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Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category page with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria[edit]
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes[edit]
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This does not include changing the plurality of a noun when such the distinction between topic and set categories is uncertain.
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices[edit]
- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names[edit]
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name[edit]
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
C2E: Author request[edit]
- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous article[edit]
- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
Admin instructions[edit]
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions[edit]
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here[edit]
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
(The four ~ will sign and datestamp the entry automatically.)
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
*REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:
* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 16:22, 1 February 2022 (UTC). Currently, there are 162 open requests (. )
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Current requests[edit]
Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the relevant article (in case of C2D) or parent category (in case of C2C).
- Category:Films by year and country to Category:Films by country and year – C2A. 寒吉 (talk) 16:21, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Honorary Citizens of Nepal to Category:Honorary citizens of Nepal – C2A. Bada Kaji (talk • श्रीमान् गम्भीर) 15:05, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Pahang FA to Category:Sri Pahang FC – C2D per Sri Pahang FC. Admin note: delete new page at target name. – Fayenatic London 11:36, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Sparkle GMA Artist Center to Category:Sparkle (talent agency) – C2D: Per Sparkle (talent agency) Chompy Ace 04:40, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Humboldt State Lumberjacks men's basketball players to Category:Cal Poly Humboldt Lumberjacks men's basketball players – C2B: university has been renamed Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 22:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Humboldt State University alumni to Category:California State Polytechnic University, Humboldt alumni – C2A: university name has changed Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 22:09, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Humboldt State University people to Category:California State Polytechnic University, Humboldt people – C2A: University name changed Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 22:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Types of monuments and memorials to Category:Monuments and memorials by type – C2C, parent category is Category:Monuments and memorials. It just seems to me that these are duplicative. All members of the first should be automatically(?) or manually(?) put into the second, if they're not already there. Doncram (talk) 19:31, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy IMO C2C doesn't apply and it's also questionable whether they are duplicative. Although Category:Monuments and memorials by type should be probably be a subcategory of Category:Types of monuments and memorials. Armbrust The Homunculus 21:11, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Films about rabbits and hares to Category:Films about Leporidae – C2D, main article is at Leporidae (Rabbits and hares is a redirect) UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Animated films about rabbits and hares to Category:Animated films about Leporidae
- Oppose just picking out two subcategories of Category:Rabbits and hares, if the others are not renamed too. Armbrust The Homunculus 21:13, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Animated films about rabbits and hares to Category:Animated films about Leporidae
- Category:People from Little Berkhamstead to Category:People from Little Berkhamsted – C2D per Little Berkhamsted and the recently created Category:Little Berkhamsted. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:32, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:People from Essendon to Category:People from Essendon, Hertfordshire – C2D per Essendon, Hertfordshire and the recently creatd Category:Essendon, Hertfordshire, Essendon is ambiguous, there is also Category:People from Essendon, Victoria. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:15, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Buildings and structures in North Hertfordshire (district) to Category:Buildings and structures in North Hertfordshire District – C2C per Category:North Hertfordshire District. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:48, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Buildings and structures in East Hertfordshire (district) to Category:Buildings and structures in East Hertfordshire District – C2C per Category:East Hertfordshire District. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:46, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Buildings and structures in Ware to Category:Buildings and structures in Ware, Hertfordshire – C2C per Category:Ware, Hertfordshire and Ware, Hertfordshire, Ware lists other places which thus have buildings. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:44, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Opinion polling for United kingdom votes in the 2010s to Category:Opinion polling for United Kingdom votes in the 2010s – C2A correct capitalisation Keith D (talk) 17:39, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Washington Football Team to Category:Washington Commanders – C2D: consistency with the main article (the team just rebranded) –IagoQnsi (talk) 15:01, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Washington Football Team announcers to Category:Washington Commanders announcers
- Category:Washington Football Team lists to Category:Washington Commanders lists
- Category:Washington Football Team owners to Category:Washington Commanders owners
- Category:Washington Football Team personnel to Category:Washington Commanders personnel
- Category:Washington Football Team coaches to Category:Washington Commanders coaches
- Category:Washington Football Team head coaches to Category:Washington Commanders head coaches
- Category:Washington Football Team executives to Category:Washington Commanders executives
- Category:Washington Football Team scouts to Category:Washington Commanders scouts
- Category:Washington Football Team players to Category:Washington Commanders players
- Category:Washington Football Team postseason to Category:Washington Commanders postseason
- Category:Washington Football Team seasons to Category:Washington Commanders seasons
- Category:Washington Football Team season stubs to Category:Washington Commanders season stubs
- Category:Washington Football Team stadiums to Category:Washington Commanders stadiums
- Category:Washington Football Team templates to Category:Washington Commanders templates
- Category:Washington Football Team draft navigational boxes to Category:Washington Commanders draft navigational boxes
- Category:Landforms of Occitanie to Category:Landforms of Occitania – C2D: Talk:Occitania (administrative region) Heanor (talk) 11:08, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Populated places in Occitanie to Category:Populated places in Occitania – C2D: Talk:Occitania (administrative region) Heanor (talk) 11:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Commnet Are these categories related to Occitania or Occitania (administrative region). If the later than the categories should use "Occitania (administrative region)" and not just "Occitania". Armbrust The Homunculus 21:19, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Jim Crockett Sr. Memorial Cup Tag Team Tournament to Category:Crockett Cup – C2D: Per Crockett Cup.--Fixer88 (talk) 09:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Songs written by Oliver Leimbach to Category:Songs written by Oli Leimbach – C2D; page exists at Oli Leimbach. Sean Stephens (talk) 08:21, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Oli Leimbach is a redirect, so C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 21:26, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Sea vegetables to Category:Edible seaweeds – C2D: Article which this category refers is Edible seaweed; the title Sea vegetable is a redirect towards the aforementioned article. Steel1943 (talk) 06:40, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Graham Parker & The Rumour members to Category:The Rumour members – C2D: Per The Rumour.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 03:52, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:The New Power Generation to Category:New Power Generation – C2D: Per New Power Generation.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 03:39, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Kihō, Mie to Category:Kihō – see main Gryffindor (talk) 00:15, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Komono, Mie to Category:Komono – see main Gryffindor (talk) 00:15, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Ōdai, Mie to Category:Ōdai – see main Gryffindor (talk) 00:15, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Watarai, Mie to Category:Watarai – see main Gryffindor (talk) 00:15, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose This category, with only one article, should be upmerged per C2F instead of renamed. Armbrust The Homunculus 21:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- I only tagged the category now. @Gryffindor: if you are ok with upmerging we can do it via speedy.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:43, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Waitakere City F.C. players to Category:Waitakere City FC players – Reason GiantSnowman 22:45, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:2000 in internet culture to Category:2000 in Internet culture – C2C (consistency with similarly named categories: Category:1991 in Internet culture, Category:2000s in Internet culture, etc)--Russian Rocky (talk) 17:35, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:2001 in internet culture to Category:2001 in Internet culture
- Category:2002 in internet culture to Category:2002 in Internet culture
- Category:2003 in internet culture to Category:2003 in Internet culture
- Category:2004 in internet culture to Category:2004 in Internet culture
- Category:2005 in internet culture to Category:2005 in Internet culture
- Category:2006 in internet culture to Category:2006 in Internet culture
- Category:2007 in internet culture to Category:2007 in Internet culture
- Category:2008 in internet culture to Category:2008 in Internet culture
- Category:2009 in internet culture to Category:2009 in Internet culture
- Category:2010 in internet culture to Category:2010 in Internet culture
- Category:2011 in internet culture to Category:2011 in Internet culture
- Category:2012 in internet culture to Category:2012 in Internet culture
- Category:2013 in internet culture to Category:2013 in Internet culture
- Category:2014 in internet culture to Category:2014 in Internet culture
- Category:2015 in internet culture to Category:2015 in Internet culture
- Category:2016 in internet culture to Category:2016 in Internet culture
- Category:2017 in internet culture to Category:2017 in Internet culture
- Category:2018 in internet culture to Category:2018 in Internet culture
- Category:2019 in internet culture to Category:2019 in Internet culture
- Category:2020 in internet culture to Category:2020 in Internet culture
- Category:2021 in internet culture to Category:2021 in Internet culture
- Category:2022 in internet culture to Category:2022 in Internet culture
- Category:General Officer Commanding, Ceylon to Category:General Officers Commanding, Ceylon – C2A. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Candidates in the 2022 Philippine vice presidential election to Category:Candidates in the 2022 Philippine vice-presidential election – C2C following Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 November 7#Category:Vice-presidential candidates in the 2016 Philippine presidential election. I have processed the siblings under C2C despite the lack of full co-operation from User:Itsquietuptown.[1] [2] – Fayenatic London 15:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Indian Institute of Technology Kanpur faculty to Category:IIT Kanpur faculty – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 10:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Indian Institute of Technology Kanpur alumni to Category:IIT Kanpur alumni – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 10:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Indian Institute of Technology Kanpur people to Category:IIT Kanpur people – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 10:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Indian Institute of Technology Kanpur to Category:IIT Kanpur – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 10:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Merge Category:Television stations in Hampton, Virginia, Category:Television stations in Norfolk, Virginia, and Category:Television stations in Virginia Beach, Virginia to Category:Television stations in Hampton Roads – C2C, C2D. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 01:42, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy, this is not C2C, the parent category of Category:Television stations in Hampton, Virginia is Category:Hampton, Virginia, not Category:Hampton Roads. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- Let's just move this to full discussion, OK? Mvcg66b3r (talk) 20:10, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- Sure. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 19#Category:Television stations in the Hampton Roads market might be relevant to this. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Baylor Bears and Lady Bears to Category:Baylor Bears – C2B/C2D. Baylor University's sports teams were known by gender identifiers as "Lady Bears" and "Bears" up until September 2021, at which time the school removed the Lady so that all teams became simply known as "Bears". SportsGuy789 (talk) 05:54, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Baylor Bears and Lady Bears athletes to Category:Baylor Bears athletes
- Category:Baylor Bears and Lady Bears athletic directors to Category:Baylor Bears athletic directors
- Category:Baylor Bears and Lady Bears coaches to Category:Baylor Bears coaches
- Category:Baylor Bears and Lady Bears seasons to Category:Baylor Bears seasons
- Category:Baylor Bears and Lady Bears navigational boxes to Category:Baylor Bears navigational boxes
- Category:Baylor Bears basketball coaches to Category:Baylor Bears men's basketball coaches
- Category:Baylor Bears basketball navigational boxes to Category:Baylor Bears men's basketball navigational boxes
- Category:Baylor Bears basketball players to Category:Baylor Bears men's basketball players
- Category:Baylor Bears basketball seasons to Category:Baylor Bears men's basketball seasons
- Category:Baylor Bears and Lady Bears basketball venues to Category:Baylor Bears basketball venues
- Category:Baylor Lady Bears basketball coaches to Category:Baylor Bears women's basketball coaches
- Category:Baylor Lady Bears basketball navigational boxes to Category:Baylor Bears women's basketball navigational boxes
- Category:Baylor Lady Bears basketball players to Category:Baylor Bears women's basketball players
- Category:Baylor Lady Bears basketball seasons to Category:Baylor Bears women's basketball seasons
- Category:Baylor Bears golf to Category:Baylor Bears men's golf
- Category:Baylor Bears golfers to Category:Baylor Bears men's golfers
- Category:Baylor Lady Bears golf to Category:Baylor Bears women's golf
- Category:Baylor Lady Bears golfers to Category:Baylor Bears women's golfers
- Category:Baylor Lady Bears gymnastics to Category:Baylor Bears women's gymnastics
- Category:Baylor Lady Bears gymnasts to Category:Baylor Bears women's gymnasts
- Category:Baylor Lady Bears softball to Category:Baylor Bears softball
- Category:Baylor Lady Bears softball coaches to Category:Baylor Bears softball coaches
- Category:Baylor Bears tennis to Category:Baylor Bears men's tennis
- Category:Baylor Bears tennis coaches to Category:Baylor Bears men's tennis coaches
- Category:Baylor Bears tennis players to Category:Baylor Bears men's tennis players
- Category:Baylor Lady Bears tennis to Category:Baylor Bears women's tennis
- Category:Baylor Lady Bears tennis players to Category:Baylor Bears women's tennis players
- Category:Baylor Bears track and field athletes to Category:Baylor Bears men's track and field athletes
- Category:Baylor Lady Bears track and field athletes to Category:Baylor Bears women's track and field athletes
- Category:Baylor Lady Bears soccer players to Category:Baylor Bears women's soccer players
- Category:Baylor Lady Bears volleyball to Category:Baylor Bears women's volleyball
- Category:Baylor Lady Bears volleyball coaches to Category:Baylor Bears women's volleyball coaches
- This request was previously opposed and moved to opposed. What happened? Is it not opposed anymore?--Ymblanter (talk) 06:40, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I accidentally removed my closing rationale from below. The objection was to the speedy splits and deletes; there were no objections in 7 days for the renames, which clearly match their similar categories and should be renamed. So I moved the renames back. The splits and deletes were all empty, so I just deleted those after 7 days. If you object, we can move them back, but I am certain these renames match the templates of all other similar categories.--Mike Selinker (talk) 07:42, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- I see, thanks. Let us wait for 48h for safety and then, if there are no objections forthcoming, I will process these.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:41, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Sounds great. Thanks!--Mike Selinker (talk) 07:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- I see, thanks. Let us wait for 48h for safety and then, if there are no objections forthcoming, I will process these.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:41, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I accidentally removed my closing rationale from below. The objection was to the speedy splits and deletes; there were no objections in 7 days for the renames, which clearly match their similar categories and should be renamed. So I moved the renames back. The splits and deletes were all empty, so I just deleted those after 7 days. If you object, we can move them back, but I am certain these renames match the templates of all other similar categories.--Mike Selinker (talk) 07:42, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- This request was previously opposed and moved to opposed. What happened? Is it not opposed anymore?--Ymblanter (talk) 06:40, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Opposed requests[edit]
- Category:National Taiwan University organizations to Category:National Taiwan Normal University organizations – C2E. Rathfelder (talk) 23:52, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:National Taiwan University to Category:National Taiwan Normal University – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 23:51, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:National Taiwan University people to Category:National Taiwan Normal University people – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 23:51, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Presidents of National Taiwan University to Category:Presidents of National Taiwan Normal University – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 23:49, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:National Taiwan University faculty to Category:National Taiwan Normal University faculty – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 23:48, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Rathfelder: this set was partly processed, but I think I have undone it all. Please explain your rationale. National Taiwan University appears to be a different institution from National Taiwan Normal University. Also, your C2E rationale appears to be completely mistaken. – Fayenatic London 14:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Apologies - I think you are right - they are two different universities. I withdraw these. Rathfelder (talk) 21:18, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Rathfelder: this set was partly processed, but I think I have undone it all. Please explain your rationale. National Taiwan University appears to be a different institution from National Taiwan Normal University. Also, your C2E rationale appears to be completely mistaken. – Fayenatic London 14:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Yale University 2000s(Decade) alumni to Category:Yale University 2000s(decade) alumni – C2A: Uncapitalize "decade" MrMeAndMrMeContributions 19:13, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Yale University 1900s(Decade) alumni to Category:Yale University 1900s(decade) alumni – C2A: Uncapitalize "decade" MrMeAndMrMeContributions 19:12, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Yale University 1800s(Decade) alumni to Category:Yale University 1800s(decade) alumni – C2A: Uncapitalize "decade" MrMeAndMrMeContributions 19:11, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- Decade should be omitted altogether: cf Category:1800s, Category:1800s novels etc. We have Category:19th century for the century. Oculi (talk) 20:48, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- On further thoughts the idea of splitting alumni by decade is a bad one (no precedents that I can find) and these should be deleted/upmerged along with the other decade ones. Oculi (talk) 23:49, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose all Yale cats and delete / upmerge – these should be deleted and upmerged; no consensus to split educational alumni by decades (makes it unnecessarily difficult to group similar people) SportsGuy789 (talk) 06:12, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
- Upmerge per above. Categorizing by decade seems like unneeded overcategorization. --Kinu t/c 04:26, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Bridesburg-Kensington-Richmond, Philadelphia to Category:River Wards, Philadelphia – Reason:WP:C2D (River Wards, Philadelphia) Dotdh15 (talk) 18:31, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Only recently renamed and without discussion. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:52, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Persian poets to Category:Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 12:03, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:20th-century Persian poets to Category:20th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 12:02, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:19th-century Persian poets to Category:19th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 12:01, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:18th-century Persian painters to Category:18th-century Iranian painters – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 12:01, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:17th-century Persian poets to Category:17th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 12:00, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:15th-century Persian writers to Category:15th-century Iranian writers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:57, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:14th-century Persian writers to Category:14th-century Iranian writers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:57, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:7th-century Persian physicians to Category:7th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:56, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:8th-century Persian physicians to Category:8th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:55, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:9th-century Persian physicians to Category:9th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:55, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:10th-century Persian physicians to Category:10th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:54, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:16th-century Persian physicians to Category:16th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:53, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:17th-century Persian physicians to Category:17th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:52, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:18th-century Persian physicians to Category:18th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:51, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:16th-century Persian mathematicians to Category:16th-century Iranian mathematicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:51, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:19th-century Persian physicians to Category:19th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:50, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Persian physicians by century to Category:Iranian physicians by century – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:49, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:15th-century Persian physicians to Category:15th-century Iranian physicians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:49, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:16th-century Persian poets to Category:16th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:48, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:15th-century Persian poets to Category:15th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:47, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:14th-century Persian poets to Category:14th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:47, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:13th-century Persian poets to Category:13th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:46, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:12th-century Persian poets to Category:12th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:46, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Persian poets to Category:3th-century Iranian writers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:45, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:13th-century Persian writers to Category:3th-century Iranian writers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:45, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:12th-century Persian writers to Category:12th-century Iranian writers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:44, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:11th-century Persian poets to Category:11th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:43, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:11th-century Persian writers to Category:11th-century Iranian writers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:43, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:10th-century Persian poets to Category:10th-century Iranian poets – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:42, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:10th-century Persian writers to Category:10th-century Iranian writers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:42, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Persian writers to Category:Medieval Iranian writers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:41, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Persian philosophers to Category:Medieval Iranian philosophers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:40, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Persian librarians to Category:Medieval Iranian librarians – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:40, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Persian astrologers to Category:Medieval Iranian astrologers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:39, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Persian people by occupation to Category:Medieval Iranian people by occupation – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:38, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Persian geographers to Category:Medieval Iranian geographers – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 11:38, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- These look to me like they deserve discussion. Iran mostly didn't exist as such in the times of most of these cat contents, and "Persian" is a conventional way to refer to the culture and people of the region in older times. Dicklyon (talk) 01:33, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- We have just renamed a whole load of other mediaeval Persian/Iranian categories speedily, on the advice of @HistoryofIran:. Could we do these speedily and then have a wider discussion if necessary, not just confined to these categories? Otherwise we have a mess. Rathfelder (talk) 14:44, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- These look to me like they deserve discussion. Iran mostly didn't exist as such in the times of most of these cat contents, and "Persian" is a conventional way to refer to the culture and people of the region in older times. Dicklyon (talk) 01:33, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Yep. Sorry, but that is inaccurate. Scholars routinely use the word Iran(ian) when talking about the country and its people during those centuries. The name of Iran was in usage of at least as early as 224 when the Sasanian Empire was founded, and medieval native writers often use the name Iran as well. "Persian" is not a conventional way to refer to the culture and people at all, since a vast amount of its inhabitants were not of Persian stock, but part of other Iranian groups, such as the Daylamites, Parthians etc. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:44, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Just a comment that Category:16th-century Persian mathematicians has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 02:15, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
- These categories have been moved see here and here within the 48 hr period by User:JJMC89 bot III. Cinderella157 (talk) 05:33, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Full discussion is in order, since nobody can point to any consensus or prior discussion about these changes. Dicklyon (talk) 16:37, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
- I'm no expert on the subject, but my impression is that Persia has been the more common term used up to at least 1935, when Reza Shah issued a declaration to change it (which was apparently reversed to some extent in 1959). The article about Hafez calls him a Persian poet, not an Iranian one. The same is true for Ferdowsi and Omar Khayyam. There's a whole article about the Name of Iran, and it's also discussed in the lead section of the Iran article, and there's a whole section called "Replacement of Persia with Iran" in the Reza Shah article. It doesn't seem entirely uncontroversial. I don't really know whether scholars have typically been applying the name change retroactively. (It's true that the other name did also exist before 1935.) — BarrelProof (talk) 22:45, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
- Your impression about the 1935 bit completely correct, that was the case back then. However, nowadays, English scholarship mostly use the term 'Iran(ian)' when referring to the country pre-1925 as its more accurate. As for Hafez etc, that's because it was certain that they were of actual Persian stock, something which can sometimes be hard to discern since primary sources often mixed Persians up with other Iranian groups. The thing is however, a lot of historical Iranian figures, be it writers, generals (Asfar ibn Shiruya, Surena), or rulers (Parthian Empire, Buyid dynasty), were of Iranian, but certainly not Persian stock. Referring all those figures as 'Persian' would be like, er, calling a Kurd or Pashtun for a Persian. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:02, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Full discussion is in order. We would be governed by usage in independent English language sources. If Iran is the predominant contemporary usage, not just for present day Iran but for the region in historical contexts (other than ancient Persia, then we would probably not be seeing the result we do in this n-gram. Cinderella157 (talk) 05:15, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Not really the best comparison, considering "Persian" refers to the language as well. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:04, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- Certainly needs a full discussion. Especially in the case of the literary figures, where "Persian" refers to the language not the nationality - the first one I look at is Bangladeshi - Muhammad Faizullah. Please someone kindly ping me when the discussion opens. Johnbod (talk) 05:08, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- For writers, a rename to "Persian-language" might be an alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Rathfelder: are you planning to move this to full discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 09:56, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Part of the above categories have now been nominated for full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Persian poets to Category:Iranian poets – The category currently includes non-Iranian poets who has written in Persian and seemingly refers to Persian language poets, the corresponding page in Persian Wikipedia also categorizes them as Persian language poets. (examples of the said poets, includes: Abdul Rahim Khan-i-Khanan, Indian, Mir Ali Sher Qaune Thattvi, Indian, Hidir Lutfi, Turkish, Gulrukhsor Safieva, Tajikistani.)Khenamothara (talk) 07:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion[edit]
- None currently
Moved to full discussion[edit]
- Category:Films based on theme-park attractions to Category:Films based on theme park attractions – C2A: "theme park" should not be hyphenated. -- 2pou (talk) 21:30, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Main article is at Amusement park, cat should be Category:Films based on amusement park attractions. UnitedStatesian (talk) 00:06, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
- I have no objection to this alternate proposal. Does it still qualify for a speedy rename, or does it now need a full CfD nom? -2pou (talk) 17:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- It is safer to go to a full discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:42, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
- Moved to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 January 24#Category:Films based on theme-park attractions. -2pou (talk) 20:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
- It is safer to go to a full discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:42, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
- I have no objection to this alternate proposal. Does it still qualify for a speedy rename, or does it now need a full CfD nom? -2pou (talk) 17:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Main article is at Amusement park, cat should be Category:Films based on amusement park attractions. UnitedStatesian (talk) 00:06, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Dark ages to Category:Dark Ages – C2A. Brandmeistertalk 13:37, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Brandmeister a full discussion might be better to establish whether dark ages is a proper noun per WP:NCCAPS. The category had Dark Ages (historiography) linked with a cat main template, but I changed the link to cat more as the article focuses on one Dark Age. TSventon (talk) 13:57, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- I've changed the target to Dark Ages (historiography) per C2D, though the parenthetical disambiguation may be hypercorrect. Brandmeistertalk 14:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- I still think a full discussion would be useful. "Dark Ages (historiography)" is about the use of Dark Ages to describe the Early Middle Ages, which is only one part of this category. TSventon (talk) 14:22, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- I wouldn't mind in that case. Brandmeistertalk 15:11, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. TSventon (talk) 20:44, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- I wouldn't mind in that case. Brandmeistertalk 15:11, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- I still think a full discussion would be useful. "Dark Ages (historiography)" is about the use of Dark Ages to describe the Early Middle Ages, which is only one part of this category. TSventon (talk) 14:22, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- I've changed the target to Dark Ages (historiography) per C2D, though the parenthetical disambiguation may be hypercorrect. Brandmeistertalk 14:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Resovia Rzeszów coaches to Category:Resovia (volleyball) coaches – C2A: Pleonasm, same reason as Category:Resovia (volleyball) players. Maister1921 (talk) 14:27, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – It would make more sense as Category:Resovia volleyball coaches; same with the other. And C2A doesn't seem like a plausible reason. Probably a discussion is in order. Dicklyon (talk) 16:17, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Dicklyon: would you object to C2D per Resovia (volleyball)? – Fayenatic London 08:39, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, still object. This category does not have a main article, so C2D does not apply. Why not go with Category:Resovia volleyball coaches and Category:Resovia volleyball players? Dicklyon (talk) 16:26, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- C2D states "This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team" and therefore it does indeed also apply to coaches, managers etc. – Fayenatic London 19:09, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, yes. In that case, Coaches for Resovia (volleyball) and Players for Resovia (volleyball) would seem appropriate. I don't think the parenthetical disambiguator in the middle of a title is a good thing (even if you find precedent for it). Dicklyon (talk) 20:14, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- Now at full discussion. – Fayenatic London 10:39, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, yes. In that case, Coaches for Resovia (volleyball) and Players for Resovia (volleyball) would seem appropriate. I don't think the parenthetical disambiguator in the middle of a title is a good thing (even if you find precedent for it). Dicklyon (talk) 20:14, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- C2D states "This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team" and therefore it does indeed also apply to coaches, managers etc. – Fayenatic London 19:09, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, still object. This category does not have a main article, so C2D does not apply. Why not go with Category:Resovia volleyball coaches and Category:Resovia volleyball players? Dicklyon (talk) 16:26, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Dicklyon: would you object to C2D per Resovia (volleyball)? – Fayenatic London 08:39, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – It would make more sense as Category:Resovia volleyball coaches; same with the other. And C2A doesn't seem like a plausible reason. Probably a discussion is in order. Dicklyon (talk) 16:17, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
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