User talk:Daranios

Envoyer

Do you have this magazine? I think this is saying it is a review for the game accessory The Sea Devils (Dungeons & Dragons), is that about right?: [1] BOZ (talk) 03:29, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello BOZ! I am afraid this one is not among the meager four Envoyer issues I own. Die Teufel der See is indeed the German translation of The Sea Devils. The only thing about the rpggeek entry is that it says review for "Trilogie für Die Teufel der See " = triology for The Sea Devils. The three adventures which came out for that accessory were indeed translated into German as Flut des Verderbens (Evil Tides), Nacht der Haie (Night of the Shark) and Fluch aus der Tiefe (Sea of Blood) respectively. So presumably the review is about those three adventures. Daranios (talk) 12:37, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

You know, I kind of suspected it was something like that since it did say Trilogie, but I had forgotten how that adventure line came to be. I started working on User:BOZ/Envoyer yesterday. :) I'm not adding any non-English reviews myself, but I created this page (and several others) for people who are better at translating than me. BOZ (talk) 14:50, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Nice! I have Envoyers 41, 76, 81, 84 available. In case you need any help with those, just let me know. Daranios (talk) 20:15, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good! :) I haven't looked yet to see what is in those issues, but when I do then I will let you know. :) It looks like #41 would be from the year 2000 so there is likely some D&D 3E coverage around that time or soon after. BOZ (talk) 20:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

I took a peek at #41 on RPGgeek but that is one of the pages where the contents are not listed for that issue[2] - some do, and some don't. #76 is the same[3] as is #81[4] and #84[5] unfortunately, so I don't have a clue as to what was reviewed in those. BOZ (talk) 21:33, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

I can add what's in there to your list if you like. Daranios (talk) 22:16, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

OK, you can add it here and I will copy it over. :) BOZ (talk) 22:57, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Envoyer #41: Der Norden (The North: Guide to the Savage Frontier), Last Rites (Call of Cthulhu), Netz der Mörder, Von Notmark nach Elenvina - Das Aventurisch Kartenwerk 2: Mittelaventurien, Zwischen Steineiche und Salzarele - Das Herzogtum Engasal, Man & Machine: Cyberware, Encyclopaedia Vampirica, Krieg der Engel

Envoyer #76: Arcane Codex, D&D Monster Set (3. Edition) (Monster Manual 3rd edition), Mumien - Die Widergeburt (Mummy: The Resurrection), Herr Der Ringe - Die zwei Türme (Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game: The Two Towers), Reign of Fire (video game); short reviews: The First (comics) 1+2, Atalante (comic), Die Geißel der Götter 1+2, Chobits 1, XCT 1+2, Island 2, Crossgen Digest 6, Raubtiere III 10+11, Der Skorpion 2 - Das Geheimnis des Papstes, Das Kristallschwert 3-5, Das dritte Testament - Lukas oder Der Atem des Stiers, Die großen Museen Europas (Modern Games), Leonardo da Vinci - Die Malerei (Modern Games), Private Eye (role-playing game)

Envoyer #81: Celtos, Ravenloft: Gesichter des Schreckens, Earthdawn: Der Blutwald (The Blood Wood), Die Hohen (Exalted), Enter the Matrix; System comparison: MERS (MERP), Lord of the Rings Roleplaying Game

Envoyer #84: Dragons of the Sixth World, Das Schurken-Handbuch (The Quintessential Rogue), Ork!, Vampires aus der Alten Welt: Europa (Dark Ages: Europe), HeroQuest/Hero Wars; Short reviews of mobile games: Nedime - die Tochter des Kalifen, Geheimnis der Zyklopen, Sumpf des Verderbens, Unter Piraten, Popcorn, Plüsch & Petticoats

Hey, BOZ, I'm done with the content of those issues. If you have any questions, let me know. Daranios (talk) 22:36, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

OK, thanks! :) I'd say of those, The North: Guide to the Savage Frontier needs something from the review added the most if you are up for that! :) I see you added that to the "reviews" section of the page a while ago. :) BOZ (talk) 23:17, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Also Ork! The Roleplaying Game, in case anyone tries to AFD it again. :) BOZ (talk) 23:19, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Ethan Skemp

Do you see anything that could help with Ethan Skemp which is at PROD? BOZ (talk) 20:51, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello BOZ! Sorry, my search for Ethan Skemp came up empty. My suggestion would be to redirect him to Werewolf: The Forsaken, which seem according to the article to be his most major contribution. (I have added him there as designer, he was missing for some reason.) And merge the one secondary sourced sentence to Lichdom: Battlemage. What do you think? Daranios (talk) 08:25, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

ENnie Awards

ENnie Awards was just PRODded and unPRODded - I will see what else I can find for that one. BOZ (talk) 17:58, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Monster lists

Hi there! :) If you've been keeping up at all with my massive list of deleted/redirected D&D articles, I am letting you know that I am finally mostly done constructing it. There are a few more checks that I want to do with it, so either next week or the week after I will finally be moving it into project space so all users can properly benefit from it. :)

Meanwhile, I am letting you know that while I understand that the majority of those former articles are not coming back any time soon, I do have plans for a few of them. Based on your incredible work with the 2nd edition monster list, I am planning to work on the 1st edition monster list to get it restored. Once I am done with the finishing touches on my deletions list, I will move the 1st edition monster list to draft space, and copy your sources as appropriate to each of the monsters in the list. I will also be checking each of the monsters in my list to see if they have independent sources in the redirected article, and if so copy those onto the monster list, and vice versa copy sources from the monster list to the redirected article - I saw you doing this here and there on the redirected articles, but I want to cover every base I can.  :) (For a perfect example of what we can do, see how Githyanki was deleted at AFD, I requested it to be restored, added a source and redirected it again, and then you added another source and redirected it again.)

As I do this, I am also going to see what deleted articles have multiple sources on the 2nd edition list, and try to get those articles into draft space so they can be worked on. Once the 1st edition list is complete and ready to be moved into article space, I'm going to see what we can do about getting the OD&D, BD&D, 3E, 3.5, 4E, and 5E lists back! :) We may even have the opportunity to get some of the monster articles back into article space as well, we will see. One thing at a time! BOZ (talk) 18:03, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey BOZ, thanks for keeping me updated and thanks for the enormous compilation work on the deleted articles! All the best with the 1st edition monster list. and all the other plans. If you happen upon any sources I have not included in my 2nd edition one, please let me know. In the long term I wonder if someone will hold duplication of (potentially non-edition-specific) in those lists against us, but we will see, and having just the 2nd edition one has always been a bit weird. :-) Daranios (talk) 08:10, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@BOZ: Oh, I forgot: Do you have any plans with regard to Monsters in Dungeons & Dragons? My idea was to wait a few more days and then restore the removed content. And if I can motivate myself trim it. But there was a 1st edition monster list, that would take in a portion of the removed content... Daranios (talk) 12:56, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I definitely want to restore some of that removed content, as it appears we had consensus and the person who removed it did not challenge the idea much. I will take a look maybe later today. BOZ (talk) 13:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

I have a lot less time to work on monsters this week than I expected I would, but still I will be able to make enough progress today on the current phase of my project that I should be able to finish it with no problem next week and move on to working on monsters. :) BOZ (talk) 16:44, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@BOZ: Great, whenever fit's you schedule. :-) Daranios (talk) 18:00, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh, one more thing! Have you looked here to make sure that the 2E list is using all the independent sources that were used in the 1E list? BOZ (talk) 19:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@BOZ: Ah, thanks, actually I didn't and will do now. I don't think there's a lot of new stuff, but I'd want to check it anyway. I had added checking monster redirects in general to the to-do list "sources", but that'll more or less be the last point, meaning it will be incredibly far in the future. :-) Daranios (talk) 08:31, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm getting ready to start working on this today. :) As a first step before I get into comparing sources from the lists and the redirected articles, I moved Lycanthrope and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hag_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)&oldid=1078855315 Hag back from draft into article space, and I plan to update some infoboxes on redirected articles today. :) BOZ (talk) 18:21, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

• @BOZ: Very nice, I see you have been busy already :-)! Ahm, did you still plan on restoring/working on Monsters in Dungeons & Dragons, too? I am not too keen on taking that up... Daranios (talk) 12:01, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, but not just yet. Also see the Black Gate source I added to rust monster[6] - may or may not be useful in general. BOZ (talk) 15:20, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Good find, though here I have suggestions for improvement: I am not sure what the Black Gate is, but might be a blog. For the rust monster and the bulette "based on a plastic toy from Hong Kong" is attested in The Ashgate Encyclopedia as an uncontentious source. But the Black Gate also led me to the original post by Tony DiTerlizzi, where the owlbear, umber hulk and carrion crawler are also attested, complete with pictures, and which in turn leads back to posts by Tim Kask. Maybe these are useful? Daranios (talk) 16:16, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

I would think so, and I'm glad you found them. :) Black Gate is a magazine, formerly in print but now online. BOZ (talk) 16:36, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

O cool, if that's a magazine than that's great! Daranios (talk) 11:48, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

OK, it has taken a lot longer than I expected to add/fix infoboxes to all the monster articles! :o But on the bright side, at the rate I've been moving, I should be able to finish that when I come back to it on Monday, which gives me some part of that day and all of Tuesday to finally do some work on the actual lists and getting more sources on the monster articles like you did with Githzerai today. :) BOZ (talk) 21:35, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

I finally finished the infoboxes! I had no idea there were that many that needed updates, corrections, or to be added... but at least all of the redirected articles are in good shape to go if we ever find the sources for them. :) I have one hour now to start mining the articles for sources to add to the monster list, so I will get started on that now! BOZ (talk) 20:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@BOZ: Great, thanks a lot for all the additions! Daranios (talk) 10:01, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm just getting warmed up. :) BOZ (talk) 10:14, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

OK, I've been adding a lot today, and I still have a few hours to work on it, so when you get a chance go ahead and take a long look - toss or condense anything I've added that you think doesn't belong there. :) I will most likely be able to finish up this part tomorrow. BOZ (talk) 18:59, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

And there you have it, I'm done copying sources from the (redirected) articles to the list, so now with the rest of my time for today I'm going to reverse that and copy sources from the list to the articles wherever the sources are not already there. :) With any luck, if you have sources on the list for articles that have been deleted, I can get those restored as redirects to the list so that when/if we get enough sources we can bring them back one day! BOZ (talk) 14:50, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

OK, I made some good progress today! :) I still have a long way to go, but I will save that work for next week and possibly the week after that. I am feeling much better overall about the sourcing situation on the redirected monsters, and the few that we have left as articles. One thing I am pleasantly surprised about is the available sourcing for the ones based directly on legendary creatures - I saw all the time people in AFDs previously saying how those would never be notable compared to the original D&D creations, well look now and here we go, there is potential. :) I decided to not yet pursue any undeletions so that I could focus on sourcing the articles better, but I am keeping my options open on that. BOZ (talk) 22:03, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@BOZ: Indeed, and great work overall! Thanks a lot! Daranios (talk) 07:08, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping up with this! I'll be back at adding the sources to the redirected articles in a few hours. :) BOZ (talk) 11:28, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

I believe I will be able to finish this part up today. :) BOZ (talk) 11:11, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

And so I have finished that part! One more thing I want to do next is to go over that list one more time and request undeletion for items which have sources - not sure how many I will get success with, but here's to trying. ;) I doubt that will take me all day, so after that the next step is the big one - getting the 1E list into draft space so we can work on it. :) BOZ (talk) 15:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I asked for two to be undeleted and moved to drafts, and I got two! Centaur is at Draft:Centaur (Dungeons & Dragons) and Orc is at Draft:Orc (Dungeons & Dragons). I added the sources from the list to both of them that were not already on there, but if there is anything else you want to do with them, we have some time. :) BOZ (talk) 19:09, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

So there are those two drafts, and I was able to send the 1E creature list to draft as well - I'm going to spend some time working on that one tomorrow, so please allow me the time to work on it and then when I am done go ahead and get to work on it however you like. :) BOZ (talk) 21:44, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

OK, I am all done copying information and citations to the 1E monster list! Feel free to work your magic there, and some time next week I will ask the closing admin if it is ready to move back to article space. :) In the meanwhile, I will see if I can get the OD&D and BD&D lists restored to draft space so that I can start working on those as well! :) BOZ (talk) 16:58, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Great work! I hope this get's approved. Currently I wouldn't want to spend more time at the other monster lists, but rather get back to expanding the 2nd edition list more as soon as I can find the time (also taken up by other corners of interest :-). Daranios (talk) 19:42, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough! For now, I will work on the other lists in draft space and keep you updated on my progress, but I am find with keeping just the 2E list for now. BOZ (talk) 21:17, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Just keeping you informed as I go! So the 1st edition list had a total of 4 independent sources out of a total of 75 sources when the AFD was closed as redirect, which is probably why it wasn't deleted instead - it had a total of 186 sources when I was done last week, which means I probably copied more than 100 independent sources from the 2nd edition list! I just worked on the OD&D list this morning at Draft:List of Dungeons & Dragons monsters (1974–76), which had a grand total of 2 citations at the time of its deletion[7] and now has 45 sources, almost all of them independent. :) I will start working on the Basic D&D list shortly, which I may or may not finish today. BOZ (talk) 17:50, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Indeed a lot of progress :-)! Still, I hope the various sources on individual monsters will be enough to overcome the other criticisms. Did you want me to look into anything specific with the lists other than my pet 2nd edition one? Daranios (talk) 19:55, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

No, you can keep doing as you have been, for now. Once I have gone through all of these lists (I'm about halfway done, I think) then I will ask the closing admin on the 1st edition list if my progress is enough to overturn the AFD outcome. If that can be resolved easily enough, then I will look at bringing the others out of drafts. I have finished the Basic D&D monsters list at Draft:List of Dungeons & Dragons monsters (1977–99), which was made a lot easier because I could just copy most of what I did from the original D&D monsters list, and the results were similar but a little better. :) I will spend the next couple of hours starting the 3.0 list and then move on to the 3.5, 4th, and 5th the rest of this week and starting next week. I think if there is one thing we need to really make these properly "viable" is a source that goes "monsters in this edition were..." and that should weaken that particular criticism, if we can find one. BOZ (talk) 20:18, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I tackled 3rd edition today! For the 3.0 list, its only references were 4 primary sources, and now Draft:List of Dungeons & Dragons 3rd edition monsters has 113. :) For the 3.5 list, it had no references at all, but now Draft:List of Dungeons & Dragons 3.5 edition monsters has 95. :) Let's see how far I can get on the 4E and 5E lists by the end of tomorrow, but most likely I think I will be finishing up on these lists next week! BOZ (talk) 20:56, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

I finished Draft:List of Dungeons & Dragons 4th edition monsters earlier today, which started with 1 primary source and now has 98. :) I'm going to see how far I get with the 5E list - note that with the current version of Draft:List of Dungeons & Dragons 5th edition monsters before I get going[8] has 22 sources, several of which actually are independent - I don't know what can be extracted from those sources, but you never know. :) Here we go, let's see if I can finish before the end of day. :) BOZ (talk) 19:04, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

All done with 5E! I got up to 126 sources! :o So for next week, well, I will not be working on monster lists. LOL BOZ (talk) 22:01, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Wow, that was really an amazing amount of work in a short time! Daranios (talk) 07:18, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Super Genius Games

Do you see anything more for Super Genius Games? BOZ (talk) 13:24, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@BOZ: I am afraid I did not see anything. Would it make sense to merge that somewhere? To List of role-playing game publishers, or, as that is structured differently, maybe rather to R. Hyrum Savage? Daranios (talk) 14:33, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

I will probably wind up redirecting it if nothing else turns up. BOZ (talk) 15:50, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Scrat

Hey Daranois, I think youre good at finding sources. Do you think you can hunt so we can add at them at the article soon. Was just wondering if this can notable to have its own page and hoping it to survive when someone attempted to delete. Thanks. 2001:4455:30B:6C00:CCFA:EE4F:6C7:789B (talk) 11:46, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Sure, we can have a look. I believe you can find a lot yourself, too: The notability notice at the top provides you with links where one can look for sources. I am usually using Google scholar and Google books, sometimes JSTOR. In this specific case it turns out that Scrat can be a lot of other things to, so I would look for "Scrat" "Ice Age" instead. E.g. in this source has analysis/commentary about Scrat and about Scratte, which could be used to get back the recently removed section on Scratte and improve it with analysis. This book has a one-page commentary which both rates Scrat ("the most popular charater" in the Ice Age franchise) and talks about the history/relationship of its short films relative to the main story. What do you think? Daranios (talk) 07:23, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

As long as the sources are helpful for the article to be improved. Im sharing your findings to the person who possibly want to improve the page. Thanks! 2001:4455:30B:6C00:E953:90A4:A013:75B2 (talk) 08:03, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Maléfices

I don't know if there are any sources for this French RPG, but it does have a page on frwiki. BOZ (talk) 12:26, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@BOZ: I am not too optimistic here. The two inline citations in the French article are a Facebook page and what seems to be a crowd-funding page - so presumably not independent. The Le GROG page could be used to reference basic information, but it may not confer notability, as to my understanding the page aims to cover all role-playing games. This book, Jouer avec l’Histoire, sounds very promising. But it is not available on Google books to have a look. This paper says that "direct address to the reader makes it possible to single out the world and make the receiver feel its atmosphere ... This conversational writing also creates a bond with the narrator who provides us with the elements to play the game. gives the "keys" to the universe ... For these reasons, even in its written texts, the RPG carries the seeds of the orality that characterizes it, and which allows it to achieve this collective and dynamic fictional creation." with Maléfices being the example of an RPG which does this "direct address to the reader". Not sure if this is useable. Oh, wait, that's good: This book pages 253-255 does some significant discussion! If now we had one more... Daranios (talk) 14:23, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Hurray, found one: There is what I think is a critique or commentary on p. 37 of this French RPG magazine! Daranios (talk) 09:06, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

There is also commentary here, but I can only see a very limited preview, likely it's very short. Daranios (talk) 09:11, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Category:Easter in Germany

Thanks :) Care to comment here? Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_April_16#Category:Easter_traditions_by_country (which perhaps you've already seen?) _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@Piotrus: You overtook me there :-). I was just in the process of writing a comment at the deletion discussion when I saw your message here. Daranios (talk) 08:49, 16 April 2022 (UTC)