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Hello y'all. I'm wondering about these pages to be fixed from lint errors. I can't edit protected pages somehow, because I'm regular user. If you all want to fix it by yourselves in the protected pages, you can do it. If not, just make it semi-protected and I can fix them. These lists are categorized with lint errors in the following:

Special:LintErrors/fostered

• Project:Support desk/Sections/Database Done

Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag

• Template:Main page/devs text Done
• Manual talk:FAQ/Meta Done
• Project:Support desk/Sections/Database (This is same as fostered one. it can be added to <pre> tag to rid off the errors at the same time.) Done
• Template:Sp-contributions-footer (Not possible for me, because it's used in system message and only administrators can edit it.)
• MediaWiki:Perfcached (Not possible for me, because it's used in system message and only administrators can edit it.) Done
• Category:Candidates for speedy deletion Done
• Template:Editnotice load (Not possible for me, because it's used in system message and only administrators can edit it.)

Special:LintErrors/obsolete-tag

• Manual talk:FAQ/Meta Done
• User talk:HappyDog/Relevant Done
• User talk:HappyDog/Boring Done
• Project:Support desk/Sections/Uploading Done
• User:SVG/PGP keys (+ it's cascade protected.) Done
• User:Ladsgroup/Round 2 Done
• User:SVG/PGP keys/mediawiki (it's cascade protected by User:SVG/PGP keys) Done
• User:SVG/PGP keys/kontakt (it's cascade protected by User:SVG/PGP keys) Done

I will let you know if there are more.

The LintErrors report claims that Template:Editnotice load has an unclosed p tag, but the template contains no such tags, and looking through it and its subtemplates, all tags appear to be correctly closed, so I'm not sure how to fix that. If you can provide code that fixes the issue, I can change the template.

It’s in Template:Editnotices/Namespace/Template (also fully protected). Changing

 |<div class="warningbox"><p><translate><!--T:1--> When making major changes to this template please be sure to update its [[<tvar|1>{{FULLPAGENAME}}/doc</>|documentation]].</translate><p></div>

to

 |<div class="warningbox"><p><translate><!--T:1--> When making major changes to this template please be sure to update its [[<tvar|1>{{FULLPAGENAME}}/doc</>|documentation]].</translate></p></div>

would fix the lint error, but I’m wondering why the paragraph tag is needed at all. I think

 |<div class="warningbox"><translate><!--T:1--> When making major changes to this template please be sure to update its [[<tvar name="1">{{FULLPAGENAME}}/doc</tvar>|documentation]].</translate></div>

would be just as good. (In the second suggestion, I’ve also updated the tvar tags to the new, Parsoid-compatible syntax.)

I updated the template per your second suggestion. Thanks for finding the actual issue!

Hi. I've imported template:infobox military conflict and I want to know how to add extra data in this infobox. As I'm starting a wiki about WW2 videogames I want to add datas such as "game" or "previous level", "concurrent level" and etc... in this wikipedia template without modifing its style. How can I do it? I'm sorry for my bed english and for my ignorance of how mediawiki works.

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I tried to update a dead link under MediaWiki-Vagrant#Authoring roles and got directed here. Perhaps links to the Puppet website should be whitelisted? Or is there some other procedure for adding Puppet links I'm unaware of?

Agreed that puppet links should be exempted from that abuse filter. I've made the edit, and for what it's worth you've now made enough edits to MediaWiki.org that further attempts to add links or modify links should succeed.

Appreciate it :)

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Xeno (WMF) 02:17, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Not done.

Hello. I am new to MediaWiki. I cant't edit the page above because Clump decided to protect that page. Will you temporarily unprotect it for 1 hour please? Thank you if you help me! --Fragguni9989 (talk) 02:14, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Why?

@Fragguni9989 You can post your enquiry here, and Clump or another administrator will see it.

@Clump: To tell you to ask Koavf on wikispecies to unblock me.

I have no connection with that wiki.

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T301764

I have translated 11 strings of total 15 strings of Template:Bundled to Finnish. Page Template:Bundled/fi still doesn't exist, despite the first translations made by me on 5 February and the display title string have also been translated since 5 Feb. Why doesn't it still exist?

I don't see any obvious reason for this. It should probably be reported on Phabricator

Noting that this was filed as phab:T301764 (which I failed to notice originally and filed a duplicate task, oops)

The issue is that <translate> tags are used inside JSON content (templatedata), which is not safe. You can avoid issues with <translate nowrap>, but that isn't fully safe either.

I've added all the existing translations to templatedata directly. I haven't marked the page for translation yet in case someone wants to double-check (since marking for translation would delete the units). But otherwise it should fix the problem once it gets marked for translation.

We should find other instances of translate tags inside templatedata, and be sure the relevant people adding those tags are aware of the problem. cc @Wladek92, @Shirayuki

Thanks for warning. I rather update the template data form when it exists but the remark is good to know.

Christian 🇫🇷 FR (talk) 17:12, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

The following pages contain ‎<translate> tags and {{PAGELANGUAGE}} inside templatedata:

• Template:DoNotTranslate
• Template:Essay

do we update tag:templatedata ? may be risk of duplicate if "{{PAGELANGUAGE}}" remains

Christian 🇫🇷 FR (talk) 21:52, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Would it be a good idea to write a Lua module than converts translations from the form the Translate extension produces to the form TemplateData expects?

If I'm not mistaken, such module would require to fetch individual translations from all languages the page has been translated to. That would be one expensive call per language per unit, where we have one unit per parameter and one for the template alone. This can quickly escalate to the current limit of costly calls, which is 500.

Thank you to @Shirayuki for fixing both of these mistakes.

I haven't marked the page for translation yet in case someone wants to double-check (since marking for translation would delete the units).

The unit pages themselves aren’t automatically deleted, e.g. Translations:Template:Bundled/11/fi still exists, so reverting the edits would restore the translations (although as far as I remember, fuzzy state is lost when the unit is removed and later re-added).

That would be one expensive call per language per unit, where we have one unit per parameter and one for the template alone.

Somewhat silly, but I think template transclusion doesn’t count to that limit (there are other limits on template transclusion, though). So going through all languages, trying to transclude the translations and catching the exception if it doesn’t exist could actually work without reaching the limit. (Although it could make sense to go through the languages, check with #ifexist’s Lua equivalent if the template itself (not a translation unit) exists in that language, and going through only the translation units that may realistically exist. This way we go over 300 languages only once, the rest of the loops go over only the existing few or few dozen languages.)

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I no longer need them; they can be removed.

No longer require them, so have requested removal.

Permissions removed yesterday, since no one more answered. Thanks,