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Advice needed[edit]

Hello the Guild of Copy Editors! I've been working on SpaceX Starship to improve the article's prose, because it is the main source of opposes at the latest FAC. Even after reading the Manual of Style and Tony1 exercises, I still cannot manage to make the prose better, as it seems like errors just kept popping up after a session of extensive editing. What copyediting advice do you have for a newbie like me? CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:17, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @CactiStaccingCrane:, thanks for your work on that article. I find giving article-specific advice difficult so I'll tell you how I work on copy-edits:
  • First, I edit by section (I see you do that);
  • Then, I work through each paragraph sentence by sentence in a linear fashion, making sure I understand what the text is saying.
  • I make each sentence as clear as possible.
  • I change indirect phrases to direct phrases where I can: "The dearMoon project is commented by Musk as being significant to the rocket's development." --> "Musk said the dearMoon project is significant to the rocket's development.";
  • I remove any editorial text like "moreover", "nevertheless", meanwhile", "on the other hand", etc;
  • I merge short sentences where possible but avoid making false links between clauses;
  • I check spelling, grammar and sentence structure;
  • I don't rush my work—copy-editing can be difficult when you're dealing with complex concepts.
That's all I can think of for now. Copy-editing gets easier with practice so take your time. Good luck with the article. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 21:59, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot for your advice! I would try to do it in the lead to see how it goes. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 00:03, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, just for fun, this is before:

The Kennedy Space Center is planned to have Starship launch pads at Launch Complex 39A and Launch Complex 49, north of Launch Complex 39C. Launch Complex 39A had hosted Saturn V and Space Shuttle flights, while Launch Complex 39C was planned to be built north of Launch Complex 39A and 39B to support Saturn V flights. Launch Complex 49 has been under consideration since at least 2014 and as of December 2021, under environmental review by NASA. If either launch site is to be built, Starship may need space inside the Vehicle Assembly Building. The building is divided into four high bays, with three reserved for the Space Launch System. The remaining high bay may be used to build Super Heavy and Starship, with both stages stacked at the launch pad.

The Rocket Development facility at McGregor, Texas is used to test Raptor engines before delivery to Starbase. It has a vertical test stand for firing the Raptor engine, along with a horizontal test stand for firing Raptor and Raptor Vacuum. The facility has other stands for testing Falcon rocket's stages, Merlin engines, and future reaction control thrusters on Starship. In the past, the McGregor facility hosted test flights of Grasshopper and F9R Dev1, the first stages used for landing tests. SpaceX's main factory at Hawthorne, California is producing the Raptor Vacuum and experimental designs. Another factory near the McGregor facility is under construction as of September 2021, which will make Raptor 2 engines.

Another SpaceX facility at Cocoa, Florida near the Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, in the past hosted the construction of Starship Mk2, a prototype built in competition with Starbase. As of February 2022, the facility has been processing raw materials to make the spacecraft's heat shield. Nearby the facility are hangars for Falcon rocket boosters and a large swath of land, dedicated for another Starship launch complex. The Florida facility's construction is motivated partly by the uncertain environmental review result at Starbase.

and after:

At McGregor, Texas, the Rocket Development facility tests all Raptor engines. It has two main test stands: one horizontal for both engine types and one vertical for sea level-optimized rocket engines. Other test stands are used for checking Starship's reaction control thrusters and Merlin engines. In the past, the McGregor facility hosted test flights of experimental landable first stages: Grasshopper and F9R Dev1. In the future, an under-construction factory nearby will make the new generation of sea-level Raptors. Meanwhile, SpaceX's headquarter in California will still build the Raptor Vacuum and test new designs.

As of December 2021, the Kennedy Space Center considers having Starship launch pads at Launch Complex 39A and 49. If they are approved by NASA, the spaceports will be built north of Launch Complex 39B. Launch Complex 39A in the past had hosted Saturn V and Space Shuttle flights, and Launch Complex 49 since 2014 has been in the construction plan. Once either of them is built, the company will need room inside the Vehicle Assembly Building. It has four high bays, three reserved for the Space Launch System, but NASA can lease the remaining bay for preparing Starship indoors.

As of February 2022 at Cocoa, Florida, a facility processes raw materials for making heat shield tiles. In the past, workers at this facility constructed Starship Mk2 prototype in competition with Starbase's crews. In the future, it is going to expand to have Falcon rocket booster hangars and a Starship launch complex. According to Musk, if Starbase does not pass its environmental review, this facility will take over as a primary launch site.

It really helps! Yes, the prose is a bit dry, but I'm sure it will do alright at FAC. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 07:18, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This advice benefitted me as well - thank you! Sushi725 (talk) 16:26, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I always find that it helps to read the text aloud. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:50, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Help reviewing Rikako Aida[edit]

Hello - I just joined the guild yesterday and just started trying to become a Wikipedia editor this week. I would greatly benefit from a more experienced guild member reviewing my first GOCE activity. I found the Rikako Aida article from the list of copy edit-tagged articles and gave it a whirl. Would anyone be willing to review my edits and let me know if I commmitted any faux pas?

I would like to help with the current drive but I'm worried if I'm at the level of experience needed to address specific requests yet, so I will continue to focus on articles tagged copy edit. Thank you in advance and looking forward to contributing more! Sushi725 (talk) 16:24, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the guild. I took a look at the changes you made, and they seem to all be improvements. I then read the article and didn't see any glaring errors that you missed. Dhtwiki (talk) 18:23, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much! I will forge ahead then. Sushi725 (talk) 16:17, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And please feel free to help out with the drive; there's still 11 days left! Have fun and all the best, Miniapolis 13:26, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I finally figured out how to find the requests instead of articles tagged CE so I will definitely help! Sushi725 (talk) 16:30, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Does AutoEd work on mobile?[edit]

I have to bypass my cache for AutoEd to work, but the guide to do that assumes I’m on a computer. Is there any way to do it on mobile? Speatle (talk) 19:54, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Jonesey95, who seems to have experience with AutoEd; AFAIK, you always need to bypass your cache for a script to work. This tool seems to be new, and I don't think en.m.wikipedia has as many features as the desktop version (which you can also use on a phone). You may also want to ask on WT:AED and/or the village pump. Good luck and all the best, Miniapolis 13:09, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Speatle, I never use the mobile interface for editing, but this thread may be useful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:12, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I use the desktop interface on a tablet, if that helps. Speatle (talk) 13:05, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle has an RFC[edit]

Wikipedia talk:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. 2601:647:5800:1A1F:4CAE:9DE2:30BC:86D9 (talk) 22:59, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ethiopia[edit]

We are looking for some help at the Ethiopia article. The article has been rewriten by a non native English speaker and contains lots of odd language.....lead redo would be the first step.--Moxy-Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 17:58, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Moxy: The correct action would be to submit a copy edit request at the requests page, but redoing a lead goes beyond what the guild is intended for. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:59, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds borderline to me. Unless the non-native speaker added useful, well-referenced text, I'd just revert to the last good version. Requests for articles with incomprehensible text are often declined. I also see the article is currently undergoing substantial editing; we do prefer request articles to be stable. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 22:14, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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