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Template:ACArt created[edit]

I have created Template:ACArt, a visual arts specific version of the general Template:Authority Control. I have implemented it at Jan van Eyck as a demonstration: it reduces the clutter of 36 or so AC links to a much more reasonable 15, keeping the arts-specific ones (like RKD or Balat) and the most useful general ones for enwiki (Worldcat, LoC, ...), but removing the less interesting ones (non-English ones simply repeating the biographic basics, or things like Musicbrainz). The selection of what to include and what to exclude may need refinement, this is done in Module:ACArt (a spin-off of Module:Authority control).

All you need to do is replace, at the bottom of an article, {{Authority control}} with {{ACArt}}, et voilà! Fram (talk) 10:08, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have now replaced this template with a new version, not with its own module but as a wrapper with suppression of the unwanted links.[1]

  • Advantages: all improvements to the main template are automatically used in the ACArt template as well, no separate maintenance and module needed.
  • Disadvantages:
    • In Preview, you get a long list of very ugly error messages caused by the link suppression, which are unwanted for this wrapper
    • When a new ID is added to the main template, it will need to get suppressed at the ACArt template.

For now, this looks to me like the better solution compared to a separate template. If we continue to go this route, with more separate wrappers for separate groups, it may be useful to think of yet another solution, where you e.g. have again one template, with one "switch" parameter, like {{Template:Authority control|type:Art}}. That would again put all maintenance in one spot, but may make for a very heavy to process template.

Other solutions and improvements welcome of course! Fram (talk) 15:05, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done — preview-warning removed for suppressed params.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  13:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Fram (talk) 13:46, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]


RfC about the look of the template started[edit]

I've started Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RfC: make Template:Authority control more reader-friendly. Fram (talk) 10:19, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


User:UBX/Authority control[edit]

{{AC}}This user uses the authority control template and the data it provides.

I created the userbox {{User:UBX/Authority control}} for self-identifying as an AC user. This could be helpful in future discussions as a way of finding & pinging interested parties who may not check their watchlist regularly. Tom.Reding (talk) 05:50, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]


When and where to use?[edit]

Is there a relevant guideline considering when and where to place the Authority control template? I know it was added to biography articles following RfC support of Wikipedia:Authority control integration proposal, but the current information page doesn't say whether it is actually recommended to use the template on non-biographies, only that authority control data covers them. --Paul_012 (talk) 03:24, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm quite curious about this myself, AC feels like a lot of additional metadata to include on each page, and of dubious utility to most readers. Almost feels like something that should be a separate tab akin to the Talk page for each article. --MKV (talk) 16:06, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I also wonder about this, it is being added to articles for no particular reason. It clutters up already cluttered article footers, and it seems that in most cases it doesn't add any value. ··gracefool 💬 09:51, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Lua error for a QID in the draft namespace[edit]

This code had been working in the draft namespace until the last hour or so.

{{authority control|QID=Q110980377}}

Now I am see this error & backtrace:

Lua error: bad argument #1 to 'getEntityIdForTitle' (string expected, got nil).

Backtrace:

[C]: in function "error"
libraryUtil.lua:11: in function "checkType"
mw.wikibase.lua:144: ?
(tail call): ?
Module:Authority_control:1259: in function "chunk"
mw.lua:525: ?
[C]: ?

Any insights? Peaceray (talk) 00:14, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This was caused by en error on a different module (Module:ResolveEntityId) which has now been reverted. Thanks for reporting — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:34, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request – add identifiers BNMM authority ID (P3788) for Argentina, and HelveticArchives ID (P1255) for Switzerland[edit]

Hello, I would like to request the addition of these two identifiers to the National Libraries section of the Authority control template. Both identifiers link to their respective national library's catalogues. Please advise, thank you. Kind regards, Spinster300 (talk) 20:27, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone have an opinion on these identifiers? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:11, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
HelveticArchives ID (P1255) Oppose: The official Swiss national library 'SZ' VIAF component uses the 'GND' identifier of the German national library. That’s why there is no (and will be no) Swiss national library in authority control. I don’t know what P1255 is – but not the Swiss national library 'SZ' VIAF component. Also, P1255 is only used by 402 Wikidata items (see https://w.wiki/4xyb ). — Luamssuk (talk) 19:03, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
BNMM authority ID (P3788) Agree: it is the official 'ARBABN' VIAF component used by the Argentinian national library. — Luamssuk (talk) 19:03, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If someone would like to sandbox the code for P3788 then I will deploy? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:44, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Added to sandbox under National library "Argentina". Test below.
— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:01, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary category?[edit]

Does anyone think that Category:Articles with multiple identifiers is a useful tracking category. Having multiple identifiers is the norm, and we have all the separate categories like Category:AC with 27 elements anyway — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:14, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@MSGJ: I've reworded the category description to make its purpose more clear.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  13:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, that makes a lot more sense :) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:57, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge talk pages[edit]

I have merged Wikipedia talk:Authority control into this page so discussion is centralised (proposed on that page a few days ago without comment). That leaves a couple of archives: Wikipedia talk:Authority control/Archive 1 and Wikipedia talk:Authority control/Archive 2 which I am not sure what to do with. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:59, 21 March 2022 (UTC) ]][reply]

Link to PDF[edit]

Currently the identifier for USCG does not link anywhere. I would like to link it to the PDF of the catalogue, but unfortunately there are hundreds of other lighthouses described in that document so I would still need to include the identifier. Which of the following works best? Or is it best not to link to the PDF? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:27, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  1. USCG (1-21400) - CURRENT VERSION WITHOUT LINK
  2. USCG (1-21400)
  3. USCG: 1-21400
  4. USCG (1-21400)
So basically you are not adding an actual identifier (now or in the future), you are just indicating that the USCG has an identifier which the reader will have to search for themselves? I would just remove it altogether in that case. Fram (talk) 07:32, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
When I say "identifier" I am talking about the unique number, i.e. 1-21400. What do you mean by identifier? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:25, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, that looked like a pointer to a list of numbers (1 to 21400), and the pdg also doesn't have a "1-21400" listed, but it does have the ID "21400" listed. Rather confusing. Fram (talk) 11:55, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That PDF is volume 1 of the light list, which is what the "1" stands for. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:02, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unless there are any further comments I am veering towards style number 4 on the list above. Code on sandbox, example below — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:08, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:33, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Marine Traffic[edit]

Reliable source for lighthouses with unique identifiers. Propose adding MarineTraffic Lighthouse ID (P3601) to authority control. Example below.

— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:29, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

plus Added — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Marina Militare[edit]

Proposing to add identifiers for Italian Navy Lighthouses and Beacons ID (P3863). Reliable and official source of information for lighthouses in Italy. Would like to move this identifier out of the infobox and into the AC template. Example below, labelled as "Italy".

— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:46, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request – add Portuguese National Library ID (P1005), CONOR.SI ID (P1280), and SNK ID (P9807) to National Libraries[edit]

Hello Martin, I would like to request the addition of the Portuguese National Library ID (P1005) for Portugal, the CONOR.SI ID (P1280) for Slovenia, and the SNK ID (P9807) for Slovakia. All three of these identifiers link to their respective library's catalogue, as showcased in this example of director Peter Jackson for Portugal and Slovenia; and of Czech writer Karel Havlíček Borovský for Slovakia. Thank you! Kind regards, Spinster300 (talk) 18:21, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You don't need to convince me, you need to convince other editors that these would be valuable additions for the English Wikipedia. Does anyone have any comments on these identifiers? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:03, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies, Martin. I will wait for the community to voice their thoughts. Kind regards, Spinster300 (talk) 14:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Items assigned to "parameters different on Wikidata" category when they are almost the same[edit]

I have been working on pages in the category Category:Pages using authority control with parameters different on Wikidata and noticed that a number of them point to the same final location but are recorded slightly differently. For example at Lisa Goldberg (since fixed but you can look at the history) the authority control had BNF=cb12392245t but Wikidata had BNF=12392245t which was causing 2 items to appear in the Authority Control on enwiki. My thoughts about options for dealing with this are

  • Someone regularly running AWB to change the value at BNF in enwiki to remove the prefix.
  • A bot to make the same change automagically.
  • A change to the way that items are added to categories to take into account changes like this.

I like the bot approach the best myself...

I realise that this might seem like a small thing but when editing items in Category:Pages using authority control with parameters all matching Wikidata‎ I can just remove the items but when working with Category:Pages using authority control with parameters different on Wikidata I have to manually scan each item to check if it is a problem.

Apologies if this has been discussed before. Gusfriend (talk) 10:24, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was just editing Martha Siegel which had ISNI=0000000063681764 and it wasn't matching ISNI=0000 0000 6368 1764 in wikidata which is the same thing as with BNF above. Gusfriend (talk) 11:25, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How is the module supposed to know that cb12392245t ≈ 12392245t? Are the first two characters always ignored if they are letters? The second example of 0000000063681764 ≈ 0000 0000 6368 1764 seems easier to detect, but we would have to consider whether spaces should be ignored in every identifier or just that one — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:01, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Having worked through some more examples I think that, provided the implementation does not make it onerous, would be to work on it at the identifier level. Apart from anything else some are easy to compare like the ISNI and some would be difficult like the LCCN where a record can look like "n/82/207755" in enwiki and "n82207756" in Wikidata. In terms of the BNF is there some way that we can use either the URL match pattern in Wikidata to help or the format constraint which this case says "8 or 9 digits followed by a check-digit or letter, do not include the initial 'cb' (English)"?
Having said that, I would totally understand if it is too complicated / too much effort for the reward to do. Thanks. Gusfriend (talk) 22:46, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the pre-normalization and post-normalization article versions, the links are the same, i.e. they’re normalized by the module, not by BNF through URL redirects. Therefore it’s definitely possible for the module to remove the tracking category, although it may be complicated (I don’t know the module in that much detail). —Tacsipacsi (talk) 22:41, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Error in template when using one of the VcBA ID formats in Wikidata[edit]

I just added an item to the Vatican Library VcBA ID in Wikidata using the form including an underscore because that is how it appeared in VIAF but the Authority control template gave me an error as it said that the entry was incorrect until I replaced the underscore by a slash (i.e. /). It is simple enough to change it to the required format but I wanted to let people know. Gusfriend (talk) 09:19, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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