Talk:James Deen

Warnings in regard to NPOV violations for BLP

Certain allegations against him have some weight, others are dubious at best such as Farrah Abraham's unusual allegations. Regardless we do not presume guilt here unless proven. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 19:29, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Tweets to/from Lorde

User:Morbidthoughts removed Special:Diff/723081368 on the grounds that it violates WP:BLP. I am unclear on what part of the BLP policy is violated; I can attempt to guess by the rather imprecise edit summary that it was either related to WP:BLPSOURCES, WP:BLPPRIMARY, or WP:BLPSPS. With regards to the first, I hope that it is not under question that Lorde did post the tweet in question, and then deleted it. If it were, then a serious reconsideration of either Twitter or the Wayback Archive as sources would be necessary. With regards to the second, it refers to WP:PRIMARY, which states that "A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. For example, an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source. Do not analyze, evaluate, interpret, or synthesize material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so.". The wording I selected deliberately does not make any comment on why she may have deleted her tweet. The facts are: he sent her a tweet, she tweeted back, he tweeted back, she deleted her tweet at some point. These are easily verifiable from the sources provided. I did not, for example, state that "she has since withdrawn her support of Deen" or anything of the like. The third explicitly does not preclude the present content, since the material is in fact "written or published by the subject". It does not even violate WP:SYNTH, which was not linked from the edit summary, since it is not really two sources that are being linked, it is one source: Twitter, where she deleted a tweet to James Deen. The rest is only necessary for context. Therefore, I would ask that User:Morbidthoughts clarify the policies that are being referred to and the specific grounds for removal. ⁓ Hello71 02:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

The policy is that those tweets are self-published claims about third parties per WP:BLPSELFPUB. Further what good is a deleted tweet when you cannot properly verify them if they are not archived anywhere? Morbidthoughts (talk) 03:02, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

1. What claim, exactly, is being made about a third party? 2. "not archived anywhere" what the arse are you on about? You don't even need to do any work; literally just click the links conveniently provided in "archiveurl". ⁓ Hello71 12:44, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

They are third parties to each other. Those tweets just demonstrate that they at one point thought each other were "fucking awesome". Any interpretation beyond that is original research. 2. The second archive link didn't work which threw me off on what it was trying to prove. 3. Further, how does a twitter conversation satisfy WP:UNDUE? Do we start documenting every twitter celebrity conversation that gets redacted without independent sourcing to demonstrate its notability? Morbidthoughts (talk) 15:24, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

I continue to disagree, but do not feel strongly enough to personally push for the material's inclusion. ⁓ Hello71 00:52, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

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Continued career

It should be mentioned that although most studios don't book him anymore because of the rape allegations, he still works with very many well-known performers on his own film productions and websites. As he himself stated, he does not work anymore in California. --SamWinchester000 (talk) 01:28, 4 March 2018 (UTC)