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I would have never expected that this post would have so many answers. Thank you all it really confirms what I thought. I also asked a couple of friends about that and they all say the same, stand firm if they are not happy with what you are asking and you are not longing for that job just keep hunting. Apparently, I was wrong it is not specific to Canada, some of my friends also got that in Europe, I believe I was lucky enough until now to never have heard of such a cheap excuse.

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This is an answer I got quite often since I am on Canada job market (never had that back in Europe...) when I am asking for more (salary-wise) especially due the very low packages that they can propose at first not that good (to not say terrible) and since I usually ace the technical interviews, show my professional background which reflects a good sense of adaptation and also what I can practically bring to the company in terms of improvements, I was expected that I could negotiate a bit my package but except the number of annual leaves, the rest not so much...

90 percent of the time I get the answer as follows: "Sorry we really cannot do that, you have to understand that this can lead to a terrible situation where your co-workers are going to be jealous of you and destroy or break the harmony within the team." This also the case when I show them that I got a better offer somewhere else (but still really cheap). I tried different types of counter attack:

  • Don't you think that increasing the number of annual leaves is equally shocking for my future coworkers?
  • Out of curiosity, the package I have is not supposed to be at my entire discretion? How come my work colleagues are supposed to know about my package...?
  • Do you purposely hire puerile personalities (it was not really phrased like that but that was the gist) cause the recruiter was saying that he is currently facing jealousy issue and it was really hard for him to handle the situation... (honestly, I feel it would be hard whenever you hire someone who is not trustworthy)
  • One harsh but sadly true: in my past experience sometimes for the same position, we got till 5k euro annual difference, it didn't really bother anybody we were helping each other and working together... so can you tell me what the actual reason is?

I confess that there are not the best options but haven't found a way out to change their minds when they come up with this excuse (cause I do believe it's just a "little" white lie to keep the package as low as possible, ...or... or this actually the case and there is something here in Canada that I don't really get)

Any idea?

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Isn't it obvious? If you can't negotiate a higher wage and you aren't happy you don't take the job... – Martin Dawson 21 hours ago
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Most of the time, this is a really cheap negotiating tactic – Magisch 21 hours ago
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@Martin Dawson I never had this sort of made up excuse before, was wondering if there was a workaround... And curiously it only happened since I landed in Canada never ever had before in Europe, and this redundant to about 10 job offers so I was wondering what was going on... I think it's legit – Ehouarn 21 hours ago
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Tell them you are perfectly ok if they raise your coworkers salary so they are in line with yours and "harmony within the team" is preveserved. Equality can be achieved either at the bottom or at the top... – SJuan76 21 hours ago
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You want me? You pay me! There's really nothing more to add there, unless you really want that job so bad that you're ready to negotiate. Their argument is a poor one, if they hire jealous people, or people that can't negotiate, that's their problem, not yours. – Laurent S. 18 hours ago
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It's not really up to you to solve that problem for them, it may not even be true and they are just using it as a negotiating tactic.

As far as negotiating a better salary is concerned the only leverage you really have is that you are prepared to walk away because you have other options. So if they come back and say that you need to say, sorry, as much as i think i am a great fit for the role, given my skills and experience I think that my time is worth X amount and given the market I know that is achievable for me.

If they really want you they will come back with a counter offer, otherwise be prepared to seek another opportunity. This may not apply to government jobs because they might actually be dealing with an inflexible pay scale.

If you really want the job then maybe you could suggest things in lieu of salary, such as extra paid time off or other benefits.

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Sorry we really cannot do that, you have understand that this can lead to a terrible situation where your co-workers are going to be jealous of you and destroy or break the harmony within the team

Most of the time, this is a (really cheap) negotiating tactic. But you don't have to fall for it. Understand that the leverage you have in such a negotiation is to either take the final offer or not. And if you don't, just don't take the job. There is really no reason to justify yourself, you need to know what you want and be prepared to walk away if they don't offer it.

If the company really wants you suddenly all these excuses will disappear and they'll offer a decent salary.

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It's a really silly tactic too, since it just reveals that they A) underpay others and B) don't intend to correct the situation. – Brian Knoblauch 11 hours ago

Just as you should never use your coworkers' salaries as the reason why you should get more, a recruiter should not use your potential coworkers' salaries as the reason why you should get less. What you are worth depends on you - not on what others make.

Unfortunately, this happens often.

It makes no sense to argue the point with the recruiter, or to try and dig up statistics, etc.

You should tell the recruiter that you really don't want to know what others make but that you know what you are worth and the value you would bring to the company. You could choose to negotiate other parts of the offer package (benefits, vacation, bonuses, stock options, etc), or you could just concentrate on salary.

And if the company doesn't want to meet the salary level that you feel you deserve, you move on in your job search and find a company that will.

It doesn't matter why this company won't meet your salary demands if some other company can and will.

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How to negotiate a better salary in a job offer when the recruiter says that he or she does not want to create a salary imbalance within the company

You apply for a job at a different company.

Their answer tells you several things about the company, none which bode well for you.

  1. They are not willing to compensate for performance. It is more important to maintain "fairness" whatever that means.
  2. Do they care if you have higher bills than your peers? (No, they don't.) So, why should you care if you will be getting paid $x more than your peers? (You don't.)
  3. They are not willing to be competitive in a free market. They'd rather underpay and lose talent, than to pay justly and retain talent.

In essence, while it is understandable to maintain an equitable pay scale--it would be odd for a junior to make more than a senior--it is not really your problem. It is up to the market to decide your salary, commensurate with your experience, performance, and capabilities; not the compensation of your immediate peers.

"Sorry we really cannot do that, you have understand that this can lead to a terrible situation where your co-workers are going to be jealous of you and destroy or break the harmony within the team"

This is a really stupid excuse.

  1. Pay is almost always treated as confidential. So how do they suppose other employees know other employees salaries?
  2. It is HR's job to manage that confidentiality (so it's not your problem, sans the duty you have to keep your mouth shut). So if there is a problem with salaries getting discussed, then HR is failing at their job.

In conclusion, you'll have an easier time finding another job that will pay you justly, than to convince them to pay you more than your peers when they've already indicated an unwillingness to do that.

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Note that the second half of your answer may not apply everywhere. In the U.S. it is generally illegal for a company to stop discussion of wages. One source: govdocs.com/can-employees-discuss-pay-salaries – Joshua Drake 14 hours ago
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This is good additional info. In my experience though, regardless of the legality, discussing pay is almost always frowned upon. But as you've pointed out, the legality and the definition of "confidential" is a different matter. – TechMedicNYC 14 hours ago
    
@JoshuaDrake's point is true in the UK too. Reference: acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1811 – AndyT 13 hours ago
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It may be illegal to stop you from discussing wages, but if the company doesn't want to give you more because it would cause an imbalance, and then you convince them otherwise against their concerns, then you would be expected to be quiet about it. – gnasher729 11 hours ago

There are two acceptable reasons to offer a low salary: One, if they feel you are not worth more. Two, if they have no money. Of course the company being short of cash is a good reason to search for a job elsewhere, but as a reason it is acceptable.

"Your colleagues might be jealous" is nonsense. You say "I fully understand this, so I will definitely not tell anybody what my salary is". Problem gone away.

I'll tell you where your advantage lies: $1000 more or less is $1000 more in your pocket (after taxes). $1000 more or less doesn't make a difference to the recruiter, because it's not his or her money. He or she may get a bonus at the end of the year, but that bonus is nothing compared to the money you win or lose.

On the other hand, if you walk away, that's a lot of additional work for the recruiter. And it's unpleasant for the recruiter if your prospective manager really liked you and then finds out that the recruiter messed it up. If your manager needed help urgently and then has to wait two more months, that's not good for the recruiter.

So in that situation, you need to show confidence that you are worth more than offered, and that you will not accept what is offered. Remember, to the recruiter it's at most a tiny advantage if he or she hires you cheaply, and a big problem if you walk away at that stage.

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This might be a real issue for the company making the offer.

However "salary imbalances" exist only be workers at the same level (usually VPs make more than Directors who make more than Managers, etc).

So, the solution would be to be placed at a different level or given a specialist title that is distinct from the lesser co-paid workers.

This strategy will likely only work if it is clear that you're worth the extra money.

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