolfRed (talk) 22:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

How to deal with troublemaking newcomers

Hi, I've recently noticed repeated acts of vandilisim on articles. Any ideas how to stop them? Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 00:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! You may install Twinkle, by reverting the user's edits and placing a notice/warning on their talk page. You may also ask for permission at WP:RFP/R, but this would be installed by experienced users who have been reverting vandalism for a while. Severestorm28 00:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Organic Increse45, your desire to counter vandalism is commendable, but your very first edit was as recent as 18 March and you've only just learned how to edit "source". I wonder if you are even fully aware of what is and isn't vandalism. (It's clear that many editors who complain about "vandalism" are complaining about something else.) As you say you've recently noticed repeated incidents, perhaps you could here provide diffs of three unrelated cases, so that more experienced editors can reassure you that yes, when you see vandalism it really is vandalism. -- Hoary (talk) 01:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Citing source

Hi, I'm trying to add a citation to One Step Beyond (Dungeon album), and I found this archive.org page of the band's website, which contains the discography information. If you navigate to the site, and then click "Music" on the top bar, then "Discography", and finally "One Step Beyond", you'll reach the page with the album's information. However, the URL of the album just leads back to the homepage. Is there anyway to account for this while citing it? I'm fine with using both the source and visual editors. 42Pies (talk) 01:16, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi 42Pies. Sometimes when you find an internal link in a webpage like this one, you can open as a separate window and then use that as the url for the source. If you hover your mouse cursor over the "Music" tab on the main page and then look at the bottom of your browser, you should see the url www.dungeon.cd/music.html. It looks like there's a "Discography" tab on that page that leads to www.dungeon.cd/discography.php and maybe that link will work for you. If not, then maybe one of these archived versions of the "Discography" page will work better. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:32, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, thanks! I was just worried that the current https://dungeon.cd wouldn't do because it's the "Dungeon Fan Page" (on right hand sidebar when visiting page) 42Pies (talk) 01:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@42Pies

(Edit conflict): I dont think theres a way to directly link to the page in question, and the URL confirms this.

In the citation include the information of how to get to the page in question If you navigate to the site, and then click "Music" on the top bar, then "Discography", and finally "One Step Beyond", you'll reach the page with the album's information. . You can do this right after the cite template but within the ref tag (easier to do in source mode). Rlink2 (talk) 01:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Am I allowed to make a draft of a repeatedly deleted article?

I recently created Draft:Magomed Tushayev as I believe the person is notable, but the article has been deleted multiple times. Am I allowed to have this article up and edit it until eventually proving notability and doing AFC? Please speedy delete it if it is not allowed MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 02:22, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Is it allowed to create the draft? Of course. Few things are truly prevented from being written as a draft. The previous deletion discussion will only be considered if you submit the article for review or move the article into main space. Which in its current state would be a CSD candidate as there is no improvement over the article previously AfDed.Slywriter (talk) 02:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I haven't looked into the article history, MaitreyaVaruna; I'll take your word for it. Any attempt to create an article is likely to be met very sceptically. So you'd better arm your draft against scepticism. Two points that I quickly noticed: (1) As "He murdered homosexuals. He was killed by the Ukrainian military", you've cited an article that I guess was, or is, in Polish. If it was (is) in Polish, then give the Polish title (to which you're welcome to add an English translation). (2) You've cited Ukrayinska Pravda as plain "Pravda", which of course usually means something quite different. -- Hoary (talk) 03:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

General help about an article

Hello! I'm actually a veteran Wikipedia-n user but I mostly deal with the technical part and haven't spend much time dealing with the small details in regard to article creation, their progress to good articles, etc. Today I was reading this article and given that I enjoy that singer I got curious to see its talk page. There I saw this template that among other things said: Aurelio Voltaire was one of the Music good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. The only problem is that there is nothing below in regard to that. What is that template referring to? That talk page is also missing its archive. The edit summary in this edit reads archiving all 2006-2008 discussions (there don't seem to be any from 2010-2011) but it looks like with "archiving" it was actually meant just plain "deleting". (Is that a normal thing to do?) Maybe there used to be some suggestions which also got deleted and now that template doesn't make sense? Maybe that template has problems? Maybe I'm misunderstanding its meaning? As I'm said, I'm rather unfamiliar with these details about articles so I thought I'd start by asking here. Thank you in advance to whoever can provide some insight! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 03:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)