Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy

"WP:CFDS" redirects here. For the criteria for speedy deletion, see WP:CFSD.

Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.

1. Determine which speedy criterion applies
2. Tag category page with {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
3. List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page

Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.

Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.

Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}} with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on G7.

To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:

• Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~

You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.

Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.

If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.

Speedy criteria

The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:

C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes

• Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
• Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
• Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This does not include changing the plurality of a noun when such the distinction between topic and set categories is uncertain.

C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices

• Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
• Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).

C2C: Consistency with established category tree names

Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names

• This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
• This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
• This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).

C2D: Consistency with main article's name

• Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
• This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
  • unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
  • uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
• This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
• Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.

C2E: Author request

• This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
• The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.

C2F: One eponymous article

• This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use {{subst:cfm-speedy}} (speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).

Admin instructions

When handling the listings:

1. Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
2. With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
3. Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.

If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.

Applying speedy criteria in full discussions

• A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
  • The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
  • No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
• If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.

Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here

If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.

If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.

Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:

* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

(The four ~ will sign and datestamp the entry automatically.)
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:

*REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:

* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}

A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 18:25, 5 March 2022 (UTC). Currently, there are 95 open requests ().

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Current requests

Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).

• Category:UKRI Future Leaders Fellowship to Category:UK Research and Innovation Future Leaders Fellowship – C2D, spell out since article is at UK Research and Innovation. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:22, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Filmed deaths in motorsports to Category:Filmed deaths in motorsport - WP:C2C/WP:C2D - established practice is that we use motorsport (singular) and not motorsports (plural) (for example Category:Lists of motorsport fatalities, or Motorsport) (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) SSSB (talk) 16:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Emergency sessions of the United Nations General Assembly to Category:Emergency special sessions of the United Nations General Assembly – C2D, article is at Emergency special session of the United Nations General Assembly. UnitedStatesian (talk) 07:16, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Sony Interactive Entertainment game studios to Category:PlayStation Studios – To reflect the usage of simply PlayStation Studios name. Ridwan97 (talk) 04:40, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Johnny Duncan albums to Category:Johnny Duncan (country singer) albums – C2D: consistency with parent article. Richard3120 (talk) 23:47, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Newa movement to Category:Nepal Bhasa movement – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 23:19, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Offshore companies in Bermuda to Category:Offshore companies of Bermuda – C2C, parent cats all use "companies of" UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Category:Offshore companies in the British Virgin Islands to Category:Offshore companies of the British Virgin Islands
  • Category:Offshore companies in the Cayman Islands to Category:Offshore companies of the Cayman Islands
  • Category:Offshore companies in Curaçao to Category:Offshore companies of Curaçao
  • Category:Offshore companies in the Marshall Islands to Category:Offshore companies of the Marshall Islands
• Category:Iranian Azerbaijan to Category:Azerbaijan (Iran), C2D per Azerbaijan (Iran). Marcocapelle (talk) 14:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Geography of Iranian Azerbaijan to Category:Geography of Azerbaijan (Iran)
• Category:History of Iranian Azerbaijan to Category:History of Azerbaijan (Iran)

• Category:CWKS Resovia to Category:Resovia – leftover from the old name of the article. Currently, all sections of Resovia are called Resovia + the name of the sport in parentheses. Atlantico 000 (talk) 13:55, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Category:CWKS Resovia players to Category:Resovia (football) players – leftover from the old name of the article. Atlantico 000 (talk) 13:55, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

  I have only tagged the two above categories now--Ymblanter (talk) 19:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Songs written by Ruth-Anne Cunningham to Category:Songs written by RuthAnne – C2D Richhoncho (talk) 13:47, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Category:12th-century Persian historians to Category:12th-century Iranian historians – C2C following Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_January_21#Medieval_Persian_people_by_occupation. – Fayenatic London 12:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Category:7th-century Persian physicians to Category:7th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:56, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:8th-century Persian physicians to Category:8th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:55, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:9th-century Persian physicians to Category:9th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:55, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:10th-century Persian physicians to Category:10th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:54, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:16th-century Persian physicians to Category:16th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:53, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:17th-century Persian physicians to Category:17th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:52, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:18th-century Persian physicians to Category:18th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:51, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:19th-century Persian physicians to Category:19th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:50, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:15th-century Persian physicians to Category:15th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:49, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Medieval Persian librarians to Category:Medieval Iranian librarians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:40, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Medieval Persian astrologers to Category:Medieval Iranian astrologers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:39, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
  • I have moved these back to the "Current" section following consensus to rename at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_January_21#Medieval_Persian_people_by_occupation. – Fayenatic London 12:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Morales administration personnel to Category:Evo Morales administration personnel. In line with sister category's name. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 09:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Buildings and structures in Prachinburi Province to Category:Buildings and structures in Prachinburi province – C2C – Fayenatic London 08:31, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Suicide in Later Jin (Five Dynasties)‎ to Category:Suicides in Later Jin (Five Dynasties)‎ – C2A, C2C Yinweiaiqing (talk) 13:50, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

  I have only tagged the category now--Ymblanter (talk) 07:32, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Polish SuperCup to Category:Polish Super Cup – Reason: C2D Atlantico 000 (talk) 15:32, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

• Category:List of invitees for AMPAS Membership to Category:Lists of invitees for AMPAS Membership – C2B: I believe this should be 'Lists' instead of 'List' DemonStalker (talk) 17:38, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose Despite the mistitiled articles, the cat's acronym should be spelled out, and the capitalization fixed. So: Category:Lists of invitees for Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences membership UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:27, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Opposed requests

• Category:West Coast Division (Gambia) to Category:West Coast Division (The Gambia) - C2D, per West Coast Division (The Gambia). StAnselm (talk) 05:40, 25 February 2022 (UTC)}

  Oppose speedy Only recently renamed and without discussion, and thus C2D doesn’t apply. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 12:54, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Songs written by Carmol Taylor to Category:Songs written by Taylor Pie – C2D Richhoncho (talk) 11:54, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

  Comment Are we sure that "Carmol Taylor" is the same person as "Taylor Pie". That article says she's "well known as Susan Taylor" and that's not the same name that the category currently uses. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:06, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

  Oppose Per Armbrust, I don't believe Carmol Taylor and Taylor Pie are the same person. Carmol Taylor appears to be male (three of the songs in the category are also mentioned on this page) and no longer alive; Taylor Pie aka Susan Taylor appears to be female and living. I think the category currently contains songs by two different songwriters and should not be renamed until we sort out which song was written by who. StartGrammarTime (talk) 23:52, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Oppose by nom. As it appears the premise for the nomination is wrong, there is no reason to continue discussing the proposal. I now oppose my own nomination! --Richhoncho (talk) 14:39, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

On hold pending other discussion

• Category:Lists of Monuments of National Importance to Category:Lists of Monuments of National Importance of India – C2B: per Monuments of National Importance of India/Category:Monuments of National Importance of India. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 18:51, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

• Hold pending RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:00, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

• Here are the 4 for the legacy teams: UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:02, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
  • NO BOTS Category:Wikipedians interested in San Diego Chargers to Category:Wikipedians interested in the San Diego Chargers
  • NO BOTS Category:Wikipedians interested in St. Louis Rams to Category:Wikipedians interested in the St. Louis Rams
  • NO BOTS Category:Wikipedians interested in Washington Redskins to Category:Wikipedians interested in the Washington Redskins
  • NO BOTS Category:Wikipedians interested in Washington Football Team to Category:Wikipedians interested in the Washington Football Team
    • Procedurally oppose these four until Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 February 7#Old sports teams (proposing merging to parent categories or deleting) is resolved. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:35, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Moved to full discussion

• Category:Left 4 Dead (series) to Category:Left 4 Dead (franchise) – C2B: Per main article Left 4 Dead (franchise). Childcat Category:Left 4 Dead (series) media files‎ should also be moved. ★Trekker (talk) 13:11, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

  Place this on hold, because the the main article's name is under discussion. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 20:54, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

  The RM was closed as no consensus, and thus C2D doesn't apply ("C2D does not apply if [...] there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result). Oppose speedy. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 21:48, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

  This doesn't apply here as the RM was about changing franchise to the base name, while this C2D is about a name which isn't attached to any article, to a name that is the article. Gonnym (talk) 09:44, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

• @Armbrust: it looks like User:Gonnym has a fair point here, don't you agree? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:36, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

• No, C2D says any discussion that resulted in no consensus, and that’s exactly how that discussion was closed. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 00:12, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

• Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:58, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Martin Methodist RedHawks baseball to Category:UT Southern FireHawks baseball – The university brands its athletic program as "UT Southern", paralleling the athletic branding of its sister campus in Martin. The athletic nickname also changed with the institutional name change.
  • • Category:Martin Methodist RedHawks baseball coaches to Category:UT Southern FireHawks baseball coaches
    • Category:Martin Methodist RedHawks baseball players to Category:UT Southern FireHawks baseball players
  • Category:Martin Methodist RedHawks men's basketball players to Category:UT Southern FireHawks men's basketball players
  • Category:Martin Methodist RedHawks men's soccer to Category:UT Southern FireHawks men's soccer
    • Category:Martin Methodist RedHawks men's soccer players to Category:UT Southern FireHawks men's soccer players
  • Category:Martin Methodist RedHawks women's soccer to Category:UT Southern FireHawks women's soccer
    • Category:Martin Methodist RedHawks women's soccer players to Category:UT Southern FireHawks women's soccer players

      Oppose speedy for the "Martin Methodist RedHawks", because UT Southern FireHawks is a redirect (and thus C2D doesn't apply). Regards, Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 20:50, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

      May be C2D for a different reason. The school's athletics website has moved to an address consistent with the new name, and the page header explicitly calls the team "UT Southern FireHawks". Per current C2D criteria, an official renaming of the subject qualifies. (An interesting sidelight: While the athletic program's "Quick Facts" page renders the nickname as "FireHawks", most stories on the site use "Firehawks".) — Dale Arnett (talk) 23:55, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

      No, C2D says "This applies only if the related page's current name", and there is no related page on Wikipedia. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 10:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

      I think this opposition is misplaced: nothing in C2D says a redirect does not qualify as a "page". UT Southern FireHawks is the corresponding page. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

      Martin Methodist RedHawks is also a page, and it redirects to the same section. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 22:40, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

      Except that Martin Methodist RedHawks is a {{R from former name}}, and UT Southern FireHawks is a {{R with possibilities}} (and there is a Draft:UT Southern FireHawks). UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:49, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

      I don't see the relevance which Rcat template is on the redirect page in relation to C2D. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 16:52, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

• @UnitedStatesian: are you planning to move this to full discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:33, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

• Yes, discussion opened at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 February 27#Category:Martin Methodist RedHawks baseball UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:02, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Homenmen AA Beirut players to Category:Homenmen Beirut players – C2D. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:25, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

  Oppose speedy Only recently renamed and without discussion, and thus C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:11, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

• At full discussion here. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:15, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Babylonian Epigraphs to Category:Babylonian epigraphs – C2A: MOS:CAPS. TSventon (talk) 05:08, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Egyptian Epigraphs to Category:Egyptian epigraphs – C2A: MOS:CAPS. ~~~~
  User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:35, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
  • User:1234qwer1234qwer4 your nomination is correct, but I suspect that both epigraphs categories could be deleted. From Epigraphy, an epigraph is any sort of text, and these categories mainly contain Amarna letters rather than all Babylonian or Egyptian texts. TSventon (talk) 05:36, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
  • See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 February 21#Category:Egyptian Epigraphs. TSventon (talk) 09:14, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Chuy Region to Category:Chüy Region - C2D, per main article at Chüy Region. Markussep ^Talk 15:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC
  • Category:Districts of Chuy Region to Category:Districts of Chüy Region
  • Category:Populated places in Chuy Region to Category:Populated places in Chüy Region
  • Category:People from Chuy Region to Category:People from Chüy Region

    I have only tagged the categories now. Since the article was moved recently and without discussion, the request should probably go through a full discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:40, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Moved to full discussion. Markussep ^Talk 19:55, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Columbus Register properties to Category:Columbus Register of Historic Properties – C2D: per Columbus Register of Historic Properties. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 15:42, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose as creator - less clear and completely unnecessary. ɱ (talk) 16:45, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

    Moved to full discussion. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:55, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Sport in Namur (city) to Category:Sport in Namur – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 20:36, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
• Category:People from Namur (city) to Category:People from Namur – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 20:36, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Sub-municipalities of Namur (city) to Category:Sub-municipalities of Namur – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 20:35, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Geography of Namur (city) to Category:Geography of Namur – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 20:35, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Buildings and structures in Namur (city) to Category:Buildings and structures in Namur – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 20:33, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Namur (city) to Category:Namur – C2D. - Namur Rathfelder (talk) 20:32, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

  Oppose Namur nominations. Rathfelder, Namur (city) citegories are not eligible for C2D speedy renaming to Namur as it is ambiguous with for example Namur Province. TSventon (talk) 12:36, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

  Perhaps we should rename the article? Rathfelder (talk) 12:39, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

  A requested move would be possible, but see Talk:Namur#Requested move 14 September 2015. TSventon (talk) 12:45, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

• Moved to full discussion Rathfelder (talk) 14:30, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Seljuq generals to Category:Seljuk generals

• Category:Seljuq government officials to Category:Seljuk government officials
• Category:Seljuq scholars to Category:Seljuk scholars
• Oppose speedy on these 3 subcats: shouldn't the new cats all have "Empire" to qualify for C2C/C2D viz. Category:Seljuk Empire/Seljuk Empire? UnitedStatesian (talk) 06:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Government of the Kingdom of the Netherlands to Category:Council of Ministers of the Kingdom of the Netherlands – C2D. Heanor (talk) 14:37, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

• Merge to Category:Ministers plenipotentiary (Netherlands) per WP:OVERLAPCAT. But that is not speediable of course. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:14, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:33, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Sparkle GMA Artist Center to Category:Sparkle (talent agency) – C2D: Per Sparkle (talent agency) Chompy Ace 04:40, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose speedy procedure; as this was a recent move without discussion, a full CFD is required. – Fayenatic London 11:37, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
    • Moved to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 February 14#Sparkle GMA Artist Center. Chompy Ace 21:53, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Yale University 2000s(Decade) alumni to Category:Yale University 2000s(decade) alumni – C2A: Uncapitalize "decade" MrMeAndMrMe_{Contributions} 19:13, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Yale University 1900s(Decade) alumni to Category:Yale University 1900s(decade) alumni – C2A: Uncapitalize "decade" MrMeAndMrMe_{Contributions} 19:12, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Yale University 1800s(Decade) alumni to Category:Yale University 1800s(decade) alumni – C2A: Uncapitalize "decade" MrMeAndMrMe_{Contributions} 19:11, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Decade should be omitted altogether: cf Category:1800s, Category:1800s novels etc. We have Category:19th century for the century. Oculi (talk) 20:48, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
  • On further thoughts the idea of splitting alumni by decade is a bad one (no precedents that I can find) and these should be deleted/upmerged along with the other decade ones. Oculi (talk) 23:49, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose all Yale cats and delete / upmerge – these should be deleted and upmerged; no consensus to split educational alumni by decades (makes it unnecessarily difficult to group similar people) SportsGuy789 (talk) 06:12, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Upmerge per above. Categorizing by decade seems like unneeded overcategorization. --Kinu ^t/_c 04:26, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:35, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Films based on theme-park attractions to Category:Films based on theme park attractions – C2A: "theme park" should not be hyphenated. -- 2pou (talk) 21:30, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose Main article is at Amusement park, cat should be Category:Films based on amusement park attractions. UnitedStatesian (talk) 00:06, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
    • I have no objection to this alternate proposal. Does it still qualify for a speedy rename, or does it now need a full CfD nom? -2pou (talk) 17:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

      It is safer to go to a full discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:42, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

      Moved to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 January 24#Category:Films based on theme-park attractions. -2pou (talk) 20:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Persian poets to Category:Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 12:03, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:20th-century Persian poets to Category:20th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 12:02, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:19th-century Persian poets to Category:19th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 12:01, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:18th-century Persian painters to Category:18th-century Iranian painters – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 12:01, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:17th-century Persian poets to Category:17th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 12:00, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:15th-century Persian writers to Category:15th-century Iranian writers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:57, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:14th-century Persian writers to Category:14th-century Iranian writers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:57, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:16th-century Persian poets to Category:16th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:48, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:15th-century Persian poets to Category:15th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:47, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:14th-century Persian poets to Category:14th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:47, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:13th-century Persian poets to Category:13th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:46, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:12th-century Persian poets to Category:12th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:46, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Medieval Persian poets to Category:3th-century Iranian writers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:45, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:13th-century Persian writers to Category:3th-century Iranian writers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:45, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:12th-century Persian writers to Category:12th-century Iranian writers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:44, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:11th-century Persian poets to Category:11th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:43, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:11th-century Persian writers to Category:11th-century Iranian writers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:43, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:10th-century Persian poets to Category:10th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:42, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:10th-century Persian writers to Category:10th-century Iranian writers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:42, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
• Category:Medieval Persian writers to Category:Medieval Iranian writers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:41, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

  These look to me like they deserve discussion. Iran mostly didn't exist as such in the times of most of these cat contents, and "Persian" is a conventional way to refer to the culture and people of the region in older times. Dicklyon (talk) 01:33, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

  We have just renamed a whole load of other mediaeval Persian/Iranian categories speedily, on the advice of @HistoryofIran:. Could we do these speedily and then have a wider discussion if necessary, not just confined to these categories? Otherwise we have a mess. Rathfelder (talk) 14:44, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Yep. Sorry, but that is inaccurate. Scholars routinely use the word Iran(ian) when talking about the country and its people during those centuries. The name of Iran was in usage of at least as early as 224 when the Sasanian Empire was founded, and medieval native writers often use the name Iran as well. "Persian" is not a conventional way to refer to the culture and people at all, since a vast amount of its inhabitants were not of Persian stock, but part of other Iranian groups, such as the Daylamites, Parthians etc. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:44, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Just a comment that Category:16th-century Persian mathematicians has been emptied. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:15, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

These categories have been moved see here and here within the 48 hr period by User:JJMC89 bot III. Cinderella157 (talk) 05:33, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

• Full discussion is in order, since nobody can point to any consensus or prior discussion about these changes. Dicklyon (talk) 16:37, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
• I'm no expert on the subject, but my impression is that Persia has been the more common term used up to at least 1935, when Reza Shah issued a declaration to change it (which was apparently reversed to some extent in 1959). The article about Hafez calls him a Persian poet, not an Iranian one. The same is true for Ferdowsi and Omar Khayyam. There's a whole article about the Name of Iran, and it's also discussed in the lead section of the Iran article, and there's a whole section called "Replacement of Persia with Iran" in the Reza Shah article. It doesn't seem entirely uncontroversial. I don't really know whether scholars have typically been applying the name change retroactively. (It's true that the other name did also exist before 1935.) —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:45, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Your impression about the 1935 bit completely correct, that was the case back then. However, nowadays, English scholarship mostly use the term 'Iran(ian)' when referring to the country pre-1925 as its more accurate. As for Hafez etc, that's because it was certain that they were of actual Persian stock, something which can sometimes be hard to discern since primary sources often mixed Persians up with other Iranian groups. The thing is however, a lot of historical Iranian figures, be it writers, generals (Asfar ibn Shiruya, Surena), or rulers (Parthian Empire, Buyid dynasty), were of Iranian, but certainly not Persian stock. Referring all those figures as 'Persian' would be like, er, calling a Kurd or Pashtun for a Persian. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:02, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

• Full discussion is in order. We would be governed by usage in independent English language sources. If Iran is the predominant contemporary usage, not just for present day Iran but for the region in historical contexts (other than ancient Persia, then we would probably not be seeing the result we do in this n-gram. Cinderella157 (talk) 05:15, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Not really the best comparison, considering "Persian" refers to the language as well. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:04, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

• Certainly needs a full discussion. Especially in the case of the literary figures, where "Persian" refers to the language not the nationality - the first one I look at is Bangladeshi - Muhammad Faizullah. Please someone kindly ping me when the discussion opens. Johnbod (talk) 05:08, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

• For writers, a rename to "Persian-language" might be an alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

• @Rathfelder: are you planning to move this to full discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 09:56, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

• Part of the above categories have now been nominated for full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Persian poets to Category:Iranian poets – The category currently includes non-Iranian poets who has written in Persian and seemingly refers to Persian language poets, the corresponding page in Persian Wikipedia also categorizes them as Persian language poets. (examples of the said poets, includes: Abdul Rahim Khan-i-Khanan, Indian, Mir Ali Sher Qaune Thattvi, Indian, Hidir Lutfi, Turkish, Gulrukhsor Safieva, Tajikistani.)Khenamothara (talk) 07:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

• Category:Resovia Rzeszów coaches to Category:Resovia (volleyball) coaches – C2A: Pleonasm, same reason as Category:Resovia (volleyball) players. Maister1921 (talk) 14:27, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

  Oppose – It would make more sense as Category:Resovia volleyball coaches; same with the other. And C2A doesn't seem like a plausible reason. Probably a discussion is in order. Dicklyon (talk) 16:17, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

  @Dicklyon: would you object to C2D per Resovia (volleyball)? – Fayenatic London 08:39, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

  Yes, still object. This category does not have a main article, so C2D does not apply. Why not go with Category:Resovia volleyball coaches and Category:Resovia volleyball players? Dicklyon (talk) 16:26, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

  C2D states "This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team" and therefore it does indeed also apply to coaches, managers etc. – Fayenatic London 19:09, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

  Ah, yes. In that case, Coaches for Resovia (volleyball) and Players for Resovia (volleyball) would seem appropriate. I don't think the parenthetical disambiguator in the middle of a title is a good thing (even if you find precedent for it). Dicklyon (talk) 20:14, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

  Now at full discussion. – Fayenatic London 10:39, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

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