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March 9

Adding Ex Wife to Wiki Page

Hello - Will someone please assist me in adding/updating Tommy Ford's Wiki page? I am Wanda Taylor, Tommy Ford's ex wife (1st wife). Tommy and I were married May 12, 1990-96. I would like our marriage to be noted on his wiki page. I have a certified marriage certificate confirming marriage.

I would be so grateful and appreciate detailed directions on updating his wiki page.

Thomas Mikal Ford

Thank you, Wanda Taylor — Preceding unsigned comment added by WandaLouise (talk • contribs) 02:03, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

WandaLouise To update the article (not "wiki page") we need a publicly available reliable source that can be verified. A marriage certificate in private hands is not acceptable. Is there a newspaper announcement or marriage notice? 331dot (talk) 02:11, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

The marriage happen in 1990. I will contact the Las Vegas review Journal to see if marriage was published. We never made a formal announcement, we elooped. Tommy's family, friends, coworkers and most recent ex-wife are aware of the marriage. I will seek published notice. If unsuccessful what is another option? Please advise. Thank you. WandaLouise (talk) 23:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@WandaLouise: Unfortunately if there isn't any source whatsoever of your marriage to Thomas then there's nothing you can do. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@WandaLouise: Hi again! You asked a similar question here a few days ago - see Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 March 4#Adding Spouse to see the answers you received. GoingBatty (talk) 03:16, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

English for inflation

I often use the inflation template for US dollars to see for example what 1849 dollars would be in today's money. I suspect there is something similar for English pounds. I am looking for the inflation template for an amount of £7,000 of 1840. Can that be shown in England money and US $ money. Is there a combo template? Can someone demonstrate that here. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:26, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

{{Inflation|UK|7000|1840}} gives "equivalent to £646,179 in 2020" (Template:Inflation). Be aware that there are two UK codes: UK and UK-GDP. There are lots of examples in the template's documentation. Bazza (talk) 12:20, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

• The 1901 amount of $50,000 ($1.56 million in 2020) gives a template that automatically updates to the current date year available in the Wikipedia database, which will advance from time to time. Is there an English "Inflation Template" that does the same?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:19, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Template:Inflation is used for a variety of indices, including US, US-GDP, UK and UK-GDP. The documentation for Template:Inflation suggests that Template:Inflation/year is used to find the latest (and so default) end-year for any given index; so for the UK-GDP index, {{Inflation/year|UK-GDP}} gives 2019. I recommend you have a read of the documentation at the top of Template:Inflation and the bottom of Template:Inflation/year. The templates get information from datasets named, for example, Template:Inflation/UK/dataset or Template:Inflation/US-GDP/dataset. Have a look at the source in those to see the figures used, including the most recent and default at the bottom. I must admit to not being an expert in this specifically, but a previous life required me to deconstruct code and documentation to see how stuff worked, which was good fun and still sometimes is. Bazza (talk) 14:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Mistaken warning

A IP user, say X replaced sourced content with hoax, another IP user Y changed it to true information but without the sources. An anti-vandalism editor mistakenly reverted user Y's edit and also left an warning in their talk page, which is kinda unfair. What should I do in this situation? ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 13:21, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

If it was me, I think I would revert the article to before X's vandalism. Leave a note for Y explaining that they didn't really do anything wrong. And leave a message for the anti-vandalism editor explaining what happened and suggesting that he/she might like to check the history a bit more carefully in future (phrasing it nicely, of course).--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:47, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

In my opinion, I would revert to the version before X's vandalism (or just remove it if there were constructive edits in between X's vandalism and Y's change) and remove the warning on Y's page (possibly leaving a note saying that the warning was made in error) and then warn X with an appropriate warning (if it isn't stale) and then kindly let the user who placed the warning on Y's talk page that they made a mistake and warned the wrong editor and to be a bit more careful in the future. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:31, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Re-rating an article which is no longer a stub

Can somebody please advise what the proper etiquette is here ... if I expand a Stub article, I have always avoided changing the classification myself (that would be like marking your own homework; I can't be objective). But if I just leave it, years could go by and nobody notices that it needs to be reclassified, and in the meantime it clutters up WikiProject lists of articles needing attention, etc. Is there some way to flag an article as needing re-assessment?--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:33, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz: Hi there! One way to do it would be to remove the current assessment. GoingBatty (talk) 13:53, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: - a nice lateral approach, thanks. Looking at WikiProject Biography for example, that will add it to the list of 66,157 unassessed articles. Guess I need to practice patience...--Gronk Oz (talk) 15:39, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Anomie, Hazard-SJ, Legoktm, and Magioladitis: Would one of you be willing to run your autoassessment bot through Category:Unassessed biography articles and its subcategories to make a dent in that number of unassessed articles? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:10, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Gronk Oz, I have no hesitation in upgrading any article from stub to start if I have expanded it significantly or anyone else has done so. Cullen328 (talk) 18:37, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I think the general consensus I've encountered is it's okay to rate your own articles up to C class. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 21:13, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328: - thanks, if you say so, then that's what I will do. @Skarmory: I find the descriptions of Start and C can be hard to distinguish (where does "quite incomplete" become "missing important content", etc.) so I think for now I will leave that decision to others. At least if I can take it off Stub I will be happy. --Gronk Oz (talk) 01:37, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Totally understandable – I personally view the difference between Start and C as the C class article not having any obvious style issues and having decently referenced content, basically just an article that looks decent; if I see any maintenance tags I usually just tag as Start, and there's obviously a lot more nuances, but that's about as brief as I can describe it off the top of my head. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 04:39, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Created page has been deleted

Hello, I recently created a page titled Michael Kovrig. It has since been deleted by another user and I cannot see who did it or how to undo the change. Please assist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam Scolin (talk • contribs) 15:17, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Adam Scolin: Michael Kovrig to has been a redirect Detention of Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig since last year, and you have been editing the destination page since January. Could you please explain further? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:32, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

You have been editing the article Michael kovrig, which is different from the article Michael Kovrig. The latter was merged last September it was merged into Detention of Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig by Klbrain, after a discussion at Talk:Michael Kovrig#Notability / merge proposal. The former (the one you have been editing) has now also been converted into a redirect, by Pichpich, citing the same discussion.

If you wish to change the consensus that there should not be a separate article, you need to establish a new consensus by discussion, probably at Talk:Detention of Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig. ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Adam Scolin: For reference, if you want to access the original page after it has been redirected, there will be a small note saying you have been redirected, below the title and the note saying it's from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia; from there, click on the blue link, and you'll be taken to the redirect page. From there, you can access the history and see the reasoning why someone has undone your change, and if you want to, you can re-revert it (though I would recommend discussing on a talk page first, and if you keep reverting, you may end up getting into an edit war, which could get you blocked). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 04:47, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Received message about joining another Language Wikipedia site?

I noticed that I received a message from a bot account named Wagino_Bot, saying "Thanks for joining Malay Wikipedia", even though I've never visited the Malay Language wikipedia site (ms.wikipedia.org) before. Is this normal or;, has my account been hacked, or is this just an error?

Also, after having read it, I couldn't find the message in my Notifications page, even in the 'Read' section.

Should I be worried about this?

Datboi73 (talk) 16:43, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Datboi73 No, you were not hacked. This is a not uncommon occurence. 331dot (talk) 17:02, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

On some Wikipedias, the first time you click on the Wikipedia (usually by accident), it sends you a welcome notification, and it does this for everyone logged in. Presumably you just accidentally clicked on a link to Malay Wikipedia at some time. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:09, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks@331dot and @Joseph2302! I think I might've just opened a linked page on like reddit or somewhere else and just forgot about it. Datboi73 (talk) 21:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Datboi73: Special:CentralAuth/Datboi73 shows your Malay account was created 5 February 2022. Some languages use bots to welcome new users. It varies when the bots run. You were welcomed 3 March. I guess you haven't logged in since. After first reading a notification from a foreign wiki, it can only be seen at that wiki. You are not the first to be worried by such messages from wikis you haven't edited. I have a proposal to disallow them at meta:Welcoming policy. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:09, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Sonic the Hedgehog (film series)

Hello. I have been working on a draft about the Sonic the Hedgehog film series, as the article itself is a protected redirect. Let me know what you think. ZX2006XZ (talk) 17:26, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@ZX2006XZ: I'm fairly sure Non-free files (which I'm fairy sure that logo is) aren't allowed in draft space unless I'm mistaken. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:27, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

The logo was uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. ZX2006XZ (talk) 17:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Disregard my above comment. Didn't realize it met the threshold of originality. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:29, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Blaze Wolf, actually, the opposite is correct. If this specific logo met the Threshold of originality, then it would be copyright protected and ineligible for uploading to Commons. Because it does not meet that threshold, it is in the public domain and is on Commons. Cullen328 (talk) 02:12, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Oops my bad. I got the terms confused. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:15, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Blaze Wolf, one of your positive attributes is that you readily admit when you have made a mistake. That indicates that you are learning, and that's good. Cullen328 (talk) 02:21, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328: I have no reason to not admit my mistakes. I'm only human so I will inevitably make mistakes. (yes that is a reference to a song, Billy Joel is one of my favorite artists) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 03:27, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

FWIW, I don't have an issue with the article, I'd either go AfC, or just request the technical move Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Is there a way to always get the second to last (n-1) value of a WikiData property?

I want to always compare the newest WikiData value with the second newest value.
This would be possible if I could:

1. Sort the values in a different way, before I fetch them.

2. Get the length of the list of values (index of n).

3. Sort the list of values after I fetch them all.

Is there a way to do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Contributes (talk • contribs) 22:56, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Contributes: This is a bit technical. Perhaps someone here will know, but I think you might have more luck asking at the Wikidata data access talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 02:24, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

March 10

Regarding Creating a Wikipedia Page for Great Learning

Hi,

I have seen that for most of the brands you have created a wiki page and similarly I want to create a wiki page for my company Great Learning. It is an ed tech company like coursera and simplilearn and dealing in the same business. Kindly let me know how we can proceed here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.36.182.129 (talk) 06:21, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

There have been two articles (not "pages") titled Great Learning, and both have been deleted for not being notable. Here are the discussions: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Great Learning (company) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Great Learning (Company). You might have more luck adding a little more info to Byju's#Acquisitions, where the notability threshold isn't as high. You only need one source for each item you add to an existing article. But keep in mind that if you include info about Great Learning, it won't look right unless someone also balances it out by adding info about Byju's other acquisitions. Also, with regards to the other EdTech articles, see WP:OTHERSTUFF. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:06, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Публикация

Добрый день , раннее внесены все поправки на публикацию статьи.Опубликуйте пожалуйста статью, которая находится на моем личном кабинете. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ratatuy777 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ratatuy777 (talk • contribs) 07:19, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ratatuy777:Я не вижу никаких материалов от вас. Возможно, вы ошиблись энциклопедией. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:43, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia search engine

I am a writer, particularly in the field of history and politics. Of course I do a lot of research on the web. My researches normally start with simple questions asked on google. I notice - as everyone I suppose - a progressive deterioration in the quality of Google responses. Content of answers is mostly driven by advertising, answers are often totally misleading, nothing to do with your request. You have to waste a terrific amount of time and patience before getting to something really pertinent to the problem you are searching on. If you are lucky you end up finding exactly the info you were looking for. Why does it take so many steps to get to it? I suspect that money plays an important role in the poor performance of Google. Before being a search engine, Google is a money machine. Of course Wikipedia has its own search engine which is not influenced by money, but its capacity to answer complex questions is zero, despite the fact that somewhere you have often the anwer. Improving your search engine could be good business? I would be willing to pay for a better service. It would be more than natural paying a fixed yearly fee to Wikipedia, which is what I already do voluntarily. Best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.53.234.62 (talk) 11:29, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia's search bar is not meant as an internet-wide search engine to answer questions, but a way to locate particular articles(or other pages) here on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is in the encyclopedia business, not the search engine business. 331dot (talk) 11:37, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Wasn't there a WMF-project about making a search-engine at some point though? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:05, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

The Wikipedia active editor community basically stomped that idea flat, after the WMF wasted an incredible amount of money exploring the possibility. The community's almost unanimous conclusion was that a search engine was not what we needed to focus our time and programmer energy on, and not just because we'd be competing with some of the richest corporations on this planet. --Orange Mike | Talk 03:54, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

You could create an account and work towards extended confirmed user rights to become eligible for access to the Wikipedia Library, which offers access to partnered databases. Wikipedia's search features are dependent on the quality of articles, which, as a user-generated site, may not always be what you're looking for. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:06, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

You might also like to try out the various Wikipedia reference desks, listed at WP:RD. I can't speak for the Humanities one but the science one to which I and many other volunteers contribute is a pretty helpful place for questions asked by researchers who are genuinely interested in a topic. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:45, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Ruth Fraser MBE

I would like to start a biography page regarding Jean Ruthven Fraser MBE.

She was the first manager of the Red Cross Blood Collection Centre in 1967, reporting to the management committee daily at first , weekly then monthly. She organised the collection of blood, donor recruitment and forward planning of mobile unit visits.

Initially, the management committee thought the collection centre would be staffed by volunteers. It became apparent very quickly and Ruth had to advise the management committee a more formal structure was the only way forward and insisted that everyone should be paid as if they were employed in a civil servant basis.

Each step was a new begining.

The original management committee were:

Run Run Shaw Margaret Castles And others

The original staff were :

Ruth Fraser - SRN - collection centre manager. Mo Bailey - SRN - mobile unit in charge . Dorothy - SRN - mobile unit in charge.

Hermine - Secretary to Ruth Fraser

Vallery Hoffer - Donor Recruitment Pat Arculli - Donor Recruitment

In the begining she sent out mobile units to British and Austrailian Ships in the harbour by hiring Chinese Lighters , little San-pan vessels, and knock on the side of the ships asking them if they could come and collect blood. Ruth and her staff didn't have access to phone numbers or shore agents offices. It was all on an adhoc basis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by All-is-History (talk • contribs) 12:44, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@All-is-History: You're going to really want to read WP:YFA, and find reliable sources (especially those that establish notability as Wikipedia defines it) to get a good starting point for a draft. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:08, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia IP Address revelation to public.

So I was trying to check out Wikipedia, and accidently ended up editing a page (I have never edited on Wikipedia and don't plan to do so) without intent, and as far as I remember I think I made absolutely no change to the page, and then ended up closing the edit page, I am not sure if my IP address was public but out of fear I ended up signing in to avoid revelation to public, I received up to 3 messages by admins about declining my wish to (accidently) edit. Now I don't know if my IP address is public but kindly help me, if it is indeed public I hope it can get suppressed forever too. Please resolve my problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ANH Anakin (talk • contribs) 14:25, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia recently removed IP addresses from being displayed to the public, with only certain users being able to see them (such as administrators). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:49, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

ANH Anakin (talk) 14:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

You may contact an oversighter, instructions at WP:OVERSIGHT. 331dot (talk) 14:55, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

When you are not logged in to your account then your IP address is recorded publicly next to every edit you make. There is a masking feature coming but AFAIK it hasn't been implemented yet. If you are logged in, then your IP address is recorded in a private log that only a small set of trusted users have access to, and those users have to sign an agreement that they will not disclose that information. There does not seem to be a public link between this account and your IP address right now, but if you are concerned about someone finding it then yes, you should contact oversight - they can remove your IP address from public view. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:32, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

[1] link content

How to make [1] link content? 47.234.198.142 (talk) 15:18, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

If you write your link between a single set of square braces, mediawiki will render it as an external link, like so: [https://some.web.site] becomes [1]. If you want the text of the link to be something other than a number, write it after the link inside the braces, like this: [https://some.other.site This is a link!] = This is a link!. You can experiment with this in the sandbox, but before you add any links to articles please familiarize yourself with our external links guideline; most of the time external links should not be in articles at all. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:25, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

You may also be looking for how to make citations. Something like <ref>{{cite web |last1=Blah |first1=Blah |title=Best Source Ever |url=www.bestsourceever.com |website=Awesome Website |access-date=10 March 2022}}</ref> will produce this:~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:33, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

References

~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:33, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Fixed {{reflist talk}}

The error message in your example because cs1|2 templates require properly formatted urls in |url=. In this case, |url=www.bestsourceever.com is missing the scheme (typically http:// or https://. When demonstrating external links or cs1|2 template linking to someplace, http://www.example.com is a good place to link.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Moving a supposedly public-domain image to Commons

Hi everyone,

I'd like to move this (or a PNG version of it):

 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Signatureprogram.gif>

to Commons but, after reading

 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Moving_files_to_Commons>,

I'm not sure what to do. Reasonably, the person who uploaded it is its author, and released it into the public domain. But how am I supposed to verify that? —Gennaro Prota^•Talk 15:50, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gennaro Prota: I'm not sure how to answer your question in the general case. In this specific case, I do not believe that this content rises to the level of creativity as to be copyrightable in the first place, except for the actual Windows window which is not the "author's" work anyway. For this specific case, I recommend you create a new image yourself by running the C program and capturing the output somehow (maybe as a text block in an SVG file) and then releasing the result as your own work. -Arch dude (talk) 16:49, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gennaro Prota: here is my first third attempt. I will fix it up after two fixups:

Sierpinski triangle signature program output

@Arch dude: Thanks. In fact, you made me realize that we don't need an image at all (how did I miss this?). I'm sorry you spent time on it, but it seems that the best solution is to just insert the program output as preformatted text and request deletion of both your image and the one I was asking about. What do you think? —Gennaro Prota^•Talk 15:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gennaro Prota: If you just add the ASCII art inline, you can and should remove the existing file from the English encyclopedia as its copyright is slightly sketchy. There is no need to remove my little effort from Commons: it can just sit there with no harm done. As to the effort, if I were not having fun I would not have done it. -Arch dude (talk) 16:16, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Image keeps being pushed down

Created/editing the page Omameda Towako and Her Three Ex-Husbands. Uploaded the poster (fair use, checked) with the purpose of it being in the cast section, but the infobox keeps pushing it to the external links. Is there a way to fix this? --FreeChurros (talk) 17:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Try moving the picture to the left (put left instead of right in the template), then put {{clear left}} after the picture. Does that create a good result? --Verbarson ^talk_edits 20:19, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Puts it on top of the cast list but the placement still feels a bit awkward. --FreeChurros (talk) 20:37, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@FreeChurros: I used {{stack}} to fix the placement. GoingBatty (talk) 21:47, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Merge

How does one go about proposing an article merge? I'm seeking to merge the little content found here: Jules Podell and the similar content covered here: Copacabana. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 18:39, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I think you can read WP:Merge. Ruslik_Zero 19:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

How to publish an article?

Hello I just finished an article about a publisher from Vermont. I believe i followed all the rules, but would welcome feedback. But the article does not show up in a search. What did i do wrong?

Thank you for any help. The article is “Suzanne Gillis” Shari — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shariba (talk • contribs) 22:05, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

The article does not "show up" because it is not an article. You have created it in your own user page, User:Shariba. Your user page is not intended for use as an article, but for information about yourself, as relevant to your editing activities in Wikipedia. I suggest that you move its content (apart from the "paid editor" disclosure at the top) to a draft with a suitable title; or it you don't know how to do that, ask someone here to do it for you. Maproom (talk) 22:28, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Comment - article is now at Suzanne (Sue) Gillis. GoingBatty (talk) 02:15, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Own profile

I need to make my own profile on my name in wikipedia as a social worker. I don't know how to make my own page and what documents will need to upload, Please let me know all about.

Thanks and Regards. Raj Muqeet — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raj Muqeet 21 (talk • contribs) 23:41, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Raj Muqeet 21: I am rather concerned that you "need" to have a page on yourself here. Wikipedia is not a directory and the encyclopedia has no interest in an article on you if you are not notable by its definition. Your purposes would be best fulfilled on a social networking site like LinkedIn. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:43, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Raj Muqeet 21: Unless you've been written about extensively in the media for your work, it's unlikely you will have enough sources to demonstrate notability. It's also very hard to actually write a good article that will be approved. The LinkedIn advice above will save you time and frustration. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:38, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

March 11

Is there anything I should do about this?

I've lately seen a few editing summaries on BLPs stating that the user making the edit is either the subject of the BLP or a relative. Is there anything I should do about this? If so, what? InterstateFive (talk) - just another roadgeek 03:02, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@InterstateFive: Hi there! You could share WP:COI with them, encourage them to declare their COI on their user page, and encourage them to submit suggestions to the article talk page in the future. You could also add {{Connected contributor}} to the article talk page. GoingBatty (talk) 03:29, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty My real concern was what if they aren't who they state? What should I do then? InterstateFive (talk) - just another roadgeek 03:32, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@InterstateFive: If they state they are a BLP or relative, then they shouldn't edit the article. If they're not who they claim they are, maybe they'll own up to it when you tell them they can't edit the article. Any changes they make to the article should be supported by reliable published sources - claiming to be the subject or a relative isn't good enough. If sources aren't provided, then consider reverting the changes. GoingBatty (talk) 03:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

When I put up a "connected contributor" notice, I mention in the edit summary what the situation is; e.g., "claims to be subject"; "claims to be grandchild of subject"; "claims to be SEO/IT director of subject". --Orange Mike | Talk 03:58, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

When I add a "connected contributor" notice, I use the otherlinks parameter to link to the diff where they made their declaration claim. GoingBatty (talk) 04:39, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Karen Joy Fowler

User:BruceODeming Special:Contributions/BruceODeming sloppy 2015-08-13 edits of Karen Joy Fowler still remain. It could use tags, hatnotes, etc. ... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 06:06, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

That editor has not edited since 2015. If you have suggestions regarding that article, the place for them is Talk:Karen Joy Fowler, or you can, of course, make the improvements yourself. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:35, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

John Young

MY NAME IS JOHN YOUNG AND I WAS THE FIRST PERSON IN 1962 TO RUN FROM WELLINGTON TO AUCKLAND IN 1964 I WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO RUN FROM BLUFF TO CAPE REINGA. I AM SO DISAPPOINTED TO READ THAT MY NAME IS NOT HONOURED FOR MY EFFORTS AS A LONG-DISTANCE RUNNER. I WAS A MEMBER OF THE OWAIRAKA ATHLETIC CLUB AND WAS COACHED BY ARTHUR LYDIARD. I RAN ALONGSIDE MANY OF THE WONDERFUL ATHLETES THAT WERE EVER REPRESENTATIVES OF NEW ZEALAND. I FEEL REALLY SAD THAT I AM UNDEREXPOSED AS ONE OF NEW ZEALAND'S FIRST LONG-DISTANCE RUNNERS. I HOPE THAT YOUR COMPANY WILL LOOK INTO THE REQUEST I AM ASKING FOR. THE NEW ZEALAND HERALD HAS WRITTEN REPORTS ON MY ATHLETIC PERFORMANCES FROM 1962 1964 1968. KINDEST REGARDS DR. JOHN YOUNG — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.19.201 (talk) 09:15, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I have added a new section heading, as I assume that your question is not about Karen Joy Fowler. If you have a question about a particular article the place to ask is on that article's talk page. If you want to write an article about yourself, you need to read the advice against autobiography, and in particular you need to understand Wikipedia's definition of notability, and in particular WP:Notability (sports). After that you can read the advice at WP:Your first article. And please don't SHOUT; it is regarded as impolite and makes your message more difficult to read. --David Biddulph ([[User tal--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:45, 11 March 2022 (UTC)k:David Biddulph|talk]]) 09:27, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

John, Wikipedia is written by volunteers - nobody assigns writing assignments. I have passed on your request to WikiProject Athletics in the hope that somebody there might be interested in writing the article.--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:45, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

harvnb

Hi - I have noticed probably thousands of incomplete (unverifiable) citations in Wikipedia attributed to harvnb - typically, the syntax is {{harvnb|name|date}} - is this a bot or someone who is systematically under citing? It is hard to clean up entries when there are so many of these in a single article but if they are legitimate, then I am missing something probably pretty basic here in my wiki-education (my default position).Geneus01 (talk) 10:00, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I have added nowiki tags to your question so that readers can see the syntax to which you refer. Have you read Template:harvnb? Could you give an example of a page which you believe is inappropriately referenced in this way? It isn't a form of referencing which I use, but if you give us an example, editors who use it regularly will be able to give you an answer. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:34, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Geneus01. {{harvnb}} and the similar {{sfn}} are valid ways of creating a citation. In general they have three part name, year, and page. As an example <ref>{{harvnb|Brown|2009|p=146}}</ref> or {{sfn|Brown|2009|p=146}}, note that the {{sfn}} type don't use <ref> tags. There is another part to these, there should be a cite somewhere in the article to a book, website, Journal or such that matches the details given. So in the example given {{cite book |last=Brown |first=Paul |year=2009 |title=the meaning of life}} would be a valid reference, and the harvnb and sfn examples would link to it. If you have a specific article I can be more specific. These are valid though, and shouldn't be removed. LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmission∆ °co-ords° 10:49, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I have mocked up an example in my sandbox, to show how it all links up. LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmission∆ °co-ords° 11:00, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Nominating Draft:Plugg (music) to become a real article

My men, please help me nominate that draft to get it moved into article space. I have no idea how to do that. I've started it in late January, I was seriously expanding it until early Feb and now I am seeing interest from other wikipedians who also started to contribute to it. The draft has a great deal of sources and it is de facto a real article now as others began contributing to it but still residing in draft space. Thanks PDDisPDDat (talk) 10:39, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@PDDisPDDat: It seems you (or someone else) has already submitted it for review. All you can do now is wait and continue editing it in the meantime. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I've found WP:Drafts page and found a solution there PDDisPDDat (talk) 14:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Unable to find my article on google search.

I updated an article about Martieon Watson a football player on 9 March 2022. But I am unable to find it in google search or Wikipedia search. I want to know why this is happening. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nexgem Sports (talk • contribs) 13:15, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Nexgem Sports/sandbox isn't publised. You would need to submit it for WP:AFC. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:21, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Nexgem Sports: The item as drafted, to date, is unlikely to be accepted. The criteria at the football notability guidelines and WP:NSPORTS generally have undergone a lot of changes recently many of which have yet to be fully resolved. The former guidelines required that he had played in a fully professional league or as a top-level international. However, the guidelines now are more slanted toward the general notability critieria. This means that Wikipedia will require in-depth coverage of the player in multiple reliable sources which *must* be independent of the subject. The only source is to what looks like your own website and therefore may not be considered usable on Wikipedia. Your username cannot imply shared or corporate use and a change should be requested via WP:UNC. If you have a connection to the subject you will need to read WP:PAID and WP:COI and make the necessary declarations.

In addition, even if the draft is accepted, it will not be indexed by search engine for 90 days or until it is reviewed, whichever comes soonest. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 14:35, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Oroks wiki page

This is less of a question and more of a request. I've never edited on Wikipedia before but on the wiki page there is a part that acknowledges these people would prefer to be referred to as ul'ta or uilta and that orok is a derogatory term. Would it be possible to change this like out of respect? 209.94.47.105 (talk) 15:31, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

On the English Wikipedia, article titles are determined by the subject's common name as used by reliable sources. If it can be demonstrated that the majority of English reliable sources uses Uilta over Orok, then this could be considered; otherwise, Wikipedia is not censored. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:39, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

If you can find additional reliable sources that show that the people themselves consider the term to be derogatory, then this should be moved from the "etymology" section into the article's lead section. We are not censored, but we do try to be sensitive to this sort of thing. As of now, we only have claims from an associated Japanese organization referring to the larger group of which the Russian group is a subset. If you prefer not to edit the Oroks page yourself, then discuss this on it's talk page: talk:Oroks. -Arch dude (talk) 17:45, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

How do I insert a PDF file into a question that I want to ask at the Reference Desks?

How do I insert a PDF file into a question that I want to ask at the Reference Desks? What do I need to do, exactly? I have never "downloaded" a file onto Wikipedia ... and don't even know if it's possible (as part of a Reference / Help Desk question) ... ? Please advise. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:08, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Or ... a WORD or Excel file, for that matter ... ? Or a photo file ... ? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:08, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: In general, you don't. You can put it somewhere else on the web and provide a link. To add it to Wikipedia, you upload it like any other file, but it is subject to all of the copyright and/or fair use rules that apply to any other uploaded file, such as an image file. Such a file is in one of two separate file repositories and not "in" the reference desk question. To add the image to your question, you would use the same syntax that you use to add an image to an article or add an image here at the help desk. -Arch dude (talk) 17:55, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry, but I did not understand a word that you said. Sorry about that. I have never “downloaded” – if that’s the correct word – any files to Wikipedia. And I don’t know how to do so. Also, I have never “downloaded” any files directly to the internet / world-wide-web … and I would not even know how to do so. Also, I can’t imagine that I would actually need to do so. (But, who knows?) So … let me re-phrase my original question. I want to post a question to (one of) the Wikipedia Reference Desks. The question would – in essence – say, “Please look at this document … I have a question about it”. And I would like the responders (Wikipedia editors) to be able to see the document, and its contents, in order to answer my question about that document. At this exact moment … I am not sure – yet – if my file is a Word, Excel, PDF, or photo file, or whatever … ? So, how can I post a question at a Wikipedia Reference Desk … for which the responding party (Wikipedia editor) would need to take a look at the specific file that I have a question about? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:57, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Also, to be clear ... this is simply a document that I created myself. Not the work of any other party. I can format it in Word, or Excel, or as a PDF, or as a photo or a screen shot. Or whatever. Whichever is easiest for these purposes. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:58, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: The word you're looking for is upload. Easiest way would be to host it from an external site, but the file upload wizard should hopefully be able to walk you through the steps required. Since you say it's your own work, you shouldn't run into too many hurdles. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:10, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Some terminology:: when you upload something, you copy it from your computer to somewhere on the internet. When you download something, you copy it from somewhere on the internet to your computer — think of the internet as being up in the clouds. When you read a Wikipedia page, its content, including images and stuff, gets downloaded to your computer. You've never worried about how this happens because your browser manages the downloading for you. Maproom (talk) 20:12, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Reference assistance

Can someone help me with the references for this page, please? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ribose-seq Also if someone could have a look at getting it published ASAP, I'd greatly appreciate it! It's for a grad school project and our profs wanted it finalized and published by today. Thank you! Kmjohns (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Kmjohns: Unfortunately, because Wikipedia is a volunteer project, AfC reviewers pick and choose drafts they want to review, so there is no guarantee of having a draft reviewed by a certain date. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:23, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Do I need to fix the references at the bottom before it can be approved? Kmjohns (talk) 18:31, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I won't do your homework for you but the obvious ref things that jump out at me are |author= which in most (all?) cases should be |vauthors= because the format of the assigned values follows the Vancouver System. doi values do not belong in |pmid= so for those use |doi= (if not already present in the citation template). Do not put external link urls (http://...) in |title=.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:26, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

For what it's worth, the assignment is graded on content not reference formatting. I'm brand new to this and I have zero coding experience so I'm not entirely sure what you mean. If it's a quick fix could you have a go at it for me, please? Kmjohns (talk) 18:33, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay I think I fixed it, thank you for your help. Kmjohns (talk) 19:07, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Kmjohns: I sympathize, but we are volunteers and we explicitly do not have a deadline (WP:DEADLINE), and especially not one created by your professors. You should find a diplomatic way to let you professors know that this sort of thing can antagonize at least some of us. -Arch dude (talk) 01:49, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

'Read' replaced by 'Kenkan' in British English?

Hi, since yesterday I've noticed that after I'm logged in, the word 'Read' near the top of the page of an article etc., beside the words 'Edit source' and 'View history', changes to 'Kenkan'. My language setting is British English; when I change it to simply English or Canadian English it says 'Read'; only in the British English setting does it say 'Kenkan' (which makes no sense to me). Why is this? JACKINTHEBOX • ^TALK 18:58, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@JackintheBox: This is already being discussed at the Teahouse. It appears it's a bad translation that's been fixed, so the changes should appear sometime.

 Main discussion: Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Edit tab says siesie —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:14, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Removing tag

Can somebody please explain how paid editing tags can be removed? Ecars98 (talk) 21:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ecars98: It depends on the situation. In general, a paid editing flagged article has to be reviewed to make sure there are no problematic edits. The editor should also have disclosed their paid status, either on their user page or on the article talk page. Personally I prefer the talk page, to save hunting. Here's the disclosure info explaining what to do: Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. There's also information at the template page: Template:Paid contributions. Which article is it? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:21, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm guessing Razmig Hovaghimian. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:04, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

March 12

Do edit filter triggering edits get rejected completely, or do they get logged somewhere?

There is a template for warning users about triggering edit filters: {{uw-attempt}}. If an edit is rejected by an edit filter, does it get logged somewhere for others to see? I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 02:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@I.hate.spam.mail.here: Yes they do! They get logged in the abuse filter log. So for example, your abuse filter log is at Special:AbuseFilter/I.hate.spam.mail.here. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:35, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

HOwever do note that sometimes an edit will trigger a private filter which means only abuse filter managers and helper (and probably also admins) can view the contents of the edit caught. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:37, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

The correct link is https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=I.hate.spam.mail.here on "filter log" at top of Special:Contributions/I.hate.spam.mail.here. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:55, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Woops. I figured that it worked since the link turned blue. Looks like there isn't a way to link to it with brackets. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 04:07, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Log of my AfD nominations

Sorry - another dumb question from me.

I have found where there are logs of articles I have nominated for deletion via CSD or PROD. Is there something equivalent for AfD nominations?--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:45, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz: There's https://afdstats.toolforge.org/, it additionally shows your !votes too, but you can check "show nominations only". ––FormalDude talk 07:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)If you have it enabled, Twinkle keeps an XfD log at /XfD log in userspace. Since User:Gronk Oz/XfD log doesn't exist, that option is off. Hovever, there are other tools that can show the AfD's you participated in, such as this one (frequently used during RfA). Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both! I do use Twinkle, and I see that is what created the CSD and PROD logs, so I will look into that option. But honestly, the AFDSTATS is just what I was after for the moment. --Gronk Oz (talk) 07:23, 12 March 2022 (UTC)